chibuzorAbia:


Pure rubbish you wrote up there. I am the only member of my extended family who does not believe in your fake God, yet I am the only one they come to disturb when their fake God disappoints them. The problem with most of you is poverty!

Freeze is absolutely correct all the time.

Satan66:
The brainwashed society of Christians won't listen.
They fail to understand that their religion and church is a business organization made for money.
If God exist then ask yourself this.
Why has miracles only happened In the bible?
The raising of the dead and all the spreading of the red sea.
Only in the fairy tale book.

Shepherd00:

No, we don't know too much. It's a Comprehension issue. Read again;

Matthew 23:23 You Pharisees and teachers are show-offs, and you're in for trouble! You give God a tenth of the spices from your garden, such as mint, dill, and cumin. Yet you neglect the more important matters of the Law, such as justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the important things you should have done, though you should not have left the others undone either.
The Lord says, Justice, Mercy and Faithfulness are most important but that doesn't mean you shd leave the others.

No where did the Lord said we shd stop paying tithe.

Have it your way, no be for me you dey pay for.


And when you go to your grottos or occult temples you talk and your master listen abi?


I ask you again, when you go to your occult meetings you talk and your masters listen?


Are you high? Sleep it over.

Shepherd00:

WTH are you all about?

Maybe you shd tell Freeze to invest in his life than spend all his life trying to pick out specks from the eyes of others when he has a forest growing on his forehead.

raymondele86:


Mathew 23:23, Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.


Where did Jesus endorse tithing in the above verse?

Satan66 :
I'm a stupid boy looking for attention .

Adakintroy:

Again you reek of knowing it all shame on you

Adakintroy:

Your kind are quick to quote bible verse because it give you off as vast

Adakintroy:

But even the verse you quote you hardly ever know the meaning. Because you are not guided by love.

Adakintroy:

Just need to showoff. I have seen donkeys reel out advice to prophets. This is where many of you are with people like freeze. Not because he knows anything pertaining to the spirit. But because like that certain prophet you your priest do it for the money and it's getting to obvious.

Adakintroy:

I this debate had never been about paying tithes. But what the men do with the money afterwards.

Adakintroy:

It was there sense of entitlement to tithes that has made people start to change their stand. If tithes is for my good why curse me if I don't pay?

Papyk:
I Know you are a pastor. Mathew 23:23 is not talking to christians, Here Jesus was talking to the pharisee, the teacher of Judaism which is the religion of Israel and the Judaism is still the religion of israel up till now. If you can read please google what is the religion of isreal. If you truly the follower of christ (christian) you not suppose to pay any nigerian or any lazy pastors 10% of your money. Even in Judaism Law tithe is not money, its proceed from a farm. That is Jesu christ and his disciples never paid tithe because their fishermen and a carpenter because you cannot put wood and fish in a store house.What Daddy freeze was telling you is you want to give your money to God, Read Jesus instruction in Mathew 25.
Daddy Freeze is trying to help you from those lazy greed 419 GOs and pastors who manipulate and create fear in you so you can continue to fund their lifestyle. That is why so many of you are so poor. You give them your money and their used it to build Universities which your children cannot attend, they build house estate which majority of you cannot afford, God who create heaven and earth does not need your money to bless you. stop insulting God by saying your are giving GOd money.

kernel001:



I don't support Freeze abi na Freezer!

But the verse you quoted didn't enjoin Christians to pay tithe, but rather talks about Christians to be mindful of weighter matters instead of seeing tithe as a gateway to heaven.

Shepherd00:

A man who is wealthy living in affluence does not cry about not being called for MC jobs. Have you ever heard? Lolzzzzz.


See how e pain you. All his insults on others who can employ him as their driver is not enough for you to call him out. He-po-crit that is what you.


Why then is he crying that he is broke?� He has not been called for MC jobs, does that speak of a man who runs a business?

