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Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by MrPresident1: 9:49pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
Yoruba are Judah and Igbo are Benjamin, I said this a not too long ago. Judah and Benjamin are the tribes of Southern Israel. Yoruba behave with wisdom and discretion because they are the elde brother, while Igbo behave with brashness and boldness because they are the younger brother. 1 Like |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by nwanyionitsha: 9:58pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
LordCenturion:Animals living in covens feasting on human flesh and skulls have mouth to call others name. Smh. 2 Likes
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Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by nwanyionitsha: 10:01pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
IvarTheTerrible:Caliphate and emirate slaves feeling fly. Oya, enter your coven. 1 Like
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Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by nwanyionitsha: 10:05pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
neonly:See this odudunwa ne me nwa Ile nkita. 2 Likes
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Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by PAGAN9JA(m): 10:05pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
macof: Alright I didn't know about this angle to the story. Yes obviously whatever I said cant have been recorded , especially in the primitive state of recording history present here. Whatever I said belongs to pre-history and the times of human evolution into modern tribal groups which is why I lept reiterating that it has no bearing on the modern context. |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by neonly: 10:08pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
nwanyionitsha: Typical igbo boy always abusing anything Can you just prove me wrong instead of d abuse Well it seems it true abt what I post 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by Shinjitsu: 10:39pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
Ooni is mad let me teach him The Nri Kingdom in the Awka area was founded in about 900 AD in North Central Igboland, and is the oldest Kingdom in Nigeria. The Nsukka-Awka-Orlu axis is said to be the oldest area of Igbo settlement and therefore, homeland of the Igbo people. It was a center of spirituality, learning, and commerce. They were agents of peace and harmony whose influence stretched beyond Igboland. The Nri people's influence in neighboring lands was especially in Southern Igalaland and Benin kingdom in the 12th to 15th centuries Your stupid ooni should go and fix himself first before talking trash 1 Like |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by Guide777(m): 11:46pm On Apr 23, 2019 |
ademijuwonlo:You are right sis |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by Levi218(m): 7:00am On Apr 24, 2019 |
Olawalesmarter:This is it they take us as if we are still in the 1960s. They just keep on lying to us as if we are not wise and fools. 2 Likes |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by ademijuwonlo(f): 11:25am On Apr 24, 2019 |
PythonAmaka: That simply defines your mother's history of prostitution and carelessness... Guess your miserable, dirty,public toilet,public sperm dumpster and stinky mom who brought curse(you) into this world also forgot to teach you home training because you lack it.....A leave doesn't fall far from its tree. FYI, the fact that your mom gave birth to you from whoring doesn't mean other godly and hardworking women did the same . I can't just imagine the kind of home you come from .....Omo ti ko leko ....omoale to nhun daleru....atoko wa bale je, Omo ale jati jati....Omo ti ko niran! Enjoy your Nairaland fame since your real life is empty and your relevance starts and ends with Nairaland. I think all these have affected your brain and it is now malfunctioning....I would love to suggest you visit a psychiatric Doctor for therapy sessions, it ll do you a lot of good.I pity your shameful and lacklustre existence! I won't get in the mud with you because you are a pig and muddy water is your domain. You can continue to rave and rant but I ll no longer dignify you with my time. Oh, your uncontrollable spits and your curses are on you and your unborn generations. 1 Like |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by MrPresident1: 11:14pm On Apr 24, 2019 |
It is a fact that the Igbos and Yorubas are brothers, but the Igbo/Ugbo of the Moremi fame is not the Igbos of southeast Nigerian, it is the Ugbo of the Ilajes 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by MetaPhysical: 2:37am On Apr 25, 2019 |
