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Jesus Drank Alcohol. A Fact From The Bible by LogicStatement: 7:47pm On Jul 22, 2019 |
Jesus Drank Alcohol. A Fact From The Bible Jesus drank alcohol; so says the Holy Bible. But before you cast a stone at me, take your time to read and meditate on the scripture below: For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon'. The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners"'. But wisdom is proved right by her actions". Matthew 11:18-19 From the above, we see that Jesus was accused of being a glutton, a drunkard and a friend to sinners... Why? Simply because they saw him eating, drinking and chatting with sinners... But what exactly was he actually eating and drinking that made them to call him a glutton and a drunkard? The answer is in the names they called him... A Glutton and A Drunkard First, we have to know who a glutton is and who a drunkard is. WHO IS A GLUTTON AND WHO IS A DRUNKARD? * A glutton is a person who eats too much of food and * A drunkard is a person who drinks too much of alcohol (not water) TAKE NOTE OF THE KEYWORDS Now, I want you to take note of the keywords used for each term: * FOOD for GLUTTON, * ALCOHOL for DRUNKARD From the above, we see that before a man can be labeled a GLUTTON, he must have connections with FOOD. In the same way, for a man to be called a DRUNKARD, that man must have something to do with ALCOHOL (and not water, since a drunkard refers to a person who drinks alcohol). PLEASE NOTE: I can't call you a drunkard simply because you drink water. I can only call you a drunkard if I see you drinking alcohol; whether little or no little. The fact that you drink alcohol is enough evidence for religious fellows to call you a drunkard. I hope you got that! Mind you, those who called Jesus a drunkard were the Pharisees and the Sadducees, highly religious people. The fact that they called Jesus a glutton shows that they saw him eating food. In the same way, they couldn't have called him a drunkard if they didn't see him drinking alcohol. Note Again: the word drunkard does not refer to a person who drinks water or soft drinks. After all, Jesus turned water into wine ( John 2:1-11). The Greek word translated wine here is Oinos (fermented wine) and not flux (unfermented wine). Those who used to think that the wine here refers to a non-alcoholic wine have long been corrected. It is now clear that the original word used for wine in this context refers to fermented wine (alcohol) NOW LET'S GET THE BASICS RIGHT Is food a sin? Is it not when you eat too much of food that you become a glutton? In the same way, alcohol is not a sin. It is when you drink too much of alcohol that you become a drunkard. That is why it is said TOO MUCH OF EVERYTHING IS BAD The question now is, if Jesus did eat and drink as told in the Bible, was he really a glutton and a drunkard? That is, did he really eat too much of food and drink too much of alcohol? NOW YOU MUST NOTE THIS Jesus was a celebrity in his day and continues to be the biggest celebrity in our day. (John 12:12-13, 19, 20-22). As a celeb, there's hardly a thing you ll do that 'll b kept private. Every little thing you do is exaggerated by both fans and foes. This was the exact situation Jesus found himself. People exaggerated his person, his teachings and his acts; and this they continue to do even to this very day. But let's not go there now. But you may want to read one of my articles on religion... Just click on the link below Now back to the reasoning, If the personality of Jesus was actually exaggerated, calling him a glutton would actually imply that he was not really a glutton. It will only point to the fact that he did actually ate food in his sojourn on earth. And calling him a drunkard would imply that he was not really a drunkard; but actually, for a fact, he did drank alcoholic wine. This means, although Jesus drank alcohol, he didn't drink too much of alcohol to the extent of being a drunkard. And Although he eat food, he didn't eat too much of FOOD to have deserved the name a glutton. But because he was a famous person, anything he did was always on the news and foes were quick to exaggerate his issues just to dent his person. Jesus, in one or more occasions, might have been spotted eating and drinking with some tax collectors/agberos in a bar, restaurant, or any other public place. That was why the people were bold enough to call him a drunkard and a glutton. That could as well, have been the very reason they called him a friend of sinners... And of course, we all know that he was indeed a friend of sinners. In case you don't know, the tax collectors in Jesus' day are the same agberos we know today in our garages and bus stations. Now look at these people, and answer this question... Are they godly or worldly? I leave you to answer that yourself. But i want you to know that such were the people Jesus had as friends... Even to the point of making some his