I want to travel to South Africa for a vacation. Any tips on a Travel Agencies that could help?

Hi, I got you post this afternoon. Are you still interested?

I am not an Agent, but I have someone who can do it as I am also planning for a trip soon. You may contact me on 08035921919

Why South Africa of all places? Their crime rate is far higher than that of Lagos! Do you want to perish?

it is a sucide. SA is worst crime country after Brazil.

South Africa still has a better reputation to Nigeria because of the 'whites' leaving their.

They avoid cause economic hardship for themselves.

thats not fair - I went to SA last November and SA is lovely and great, visit Johannesburg and Pretoria, you'll like it. In fact, ask any SA person about the upsurge in crime and they will opine that it is because of the influx of Nigerians to SA. I tend to beleive because when I visited the "den" of my Nigerian brothers, even myself got scared.

Guys please stop discouraging now. Mind you he didn't ask for your opinion on where to go. If u know a travel agent tell him! else,

Please can someone help me out? I want to do my IT in USA next year. Anyone with any information or connection?

funny - IT all the way in USA? Do you have the visa?when it is hard for would be students to get a visa, you are hoping to get a visa for IT?

I am a student here in SA.if you are coming for vacation,you must meet the basic requirements.

*Hotel Booking
*Proof of bank account
*proof of recent staff or student identity card as the case applies.
All these will be sorted out through your traveling agent

Please if you are coming to SA for greener pasture,you had better have a change of mind because there is virtually nothing here.

Think carefully, , one of my colleagues just went for someone's funeral. You know what? The person went to S.A , I suppose for vacation, and , was attacked by armed robbers. They came into his hotel room, demanded for things and shot him dead, right there!

If you need assistance for visa procurement to SA, contact me on 8516418

Seun:

! Do you want to perish?

lolololololol seun baba i gbadun your question oo

so why are you telling us?or what goodies will u give us when u r back

Depending on how much cash you have, you can equally do most of the runs yourself. Go to RCI.com and view their resorts in S/A. Mind you you may have to pay as much as $900 for 7 nights. Vacations cost a lot of money you know.

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Well, be on guard! SA is full of crime despite beautiful cities and you might end up being stabbed just for a mobile phone. Moreover, the Whites are very xenophobic towards (other) Africans and they think that the rest of Africa is "shit" and "hopeless" for good and they only write and speak very badly of us! So beware. the country is beautiful but the people are wicked and weird!

my dear,
just dont get scared? i was there some months back. besides u dont need any one help u get the visa. if u work, get ur leave letter, letter of intrduction from ur company, and pay slips (optional) bank statement, hotel reservation(but u can stay in a bed-n-breakfast for R60 a day, which is still ok) prefer u stay in pretoria to JBerg. u can contact me if u need hotel resrvation. cheers

Constantin:

Well, be on guard! SA is full of crime despite beautiful cities and you might end up being stabbed just for a mobile phone. Moreover, the Whites are very xenophobic towards (other) Africans and they think that the rest of Africa is "shit" and "hopeless" for good and they only write and speak very badly of us! So beware. the country is beautiful but the people are wicked and weird!

That's really funny, funny but true.

I am a South African so i will try and give some perspective behind the really confusing country that is South Africa.

- Crime is a problem in Joburg and to some extent Durban and Pretoria.
- It is however far less of a problem in Cape Town
- Don't expect any stranger to smile at you in Joburg because nobody trust any stranger (due to crime)
- The average South African is fairly ignorant about the rest of Africa and the world for that matter
- This is largely due to apartheid which restricted free movement of black people even inside the country
- if you travelled outside you would be targeted as a "terrorist" in support of the freedom fighter movement
 by the apartheid government. So only a fraction of black South Africans even have a passport as we speak.
- The first time most South Africans saw Nigerians was in 1995+

- Zenophobia is still a problem especially amongst the poor black people

- This is largely due to the perception that foreigners are here to take their jobs (e.g. Zimbabweans work the farms
for next to nothing)

- The Majority of the Nigerians that first came to SA settled around Hillbrow (Northern part of downtown Joburg) which
subsequently degenerated into some kind of a Harlem due to peddling drugs and other related illegal activities. Many
South Africans credit the Nigerians for causing the demise of Hillbrow. This is a perception that fuels zenophobia.

- Most nigerians also operate countless cellphone shops which help keep the cellphone theft industry alive by buying
stolen phones (often taken at gunpoint from their owners). Some of the gangs that terrorize people for their phones
are organized by these Nigerian operated cellphone shops. This obviously breeds more hatred towards foreigners
who all end up being painted by the same brush.

- For the record we do have some of the most educated Nigerians in the South African corporate sector. The poor South Africans who often constitute a very unproductive section of the economy's population are the most zenophobia. This situation has changed a lot
and incidences of zenophibia are now far and in between.

- recently the government instituted measures to fight this and turn Joburg into a friendly environment for Africans who today constitute more than half of the tourists coming to SA.

