johnydon22:


No, i am not. I'm simply saying, Religion and scienxe were once indistinguishable from one another.

There is no need for long write-ups, it is a simple observable historical fact as shown on the examples above; Egyptian, Sumerian or even traditional Igbo religion

budaatum:

"Believing" is precisely what should not exist! People can be taught to 'know' instead by diligently checking their beliefs. That is the reason that religion, the teaching of what to believe, has evolved into education, the teaching of how to use one's God given brain to check the validity of one's beliefs.

johnydon22:

A lot of religions teach Afterlife actually,

malvisguy212:
take away religion and the ONLY source of knowledge will be science,

johnydon22:
Religion: A system/Institution of belief, worship or rituals



A lot of religions teach Afterlife actually, even ancient Egyptian religions is credited with the original idea for judgement after death which Christianity borrowed heavily from when formulating their doctrines.

Even Igbo Traditional Religion also believes and reaches the concept of life after death.

frank317:



It seem u quoted me just to teach me what Christianity is all about. I don't know what u expect me to do with that.

Is his tread about what Christianity is all about?

Well, I see one loving his neighbours as himself as a good thing... If this is not a good thing to u, I dont know what being good means to u.

johnydon22:

I only disagree that without religion, what do we live for? Yea, a lot actually, we live for a lot without religion.

Shepherd00:

Alright then. I quit. I won't talk about Religion in general. I'm a Christian and that's what I'd talk about.


Godbless

johnydon22:
Christianity is a religion, so you can still answer the question with christianity as your main point. the premise remains the same.

Shepherd00:

No, because your atheist brothers will shit over my answers with some shit like, which god are we talking about? Vishnu or allah and all the other gods?

If anyone asks a question that bothers on Christianity, I'll answer on that bases.

hayoholla:
Johnnydon, I think in my own view, we should ask which started first, religion or science?

budaatum:

Actually, Genesis 1 was primitive humans' 'scientific attempt' to explain what they observed with their senses, which is what science is. We today, standing on the shoulders of those early primitive giant 'scientists', are just way too arrogant (or most likely too stupid) to understand what they began and clearly informed us to keep on doing..
Exactly my point. I do not subscribe to any religion, but take it or leave it, earliest human were scientists the way they can be or biologically put, the way their brain afforded them to be. They set the precedent.


Or would you like to argue that "[i]Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground" is not very clear instruction to do science and be blessed?

budaatum:

Actually, Genesis 1 was primitive humans' 'scientific attempt' to explain what they observed with their senses, which is what science is. We today, standing on the shoulders of those early primitive giant 'scientists', are just way too arrogant (or most likely too stupid) to understand what they began and clearly informed us to keep on doing..
Exactly my point. I do not subscribe to any religion, but take it or leave it, earliest human were scientists the way they can be or biologically put, the way their brain afforded them to be. They set the precedent.

Or would you like to argue that "[i]Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground" is not very clear instruction to do science and be blessed?

budaatum:

Actually, Genesis 1 was primitive humans' 'scientific attempt' to explain what they observed with their senses, which is what science is. We today, standing on the shoulders of those early primitive giant 'scientists', are just way too arrogant (or most likely too stupid) to understand what they began and clearly informed us to keep on doing.
Exaactly my point. I do not subscribe to any religion, but take it or leave it, earliest human were scientists the way they can be or biologically put, the way their brain afforded them to be. They set the precedent.

Or would you like to argue that "[i]Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground" is not very clear instruction to do science and be blessed?

hayoholla:

Very well said. Though, I think the religion being practiced today has been kind of watered down, hijacked by whoever or whatever organisation that wish to profit from it and lastly, it has being severely stripped of it scientific side and made into mere work of literature stoically followed by overly religious junkies.

hayoholla:
Johnnydon, I think in my own view, we should ask which started first, religion or science? During mans earliest time, there was a need to form a school of thought, kind of like a creed that encompass the moral, philosophical and scientific view of which earliest man must follow. Hence , the need for religion. But was it really religion, I don't know.

Then many concept easily explained away in science today was vaguely understand by them if I am right. The mentality of if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The Pandora box was yet opened. Also, I think the answer to your question may not be far fetched, if we have to consider and study human brain development for reasoning along the course of human civilizations. This makes me understand that atheism and its like are newer or recent concept, the moment human started to employ the use of logic and reasoning.

johnydon22:
Why?

calculator123:

the crisis, the issue we face in the world today all boils down to Religion. it has done more harm than good, it has killed our humanity and has made us believe one after world exist while neglecting to live fully in this present one..

johnydon22:
Yes, it was in fact religion. Ancient religion and science were inseparable from one another. Take for instance, in ancient Mesopotamia, when administering the medicine for tooth ache, you'd be required to recite a form of cosmological poem, it was short, but it began from recounting how the universe was created down to the worm that causes toothache - You can see how something as simple as curing tooth ache bears a largely profound spiritual, religious and cosmological significance to them.

Science in its raw form is simply a philosophy of nature, trying to understand the world. These ancient sciences did just that. When on high the heaven had not been named, Firm ground below had not been called by name,
Naught but primordial Apsu, their begetter, (And) Mummu†-Tiamat, she who bore them all, Their waters commingling as a single body;
No reed hut had been matted, no marsh land had appeared, When no gods whatever had been brought into being, Uncalled by name, their destinies undetermined—Then it was that the gods were formed within them.

The Enuma elis

This almost poetic short story up there, attempts to answer the same cosmological question big bang also attempts to answer today, the short comings and limitations around it is from its lack of methodical empiricism.

It is both setting the ground for the fundamentals of their spirituality and answering the question of how we came to be here. Only the priestly class held these knowledges or even studied to find out more, they charted the stars, read the clouds, observed planetary orbits and practiced what you could correctly identify as the beginning of every form of science we have today.

These two only differed in application, while modern science has come up with determined guidelines and methodology, this ancient methods was less methodical. Modern science is an open source pool, ancient science was mystic, assessable only to the priestly class.

Humans have always been reasonable beings - i am finding it difficult to understand what you mean by "moment humans started to employ use of logic and reason"

Shepherd00:

It's not. I wanted a foundation upon which to stand on. I can't go talking abt other religions when all I know abt them is like a man looking through a stained glass. I'd rather talk abt what I know which is Christianity.

If you acknowledge Love for Ones neighbor, then you acknowledge that what you see today in our society is not a true reflection of Christianity, hence, shd not be used as model to judge what it is.

frank317:

Why do we waste our time claiming we practicing what we know we cant do.
Let's just abolish it an face reality.

johnydon22:
LOL, we just agreed that you should make Christianity your focal point, whoever asks you such questions as above, we can both agree would be idiotic.

budaatum:

But we can practice it, if we but tried harder! And if we see a need to.

frank317:


Yes, if we see a need to... Right now I see no need to.

dizon:
Without religion, there would be no morality and the world would just be a messed up place filled with messed up human beings

Heathen777:


Not necessarily, different religions have different moral guidelines, and sometimes even condoned unethical practices (read Lev 25: 44 - 46)


Some religious groups would claim their religion is the the truth, but this is to be no more believed than a citizen thinking his nation is the best, because when you are born and raised in a certain group or society, you'll be biased towards it and blind to the inconsistencies and faults surrounding whatever beliefs they hold true.

Heathen777:


Not necessarily, different religions have different moral guidelines, and sometimes even condoned unethical practices (read Lev 25: 44 - 46)

dizon:
Without religion, there would be no morality and the world would just be a messed up place filled with messed up human beings