disciples... E.g Matthew the apostle When They Accused Jesus, What Was His Response? Jesus, a righteous man, didn't deny the fact that he did eat and drink with sinners. But we all know that calling him a glutton and a drunkard is only an exaggeration by his foes to tarnish his image. Jesus however corrected their notion. He told his accusers that wisdom is justified by her actions. He went further to make them understand that it is not what goes into a man that defies the man, but what comes out.. ( Matthew 15:10-11) Unfortunately, this is where the world is getting it wrong? People tend to be more religious in what they eat than in what they do. I call them religion fanatics! They preach against what you drink yet their character is not even as clean as what you think. And then i ask such people, which of these do you think is more important: The things you do or the food you eat? Peter the apostle actually thought it was the food we eat that matters but God was quick enough to correct his error in the book of Acts 10:9-16... The same way, Jesus is correcting you today... Stop judging people by what they eat or drink... It is not what you consume that matters to your salvation, but what you do. Every man shall be judged, not according to the food he eats, but according to the things he does (Romans 2:6, 2 Corinthians 5:10, Rev.20:12). To this end, my dearly beloved reader, I want you to know that alcohol in itself is not a sin the same way food isn't a sin in itself. The drinking of alcohol and the eating of food is not sin either. It is when you eat too much of food and you drink too much of alcohol that it becomes a sin... This is what makes you a glutton or a drunkard... And this is what the Bible warns against. For example, the bible says eating too much of honey is bad. (Proverbs 25:16,27). This doesn't mean the eating of honey is bad in itself. I hope you got that! The point is, too much of everything is bad. Hence, We are admonished to be modest in everything we do... Apostle Paul, who was one of the firsts to be called a Christian because of how closely he emulated the lifestyle of Christ told Timothy to stop drinking only water but drink little alcohol... (1Timothy 5:23) Why? *For the stomach sake... And for his frequent illnesses...* Here, we see that alcohol is even medicinal and useful to the body just as food is to our body... But alcohol/food can be injurious to our health if consumed in excess... This is what scientists call abuse... And this is exactly what God frowns at... Thus, we are told to be modest in everything we do. TOO MUCH OF EVERYTHING IS BAD... HERE IS WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW: If the drinking of alcohol were a sin, Paul wouldn't have encouraged Timothy to drink... Above all, if the drinking of alcohol were a sin, Jesus the Messiah wouldn't have drunk with sinners even to the point of providing it for people at a party when the host ran out of wine.. (John 2:1-11) And because too much of everything is bad, Paul the apostle advised Timothy to drink but little... Thus, in Ephesians 5:18, Paul explicitly discouraged the drinking of excess alcohol... Note: He discouraged the drinking of excess alcohol And not the drinking of alcohol MAJOR POINTS TO NOTE * There's nothing wrong eating food, but don't eat too much. This is what will make you a glutton and a sinner * There's nothing wrong drinking alcohol. But don't drink too much. This is what will make you a drunkard and a sinner What Am I Saying And What Am I Not Saying? I'm not cajoling you to start drinking alcohol... Neither am I asking you to stop... I'm only telling you that the drinking of alcohol is not a sinful act as you were made to believe by your pastors and Bishops. And now, this is not a yardstick for you to start abusing the use of alcohol... Remember, too much of everything is bad and this applies to everything you do in life... Selah! Deepest Thought: Have you ever wondered why they gave Christ soured wine when he actually told them he was thirsty? ~ John 19:28-30 [img]Jesus Drank Alcohol. A Fact From The Bible https://www.modernghana.com/amp/news/935544/jesus-drank-alcohol-a-fact-from-the-bible.html 1 Like
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Re: Jesus Drank Alcohol. A Fact From The Bible by Anas09: 8:04pm On Jul 22, 2019 |
The Bible never condemned drinking alcohol, what it condemned is drunkenness. Well, I don't know how the Church got to outrightly condemn drinking, but no one mwntions Gluttony. The sin of Gluttony is at the same level with drunkenness. Eating is not a sin, Gluttony is. So also, drinking is not a sin, but drunkenness is. If we must outrightly condemn drunkenness, then we must also outrightly condemn eating food. Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Everything shd be done in moderation. 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Drank Alcohol. A Fact From The Bible by judgementyard(m): 11:24pm On Jul 22, 2019 |
