@Deep Sight; Jesus didnt manifest nothing. Didnt you read it in the Bible that Jesus said he came to practice what Moses practiced? ANd warned people like you of not walking away from it, else you will be one of the least in the kingdom of heaven?


Jesus, a servant cant do nothing of his own power, because he had none.

^^^ So why then did he effectively stop the stoning of the woman?

The law was that she should be stoned: men had always been sinners so sinners had always done the stoning. Why did Jesus prevent the stoning.

Please i do not believe in the divinity of Jesus and all that c.rap, but he certainly was a great teacher who preached high principles of love and brotherhood. And he repudiated that barbaric practice.

@Vedaxcruel, I am not surprised by ur reasoning, when a child is forced fed Islamic dogma until adulthood, u take away that persons ability to reason outside the box. Take any child from the age of 5yrs old and put him in a school where he his thought to believe without question the same things his parents believe in throughout that child's formative years, that child will grow up believing whatever he was thought, no matter how ridiculous the believe system might be, hence the reason we have Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Animist, Budhist and so on all believing strongly in their form of worship.
The essence of debating /discussing is to share ideas and hopefully influence a positive change in society, Ur insults and tantrums doesn`t fit into this. Anger and the ability to control it is the height of civility.

"I only wonder whether you ever entered the four corners of any school, coz this kind of reasoning + dishonest behavior shames you and your family"

Y belittle me and my family just because i don`t share the same opinion as u, but to be honest if I never went to school and can still read and write, I think most people would say I have done well.

Can u show the ability to reason without abuse and threat of violence? Funny that the Arab Muslim brothers that frequent speakers corner in London always result to insults and abuse whenever they hit a brick wall in their reasoning process.

@nopuqeater, u are just reciting the same stuff as u were thought at the Koranic schools, it seems u are one of the many that will never leave the box due to the many years of indoctrination u went through at these schools. Do u realise that if ur parents had raised u as an Hindu or as a Christian and sent u to a school from age 5 to 16 where u are thought to believe nothing else but the dogma of these religions, u would be here today claiming they are they best religion for man kind. But today because of ur parents and their religion u are here defending what u were raised with. Y are u a Muslim is the Qs u should be asking urself, that is the first step in braeking free from the shackles of religion. But at the same time I understand u might never be free of the brainwashing that as become ur reality. I understand brov.

okunoba:

@Vedaxcruel, I am not surprised by your reasoning, when a child is forced fed Islamic dogma until adulthood, u take away that persons ability to reason outside the box. Take any child from the age of 5yrs old and put him in a school where he his thought to believe without question the same things his parents believe in throughout that child's formative years, that child will grow up believing whatever he was thought, no matter how ridiculous the believe system might be, hence the reason we have Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Animist, Budhist and so on all believing strongly in their form of worship.
The essence of debating /discussing is to share ideas and hopefully influence a positive change in society, your insults and tantrums doesn`t fit into this. Anger and the ability to control it is the height of civility.

"I only wonder whether you ever entered the four corners of any school, coz this kind of reasoning + dishonest behavior shames you and your family"

Y belittle me and my family just because i don`t share the same opinion as u, but to be honest if I never went to school and can still read and write, I think most people would say I have done well.

Can u show the ability to reason without abuse and threat of violence? Funny that the Arab Muslim brothers that frequent speakers corner in London always result to insults and abuse whenever they hit a brick wall in their reasoning process.

Where did I threaten violence? If you cannot point to me where I used violence to threaten you then know you are a LIAR with no moral, what would any body expect from people without faithexcept dishonesty and Queer reasoning. I believe it is better I live you to lie to yourself as you have issues with the Truth. as for going to school; since you couldn't understand the simple statement i made let educate you a little not going through the four cornersof schools means you shows the attributes of one that is afflicted by Illitracy and grotesque unintelligent, as nopuqeater after showing you the true positions of things , you instead insist that you have your own opinion? Now believing in faslehood is shear bigotry and loyalty to lies,as If I ask you who is the president of Nigeria? I would expect you to say "Goodluck" but a person like you would say "Obj" and then claim that is his opinion, opinion indeed, that is a lie,not an opinion. Again you showed your intelligence when you claimed that people are brain washed in all religion, yet failed to explain why in this mordern age we have convert to Islam, to christianity and other religion, and where you born religionless, so much of being a of higher intelligence.

Deep Sight:

^^^ So why then did he effectively stop the stoning of the woman?