But I don't see your father attacking people who are better them him. Or, does he?
Let my reasoning not be your business. Your opinions don't count and you don't validate anything here.

This is what we the Sheeples have been saying since the advent of freeze. Na our money why e de pain you?



We are the victims, no worry nah. Thanks for your concern, but wait make we come dey beg for food for ya house before you go rant. Until then, get lost.

Satan been trying to run Christians life from Eden.

Shepherd00:

I decided to ignore you because my explanations will be wasted on you. Let me do it anyways.

It's becos their covenant is obsolete. A New covenant with Christ as the Eternal High Priest is on going.

Listen carefully. The Jews can not perform any Priestly duties outside the Temple in the Holy of Holies. According to prophecies the temple was destroyed in 70Ad leaving them without a Temple, making sure the Daily Sacrifices ceases. This prophecy dates back to Daniel.

All their sacrifices were a shadow of Christ as a Sacrificial lamb. Now He has been offered and to keep them from offering anymore sacrifices, Jesus permitted Islam to build a mosque in their Temple site defiling the Holy site.

But, Hebrews 7, 8, and 9 explains and introduces us to a new and a better covenant with Christ as the eternal High Priest and His body, the Church as His Temple.

Hebrew makes us to understand thar, Tithing is a Jesus' Ordinance and Jesus is eternal, that's why He appeared in the person of Melchizedek to Abraham, long before Levite who became a Priest and took Tithes was born.

We Christians are not Jews who must wait for a physical Temple before they can perform their Priestly duties. We are all Priests and Christ only as the High Priest.

When we pay tithes now, we pay to Christ not a man.

****ignored henceforth****

Obi1kenobi:


1) The payment of tithes predated the temple.
2) The Jewish faith and covenant is not defined by the existence of a temple or otherwise.
3) Even if the Jewish covenant were defined by the temple, nothing stops them from rebuilding the temple to renew the covenant.
4) Neither Christ, nor his apostles collected tithes. Free will giving has always been the bedrock of the Christian faith.

Again, it is embarrassing that the actual civilization from which your tithing was appropriated, the Jews, do not pay tithes. Yet, some black ass niggas appropriated an ancient, alien Jewish custom that has nothing to do with their faith, just to maximize their fleecing of the gullible flock. A real shame. Embarrassing.

Obi1kenobi:


This is sadly the disease of the prosperity gospel and modern Pentecostalism. The worship of money and materialism. You think that anybody that is richer than you is better than you. I feel sorry for you for the level of inferiority complex that must ravage you. That is why it is so easy to manipulate sheep like you with the prosperity gospel and for people like you, tithing is not even an act of love and charity, but basically an MMM-style investment that you expect to reap from after sowing.



And you still can't get it into your head that nobody cares about you. I would only care when I find out you're one of the tithe scammers. Again, nobody gives a flying fucckk if you pour your money into the lagoon. The scammers from the pulpit who prey on the minds of the gullible and impressionable (many of whom are redeemable from their foolishness) and pervert the teachings of Christianity is all we happen to care about.

Satan has already been using the criminals in the pulpit for his grand designs. Why do you think Nigerians are the evilest scum on the earth despite being the most religiously devout? Why do you think poverty continues to ravage the land despite all the prosperity gospel of your pulpit scammers? You think Swiss or Swedish or Norwegian or Japanese or Singaporean people are wealthy because of how much tithes they pay to scammers from the pulpit?

CodeTemplar:
read it well sir. It endorses tithe.

Shepherd00:

See? I told you that my explanations will be wasted on you. No shaking Sha.

Obi1kenobi:


Of course "explanations" that make no sense would be wasted on me. What were you expecting before?

charlycharles:

Pls mention one apostle of Christ or any of d disciples of Jesus that paid tithe in d new testament. Christians never paid tithe read d book of acts of d apostles it covers d teachings and d practices of d early church and u will never find tithing. Pls study ur Bible and stop believing pastors. Remember there are three dispensations in d Bible: the patriachs, mosaic and Christian age each come with a different practices and laws. Tithing is never a practice under the Christian age. Or are under Judaism ie d mosaic age? Think about these with clear mindset.