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Re: Jesus Drank Alcohol. A Fact From The Bible by judgementyard(m): 11:25pm On Jul 22, 2019 |
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Re: Jesus Drank Alcohol. A Fact From The Bible by RandomGuy48: 5:27am On Jul 23, 2019 |
Anas09:I agree that it is drunkenness rather than drinking that is sinful, but I still think there is good reason to drink as little as possible. Back in biblical times, it was a whole lot harder to get drunk than it is now. Wine was more expensive, harder to get, and perhaps most importantly, generally less intoxicating. Not only is wine more intoxicating now than it was then, we also have things like rum and vodka readily available (and cheap!), which are much more alcoholic than wine. If we had such strong admonitions against drunkenness in the Bible back when it was a lot harder to get drunk, we should be even more careful nowadays. |
Re: Jesus Drank Alcohol. A Fact From The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 10:14am On Jul 23, 2019 |
Anas09: The Bible never condemned alcohol? Perhaps you think every mention of the word wine means alcohol. So when you see Jesus turn water to wine, you actually think it's alcohol spoken of, not fruit juice. There are tonnes of verses against alcohol. The Bible even. says we shouldn't even look at it talkless of drinking it. The below passage of the Bible describes alcohol and says we shouldn't even look at it. The passage also describes the exact same thing that happens when one drinks alcohol: You start to admire strange women, say junk things, stagger and feel awkward. Yet you fools think that's the drink Jesus gave people to drink at the Cana wedding. I'll write a sermon on Alcohol soon. Proverbs 23:31-35 31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. 32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. 33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. 34 Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. 35 They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again. |
Re: Jesus Drank Alcohol. A Fact From The Bible by paxonel(m): 10:20am On Jul 23, 2019 |
WHAT IS WRONG IN DRINKING ALCOHOL? |
Re: Jesus Drank Alcohol. A Fact From The Bible by Anas09: 12:24pm On Jul 23, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:No, Albagadi, the tones of verese you are referring to are against drunkenness, not alcohol, as the Jews actually had a particular Tithe paying which after it was done, they ate and drank alcohol in the Temple. But, I will not stoop to your level to banter words, reasons being that, You have no manners. You are uncourth and your speech is Unchrislike. Off, you've gone calling us fools. What a guy you are. So, as much as I have all the Bible to prove to you that God is not against alcohol but drunkenness, I will not. I don't have time for people who cannot tame their tongues. Go deal with your bad manners. 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Drank Alcohol. A Fact From The Bible by Anas09: 12:47pm On Jul 23, 2019 |
RandomGuy48:Yes. Drink as little as possible is what moderation is all about. It's actually good for health. Everything done in moderation is good for health. Sugar in moderation, salt, in moderation. Food, in moderation. Too much of everything is bad. RandomGuy48:I won't agree with you on that. Reasons being that, Wine was easily gotten then, than it is today, because, everyone was a farmer then. Their's was an agrarian society so everyone had a farm and many people had vine yards and planted grapes or Vines. (Read Jesus and you'd see him making references to Vines and Vineyards) All that was needed was for the grapes or Vines to be fermented and alcohol is derived. The only thing you'd say is, technology has refined these drinks better than it was back then, but alcohol was even more crude and stronger then than it is now. Now, the percentages can be ascertained per bottle, but back then, it couldn't. RandomGuy48:I will liken what alcohol was back then and now with how our locally made medicinal herbs today. Our herbs are good for treating ailments, but no dosages to determine how these herbs shd be administered, so can lead to drug abuse. Alcohol then was more crude and unrefined then it is today. Today, pick a bottle of Vodka and check the Percentage, it's written theen. Pick a bottle of Campari the same. Check Lambrosco, the same, check other brands, their percentages are there. These tells you how far you can go. If you want o be moderate, you know how far to go or what brans to take. Bottom line, alcohol today is better thannit was then. RandomGuy48:The Bible never admonished that people didn't drunk alcohol, it admonished that they don't get drunk. Why isn't any one admonishing against eating too much food? Why only alcohol? |
Re: Jesus Drank Alcohol. A Fact From The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 1:12pm On Jul 23, 2019 |
