openmine:
Am actually shocked by the reactions that an "allegation" is generating esp from well educated celebrities who should know that one is innocent until the person is pronounced guilty!

Same happened to Star actor Steven seagal who was accused last year by a lady to have sexually abused her 30 years ago....ofcourse steven seagal denied it and the story has died a natural death since then!

The worse is the daughter who should have kept silent rather than saying what she doesn't know simply because of the hatred she has for her father as seen in the post!

I still remember a picture message I saw some years ago about a football player who was accused of sexually assaulting a lady and was jailed!
After 12 years,this same lady goes to court asking the judge to drop the charges and acquit the football player!
Her reason was that she had lied all this time and the player never raped her!
You can imagine how the guy felt after spending 12 years in prison for a crime that he never committed!

I am not in any way trying to condone sexual abuse from anyone....however,we must be very careful how we react to accusations from rape victims....Let the court do their job!

Martinez19:
Xisnin, I hope you can see this? I am sure that before that man went to jail, the theatrical emotional display by the women were believed by id1ots like Xisnin. I even know of a similar case but the man spent 6 years in jail.

#innocentuntilprovenguilty

Court cannot handle most cases, that doesn't mean that rapist have to go scot free.
I had a friend I will never lend money again because of past experience.
Guess what?
He is neither a fraudster or thief in the eyes of the court even though he never paid
back as he promised. The court doesn't even know he exists. That doesn't mean he is to be trusted.

I am sure there are hundreds of "innocent" people in jail for fraud, robbery or
even murder but you won't find a single soul defending a regular robber, ritualist or murderer
with "false accusation" excuse when they get reported in the news even though it is possible
that they are falsely being accused.


But in case of rape, certain people get worked up because false accusation cases exist.
These same people will agree when you name certain politicians and call them corrupt
without evidence but would be quick to ask for "concrete" evidence when a rape victim come forward.

When the Catholic church was embroiled is sex abuse scandals, I didn't see the pro-rapist group
demand for solid evidence from the young boys who were victims.

If we use the standard of criminal evidence, the Catholic priest actually did nothing wrong
because the altar boys didn't have "evidence" to prove their case just testimonies.

When last did you ask for evidence when a politician in the other camp is reported stolen in the papers?
Did you create several posts talking about innocent until proven guilty?
Chances are that you automatically call for their head and berated those who doubt the charges.

You can now see that you don't really believe in innocence until proven, you are just saving your own head.

Xisnin:




Court cannot handle most cases, that doesn't mean that rapist have to go scot free.
I had a friend I will never lend money again because of past experience.
Guess what?
He is neither a fraudster or thief in the eyes of the court even though he never paid
back as he promised. The court doesn't even know he exists. That doesn't mean he is to be trusted.

I am sure there are hundreds of "innocent" people in jail for fraud, robbery or
even murder but you won't find a single soul defending a regular robber, ritualist or murderer
with "false accusation" excuse when they get reported in the news even though it is possible
that they are falsely being accused.


But in case of rape, certain people get worked up because false accusation cases exist.
These same people will agree when you name certain politicians and call them corrupt
without evidence but would be quick to ask for "concrete" evidence when a rape victim come forward.

When the Catholic church was embroiled is sex abuse scandals, I didn't see the pro-rapist group
demand for solid evidence from the young boys who were victims.

If we use the standard of criminal evidence, the Catholic priest actually did nothing wrong
because the altar boys didn't have "evidence" to prove their case just testimonies.

When last did you ask for evidence when a politician in the other camp is reported stolen in the papers?
Did you create several posts talking about innocent until proven guilty?
Chances are that you automatically call for their head and berated those who doubt the charges.

You can now see that you don't really believe in innocence until proven, you are just saving your own head.

So you are saying that we should just believe the women? You are still emotional and writing trash. What concerns me with double standard people? Didn't I say that the court ASSUMES an accused innocent until proven guilty? Fail judicial system or not, every accused is to be assumed innocent until proven guilty? Mtewwwww.

#innocentuntilprovenguilty

deleo16:
Exactly I agree with if u have evidence why not take him court if found guilty let the court sentence him .simple and stop all the video series they are doing I am not surprise there is a war against boys it started years ago most of this movement have been hijacked read the book below u will understand what's relly going on

Do you have the book? Can you please share it with me?