Shepherd00:

Why shd I be ashamed now?

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have.
Weytin be the bad thing wey I do now?


Hmmm. What did I do that shows I didn't quote the Word with Love?

What are you crying about? I don't get a thing you said here. Make some sense.


Why aren't you talking about what your Native Doctors and Occult Masters do with what you give them? Na our money, abi your money follow dey inside?

Who cursed you? Jehovah said you inherit a curse if you steal from Him. Take it out with Him not pastors.

Now, getaut

sshyne:

You can't use Mat 23:23 to justify tithing. Read from Mat 23:1 that way you will understand what Jesus was trying to say. He was Scolding the Pharisees (teachers of the law) and not praising them. As at that time the law was practiced and Christianity hasn't started. Jesus never collected tithe because according to the law of Moses he is not qualified to collect it, only the Levites can collect it and Jesus never paid tithe because only farmers pay tithe and he was not a farmer. Tithing was farm produce so why are your pastors laying emphasis on tithing in for of money? I they really wanna follow the law they should stick to farm produce. Please I wanna you too show me a place in the Bible where Jesus was preaching on the benefits of tithes or why we should tithe.

The law as being done away with, including circumcision. If I may ask you, does circumcision as anything to do with being a Christian?

sshyne:

You can't use Mat 23:23 to justify tithing. Read from Mat 23:1 that way you will understand what Jesus was trying to say. He was Scolding the Pharisees (teachers of the law) and not praising them. As at that time the law was practiced and Christianity hasn't started. Jesus never collected tithe because according to the law of Moses he is not qualified to collect it, only the Levites can collect it and Jesus never paid tithe because only farmers pay tithe and he was not a farmer. Tithing was farm produce so why are your pastors laying emphasis on tithing in for of money? I they really wanna follow the law they should stick to farm produce. Please I wanna you too show me a place in the Bible where Jesus was preaching on the benefits of tithes or why we should tithe.

The law as being done away with, including circumcision. If I may ask you, does circumcision as anything to do with being a Christian?

Obi1kenobi:


Jesus was born a Jew and respected and observed the customs and laws of his society. This doesn't mean endorsement, or that those customs are central to Christian dogma. He was never known to have demanded anyone's tithes and neither did the apostles and early Christians. You are not a Jew and nowhere was it instructed for Christians to pay tithes: something that not even Jews today do.

Olumyco:


Sir Tithing is a principle that existed before the law. The law only came to regulate it. There are three categories of law of Moses.
1. Moral Laws
2. Ceremonial laws
3. Civil laws

Tithing is under Ceremonial law. Infact all ceremonial laws existed before the law as a principle. So it was not the law that birthed Tithing.

Tithing is 10% or more of your income/gain.

Jesus and the disciples would not have been able to pay Tithe because they never worked for money. The disciples ceased from their jobs to follow Jesus. So get this right.

See the Churches in the new testament never has issue with payment of Tithe. Many of them were Jews. Infact the Churches then were made up of apprx. 70% Jews... so Tithing their income was never an issue... the only problem they had was offering and free will giving. That was why issues like that were addressed. There is no where in the new testament where Christians were told to stop paying Tithes. Tithe itself is a principle and an obligation. God gave you something and want just 10% or more from you... should that be difficult to do. Why are using Pastors issues to justify non - payment of Tithe? If all Pastors starts sleeping with girls out there are we going to stop going to Church to serve God? Lets be guided. Tithe is a must for every Christian.

Shepherd00:

I decided to ignore you because my explanations will be wasted on you. Let me do it anyways.

It's becos their covenant is obsolete. A New covenant with Christ as the Eternal High Priest is on going.

