babasoty:


Can the buhari fans answer this questions

- The N1.2 Billion that got missing at the Petroleum Ministry that Fela sang so loudly about was under Buhari's watch.

- The Kaduna Refinery was meant for Lagos at Inogbe Island with jetty already constructed, he took it to Kaduna as Minster of Petroleum.

-What was in those 53 luggages brought in by his in-law that he sent his ADC to go and clear at the MMA at a critical stage that we were changing Nigerian Currency, we may never know.

-Who owns the company that he appointed at the agent to NPTF and why was project initiations so heavily tiltled in favor of the North?

-Why did he jail Ekwueme and put Shagari under house arrest? how did Uba Ahmed the Secretary of that government "escaped" or "vamoosed" after he was arrested at that time?

-Why is it that soldier were breaking into people's warehouses to loot and forcibly sell goods with impunity and in the crudest manner ever existed anywhere during his regime?

-Why was Tunde Thompson and Nduka Irabor jailed for reporting the truth under the draconian and infamous Decrees 2 and 4

-What about the executive murder of Bernand Owoh, Ojuolape and one other?

-He cancelled meal subsidies in our higher institutions when we can afford it, did mass retrenchment in civil service, increased school fees at the same time and then embark on destroying the shops of the wives that would have helped out during his draconian reign and arrested kids who dare hawk for the family.

Some have tried to justify these nonsense with suceeding in asking us to line up at bus stations, excuse me!

His reign was one of the worst Nigeria ever witnessed.

Fela sang loudly - is that evidence? Do you remember Tai Solarin and Ebony magazine. Did Tai Solarin's read that story in Ebony magazine
You know some people can use that phantom Ebony story in a whispering campaign against someone now if the person is contesting
How come Obj did not use this matter to campaign against Buhari in 2003 and 2007
How come the Kolade panel that Obj set up shortly after assuming office in 1999 never mentioned it

You really expect me to believe that a minister! can move a  REFINERY under a military government? P-l-e-a-s-e

The 53 suitcases were not related to Buhari. He has asked people to go and ask Atiku who was the customsman on duty on that day to explain

I hope we know what is happening these days.
Last week Next published a story that was critical of GJ - some people were asking for the source
But when the same Next said in Jan that Yaradua was brain dead, NOBODY asked for the source
Indeed any story about Cabal and Turai was believed as if they were proven truths
We are human

Why did he ship Dikko in a crate and left Adisa Akinloye alone?

How did previous governments tackle hoarding?

He did not murder those guys - they were trafficking in cocaine
Singapore, malaysia, China etc still excute drug pushers today
  and one of the reasons why a chinese can bring 450kg of cocaine to Nigeria
  and Wunmi would be fined N1m for cocaine trafficking and Tochukwu was executed in Singapore for being an innocent carrier

TT and NI did not report the exact truth
Agreed, decree 4 was harsh but remember that due to the false allegations made by journalists against him, he was nearly court martialled

and you are using the same false allegations today
(as an aside if you get close to journalists some of them would confess to you their atrocities)

It is nonsense to queue at bus stations, but you are praising it now that Fashola is doing it with BRT (honesty?)
Running after buses, shoving and picking purses in the process was a better alternative?

Please let us be honest Nigeria could not afford meal subsidies when Buhari took over
evidence - Awo wrote to Shagari about the dangerous economic situation in 1980; shagari said it was a lie
Shagari faced up to reality in 1982 by passing the economic stabilisation act into law - it introduced austerity measures
Buhari came into power in Dec 1983; things had gone worse - please ask people

Buhari appointed credible people into office
Tam David West was Minister of petroleum, and he championed counter trade to avoid the opec quota constraints
Nigeria was spending 42% of earnings on debt service. He did not take the loan - please remember
How much would have been left for meal subsidies and such things.
(BTW and I know that GJ is trying to remove fuel subsidy while people say we can afford it. The argument is stronger now for retention of the subsidy given the % of national budget that go to legislature and executive)

Remember that it took 23 years later for Obj to eventually get the debt problem out of the way in 2006
Note that GJ is beginning to pile up debts again

The irony of all these is that there is always somebody to praise the government in power

You have said nothing was done in the power sector in the past 7 years
Yet a lot of people were praising Obj 5 years ago

Now you are praising GJ
whose wife is very corrupt and greedy
who was trying to justify Iwu's work, claiming that he had conducted 2 credible elections with Iwu and only capitulated under US pressure
who has not done anything to take a firm stand against corruption

babasoty:

let the other contenders muscle out GEJ, but now its a different ball game and if you read the link i posted you'd see that the ball has already been set rolling for its implementation, if you think it is easy to rule as in the case of fashola would his achievements ever warrant a probe,  you should come to bayelsa at least i work here there are people who would boast of his achievements in office being governor for 14 months only and saying buhari is not corrupt that i totally disagree, PTF was a cesspool of corrupt practices while he held sway there, every body who could bare a name that sounds northern could get a contract there, were all the contracts given out in PTF executed no way, people say he wasn't corrupt but the contractors were negligent in their jobs who are we to blame for that is it not the awarder of the contract, i put some questions there for anyone defending buhari to please answer, please Buhari is no saint either with his antecedents as a military dictator and draconian rules i think he is worse off than Jonathan

So it is now a matter of might is right - no morality? I wonder why Fajuyi died with Ironsi and Abdusalaami handed over power so early
And why should people enter into agreements they don't want to obey
So this is the reason why the man believed that he could toy with FIFA?
Can I trust him?

As for Fashola, why should we just assume because somebody is "performing", he should not be probed
The tax payers are audited to confirm the exact amount of tax they should pay
But a governor (who does not pay tax BTW) cannot be audited?

