Nobodyperson:

Isn't that that the question you're supposed to answer?

Since by your logic, everything has a creator and it's impossible for something to come out from nothing.

It's your logic not mine.

You obviously haven't thought deeply about this matter.

Let's start from the basics, shall we?

How and where did life begin?

Where did everything come from?

ElsonMorali:


You obviously haven't thought deeply about this matter.

Let's start from the basics, shall we?

How and where did life begin?

Where did everything come from?

Let's not waste each others time.
I know where you're heading at.
"it's god"
No?

But you haven't answered my question.
If it's impossible for something to come from nothing then god must have a creator and That creator must have a creator and so on and forth.

I mean it's impossible for nothing to make something, right?

Nobodyperson:

Let's not waste each others time.
I know where you're heading at.
"it's god"
No?

But you haven't answered my question.
If it's impossible for something to come from nothing then god must have a creator and That creator must have a creator and so on and forth.

I mean it's impossible for nothing to make something, right?

I can see you dodging my logical questions.

I am only able to answer your questions only if you answer mine.

At least when you try to answer mine I'd know you've actually thought about the questions and I'm not wasting time too.

So, let's start from the beginning and logically follow it to its logical conclusion.

Let's start from your own perspective. God does not exist. Fine.

Where did life start from and how did it start?

Don't deflect by asking me the same questions again. I have come to your level that god doesn't exist. So answer my questions. I'm only out for the truth.

ElsonMorali:


I can see you dodging my logical questions.

I am only able to answer your questions only if you answer mine.

At least when you try to answer mine I'd know you've actually thought about the questions and I'm not wasting time too.

So, let's start from the beginning and logically follow it to its logical conclusion.

Let's start from your own perspective. God does not exist. Fine.

Where did life start from and how did it start?

Don't deflect by asking me the same questions again. I have come to your level that god doesn't exist. So answer my questions. I'm only out for the truth.

How did it all start?
The universe started from the big bang billions of years ago ( yes this theory is flawed but it's the only logical explanation as of now)

Where did life start?
Every organism you see around you started as a cell.
That's why cells are the building blocks of life even in the womb. We starts as cells.

You said you don't believe humans shared the same ancestry with apes?
Then tell me why we have tale bones.
Why are there fossils that shows there were at least 15 other humans 200,000 years ago.

Some humans have even being born with tails ( every human has a tail as a fetus but we later lose it within the womb).

That's how the everything came to how it is.
It just took billions of years of chemical reactions/ combustion and genetically modified body parts and evolution to reach here.

Nobodyperson:

How did it all start?
The universe started from the big bang billions of years ago ( yes this theory is flawed but it's the only logical explanation as of now)

Where did life start?
Every organism you see around you started as a cell.
That's why cells are the building blocks of life even in the womb. We starts as cells.

You said you don't believe humans shared the same ancestry with apes?
Then tell me why we have tale bones.
Why are there fossils that shows there were at least 15 other humans 200,000 years ago.

Some humans have even being born with tails ( every human has a tail as a fetus but we later lose it within the womb).

That's how the everything came to how it is.
It just took billions of years of chemical reactions/ combustion and genetically modified body parts and evolution to reach here.

So let's follow your logic

1. The big bang. What was that thing that banged. Obviously nothing can just suddenly bang, right?

2. What caused the big bang? Whatever banged cannot just suddenly bang by itself without a force or pressure acting upon it t bang, right?

3.

That's how the everything came to how it is.
It just took billions of years of chemical reactions/ combustion and genetically modified body parts and evolution to reach here.

Chemical reactions cannot occur without the presence of chemicals. Where did these chemicals come from billions of years ago?

Did they come from the big bang? If they did, then does that mean that the bang produced chemicals from nothing?

Hydrogen is the most abundant of all the chemicals in the periodic table in the observable universe as far as we know. Where did it come from? The big bang? Did nothing produce something then?