Anas09: Do you know why I call your kind fools? You never check facts before you jump into conclusion. You have even displayed foolishness in your post which says the Bible didn't speak against alcohol but drunkenness. Look, the below passage says we shouldn't even look at alcohol talkless of tasting it and getting drunk. Yet you say we can drink what the Bible says we shouldn't even look at. Proverbs 23:31-35 31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. 32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. 33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. 34 Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. 35 They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again. You also say strong drink is encouraged in the Bible because that was part of the tithe the children of Israel were to bring to the temple. I believe the verse you are referring to is the one below. Deuteronomy 14:26 (KJV) And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, First and foremost, where in the entire verse does it say they drank the strong drink? Oh, because you saw "thou shall eat there" you now think it also means "thou shall drink"? Have you ever heard of drink offering? That strong drink is not drank by anyone but poured out on the burnt offerings offered to God. Exodus 29:41 "The other lamb you shall offer at twilight, and shall offer with it the same grain offering and the same drink offering as in the morning, for a soothing aroma, an offering by fire to the LORD. Numbers 6:17 'He shall also offer the ram for a sacrifice of peace offerings to the LORD, together with the basket of unleavened cakes; the priest shall likewise offer its grain offering and its drink offering. Numbers 28:7-8 'Then the drink offering with it shall be a fourth of a hin for each lamb, in the holy place you shall pour out a drink offering of strong drink to the LORD. 'The other lamb you shall offer at twilight; as the grain offering of the morning and as its drink offering, you shall offer it, an offering by fire, a soothing aroma to the LORD. 1 Chronicles 29:21 On the next day they made sacrifices to the LORD and offered burnt offerings to the LORD, 1,000 bulls, 1,000 rams and 1,000 lambs, with their drink offerings and sacrifices in abundance for all Israel. Leviticus 23:13 'Its grain offering shall then be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering by fire to the LORD for a soothing aroma, with its drink offering, a fourth of a hin of wine. |
Re: Jesus Drank Alcohol. A Fact From The Bible by LogicStatement: 1:22pm On Jul 23, 2019 |
Anas09:You even have time to respond to him, he's so uncouth! That's how people who are controlled by the flesh and sentiments think they understand the bible. That's how they mislead people with their own kind of doctrine that totally derail from the Bible |
Re: Jesus Drank Alcohol. A Fact From The Bible by Anas09: 1:50pm On Jul 23, 2019 |
LogicStatement:I'll ignore him henceforth 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Drank Alcohol. A Fact From The Bible by CaveAdullam: 2:21pm On Jul 23, 2019 |
Anas09:very sacrosanct madam Anas09. 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Drank Alcohol. A Fact From The Bible by alBHAGDADI: 3:24pm On Jul 23, 2019 |
LogicStatement: You can do well yo bring your own understanding of the Bible here for all to see whether it's right or wrong. Oh, I see that you are the OP. Your post is totally false. Jesus never drank alcohol in moderation neither did he get drunk. You have taken the words of his critics as fact. His critics were only falsely accusing him of what he's not, same way they falsely accused John the Baptist. John the Baptist wasn't eating and drinking, but you mistook it to mean he wasn't a glutton and wasn't drinking alcohol. No, he wasn't eating normal food. His food was locust and wild honey. Mathew 3:4 And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey. John the Baptist ate locust and wild honey and not normal food. This made those false accusers say he was demon possessed. That's a false accusation. Jesus came eating normal food and drinking, but you mistake it to mean he was a glutton and the drink he had was alcohol, so therefore the critics were right to call him a drunkard. No, Jesus never drank alcohol nor had anything to do with it. Clearly, John the Baptist didn't eat and drink normal food. Those critics who didn't like his message gave an excuse to reject his message by saying he must be demon possessed because he wasn't eating and drinking normal food. Okay. Jesus came eating and drinking normal food, instead of them to accept his message, they also gave an excuse to reject it by lying that he was a drunkard and a glutton. Was John the Baptist demon possessed? No. Then why do you believe their account that Jesus drank Alcohol and was a glutton and drunkard. The reason why you believe their account is because you are a drunkard yourself, Mr led by the spirit. |
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