[quote author=Mizwisdom post=74693791][/quote]
oh man lol. this was a fatal attack. the olosho was attacked till the olsho with smelling pussy started editing my post lol

[quote author=Martinez19 post=74694129] So you are saying that we should just believe the women? You are still emotional and writing trash. What concerns me with double standard people?

Didn't I say that the court ASSUMES an accused innocent until proven guilty?

Whatever you say is immaterial, the court already assumes that a suspect is innocent.

However, the people are not the court and are free to assume that R. Kelly is a monster
and sexual predator based on several testimonies against him.

Is it so hard to understand that people are different from the court?

#innocentuntilprovenguilty

You sound ignorant with this post. Every sane person already knows that the court
assumes innocence, so what is your point?

Xisnin:
However, the people are not the court and are free to assume that R. Kelly is a monster
and sexual predator based on several testimonies against him.

Is it so hard to understand that people are different from the court?

Does that make their assumption true? No it doesn't. Court or no court, the best logical position to assume, in the event of mere allegations, is assuming the accused to be innocent until proven guilty. That's common sense. You are still writing trash!

Xisnin:




Court cannot handle most cases, that doesn't mean that rapist have to go scot free.
I had a friend I will never lend money again because of past experience.
Guess what?
He is neither a fraudster or thief in the eyes of the court even though he never paid
back as he promised. The court doesn't even know he exists. That doesn't mean he is to be trusted.

I am sure there are hundreds of "innocent" people in jail for fraud, robbery or
even murder but you won't find a single soul defending a regular robber, ritualist or murderer
with "false accusation" excuse when they get reported in the news even though it is possible
that they are falsely being accused.


But in case of rape, certain people get worked up because false accusation cases exist.
These same people will agree when you name certain politicians and call them corrupt
without evidence but would be quick to ask for "concrete" evidence when a rape victim come forward.

When the Catholic church was embroiled is sex abuse scandals, I didn't see the pro-rapist group
demand for solid evidence from the young boys who were victims.

If we use the standard of criminal evidence, the Catholic priest actually did nothing wrong
because the altar boys didn't have "evidence" to prove their case just testimonies.

When last did you ask for evidence when a politician in the other camp is reported stolen in the papers?
Did you create several posts talking about innocent until proven guilty?
Chances are that you automatically call for their head and berated those who doubt the charges.

You can now see that you don't really believe in innocence until proven, you are just saving your own head.

My point still stands!
Unless you are saying you dont trust the legal system to do what is required which is rather unfortunate!
The instance i have raised is just little compared to what many have faced for false accusations and R.kelly is no exception to that unless you have substantial evidence to prove otherwise!

Question:Do you have any other evidence aside the testimony of the accuser against R kelly?
If you don't have any,i urge you to take a sit as an observer and keep a neutral stance!

You don't expect the court to give a verdict based on hearsay or confession from just any one based on emotions....If that happens,then no man is safe in this world!

Let the court,despite the trust deficiency you have for them,do what they were appointed to do...we are not in a stone age where people are declared guilty by just mere accusations or speculations from anyone!

dasparrow:


Make sure you never get married to a woman because the very day you do, you will die. Mark my words and this date.

When you nor be God?
Na why God nor fit be man na.
Like say you fit create one strand of hair of a person.

An intelligent person would have understood what i meant by 'Fear women', As regards the post i quoted my response to.

But your dumbass choose to swear and curse and say shivts.

I nor go curse you back oo, but sha know say, whatever decline, setback, frustration, downfall, deaths, and enventual annihilation you and your family would face henceforth is, was and will be your fault forever.

Mark my words and this date!!!

calberian:
I'd rather just show you. I'll take my time though

I am waiting

Martinez19:
So you are saying that we should just believe the women? You are still emotional and writing trash. What concerns me with double standard people? Didn't I say that the court ASSUMES an accused innocent until proven guilty? Fail judicial system or not, every accused is to be assumed innocent until proven guilty? Mtewwwww.

#innocentuntilprovenguilty

what I learned about such cases it that it is usually a case of my word against yours, there is no need for proof, if the court believe the victims then the accused will go to jail. If they believe the accused then he is free.

A similar thing happened with Catholic priests in America, if the court believe the alleged victims then it is all over, they don't need proof.

openmine:


My point still stands!
Unless you are saying you dont trust the legal system to do what is required which is rather unfortunate!
The instance i have raised is just little compared to what many have faced for false accusations and R.kelly is no exception to that unless you have substantial evidence to prove otherwise!