Listen carefully. The Jews can not perform any Priestly duties outside the Temple in the Holy of Holies. According to prophecies the temple was destroyed in 70Ad leaving them without a Temple, making sure the Daily Sacrifices ceases. This prophecy dates back to Daniel.

All their sacrifices were a shadow of Christ as a Sacrificial lamb. Now He has been offered and to keep them from offering anymore sacrifices, Jesus permitted Islam to build a mosque in their Temple site defiling the Holy site.

But, Hebrews 7, 8, and 9 explains and introduces us to a new and a better covenant with Christ as the eternal High Priest and His body, the Church as His Temple.

Hebrew makes us to understand thar, Tithing is a Jesus' Ordinance and Jesus is eternal, that's why He appeared in the person of Melchizedek to Abraham, long before Levite who became a Priest and took Tithes was born.

We Christians are not Jews who must wait for a physical Temple before they can perform their Priestly duties. We are all Priests and Christ only as the High Priest.

When we pay tithes now, we pay to Christ not a man.

****ignored henceforth****

chibuzorAbia:


Pure rubbish you wrote up there. I am the only member of my extended family who does not believe in your fake God, yet I am the only one they come to disturb when their fake God disappoints them. The problem with most of you is poverty!

Freeze is absolutely correct all the time.

CodeTemplar:
Freeze is a carnal preacher who interprets the bible like constitution.
In Mathew 23:23, Jesus clearly endorsed tithing and I wonder how Freeze manages to read carnal meaning into scriptures.

charlycharles:

Oga show us one apostle that paid tithe. Show us one of d disciples that paid tithe. Show us where d early church taught about tithing. How could d spirit have forgotten to inspire d writer of the book of acts to record anything about if it was one of the activities of the church. For ur information sir every activity of d Church was well recorded in d book of acts of the apostles. It doesn't have to be a problem before it is recommended. Just accept the bitter truth and leave all these things.

Olumyco:


As regards the issue of Circumcision you raised you have to understand that it is under Ceremonial law. All Ceremonial laws existed before the law and they point to something.

Let me tell you Abraham performed Circumcision before the law. Go and read Genesis 17. The circumcision then was a token of covenant assured and effected upon Abraham and his descendants of a promised Messiah. Circumcision is a ceremonial law which is symbolical. It has a pointer. It points to the New Covenant of Sanctification which is the Circumcision of the heart of Believers that Jesus came to die for. Read these Bible References: Deuteronomy 10:16 ; 30:6 ; Ezekiel 44:7 ; Acts 7:51 ; Romans 2:28 ; Colossians 2:11

Animal Sacrifices and co are symbolical and that is why their principle still remain. We dont perform animal sacrifice and burnt offering again because they are pointing to Jesus who will die in the future. Now that Jesus has died on the cross... He has been substituted as the animal and because His own is perfect it was just once and anybody that uses faith to apply the blood of Jesus shed will be saved. So you see the principle never changed but the subject. The principle is without shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. It means atonement is necessary to deal with sin. Abraham, Noah, Abel... all performed sacrifices.

For Tithe, the principle still remains. The mistake you people are making is that you are seeing it as something given by the law to do. No. The law of Moses did not birth Tithing. It only regulated how it should be paid and used. Same with Circumcision. The law came to regulate who to be circumcised.... that is, every Israelite male child. So that is it.
Tithing is a principle of removing a percentage 10% or more of man's income/gain as what belongs to God.

How will a Child of God not pay Tithe even after God has blessed you. It is normal for you as a Christian to give to God what belongs to Him. And get this right you can't nullify the principle of Tithing in the name of Pastors using dubious means to collect money from people. No you cant. There are false pastors and that does not mean we should go against what God himself commanded. There are Pastors today who fake healing / using black power for healing. Should we because of this say there is nothing like divine healing from God again. No.

Sir you have to be guided. We shouldn't allow the devil to rub us of our blessing in name of fighting against fake pastors. We need to understand the Scriptures