Why do we have an auditor general with a budget and staff then?
Can we not vote into office people who are ready to submit themselves to rules that are observed all over the world
Why can Clinton submit and it is hard for our civil servants
If it is so hard why do they kill their opponents - because they love us so much?
Eg why would Daniel not allow a public debate of a state matter - why is it so hard in Nigeria?

You disagree that Buhari is not corrupt
that PTF is such a cesspool
Wound up in 1999
and among the institutions probed by Kolade panel set up by Obj
Yet no charge brought against him by an opponent with whom he did not and does not see eye to eye

What should I believe? - the inaction of an Obj who embarassed Atiku, Alams, Dariye, Sunday Afolabi, Tafa Balogun etc
and sent his opponents into oblivion in the most crude manner (Ogbeh, Okadigbo, Anyim etc)
and indicted Tejuoso who was not even in government when that guy wanted to contest against Iyabo
But somehow did not lift a finger against Buhari
  or statement made by you - not in position to make official/legal inquiries - that Buhari is corrupt?

And why do I like Buhari and dislike about GJ - sincerity/insincerity
I may be mistaken - but I am being honest

babasoty:

You said the right thing let the other contenders muscle out GEJ, legally they can't do that so let them play politics and muscle him out, Its a big difference with him running the show now than when he was veepee that we must all agree and it also goes with the power of being the president, as veepee he wasn't the minister of power was he, but now its a different ball game and if you read the link i posted you'd see that the ball has already been set rolling for its implementation, if you think it is easy to rule as in the case of fashola would his achievements ever warrant a probe, absolutely no way ask your friends if there jobs are easy they practically would tell you no they would complain that its not an easy task even if they do it everyday, even the civil servants who sit in the office all day long doing nothing would tell you its not easy doing that, you should come to bayelsa at least i work here there are people who would boast of his achievements in office being governor for 14 months only and saying buhari is not corrupt that i totally disagree, PTF was a cesspool of corrupt practices while he held sway there, every body who could bare a name that sounds northern could get a contract there, were all the contracts given out in PTF executed no way, people say he wasn't corrupt but the contractors were negligent in their jobs who are we to blame for that is it not the awarder of the contract, i put some questions there for anyone defending buhari to please answer, please Buhari is no saint either with his antecedents as a military dictator and draconian rules i think he is worse off than Jonathan

@ Truly & dede1,
You guys are indeed true Nigerians who would back up every statement they make with facts. I duff my hat for you both and everyone else who is seeing GEJ for what he realy is.


@ babasoty (and the rest of you GEJ praise singers),
I have no problems with you and other guys going out of your way to support GEJ. It's natural that you'll find pple on different sides of a fence. However, I have asked you guys to prove that GEJ is performing by sharing with us hard facts.

GEJ was in deputy governor in Bayelsa for about 3 years and the Governor of the same state for about 14 months, can you please itemize his achievements during these periods?
GEJ was VP to UMYA for almost 3 years and has also been the substantive President for almost 9 months, kindly outline his achievements?
As asked by Truly earlier, if you believe GEJ is not aware of his wife's pilfering ways, then I bet you'll believe Nigeria's flag is not "Green -White-Green" .
I wonder how a man who has no control over his household can control a whole nation, particularly a complex nation like ours!

If you can provide hard facts and figures to my questions, perhaps some doubting Thomases like myself, Truly & dede1 would join your GEJ praise singing band wagon.

On Buhari, you keep echoing corruption without basis. Besides Fela's loud singing, what else have you. BTW I cannot sincerely remember when (if ever) Fela's word have become sacrosanct as the whole truth that will hold much weight in any court of Law in 9ja.

I still stand by my words (unless convince otherwise with hard facts and not unfounded sentiments), amongst the lot, Buhari is the saint, !

Fela sang loudly - is that evidence? Do you remember Tai Solarin and Ebony magazine. Did Tai Solarin's read that story in Ebony magazine
Of course, we can use it in a whispering campaign against now if the person is contesting
How come Obj did not use this matter to campaign against Buhari in 2003 and 2007
How come the Kolade panel that Obj set up shortly after assuming office in 1999 never mentioned it

You really expect me to believe that a minister can move a  REFINERY under a military government? P-l-e-a-s-e

The 53 suitcases were not related to Buhari. He has asked people to go and ask Atiku who was the customsman on duty on that day to explain

Why did he ship Dikko in a crate and left Adisa Akinloye alone?

How did previous governments tackle hoarding?

He did not murder those guys - they were trafficking in cocaine
Singapore, malaysia, China etc still excute drug pushers today
 and one of the reasons why a chinese can bring 450kg of cocaine to Nigeria
 and Wunmi would be fined N1m for cocaine trafficking and Tochukwu was executed in Singapore for being an innocent carrier

TT and NI did not report the exact truth
Agreed, decree 4 was harsh but remember that due to the false allegations made by journalists against him, he was nearly court martialled

and you are using the same false allegations today
(as an aside if you get close to journalists some of them would confess to you their atrocities)

It is nonsense to queue at bus stations, but you are praising it now that Fashola is doing it with BRT (honesty?)
Running after buses, shoving and picking purses in the process was a better alternative?