The law was that she should be stoned: men had always been sinners so sinners had always done the stoning. Why did Jesus prevent the stoning.

Please i do not believe in the divinity of Jesus and all that c.rap, but he certainly was a great teacher who preached high principles of love and brotherhood. And he repudiated that barbaric practice.

You fail to undersatnd why Jesus stop the allegde stoning? It was a ploy and trap by the Jews hence instead of falling into their trap he instead manouvered his way, a more salient question is that it would have been a grave injustice if Jesus had accepted to stone her withou asking for evidence and the man she slept with Just like when the Jews came asking whether they should pay Tribute to cesar; instead of Answering their question directly he dribble and said render unto ceasar what is for ceasar and to the lord what is for the Lord the question arise why didn't he outright tell the Jews not pay ceasar his tax since ceasar was an oppressor and Jesus was supposed to be their Savior? ans because he knew the Jews were nbeing clever by half, furthermore Jesus did say that he did not come to abolish the law and the Prophets, hence being a jew, Jesus accepted the way of his people and he did not categorically state that you should not stone Alduterers(/ess)

vedaxcool:

Jesus accepted the way of his people and he did not categorically state that you should not stone Alduterers(/ess)

^^^ You miss the point.

He stated that "he who is without sin should cast the first stone."

Since there is no human being without sin, this effectively disqualifies ALL HUMANS from casting such stones.

Deep Sight:

^^^ You miss the point.

He stated that "he who is without sin should cast the first stone."

Since there is no human being without sin, this effectively disqualifies ALL HUMANS from casting such stones.

you miss the point of my whole reply and like you said ""he who is without sin should cast the first stone" the implication is even if some Murders another no one has the right punish him? or if some one steals no Judge should jail since no human being is with out a sin or are you just saying that he was talking of Aldultery alone coz it has far reaching consequences,No?
furthermore if you understood the context of what was happening you will come to the conclusion that Jesus out smarted the Jews.

Deep Sight:

^^^ Does Allah support stoning women to death and flogging them for having s"ex ?

and what did the Bible say about woman who is not virgin on her wedding night?

Deep Sight:

^^^ You miss the point.

He stated that "he who is without sin should cast the first stone."

Since there is no human being without sin, this effectively disqualifies ALL HUMANS from casting such stones.

yes he say so cos he has interest in the lady but never have the opportunity to

@vedaxcruel,
I never said u threatened me with violence, but u obviously love to throw abuse at people who disagree with u. Can u reason without using abusive language? Judging by ur post I doubt it, because 2/3 of it consist of nothing but abuse, without dealing with the issues I raised. If u can that would show u are educated like u love to say. Part of education is the ability to discuss issues without resulting to abusive words.

Adults who convert to other religions are usually not brainwashed, but the people who are forced fed the dogma of religion from youth to adulthood and are not allowed to question the teachings are, killing their ability to reason outside the dogma they have been forced fed. Can u answer this simple question, how did u become a Muslim? how many Yoruba Christians do u know who converted to Islam as adults? I can give u examples of many Yoruba Muslims who converted to Christianity and some that just stopped believing in any form of organised religion. Y do u think the Oyibo man doesn`t believe in juju like we black Africans, it`s because he was not raised and thought to believe such things exist. I hope u get the point. Now is ur chance to prove if u are truely educated like u claim.

@Deep Sight; Re: Adultery: Iranian Woman To Receive 99 Lashes
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^^^ So why then did he effectively stop the stoning of the woman?[/Quote]you should have used deep knowledge or insight. he knew no one present was sinless. even him. he appealed to their collective conscience. and his, too. they didnt stone her. he didnt, either. they were one and all, sinners, it is the degree and in the know that was different, at that time. wasnt he prophet among the flood of people? was it not clear to you that Eloi had told him?




[Quote]The law was that she should be stoned: men had always been sinners so sinners had always done the stoning. Why did Jesus prevent the stoning.[/Quote]special circumstances. the mob was hypocritical. Eloi let Jesus, a prophet know that. so the law was broken in that one instance, just like when jacob, a prophet prostrated his face to joseph without going into idolatry, because of joseph's dream must be fulfilled.



]Quote]Please i do not believe in the divinity of Jesus and all that c.rap, but he certainly was a great teacher who preached high principles of love and brotherhood. And he repudiated that barbaric practice.[quote][/Quote]whats barbaric about what moses did at that time? and if we move it to this time, if there is a pharaoh today, with that much evil, he deserves to be drowned, just like back then. has God suddenly changed?

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