PAGAN9JA: Ile Ife was a seat of NOK rulers and in their epoch it was not known as Ile Ife, it must have had its own name which is lost to us. The name Ile Ife was brought with Oduduwa when he settled from migration from East into the interior and he changed the indigeneous political government to a new order and then re-christened and initiated the rulers he met on ground to a new naming title prefixed with OBA. Those who use red in the ritual attire of their monarchy have ties to NOK. Those who use blue or white have ties to migrant stock. There is a lot of history left untold by narrators of Niger peoples. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by oaroloye(m): 6:42am On Apr 25, 2019 |
SHALOM! The IGBOS are descendants of ERI, the fifth son of GAD. . GENESIS 46:15-16. 15. These be the sons of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob in Padanaram, with his daughter Dinah: all the souls of his sons and his daughters were thirty and three. 16. And the sons of Gad; Ziphion, and Haggi, Shuni, and Ezbon, ERI, and Arodi, and Areli. THEY ABANDONED THEIR ISRAELITE BRETHREN IN ANCIENT EGYPT BEFORE THE EXODUS, AND CAME TO EAST NIGERIA. They knew NOTHING about YAHWEH GOD, nor MOSES, nor The TORAH. NO IGBO I have known has known anything about being a HEBREW ISRAELITE. |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by goalernestman: 3:22pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
oaroloye: And this Eri is the first king of igbo land? |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by macof(m): 5:42pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
MetaPhysical: The name Ilé-Ifè was not brought by Odudua The land from inception was called ife.. "ile" was added to the name like its typical to Yoruba cities Eg. Oyo-ilé, Èkó-ilé, Imesi-ilé This pattern is done using "ode" as well eg."òde-itsekiri", Ìjẹ̀bú-òde 2 Likes |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by goalernestman: 6:48pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
macof: Ile ife was give by Oduduwa just like Ile ibinu was given to edo by his son all those rest place you mention came into existance after Oduduwa not before Oduduwa. and also benin is an opposite meaning of Ife |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by macof(m): 8:32pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
goalernestman:You can believe what you want, I don't intend convincing anyone who has made up their mind on what to hold true But know that there is Ife oodaye, ife ooye, otu ife All terms referring to Ife And again I'll say, the "ile" was simply added to signify the land as a major city.. A reoccurring theme across yorubaland 1 Like |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by goalernestman: 2:50am On Apr 26, 2019 |
macof: this you mention was still after Oduduwa |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by MetaPhysical: 3:22am On Apr 26, 2019 |
macof: That sound believable. If I follow this explanation it would mean that "Ile" is not indigeneous to the NOK rulers in Ife but a foreign word donated to it. So in the indigeneous language, what does Ife mean? Till date Ife has been explained as a Yoruba word meaning expansion...but the NOK, a pre-Yoruba people were not expansionist like the Yorubas. So the word-phenomenon in IFE is true to type for the Yoruba but how do we make sense of it or explain it for their hosts? Furthermore, the concept and protocol of naming towns, in addition to the ones you listed, include "Ado", "Oke", "Ita", "Isale". If you inspect these words you will see they depict a geo- (or cardinal) reference in an urban setting. There are many words donated to English language from its Latin and Roman predecessors and which through the ages and their etymology had been corrupted or completely dislodged from its original root. URBAN is one of such words. OBA is the root word of URBAN. OBA is the lord of a large territorial domain in which we can find Ile, Ode, Ado, Oke, Ita, Isale, and so on.... In other words, the summation of Ile, Ode, Ado, Oke, Ita, Isale and on and on....is what we've accustomed in modernity to term URBAN. |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by Olu317(m): 7:55am On Apr 26, 2019 |
macof: Ife was ancestral link name to oshin-Elufin-odudua's group because, it is a word found in Ifa corpuses. Interestingly, ifa is verses of words of yoruba ancient ancestors, which were given to them by God,that is meant to heal,correct,encourage, seek the face of one's Creator etc.Thus, the man named Oshin and his group brought the language to the site renamed Ileife, which is the reason the construction of Opa Ornamiyan and Ogun obelisks represent their spoken language pictographs etc,which meant to be deciphered. Then Ile(land,),ere (muddy land) ,era (swampy land)etc are actual words from odudua group. No one actually know th name of ancient place called Ileife in Nigeria because it has gone with the whirlwind. Furthermore, the following are the meaning of OOdè : Oodè/Odè : it is ‘base' or foundational settlement. ‘Odè' : it is another settlement renamed as one's or clan's base which is outside ,the original homeland. Odè: to go out for an outing in another base. Cheers |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by PAGAN9JA(m): 9:52am On Apr 26, 2019 |