Please let us be honest Nigeria could not afford meal subsidies when Buhari took over
evidence - Awo wrote to Shagari about the dangerous economic situation in 1980; shagari said it was a lie
Shagari faced up to reality in 1982 by passing the economic stabilisation act into law - it introduced austerity measures
Buhari came into power in Dec 1983; things had gone worse - please ask people

Buhari appointed credible people into office
Tam David West was Minister of petroleum, and he championed counter trade to avoid the opec quota constraints
Nigeria was spending 42% of earnings on debt service. He did not take the loan - please remember
How much would have been left for meal subsidies and such things.
(BTW and I know that GJ is trying to remove fuel subsidy while people say we can afford it. The argument is stronger now for retention of the subsidy given the % of national budget that go to legislature and executive)

Remember that it took 23 years later for Obj to eventually get the debt problem out of the way in 2006
Note that GJ is beginning to pile up debts again

The irony of all these is that there is always somebody to praise the government in power

You have said nothing was done in the power sector in the past 7 years
Yet a lot of people were praising Obj 5 years ago

Now you are praising GJ
whose wife is very corrupt and greedy
who was trying to justify Iwu's work, claiming that he had conducted 2 credible elections with Iwu and only capitulated under US pressure
who has not done anything to take a firm stand against corruption

- number one kolade's panel was set up to investigate all decisions and contracts made by the abdulsalami government not the PTF, its scope did not cover the PTF  which buhari headed.
- about the 53 suitcases and buhari blaming atiku this was lifted from http://atikuforpresident2011.com/?p=120 [b]"Atiku was a Customs Officer for twenty years, rising to the rank of Deputy Director. While serving as a Customs officer in charge at the Murtala Muhammed International Airport Lagos in 1984, then came the infamous “53 suitcases” scandal belonging to the late Emir of Gwandu. According to Professor Wole Soyinka, who records, “Not only did Buhari dispatch his aide-de-camp, Jokolo…to facilitate the entry of those cases, he ordered the redeployment…of the Customs Officer (Atiku) who stood firmly against the entry of the contravening baggage” (The Guardian, Feb. 6, 2007, p2)." [/b], you see the version you gave was buhari's own now i'm giving you atiku's own which implicated buhari, come to think of it atiku was just a customs officer and buhari was the CIC, which was higher in heirachy, who would give the order,
- was shipping dikko in a crate a good thing, are you justifying kidnapping someone to face charges a better way to resolve dikko's corruption charges, we all saw the backfire it had on Nigeria's image and the image of Buhari as a violator of human rights
- TT and NI were highly rated journalists in Nigeria as at then, thank heavens u said the decree was too harsh not only was it, it was draconian and a method of curbing free press, IBB even had to copy it too
- Tam david-west is a die hard supporter of buhari even going as far as writing a book"  the 16 sins of buhari "where he tried as hard as he could to defend buharis decaying image but he failed in selling his image because Nigerians know better,

I am not praising Jonathan i am only saying lets give him a chance to work before we judge him.

@9ijaMan.

What is most worrying about GEJ is how , like Yar Adua and despite any populist noise/action, he will surely be "dead on arrival" due to the excess baggage he is carrying as I wrote on another thread (see bolded section):

Akwasi, you probably mean well for Nigeria and Nigerians but you need more knowledge of what is actually going on. There is no "cleaning exercise" going on at all. Jonathan is "more of the same" i.e he is no different to the insincere, duplicitous and corrupt leaders of old who have ruined Nigeria. There are a thousand examples I can used to illustrate this but a few important ones will suffice.

Currently Jonathan is using the EFCC (Nigeria's anti corruption agency) to hound some Governors who have failed to endorse his bid to become President yet the most corrupt Governors in Nigeria , from the South West region, are untouched simply because they have pledged support for Jonathan . Coincidentally the SW Governors , from Jonathan's Political Party, are also the most inept in the land . three out of four (Daniel, Oyinlola and Alao Akala) are regularly voted as the worst Governors in Nigeria by Nigerians !!!!! If Jonathan wins they win. Misrule everywhere continues. A decent man will not seek power he can only gain by mortgaging the future of Nigerians into ruinous hands . That is morally reprehensible and a mark of how Jonathan , at the end of the day, is just another opportunist. You cannot be sincere if you hound those who are doing well , even if they are corrupt, only to ignore those who have not done anyting for Nigeria and are even more corrupt tha those you are chasing . It is a political witch hunt and not any "cleaning execise" . We Nigerians see it from one Government to the next. We are sick of insincere corruption "wars" that leave the most corrupt in the land , by far , untouched !!!

I believe you know the case of Halliburton and that is why you speak of "cleaning exercise" . It is totally fake . It is a cynical attempt to play to the Gallery and impress the West while the biggest culprits in the saga (coincidentally the godfathers and allies of Jonathan) are totally unmentioned let alone marked down for trial !!! This is the biggest hint that those who are grotesquely corrupt will be free to enjoy their loot and further political relevance under Jonathan . This is why the worst leaders in Nigeria's history are all queeing up to "endorse" Jonathan . Their freedom and future 'chopulation' is asured under Jonathan. Read the report below to know more:

http://saharareporters.com/news-page/halliburton-hoax-jonathans-joke-corruption-trial?page=1

Did you know that Jonathan acceded to $150 million being spent on 4 Airplane for the Presidential fleet when said fleet is already bloated with planes that are relatively new ? This coming at a time when prudence is the watchword the world over because of the precarious global financial atmospehere !!!

Did you know that Jonathan has approved for almost 10 billion Naira to be spent on the 50th anniversary celebration of Nigeria when a financially responsible President should focus on an appropriately low key celebration that will refocus the attention of Nigerians to the sheer volume of work needed to be done for Nigeria to begin making serious progress? There is so much financial profligacy going on under Jonathan I would need to write four pages to fill you in on the real state of events !!!!

