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Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Hermes019: 2:19pm On May 12, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Bad guy, I swear if you be pastor ur female members go dey collect 1 Like |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 2:21pm On May 12, 2019 |
dpumppy:I am so surprised you've not come across: 1Cor 3:11-13: "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is." |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by GoodBoi1(m): 2:21pm On May 12, 2019 |
Agrogbeide:Salvation was provided through Christ. Did you automatically receive it? No. You had to consciously accept and be established in it Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Colossians 2:6-7 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith. You lose your salvation by choice, by choosing to rejects the salvation and teachings of Christ and choosing to live a sinful life As you can see in the later verse 2Peter 2:22 22 Of them the proverbs are true: A dog returns to its vomit,”[g] and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud. Agrogbeide: Paul was referring to the physical life here on earth and also the physical death not eternal life and second death Agrogbeide:Where did you see that they were never born again? This is Paul's message to believers, the Galatian church Gal. 5:16-21 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 2:23pm On May 12, 2019 |
An2elect2:I don't understand the relationship between your question and my post. Can you come out more clearly? |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by GoodBoi1(m): 2:25pm On May 12, 2019 |
Agrogbeide: God and read the parable of the prodigal son Luke 15:17-20 17 “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18 I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ 20 So he got up and went to his father. Luke 15:7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent. God is ready to accept us if we go back to him That's why Jesus Christ emphasizes that we forgive those that offend else God will not forgive us Matt. 6:14-15 14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. If you are "forever saved" and you don't forgive, how will God forgive you your sins 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by GoodBoi1(m): 2:27pm On May 12, 2019 |
Agrogbeide:The point I was trying to tell you is that free will exists in the physical and the spiritual realm. God made us in His image |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 2:28pm On May 12, 2019 |
Ayodehji202:Of course! If I claim have the seed of God in me and ai produce the fruit of satan, can my claim be true? |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 2:30pm On May 12, 2019 |
AngelicBeing:Has eternal life (present continuous) NOT will have eternal life! |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 2:31pm On May 12, 2019 |
hysteriabox:Thanks dear! Happy Sunday! 1 Like |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by femi4: 2:32pm On May 12, 2019 |
Yinyeon:So, what happened to Annanias and Saphirra 1 Like |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 2:34pm On May 12, 2019 |
hysteriabox:Very correct. But some see God as one who is waiting to catch us with our last unconfessed sin and then throw us into hell fire for lying about our age... After all, no liar will inherit the kingdom of God! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by GoodBoi1(m): 2:43pm On May 12, 2019 |
shadeyinka:When Christ taught how to pray, he taught us to pray for forgiveness, "...forgive us our tresspasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us;...". Scripture makes it very clear that God hates lies Proverbs 12:22 22 The Lord hates lying lips, but those who speak the truth are His joy. 1 Like |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 2:48pm On May 12, 2019 |
salt1:Please what specifically makes a Christian to loose his salvation? |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by SocialJustice: 2:48pm On May 12, 2019 |
Fran6ik:I am not your dear and saying Jesus only did partial salvation only shows how ignorant you are. You think if it is by works anybody will make heaven? You will also not make heaven. God is not a fool. |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by ejimatic: 2:54pm On May 12, 2019 |
I don't know where they got it in Bible.It disagrees with other Bible verses like Mathew 24 vrs 13......He who endures to the end will be saved. |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 2:56pm On May 12, 2019 |
stmichael001:Those who say once saved, you are eternally saved are not saying that once saved, you have a license to sin. No! But that's what you keep hearing. If anyone looses his salvation, it is impossible to restore such back to Faith. The Question is when does a person loose his salvation? |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by GoodBoi1(m): 2:57pm On May 12, 2019 |
"Once saved, forever saved" is just like "heaven helps those who help themselves". It sounds nice and can be backed by scriptural principles but it is NOT in the bible therefore christians should rather live by the scriptures 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 2:58pm On May 12, 2019 |
Agrogbeide:None will. They fear that if they agree with the doctrine, it's as good as license to sin being preached! |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by GoodBoi1(m): 2:59pm On May 12, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Choice. When you choose to live in sin after accepting and knowing the teachings of Christ. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by GoodBoi1(m): 3:01pm On May 12, 2019 |
ejimatic:Thank you. They should back it up with what the word of God says and not speak from their minds. It contradicts so many bible verses. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by MizyB(f): 3:02pm On May 12, 2019 |