MetaPhysical: May I ask you where did you get the bolded information from? |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by goalernestman: 5:46pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
Olu317: Yes that what I told him that those ile came after oduduwa. But one thing is setting a word which have same meaning in both Benin and Yoruba. The word is Ile according to Yoruba account of Benin oromyan said Ile meaning run Ile ibinu I run out Edo says same word same meaning same just because you always want to believe oduduwa came from the sky you even neglecte a word that even has a meaning in your language. |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by goalernestman: 5:47pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
goalernestman: How can you say the Ile in Benin is run and your own Ile is not run. Yoruba too funny me |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by MetaPhysical: 7:52pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
PAGAN9JA: The knowledge of NOK with us in Nigeria is approximate. What I mean here is, NOK is the adapted name for the Terracotta civilization, it is not a truthful identity. In absence of the true identity NOK was used as a gap filler pending more revelations and precision in the field. Why NOK and not another name? The first discovery (involuntary) of terracotta heads happened in Jos during commercial mining activity. Researchers were interested and conducted controlled field examinations of the area and found more but without a pattern or story to tell. In NOK village (Southern Kaduna) they found heads that told a story, thus it was assumed the place was cental to the terracotta civilization. They named it NOK terracotta, or NOK civilization, making reference to the Gbagyi village of Nok. Since that founding and naming in NOK follow up studies found large stock of terracotta heads and in fact what appears to be terracotta arts and terracotta-based structstes in sub-terranean crypts in Ile-Ife. The digs in Ife were even more significant and reported as more refined, connecting to State Rulers. Terracotta heads were also found in Benin. These were said to be copies or duplicates of the Ife type. In all of terracotta digs and finds in Nigeria, none has yet to match the dimensions in craftsnanship, beauty and meaning as those of Ife, even though it was not the first to be discovered. What I wrote above is what we know, and like I said in that post you referenced a lot has not been told or rediscovered. Nothing should stop us from proposing theories that can further the provocation and knowledge of earlieat civilizations in Nigeria. Currently the seat of NOK civilization is vaguely described as the Niger-Basin trough....even when no terracotta treasure has been found anywhere outside Ife to give hints that a seat of civilization existed anywhere else. In contemporary works a declaration would have already been circulated and announced that due to preponderance of independently verifiable evidence, on surface, in topsoil and subterranean indicating that Ife had an old civilization and served as focal point for other communities in which terracotta was a central object of king worship and cultism and thus should be accepted as the seat of power and regal presence for that world order. The belief that Niger-Benue is seat of NOK power is old belief and static with no new results to validate it. The claim that Ile Ife is seat of NOK civilization is my own theory and approximation. Somebody approximated NOK to terracotta, why cant another person approximate the seat of its civilization to Ife? It doesn't have to be sourced to a reference or authority since the last authority is seriously in need of revalidations anyway. Egypt had two capitals, Upper and Lower Egypt. The Upper Egypt was in Djebes (close to Khartoum) and where the State and Sovereign power resided. The Lower capital was further up in the Mediterranean delta and close by Alexandria. Is it possible rulers of NOK had a similar arrangement? Could Niger-Benue valley been the commercial gateway and frontier capital and Ile Ife the sovereign state capital? To summarize on the knowns, 1. There is a pre-civilization, NOK. 2. The character of NOK is terracotta 3. The seat of NOK power is IFE So what material evidence exist, beside sculpted clay, to tell us those under the suzerainty of Ife NOK rulers....what ties them together? The color red is just one and probably the most obvious. In language the letter "G" ..or "IG" is also a common thread of identification. They are not necessarily a people of same stock but they all paid tax to Ife Kings and wore red costumes to signify or symbolize class in political/spiritual office. On their hats they bear feathers. |
Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by Olu317(m): 10:20am On May 01, 2019 |