[b]Do you know that Jonathan is now the candidate of choice for all the crooks and corrupt hands that have ruined Nigeria from one Government to the other ? You cannot mean well for Nigeria if you want to gain power through the support of those who have always held us back !!! It is an age old system we Nigerians are tired of . Yar Adua became President because of the financial support of James Ibori , a grotesquely corrupt and wealthy former Governor.  Under Yar Adua the war on corruption died !!! Ibori was cleared of over 100 charges of corruption in a Nigerian court under Yar Adua !!! Now the same Ibori is will face court and certainly jail in the UK. His co-defendant , with far less to answer for and who will no doubt have being freed in Nigeria , have been jailed in the UK !!!! Because of James Ibori Nigerian gained the most corrupt Attorney General in its history (Aondoakaa) and a shamelessly corrupt and compromised head of the EFCC i.e Farida Waziri !!!!
The problem for Nigeria is that while Yar Adua had a few James Ibori to satisfy , Jonathan literally has thousands !!! Can you begin to see the implication for Nigeria ?

I think you get the picture better? Jonathan , for many reasons , will be a disaster for Nigeria . He is likely to be worse than Yar Adua IMO. Non-Nigerians may fall for his "window dressing" but Nigerians will not be decieved by his insincere actions. This would explan why non of the most respected Nigerians have come out openly to support Jonathan . His support base is largely limited to corrupt criminals , desperados seeking immunity from prosecution, polical jobbers, rented crowd and AGIP sycophants (any government in power ) who make a living pandering to the government of the day however worthless and clueless that Government is[/b] .

Jonathan can do something as drastic as changing all our service Chief in one fell swoop (in a throwback to the days of Military coups) yet he cannot intervene decisively in Ogun State where the gangster Governor , and now Jonathan's zonal campaign manager ,  (see below) is misruling the State as if it is a Country on its own not answerable to anyone !!!! Outrageous !!! Jonathan plays politics with everything and I can see a lawless Nigeria under his leadership . He is "more of the same".

He has callously decided to sidestep doing his job of presiding over Nigeria by dealing harshly and properly with Gbenga Daniel because he needs every electoral help he can get !!! We now see that Jonathan will ignore some very heinous atrocities being perpetrated by his 'helpers' that endangers our democracy and set totally unacceptable precedences everywhere.

We are waiting to start witnessing demented actions , that will surely go unpunished , from Oyinlola , Ala Akala, Oni et al. They all know they are "untouchables" who can act as they please' as long as they "endorse" our desperate President and back his inordinate ambition.


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-511565.0.html

Mr.President , we know you are distractively consumed with winning next years election but we still demand leadership on urgent matters. You have changed all service Chiefs yet , in a feeble attempt to deal with the criminal conduct of your SW campaign manager (Gbenga Daniel) , we are told  that your meeting with Stakeholders in Ogun State ended in a "stalemate" (see below) . A "stalemate" , with all due respect, is not good enough as it indicates that your Government is ready to accept outrightly condemnable criminal conducts from leaders who sit on your side of the fence !!!!! Your indecisiveness is reminiscent of the lack of effective action from relevant authorities you yourself were a victim of when some selfish individuals threatened the existence of Nigeria with treasonous actions while our former President was recieving medical attention in Saudi Arabia .

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-511565.0.html

Let us have a decisive resolution to the Ogun State debacle . your feet dragging over the issue is not at all instilling anyone with confidence that you are up to the job. Last time I checked Ogun was still a Nigerian State falling under your jurisdiction !!!!

http://www.saharareporters.com/news-page/criminal-politics-gbenga-daniel-now-runs-quasi-military-regime-ogun-state

Criminal Politics: Gbenga Daniel Now Runs A Quasi-Military Regime In Ogun State
Posted: September 7, 2010 - 19:02

By SaharaReporters, New York
Following two terms of office in which he impoverished Ogun State by milking it of almost all of its resources, Governor Gbenga Daniel has now embarked on desperate measures to militarize the state.

Yesterday’s purported removal of the Speaker of the state’s House of Assembly, Samson Tunji Egbetokun, by a tiny minority of nine members of the House has peaked months of criminal politicking in the state.  The State’s House of Assembly has 26 lawmakers, and the “removal” of the Speaker—in a ceremony beginning at 7 a.m., using a borrowed mace, and with only nine members—sounds like a civilian coup.

Before the removal of the speaker, Ogun State had already degenerated into a dangerous political expression where opposition figures complain about death squads.  The death, recently, of a top opposition politician, Dipo Dina, confirmed the dangerous nature of the governor of the state, known to be intolerant of opposition. Mr. Daniel is also known to be interested in raising N100 billion loan from the highly volatile Nigeria capital market.  That exercise would certainly mortgage the future of the state, as it would the state treasury in the hands of loan sharks in the form of banks waiting in the wings to take control of its purse for a prolonged period of time.

It is even more criminal that the governor would be leaving office in a few months. Sources knowledgeable about his tactics said his strategy is clearly to empty the state treasury before his departure from office. Further, Mr. Daniel would be buying himself political immunity by moving to the Senate, the same strategy that has helped shield his "retired" colleagues who were involved in large-scale looting of their states by the end of their term in 2007.

Gbawe:

Mr.President , we know you are distractively consumed with winning next years election but we still demand leadership on urgent matters. You have changed all service Chiefs yet , in a feeble attempt to deal with the criminal conduct of your SW campaign manager (Gbenga Daniel) , we are told  that your meeting with Stakeholders in Ogun State ended in a "stalemate" (see below) . A "stalemate" , with all due respect, is not good enough as it indicates that your Government is ready to accept outrightly condemnable criminal conducts from leaders who sit on your side of the fence !!!!! Your indecisiveness is reminiscent of the lack of effective action from relevant authorities you yourself were a victim of when some selfish individuals threatened the existence of Nigeria with treasonous actions while our former President was recieving medical attention in Saudi Arabia .