Question:Do you have any other evidence aside the testimony of the accuser against R kelly?
If you don't have any,i urge you to take a sit as an observer and keep a neutral stance!

You don't expect the court to give a verdict based on hearsay or confession from just any one based on emotions....If that happens,then no man is safe in this world!

Let the court,despite the trust deficiency you have for them,do what they were appointed to do...we are not in a stone age where people are declared guilty by just mere accusations or speculations from anyone!

in cases of historic abuse the court doesn't need evidence for conviction, word of mouth alone is enough

Ubenedictus:
what I learned about such cases it that it is usually a case of my word against yours, there is no need for proof, if the court believe the victims then the accused will go to jail. If they believe the accused then he is free.

A similar thing happened with Catholic priests in America, if the court believe the alleged victims then it is all over, they don't need proof.

If a court believes and convicts without proof then it has failed. It still remains, and it is legally demanded, that every accused be assumed innocent until proven guilty.

Ubenedictus:
in cases of historic abuse the court doesn't need evidence for conviction, word of mouth alone is enough

So why is it no longer effective?
Thats is because such practices were primitive and not good enough!

Ubenedictus:
in cases of historic abuse the court doesn't need evidence for conviction, word of mouth alone is enough

No, it still needs evidence. I can just wake up and say that a former rapist raped my sister where as he didn't. The fact that certain courts woefully failed doesn't mean that others should follow suit.

calberian:
I still got respect for R. Kelly regardless.

I'm totally against the abuses and all perpetrated by the reverred musician but I opine thus:

All those folks were benefitting from him all those years and kept quiet. Now, they aren't getting those benefits anymore and they saw how the Cosby affair went so they congregated and made a video out of it and are now playing the victim.

If they're as honest as they claim to be, they should have sacrificed those benefits and spoken up right away. Secondly, I daresay that it's the parent's fault when a minor is exposed to abuse in such a manner.

Anyways, I still got respect for the king of Rnb, I only wonder how he managed to look past all the matured folk who would do anything to spend one night with him and settle for high school kids.

you have respect for a child molester?

I have respect for the king of rnb

jennychapo:

you have respect for a child molester?

They think they are pushing R. Kelly down, but what they don't know is they've succeeded in resurrecting R. Kelly's dead career. He was bankrupt but he'll soon be a millionaire once again. Let him release an album. His album sales will skyrocket. Quote me anywhere.

PS: This is not an endorsement of child molestation. Say no to it

Tapout:
funny thing is that this whole R kelly Saga was aired in an episode on Boondocks season 1...in that episode he was taken to court and the charges were dropped.

I watch the episode and they play his song inside the court room and everyone dance to it...Boondocks need to continue from season 4

The way you people jump into conclusions is baffling. That girl is his daughter and she said she lived in that house. So obviously she must have first hand information of his pedophilic acts so how exactly do you mean she is saying what she doesn't know. Do you know her father more than her?

Stop bringing other issues into this, this is strictly about R. Kelly and any other case that must have happened previously has nothing to do with this.

FYI, pedophilia is a serious crime in America and if found guilty he will go to jail for it.

openmine:
Am actually shocked by the reactions that an "allegation" is generating esp from well educated celebrities who should know that one is innocent until the person is pronounced guilty!

Same happened to Star actor Steven seagal who was accused last year by a lady to have sexually abused her 30 years ago....ofcourse steven seagal denied it and the story has died a natural death since then!

The worse is the daughter who should have kept silent rather than saying what she doesn't know simply because of the hatred she has for her father as seen in the post!

I still remember a picture message I saw some years ago about a football player who was accused of sexually assaulting a lady and was jailed!
After 12 years,this same lady goes to court asking the judge to drop the charges and acquit the football player!
Her reason was that she had lied all this time and the player never raped her!
You can imagine how the guy felt after spending 12 years in prison for a crime that he never committed!

I am not in any way trying to condone sexual abuse from anyone....however,we must be very careful how we react to accusations from rape victims....Let the court do their job!

He slept with underaged girls. Underaged girls. That is a very big crime and you can't just simply out it aside by saying it's "his choice". In the US of A (unlike the shithole Nigeria), sleeping with an underaged girl is termed statutory rape because a young girl/boy cannot give consent.

jaxxy:
Hmmm what exactly has R. Kelly done. I may not like or approve of his life style bt it’s still his life. There are porn stars and it’s their life and choices. I do hope he matures and changes tho.