It all comes down to this, S.A is more developed, but Nigeria has a history that it can boast of. I don't know why there is hostility between S.A and other African countries. S.Africa is a great country, but my problem with the country is the perception from South Africans, that they are better than Nigerians, when Nigeria has contributed more to Africa than South Africa. We sent troops to end the Sierra Leone Violence, we sent troops to Ivory Coast and Liberia. We loaned Sao Tome Money. We have one of the largest contingents in Darfur. We along with Ghana, Ivory coast etc reassured the world of Black equality when South Africa was engulfed with turmoil from Aparthied. My Dad was in South Africa, a few years ago(He worked there for around 4 years). He went to pub in Joburg and he ordered a drink, he was handed a plastic cup, he asked why he wasn't given a Tumbler, and a black south Africa answered "boss, don't you know it's only the whites that use that, we go to the city and work in the day and return here in the Afternoon". I am not trying to administer negativity towards South Africa, but rather I am saying that the perception of Nigerians by a lot of South Africans, is extremely bold.

Peace to Bafana, Peace to Naija

dblock, as i mentioned before, you need to understand that it isn't as simple as that. Nigeria is obviously a super power in Sub-Saharan Africa
and has had to bear most of the cost in ensuring a peaceful West Africa and South Africa. Granted, i am sure before Nelson Mandela era, the whites
didn't give squat about Africa and probably did nothing about it except when it was going to benefit them something. But things have changed
drastically since then. Mbeki wen't on to champion NEPAD and his idea of the African renaissance together with Obasanjo. He has been mediating
peace in DRC, Burundi, Lesotho, Ivory Coast, Sudan etc while also fighting the West to open up more to Africa. He probably didn't intervene a lot in West Africa because Nigeria has largely taken care of this sub-region. oday the South African National Defence Force is deployed in a lot of countries around Africa in peace keeping missions.

So i think it doesn't have to be a pissing contest between Nigeria and SA but rather more co-operation is needed to ensure and stable continent between
all countries within the AU. And i have seen a lot of expending their effort to try and prove that X is doing more for the continent than Y. This in my humble
opinion will only derail progress in Africa. I hope that our leaders do not engage in the manner that i have seen in some of these forums, because if they do
then god help us all.

Perhaps in the near future, South Africans and Nigerians can have a more prosperous Bilateral and social relationship

As for the perception of being better than Nigeria, this will always be there until Nigeria begins to develop its economy and infrastructure
and take its rightful position in the global economy. Even in West Africa, the Ivorians probably used to think that they are better than anyone in
the sub-region and when i was in Ghana, i also noticed that Ghanaians claiming to be better than Nigerians. This is just something that
is always there whether we like it or not and not just a South African thing. Even Nigerians on this forum have a tendency of saying that
they are better than other people.

But most people who think like that are normally the sort of people you won't loose anything by avoiding them. They tend to be the ignorant and un-educated type often the sort of people who don't contribute anything to their own countries. But as i said, this will disappear with time as people
become less ignorant and travel into other countries in Africa.

It's human nature I guess, some people thrive of the downfalls of others. But then again it is not as if Nigeria is on the floor wailing. There has never being a period in Nigeria's history that we couldn't pull ourselves together. Things can only get better, and Nigeria will surely lock Horns with South Africa

true that, i do have to mention that there is a lot of interest in the Nigerian economy from South Africa. Something
which is also changing the perception of the average man in the street. So Nigeria can only go up and i for one
know that no Nigerian today will tolerate the dictators that have robbed that country of its success. So things
can only get better. But like everyone else we all have our problems and in SA, crime, illegal immigrants who are
also helping to fuel the crime wave as well as corruption are the biggest problems right now. Current estimates
are that there is more than 10 million illegal immigrants in SA now. There is likely more than 1 million Nigerians
here and most of them are not in SA just to come and help the country. Many come to SA looking for greener
pastures only to arrive in SA and find that its not all that green for people who are not skilled so they have to
resort to crime to survive.

However, if you are an educated engineer (transport, chemical, electrical, civil), architect, MBA, finance, CEO, production
manager, medical doctor, telecommunications specialist, veterinary scientists, bio-medical specialist, project manager,
maths and science teacher with experience then South Africa is looking for you. The Minister of Home Affairs last
week announced that they will give 35,000 permits to foreigners and allow them to come into the country for 3 months
to look for employment in any of these areas. What i can tell you is that if you are educated and come to SA you are going
to enjoy it, but if not you are likely going to have a lot of misery unlike say the the UK or Europe where you can just
work at McDonalds etc. I know Nigerians in SA who earn $100,000+ and live a much better lifestyle than their counterparts
in the US as property as cost of living is much cheaper in SA.

Sean, that makes for interesting reading. I am only happy that the kind of racists
that often make all the headlines on the internet, actually get sidelined by people
who can think logically. Most of them can not utter those words in SA without
quickly being sidelined and perhaps even losing their dignity. So what you
see on these online forums does not reflect the majority of what white people
necessarily think in SA. Contrary to this, many people are working hard to make
SA a better place for all. Naturally there are many who are not happy with the
govt for not delivering on certain promises and they are free to voice their opinion.
However on the whole i personally believe that the ANC has achieved a near
miracle when considering the constraints and the injustices of the past. Rome
was not built in a day.

So despite the fact that we still have people who wish the old apartheid system
was still in place, the majority of people now simply want a better place for everyone.
Naturally things like crime and poverty tend to polarize people especially because
it often affects one racial group more than the other or at least people's perceive this
to be the case. The truth of course tend to be a little different than the general
perceptions.