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-511565.0.html

Let us have a decisive resolution to the Ogun State debacle . your feet dragging over the issue is not at all instilling anyone with confidence that you are up to the job. Last time I checked Ogun was still a Nigerian State falling under your jurisdiction !!!!

http://www.saharareporters.com/news-page/criminal-politics-gbenga-daniel-now-runs-quasi-military-regime-ogun-state

@ Gbawe,
Ogun's debacle is not politically expedient for GEJ, hence you should understand why he'll ignore it. I hope all of GEJ's cronies on this thread can come up with an excuse for him on the Ogun state issue. GEJ is only concerned about himself alone and nothing else matters.
Politically he needs to replace the service chiefs:
[list]
[li]1. An Igbo COAS to raise the hopes of the South East
2. He needs service chiefs who'll be loyal to him in order to be able to rig the elections
[/li]
[li][/li]
[/list]

My dear brother, the guy is clueless so do not expect much from him.

~Bluetooth:

ok no problem. . .did buhari ever acted or thought of being a democrat ? If yes,why did he truncate shagari government ?

I hope you know that Museveni, Kagame, Mubarak are democrats. Are they not?
You remember the number of people who died in Ondo State in 1983 because NPN wanted to capture the state by force
And Oyo state, the fake policemen who were killing people in Ife and Ibadan

Were those democractic processes?
Democracy was made for people
I don't think anyone wants to be part of a democracy that resulted into large scale killing of people

How come virtually everyone welcomed the Buhari coup
Also remember that there were two issues - political and economic
- a crisis of legitimacy, large scale looting and harsh economic measures
Akinloye (NPN chairman) celebrated his birthday with a specially made champagne
Yet the country was undergoing austerity measures - in place since 1982

If you care to know, people often mutter these days (yes in 2010) about a Rawlings-like solution in Nigeria
in the face of the sums being paid our legislators
Even Ope Agbaje, BusinessDay columnist wrote about it
People see democracy as a means to a better life; not an end in itself - this is not sentiment
Let us see if people will not openly call for truncation of democracy, if our legislators continue to award themselves obscene benefits
in the face of severe hardship

I have always said democracy is not what we need in Africa and in 9ja in particular. We have wasted trillions on naira in the name of democracy with little to show for it, ! The politicians are far more corrupt than the military boys, !

truly:

I hope you know that Museveni, Kagame, Mubarak are democrats. Are they not?
You remember the number of people who died in Ondo State in 1983 because NPN wanted to capture the state by force
And Oyo state, the fake policemen who were killing people in Ife and Ibadan

Were those democractic processes?
Democracy was made for people
I don't think anyone wants to be part of a democracy that resulted into large scale killing of people

How come virtually everyone welcomed the Buhari coup
Also remember that there were two issues - political and economic
- a crisis of legitimacy, large scale looting and harsh economic measures
Akinloye (NPN chairman) celebrated his birthday with a specially made champagne
Yet the country was undergoing austerity measures - in place since 1982

If you care to know, people often mutter these days (yes in 2010) about a Rawlings-like solution in Nigeria
in the face of the sums being paid our legislators
Even Ope Agbaje, BusinessDay columnist wrote about it
People see democracy as a means to a better life; not an end in itself - this is not sentiment
Let us see if people will not openly call for truncation of democracy, if our legislators continue to award themselves obscene benefits
in the face of severe hardship

I asked you simple question and i want a simple answer. . .yes or no ?

~Bluetooth:

I asked you simple question and i want a simple answer. . .yes or no ?

What will the answer to such a question do to the discuss at hand? Will the answer make GEJ less corrupt or make more corrupt? BTW what's your definition of a democrat? Overthrowing a corrupt government does not make you any less democratic, if the people back you in such an attempt. When Buhari took over, he had the backing of the ordinary Nigerians, hence if I were to answre your question, he's more democratic than any of the zealots we currently have in power.

9ijaMan:

What will the answer to such a question do to the discuss at hand? Will the answer make GEJ less corrupt or make more corrupt? BTW what's your definition of a democrat? Overthrowing a corrupt government does not make you any less democratic, if the people back you in such an attempt. When Buhari took over, he had the backing of the ordinary Nigerians, hence if I were to answre your question, he's more democratic than any of the zealots we currently have in power.

Who were the ordinary nigerians that supported the coup ? Please i want to know and for the fact that a overthrown a civilian government made him monstrous than ibb that overthrown a military government.the bottomline still remains that Buhari does not respect any democracy.

babasoty:

- number one kolade's panel was set up to investigate all decisions and contracts made by the abdulsalami government not the PTF, its scope did not cover the PTF  which buhari headed.
- about the 53 suitcases and buhari blaming atiku this was lifted from http://atikuforpresident2011.com/?p=120 [b]"Atiku was a Customs Officer for twenty years, rising to the rank of Deputy Director. While serving as a Customs officer in charge at the Murtala Muhammed International Airport Lagos in 1984, then came the infamous “53 suitcases” scandal belonging to the late Emir of Gwandu. According to Professor Wole Soyinka, who records, “Not only did Buhari dispatch his aide-de-camp, Jokolo…to facilitate the entry of those cases, he ordered the redeployment…of the Customs Officer (Atiku) who stood firmly against the entry of the contravening baggage” (The Guardian, Feb. 6, 2007, p2)." [/b], you see the version you gave was buhari's own now i'm giving you atiku's own which implicated buhari, come to think of it atiku was just a customs officer and buhari was the CIC, which was higher in heirachy, who would give the order,
- was shipping dikko in a crate a good thing, are you justifying kidnapping someone to face charges a better way to resolve dikko's corruption charges, we all saw the backfire it had on Nigeria's image and the image of Buhari as a violator of human rights
- TT and NI were highly rated journalists in Nigeria as at then, thank heavens u said the decree was too harsh not only was it, it was draconian and a method of curbing free press, IBB even had to copy it too
- Tam david-west is a die hard supporter of buhari even going as far as writing a book"  the 16 sins of buhari "where he tried as hard as he could to defend buharis decaying image but he failed in selling his image because Nigerians know better,

I am not praising Jonathan i am only saying lets give him a chance to work before we judge him.