What kind of salvation would God's salvation be if it isn't eternal? Saved today, unsaved tomorrow? Those who have believed in the sacrifice of Christ are saved completely, eternally and permanently because that was how God intended it to be and he gave his oath to that effect. Hebrews 6:17 Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath. Hebrews 6:18 God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged. Hebrews 6:19 We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain,(NIV) Works didn't save you, yet you claim works makes one lose salvation? If a believer still lies, steals or whatever, he only needs to understand his identity in Christ to stop yielding to his flesh. Once saved, saved forever! Salvation is relying on God, not on yourself! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 3:08pm On May 12, 2019 |
GoodBoi1:No one ever said God condones sin. BUT You are saying that what determines if we make heaven or not is if we confesed our last sin!? When did you think the prodigal son lost his sonship? |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 3:10pm On May 12, 2019 |
GoodBoi1:If a true child of God chooses to live in sin for two straight years and finally returned back to God with all sincerity. Would God accept him back? |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Charly68: 3:10pm On May 12, 2019 |
pressplay411:. It is the doctrine of the Nicolaitans ,Greek philosophy imported into the modern day theology. Once saved always save is a hoarse ,very farcical Matthew 7:21-22 [21]“Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. [22]On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your Matthew 7:23 [23]But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’ 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by GoodBoi1(m): 3:16pm On May 12, 2019 |
shadeyinka: I never said that. The bible says we should forgive others so that God will forgive us too when we ask for forgiveness. We can be saved but if we tolerate a sinful lifestyle we can miss our inheritance. The prodigal son was still a son but he choose a sinful lifestyle before going back to the Father who accepted him. God is ready to accept us if we repent and go back to him. It is us that will choose to go back or remain in sin 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by hope4life: 3:18pm On May 12, 2019 |
shadeyinka: We Baptists believe in it.Once saved,always saved or perseverance of the saints or eternal security. People.misunderstand it.What it simply means is that once a person is tryely born again,Christ has power to save the person to the end.As far as Christ is concerned He has power to save you to the end as long as individual abide in him.John 10:28'And I give unto them ETERNAL LIFE; and they shall NEVER PERISH, neither shall any man PLUCK them OUT of my hand'.It now depends on individual. No genuine Christian will deliberately go on sinning I John 3:9 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by duality(m): 3:20pm On May 12, 2019 |
Yinyeon: I didn't want to post anything until I saw your last paragraph. Read the story of the ten virgins in Matt 25. Note, they were all virgins. But in VS 12, it was stated, I know you not. Look, it's this your interpretation that will take you far away from God. I've addressed this issue many times. I don't have time to stress myself over false teachings of the last days, with the obvious agenda of taking away God's consciousness from the heart of many. Soon, the preachers will tell you, it's not necessary to do things that pleases God 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by GoodBoi1(m): 3:21pm On May 12, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Yes God will accept him back because 1Timothy 2:3-4 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. From the scriptures this happened several times between God and the Children of Israel |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 3:23pm On May 12, 2019 |
hope4life:Of course you are right. But what they hear is "once saved it doesn't matter how you commit sin, you are still saved" If I am thistle can I bring forth grape fruit? |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by duality(m): 3:23pm On May 12, 2019 |
hope4life: Judas was saved, was he saved to the end? |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by salt1: 3:24pm On May 12, 2019 |
shadeyinka: The energy with which you argue makes me not feel like replying you. It's not the vehemence of your argument that makes you right. Now listen and listen very well. The only thing that separates man from God is sin. Even if you have experienced the joy of salvation like David and you, of your God given freewill, go back to sin, you're no more a Christian. 1John 1:9 says he that is born of God does not commit sin, for His seed remains in him. If a saved person backslides into sin and doesn't repent and forsake it, if he dies in his sin, he can't appear before a holy God. Grace is not a cloak for covering evil. He that does righteousness is righteous. God's grace empowers you to live right. I know I'm wasting my time with you because Oyakhilome has taught you differently. Search the Bible. If you like. Otherwise, go ahead and believe whatever you will. See you at the pearly gates |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Nobody: 3:25pm On May 12, 2019 |
shadeyinka:GRASS MESSAGE is a License to sin but GRACE MESSAGE is a license to live a Holy life. If anyone finds comfort in sin is either that person is hearing or heard Grass message or simply not Born Again. I once was against this "perfect doctrine" until I went back to the scriptures and discovered things for myself, what most Christians parade as knowledge is hearsay, what their fellow brethrens or prophets told them, majority of them have not really gone back to the drawing board of salvation and observe things with their own eyes hence, useless doctrines, different sects and denominations among those who claim they have ONE AND SAME HOLY SPIRIT. You can imagine the trash. If good works was not good enough for salvation it won't be better to sustain salvation unto eternal life. Christ did not waited for good works before he died on the cross, BUT WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS CHRIST DIED FOR US AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. ONCE SAVED IS FOREVER SAVED. |
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