goalernestman: I hope you won't quote me anymore on Oranmiyan because you people are ruled by a YORUBA Prince from Uleufe. Kindly go through the suppression of truth by Oba Erediuwa in 1979, after he had reenacted the Okiokpagha Treaty! Courtesy: Prince oba loye to the voice of Omo'ba Onijebu. RECENT LITIGATION BETWEEN OGISO DYNASTY AND ODUDUA DYNASTY RECENT LITIGATION BETWEEN OGISO DYNASTY AND ODUDUA DYNASTY IN BENIN KINGDOM The greatest undoing of a man is to deny his ancestral root over pride! So is the seemingly case of the descendants of the yoruba ruling class in Benin who tried so much to deny their historical link to Yoruba people by claiming odudua was an Ogiso prince who fled to ileife and became a king. Unfortunately the Ogiso dynasty,whose descendants are the Ogiamen have these evidence to share at the supreme court of Nigeria which clearly shows the power tussle between they, the descendants of Ogiso versus Oba Eweka1 of Benin land and descendants who are descendants of Oranmiyan from Ufe land, who are strangers in Benin and remained odudua descendants of Yoruba origin from UleIfe.... “The original history has it that the Ogiso group migrated from Ife forest land". Ogiso dynasty which ”initially belonged to Obatala controlled group, was successfully subjugated and subsumed to Odudua authority by the Royal Troupe from the ancient UFE land , led by Prince Oranmiyan in the then 11th/12th century." The case: There was a case involving the self acclaimed Ogiamen imperial Majesty , Rich Arisco Osemwengie JP OGISO FAMILY AND OBA OF BENIN TRADITIONAL COUNCIL,at the adoption of Briefs in the supreme court of Nigeria. Obviously one can clearly call it a dangerous sacrilegious display against the oba of Benin at the Supreme Court premises in Abuja. But whatever happened, every born descendants have right to protect their family heritage and dignity. At the Supreme court in Abuja; Justice Jimi Olukayode of Appeal Court in his Judgement in the Appeal Case No: CA/B/99/2016, dated Wednesday 16th Day of November 2016 ruled that : ‘It is my humble view that the Ogiamen of Benin Chieftaincy is one of the recognised instruments (M.S.L.N 37 of 1968). The Ogiso/Ogiamen Royal Dynasty stool came into existence in 9th century AD. 300 Years after, in 12th Century AD ,when Obaship was forcefully introduced by Ule Ufe via the MEMORABLE EKIOKPAGHA TREATY. In 1979,Oba Erediauwa singlehandedly and secretly used the instrumentality of government at his disposal WITHOUT the KNOWLEDGE OF THE ABORIGINE BENIN and consultation with THE GREAT OGIAMEN ROYAL FAMILY, which is provided for, under the provision of section 5(1) & (2) and section 27(1) of the traditional Rulers and chiefs Law of 1979 and section 36 of the constitution of the federal Republic of Nigeria in 1999 as ammended,included the Ogiamen Royal stool that has already been gazetted as a TRADITIONAL RULER(M.S.L.N 37 of 1968) by the Mid-western state of Nigeria into the repealed chiefs Law(Cap 37) of the traditional Rulers and Chiefs Edicts of 1979,FIVE MONTH after, he, OBA EREDIAUWA had REENACTED THE EKIOKPAGHA TREATY with OGIAMEN OSAROBO OKUONGHAE before the confirmation by the Edo state government as the new Oba of Benin kingdom, which only came to our Court 1,Benin City, in which our Majesty and chief Patrick Osabuohien,the oliha of utatan,Benin kingdom were charged for illegal installation and remanded to OKO PRISON for almost TWO months before both of them were allowed BAIL ,that led to the case in the SUPREME COURT. Inspite of this, the Appeal Court Ruled that the OGIAMEN ROYAL FAMILY: WENT TO SLEEP SINCE 1979 AND WOKE UP IN 2015,which is over 37 years after the cause of action arose. Went to sleep Indeed! For the action against the aborigine of BENIN AND OGIAMEN ROYAL DYNASTY which OBA EREDIAUWA KEPT SECRET TO HIMSELF ALONE SINCE 1979 ,which we did not know until September 2015 and again, the COURT of APPEAL ruled that the Ogiamen Royal Dynasty is therefore guilty of inordinate delay in bringing the action to ventilate their grievances. However, despite this pronouncement,the judgement of Justice Olukayode Baba and the letter WRITTEN TO US by Oba EREDIUWA, Ref:BTC/A7/3/Vol.1x/205, dated March 15th 2016 in which Oba EREDIUWA recognised UTANTAN ,BENIN KINGDOM AND OGIAMEN ROYAL STOOL GAZETTED (M.S.L.N 37 of 1979) as a DISTINCT ROYAL STOOL Thus,this confirmed that 1. That Oba Oba Erediuwa singlehandedly changed the law of midwetern state of Nigeria into the repeal chiefs law (cap37) of the traditional Rulers chiefs Edict of 1979, which was done five months after he,Oba Erediuwa had reenacted the Ekiokpagha Treaty. 2. Ogiamen Royal dynasty ,Utantan ,Bini kingdom is an autonomous Royal family, which is distnc from Oba of Benin 3. That the Ogiamen Royal dynasty ,Utantan Benin Kingdom is therefore the aboriginal Benin 4. That the Ogiamen Royal Dynasty ,Utantan,Benin Kingdom is the Oba's lessor; 5. That the Ogiamen Royal dynasty,Utantan,Benin kingdom is the authentic Ogiso dynasty 6.Confirm that the existence of the memorable Ekiokpagha Treaty that created the two Royal dynasties in Igodomigodo ,that is the Ogiamen Royal Dynasty as Utantan ,Benin kingdom and Oba Eweka1. Cheers |
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