Obasanjo investigated PTF
The board of PTF was scrapped in 1999 and replaced by an interim management committee on PTF
This was headed by Dr. Haroun Adamu
Its remit

   * to ascertaining all monies accruing to and received by the fund from inception,
   * to ascertaining the state of all bank accounts operated for the whole period of its existence,
   * to producing an up-to-date comprehensive projects and programme report,
   * to producing a final report of assets and liabilities,
   * to uphold the sanctity of all contracts entered into by the fund, but review all contract agreements which are not in the best public interest and
   * to renegotiate cost of projects, programmes and or services to reflect the financial realities of the fund

You asked why Buhari placed Shagari under house arrest while Ekwumeme was jailed?
  the ethnic innuendo was unmistakable in your question and addresssed it by pointing out that
He crated a fellow northerner but left a southerner alone - so he is not such an ethnic bigot

As regards the issue of whether I support kidnapping? - let us face brass tacks here
 Was Dikko guilty of corruption or not?
 Was he hiding in the UK without any progress on the extradition application or not?
 Nigeria was under adverse conditions and the looters are thumbing their nose at us from abroad
Do I support it? I do - unequivocally. And Gani Fawehinmi did.

Was it kidnapping? No, it was self help effort to arrest a fugitive
If you stole N1m, can you run? If I did the same thing, I cannot run away -
  Nig Police is empowered to use reasonable force to bring suspects in
  Will bringing you in amount to kidnapping?
A Nigerian running from justice is a fugitive whether he is in Ogarra or in London
What is the difference between Ibori and Dikko?
Ibori had even been cleared of 170 charges by a court before a massive manhunt was launched for him
Why is Ibori on his way to the UK? Co-operation and extradition
Do you think if a Briton did the same thing, we would not have extradited him pronto
  If we were to get a way to bring  all the crooks in Abuja to a place where we can make them cough out what they have been stealing  since 1999, I would support it heartily
Please don't let allow these people to use some subterfuge to hoodwink us
   UK, Russia or US will snitch anybody who is important to them from anywhere in the world - that is reality

Do you think the press is really free in Nigeria? And do you know what a corrupt press can do?
Today everybody keeps claiming that Danbazzau deployed soldiers to the Airport without informing Johnathan
He has denied it and explained that the brigade of guards does not report to him - people still believe that falsehood
they followed it up by saying that the man said that he is only loyal to Yaradua
He asked that people should mention where and when he said it
They now kept quiet
Do you know what such do to to careers and lives - people are just accusing the man of high treason
Now that GJ is president I hope they will also believe that the BoG will also not report to the new CAS

About journalists being respected - do you remember the case of Azu of The Punch and the link to Reuben Abati?
Anyway, what do you think will happen if there is a serious false report about Johnathan?
Do you remember what Obj did to those guys who said he bought a Tokunbo aeroplane?

How did Tam David West become a die-hard supporter of Buhari?
He must have seen something in the man

Let me jog your memory, Buhari said his administration was an ofshoot of the Murtala/Obasanjo regime
They no longer see eye to eye

That means the guy can work with southerners - IG, Minister of Petroleum, NNPC GMD etc

~Bluetooth:

Who were the ordinary nigerians that supported the coup ? Please i want to know and for the fact that a overthrown a civilian government made him monstrous than ibb that overthrown a military government.the bottomline still remains that Buhari does not respect any democracy.

Ordinary Nigerians = students, market women, artisans workers etc
This is the truth
Go and check old newspapers

BTW your question - who is a democrat?
(a) A civilian who rigs election, amends the constitution to perpetuate himself in power - Obj qualifies eminently
(b) A former coup plotter who is now seeking office by democratic means

Eisenhower was Supreme Commander of Allied Forces - at this time he was a dictator
He went ahead to become US president

Answer = Democrat = B and Buhari qualifies

My own question - can you really trust GJ with (i) national treasury and (ii) the diligent prosecution of the corruption fight
Yes or no

And I'll add a few more questions too.
What are the achievements of GEJ since he's been in one form of government or the other since 1999?
Why has he turned away from settling the dispute in Ogun state when he's able to hurried retire the service chiefs?
How come the corrupt Gbenga daniels who's more of a dictator in ogun state is now GEJ's campaign coordinator in the south west, ?
What exactly is your expectation of a GEJ administration, ?

truly:


BTW your question - who is a democrat?
(a) A civilian who rigs election, amends the constitution to perpetuate himself in power - Obj qualifies eminently

BTW, GEJ qualifies for this slot as well 'cos he's bending PDP's constitution to perpetaute himself in power.

truly:

Ordinary Nigerians = students, market women, artisans workers etc
This is the truth
Go and check old newspapers

BTW your question - who is a democrat?
(a) A civilian who rigs election, amends the constitution to perpetuate himself in power - Obj qualifies eminently
(b) A former coup plotter who is now seeking office by democratic means

Eisenhower was Supreme Commander of Allied Forces - at this time he was a dictator
He went ahead to become US president

Answer = Democrat = B and Buhari qualifies

My own question - can you really trust GJ with (i) national treasury and (ii) the diligent prosecution of the corruption fight
Yes or no

Sorry to say,I'm not a jonathan fan at all. . .so would be pleased to answer my question since you now know that i'm not asking you those questions cuz jonathan is my favourite.
was there any time buhari acted like a democrat ? If yes,why did he truncate shagari government ?. . .i need just a yes or no not stories from you.