Jesus Christ. For real??

I also heard about him urinating on underaged girls but didn't know the video was already out. Chaaaiii.

cucumbar:
I watched one porn video when I was still in school where he was having sex with kids of about 13-15 years, and would urinate on them. Are they the ones accusing him now? Haven’t been following the story

Look at this idiot. No wonder your country is a giant shithole. So we should pardon murderers too right since all have sinned before. Fool.

dederocs:
Bitter people, leave the man alone...he who has no sin, should caste the first stone.

Chaaaiii.

cucumbar:
lol! over sure. That was around 1998-2000. He wasn’t wearing a mask nau. He was clearly the one.

No one is singling out anyone. The victims are speaking out. America is not Nigeria with one sided corruption fighting and witch hunting. Many prominent people who were far wealthier than R.Kelly have gone down for being pedophiles.

majekdom2:
Does making a filem about predatory, peadophile and sexual abuse stop the next peadophile? What lesson is learnt? None is you ask me. The clear motive of this is to bring down an alleged peadophile but does it stop the next? No again. It might only encourage some who think they have strength, money and power to abuse minors. Many of the alleged crimes are still in the black entertainment industry. Many minors acts pornography, many of these entertainers are pimps and drug lords. It is wrong to single out someone and think you have a cause you are fighting for.

Martinez19:
So you are saying that we should just believe the women? You are still emotional and writing trash. What concerns me with double standard people? Didn't I say that the court ASSUMES an accused innocent until proven guilty? Fail judicial system or not, every accused is to be assumed innocent until proven guilty? Mtewwwww.

#innocentuntilprovenguilty

Stfu. There are evidences of R.Kelly sex tapes involving teenagers out there. So don't spew gibberish about the lack of evidences. What saved R.kelly was that the girls failed to turn up in court as witnesses either because they were afraid, ashamed or bribed and the one that did claimed she wasn't the one in the sextape. So shut up already.

Martinez19:
No, it still needs evidence. I can just wake up and say that a former rapist raped my sister where as he didn't. The fact that certain courts woefully failed doesn't mean that others should follow suit.

Unfortunately for you and R.kelly, there are evidences which include sextapes but what saved him was the failure of the victims to turn up in court while the one that did claimed she wasn't the one in the tape. If these victims turn up today, R.kelly is a goner.

My dear, most Nigerian men don't have sense.

Biscuits:
Comments from dum.b people on this thread though,

Too much sense in one post.

koyyes:
See what finger battery d1ck has caused.

The law over there is very simple. Do not have sex with minors!

If this man was smart, all he would have done was to come down to Africa and defile all the daughters and sisters of the sexists here on Nairaland. I am sure they won't bat an eye lid since all they do is birth females with low self esteem.

Ask Akon. He did it and his secrets are well protected.

The laws over there in developed countries is to promote a sane society with intelligent people. But negroes don't get and that's why even blacks over there still back kelly and are stupidly blaming the whole allegation on race.

Dumb breeds.

Martinez19:
No, it still needs evidence. I can just wake up and say that a former rapist raped my sister where as he didn't. The fact that certain courts woefully failed doesn't mean that others should follow suit.

not really dear,

you can follow up the trial of historic abuse cases in America for the last 10 years, there is no need for physical evidence, the words of the accuser, and whoever doesn't like the accused character, are sufficient as evidence so far they don't contradict themselves. If the court believe they are trustworthy then the accused is finished. Take a look at the cases against catholic priests.

Gosh! In America having sex with an underaged is called statutory rape.

almarthins:


Same way they crucify Michael Jackson for a crime he didn't commit. Since 2005 I had been hearing about R.Kelly handling of under age girls.

Abeg how it take rape dem?
Why dem no arrest R.Kelly immediately?


Aaliyah was underage when she was impregnated by R.Kelly but no rape case was reported against him.

Like your olosho mother right?

IprintMONEY:
god and satan never give me a daughter please . boys all the way. no oloshos allowed

Amen! Idiots like that shouldn't even be breeding. They should be castrated since they hate women so much.

dasparrow:


May your misogynist azz never find a woman to marry. The day you try to get married to a woman you will die and may you never be able to get any woman pregnant. May your sperm be useless and produce no children. Misogynists like you should stay single till the day you die and that will be your portion. Amen.