Has anyone noticed that Ringim just before promotion was in charge of the South East zone(zone 9) and what would you score his performance as AIG.

For me na "SOLDIER GO, SOLDIER COME"

~Bluetooth:

Sorry to say,I'm not a jonathan fan at all. . .so would be pleased to answer my question since you now know that i'm not asking you those questions cuz jonathan is my favourite.
was there any time buhari acted like a democrat ? If yes,why did he truncate shagari government ?. . .i need just a yes or no not stories from you.

It would really be useful if you read my posts
I have answered that question

However since you want just yes or no
YES - BUHARI has acted like a democrat

He contested elections
He went to court to contest the result when he was disatisfied
He accepted the court decision even though it was close 4-3 in favour of an incumbent president

I have demonstrated good faith in answering your questions
But you keep repeating it
Whilst you refuse to answer ANY question put to you

BTW - was Shagari such a democrat?
If yes, why did he arrest journalists and charge them for sedition
Why did he deport an elected opposition party member - Shugaba - without due process?
  Why did he use the police force to truncate the eleltoral choice of Nigerians

If you are not GJ's fan, who are you for?
If you are asking hard questions about Buhari, but not asking any about GJ, what is the effect
Bad press for Buhari, but neutral for GJ - is that being against somebody

BTW, the Nigerian people welcomed Buhari's coup

Sum1 is fighting 4 burhari, i was thinking if it was only northers we have in army,but i see today their is changings in our force .tanx to GEJ. Arrest onovo now or i do it myself.

Eboski:

Sum1 is fighting 4 burhari, i was thinking if it was only northers we have in army,but i see today their is changings in our force .tanx to GEJ. Arrest onovo now or i do it myself.

Nope it's not only northerners we have in the Army, but you may need to go back into the history of 9ja Army to be able to understand the workings of the Military. After the civil war, how many Igbos were left in the 9ja Army? While the South-westerners were busy sending their kids to schools to attain higher level of education, the Northerners sent theirs into the military. So tell me how you expect to have high ranking officers from other parts of the country when these guys have been in the military longer than other sections of the country, ?

Would he muster the guts to go a little futher; probe them?

Quote from omojand  
Commendable, kudos to GEJ. He has my full support.

However, I still think the police force needs an outsider (or a member of the lower
ranks) to turn things around. Everyone above AIG in Nigeria is currupt. They will not
make a difference.


Bring in transformational leaders like Ribadu.




The new IG is known as a man averse to corruption. I have interacted with low level police officers who served with him in bayelsa and all they said is that the man Rigim can never be corrupted by money, he was the first commisioner in Bayelsa who ensued that every officer got their right share of the christmas bonus always given out by govt, as AIG he never tolerated any CP bringing cash gifts to him as head of an accounts section cant really remeber wat d guy called it he never autorised sharing of unapproved monies or excesses, he is known to have dismissed a lot of officers for disciplinary breach without looking back, moeso he was not CP we Jonathan was gov but was wen Jonathan was deputy. was only assigned to Bayelsa to pick up Alams and make sure d state remains calm, just imagine if he had been involved in corrupt pratises with the gov, Jonathan has made anoda bold move.

For the guy whining that his maid can do better he should kindly enroll her in a party and campaign for her presidency, does he tink dat being president is abt wishful tinking

as usual,

some people would downplay the significance of the appointment

what people fail to forget is that the army chief is much more powerful than the chief of defence staff,

look at what dambazzau did to the jonathan, ridiculing him, deploying soldiers.

i bet u, the chief of defense staff, had no knowledge

truly:

It would really be useful if you read my posts
I have answered that question

However since you want just yes or no
YES - BUHARI has acted like a democrat

He contested elections
He went to court to contest the result when he was disatisfied
He accepted the court decision even though it was close 4-3 in favour of an incumbent president

I have demonstrated good faith in answering your questions
But you keep repeating it
Whilst you refuse to answer ANY question put to you

BTW - was Shagari such a democrat?
If yes, why did he arrest journalists and charge them for sedition
Why did he deport an elected opposition party member - Shugaba - without due process?
  Why did he use the police force to truncate the eleltoral choice of Nigerians

If you are not GJ's fan, who are you for?
If you are asking hard questions about Buhari, but not asking any about GJ, what is the effect
Bad press for Buhari, but neutral for GJ - is that being against somebody

BTW, the Nigerian people welcomed Buhari's coup

I guess the bolded sums up your position? You are simply here to blacken names for political reasons (immoral), rather than because you are convinced. That is a terrible shame.

9ijaMan:

And I'll add a few more questions too.
What are the achievements of GEJ since he's been in one form of government or the other since 1999?
Why has he turned away from settling the dispute in Ogun state when he's able to hurried retire the service chiefs?
How come the corrupt Gbenga daniels who's more of a dictator in ogun state is now GEJ's campaign coordinator in the south west, ?
What exactly is your expectation of a GEJ administration, ?

What do you expect him to do? Send in the army? Input like the above always comes across as contrived and lacking depth.
Jonathan has given Ogun state a 48 hour ultimatum to resolve their crisis and report back to him and he is meeting their leaders. So what do you want, that he drops bombs and sends in fighter jets to settle the argument in the state?

Conflict resolution is not a one day affair. Abeg, think of something that makes you look like you are at least putting some thought behind your words; dis one don fail!

Beaf:

What do you expect him to do? Send in the army? Input like the above always comes across as contrived and lacking depth.
Jonathan has given Ogun state a 48 hour ultimatum to resolve their crisis and report back to him and he is meeting their leaders. So what do you want, that he drops bombs and sends in fighter jets to settle the argument in the state?

Conflict resolution is not a one day affair. Abeg, think of something that makes you look like you are at least putting some thought behind your words; dis one don fail!

@ Beaf,
I would have preferred not to honor you with a response, but felt neutral forumites reading this thread may be misled by responses from people like you.

Since you "put so much thought behind your words" it requires no-brainer to figure out that you did not answer the questions about GEJ's past performances. It also does not require knowledge in rocket science to wonder aloud why all GEJ's campaign coordinators are (just like him) those who have done little or nothing in the years in office. Perhaps you need to lecture us more on putting thoughts behind words, and point out succinctly what the performances of the likes of Alao Akala, Liyel Imoke, Gbenga Daniel (and the rest of the poor performers) have been over their several years in office.

I also do not think it requires a PhD to conclude that all the foot soldiers (zonal campaign coordinators) of GEJ are a bunch of losers who have only used their years in office to loot the treasury of their respective states and hence enrich themselves. If GEJ has been so smart to assemble these idiots, after exhibiting so "much thought behind his actions", I wonder how he's reign will be.

On your shallow response about conflict resolution, how would GEJ have reacted if he does not need Gbenga Daniels to help him mobilize the South west? Your depth of knowledge about current affairs and politics can best be described as laughable, as it seems agreeable to you that GEJ can be preaching free and fair elections on one hand and tacitly supporting anarchy in Ogun state on the other. How else can you explain 9 legislators suspending 14 of their colleagues? I thought democracy is a game of numbers and perhaps in the books of people like you, 9 is a greater number when compared to 14. Yet the best Mr. President can do is to issue a 48 hour ultimatum. I wonder what he'll do next after the 48 hours elapses. I think I know already - he'll withdraw the statement!

9ijaMan:

@ Beaf,
I would have preferred not to honor you with a response, but felt neutral forumites reading this thread may be misled by responses from people like you.

Since you "put so much thought behind your words" it requires no-brainer to figure out that you did not answer the questions about GEJ's past performances. It also does not require knowledge in rocket science to wonder aloud why all GEJ's campaign coordinators are (just like him) those who have done little or nothing in the years in office. Perhaps you need to lecture us more on putting thoughts behind words, and point out succinctly what the performances of the likes of Alao Akala, Liyel Imoke, Gbenga Daniel (and the rest of the poor performers) have been over their several years in office.

I also do not think it requires a PhD to conclude that all the foot soldiers (zonal campaign coordinators) of GEJ are a bunch of losers who have only used their years in office to loot the treasury of their respective states and hence enrich themselves. If GEJ has been so smart to assemble these idiots, after exhibiting so "much thought behind his actions", I wonder how he's reign will be.

On your shallow response about conflict resolution, how would GEJ have reacted if he does not need Gbenga Daniels to help him mobilize the South west? Your depth of knowledge about current affairs and politics can best be described as laughable, as it seems agreeable to you that GEJ can be preaching free and fair elections on one hand and tacitly supporting anarchy in Ogun state on the other. How else can you explain 9 legislators suspending 14 of their colleagues? I thought democracy is a game of numbers and perhaps in the books of people like you, 9 is a greater number when compared to 14. Yet the best Mr. President can do is to issue a 48 hour ultimatum. I wonder what he'll do next after the 48 hours elapses. I think I know already - he'll withdraw the statement!

Still trying to comprehend what you typed but sorry all I see is jargons. No point made out of this lengthy write-up.

9ijaMan:

@ Beaf,
I would have preferred not to honor you with a response, but felt neutral forumites reading this thread may be misled by responses from people like you.

Since you "put so much thought behind your words" it requires no-brainer to figure out that you did not answer the questions about GEJ's past performances. It also does not require knowledge in rocket science to wonder aloud why all GEJ's campaign coordinators are (just like him) those who have done little or nothing in the years in office. Perhaps you need to lecture us more on putting thoughts behind words, and point out succinctly what the performances of the likes of Alao Akala, Liyel Imoke, Gbenga Daniel (and the rest of the poor performers) have been over their several years in office.

I also do not think it requires a PhD to conclude that all the foot soldiers (zonal campaign coordinators) of GEJ are a bunch of losers who have only used their years in office to loot the treasury of their respective states and hence enrich themselves. If GEJ has been so smart to assemble these idiots, after exhibiting so "much thought behind his actions", I wonder how he's reign will be.

On your shallow response about conflict resolution, how would GEJ have reacted if he does not need Gbenga Daniels to help him mobilize the South west? Your depth of knowledge about current affairs and politics can best be described as laughable, as it seems agreeable to you that GEJ can be preaching free and fair elections on one hand and tacitly supporting anarchy in Ogun state on the other. How else can you explain 9 legislators suspending 14 of their colleagues? I thought democracy is a game of numbers and perhaps in the books of people like you, 9 is a greater number when compared to 14. Yet the best Mr. President can do is to issue a 48 hour ultimatum. I wonder what he'll do next after the 48 hours elapses. I think I know already - he'll withdraw the statement!

I asked you a simple series of questions, but you seem to have totally missed their import in the rambling response above, here they are again with more emphasis in case you simply glossed over the salient points;

What do you expect him to do? Send in the army? Input like the above always comes across as contrived and lacking depth.
Jonathan has given Ogun state a 48 hour ultimatum to resolve their crisis and report back to him and he is meeting their leaders. So what do you want, that he drops bombs and sends in fighter jets to settle the argument in the state?

Now calm down, actually attempt to put in some thought, thoroughly consider your response, then rewind and come again.

Ibo man, CAS? everybody should stand attention with hands akimbo, I hear a marshal music from afar