JastSiryin:
he he... Seems I hit a nerve. You're the type who mistakes being a coward as being smart. Ask yourself deeply if our responsibility as humans should only exist for ourselves alone? Don't forget that this world would have no known problems if we weren't on this earth. You could think of global warming, wars, pollution, and so on. It all points to us. We've made life a living hell for both ourselves and animals, and you're here goofing about a selfless act done to save a dying animal. People like you are what's wrong with this world because you don't see the hypocrisy in your words or actions. You're a f**king slowpoke, I shouldn't waste words with you. You even had the guts to quote a Bible verse. Have you forgotten how David rescued his sheep from the mouth of a Lion!? was he foolish or brave? Or would he have been any less brave if he died? You're a f**king coward that's what you are. May God rest his soul, for his was far more brave than you'll ever be.

Asswipe dimwit on a gibberish spewing spree.

Get the eff outta my mention aschlock...

ElsonMorali:


So let's follow your logic

1. The big bang. What was that thing that banged. Obviously nothing can just suddenly bang, right?

2. What caused the big bang? Whatever banged cannot just suddenly bang by itself without a force or pressure acting upon it t bang, right?

3.



Chemical reactions cannot occur without the presence of chemicals. Where did these chemicals come from billions of years ago?

Did they come from the big bang? If they did, then does that mean that the bang produced chemicals from nothing?

Hydrogen is the most abundant of all the chemicals in the periodic table in the observable universe as far as we know. Where did it come from? The big bang? Did nothing produce something then?

Who knows?
Like I said, the theory is flawed and that's what we have for now.
Humanity has only believe roaming the earth for 200,000 years.
We're still babies compared to other humans that lived for +500,000 years before going extinct.
Maybe in a thousand years or so, there will be a far far better explanation.

Nobodyperson:


Who knows?
Like I said, the theory is flawed and that's what we have for now.
Humanity has only believe roaming the earth for 200,000 years.
We're still babies compared to other humans that lived for +500,000 years before going extinct.
Maybe in a thousand years or so, there will be a far far better explanation.

That's the whole point of this exercise. There's something greater than man. Greater than the universe.

Some hold to the theory of an Absolute Being, others hold on to the theory of the Big Bang. To each their own.

What I have seen and encountered personally informs my choice. I'm not asking you to believe by force, but when you get to that point is when you get there. It might take a few years or many lifetimes, but we all will get there eventually.

ElsonMorali:


That's the whole point of this exercise. There's something greater than man. Greater than the universe.

Some hold to the theory of an Absolute Being, others hold on to the theory of the Big Bang. To each their own.

What I have seen and encountered personally informs my choice. I'm not asking you to believe by force, but when you get to that point is when you get there. It might take a few years or many lifetimes, but we all will get there eventually.

OK man.
Wish you the best with your weird religion

Nobodyperson:

OK man.
Wish you the best with your weird religion

Lol. I believe in something. Better than not believing in anything don't you think?

ElsonMorali:


Lol. I believe in something. Better than not believing in anything don't you think?

I don't believe that's somewhere in the skies where billions of people are roasting alive while at another side it's made of gold and solely for good people.

Nah, It's better than not to believe in something.
Saves you the worries, why do you think the happiest countries are atheist?

Nobodyperson:

I don't believe that's somewhere in the skies where billions of people are roasting alive while at another side it's made of gold and solely for good people.

Nah, It's better than not to believe in something.
Saves you the worries, why do you think the happiest countries are atheist?

The hellfire being preached about by modern-day "Christians" doesn't exist in reality. The existence of such would negate the idea of God as an Infinite Being. Most Christians don't ask questions. you can still believe in God without practicing any religion though. Jesus the Christ did not come to establish a religious institution. He only came to show the path to Light and Life. He already told us that Heaven is within us and not in the sky or someplace else. Thats a deep occultic saying and only the occult student and master can understand that. There are many more like that in the Bible like, Matthew 6:22 etc

There is no proof though that the happiest countries are atheistic nor is there any proof that atheistic countries are happy. There is no measure for happiness. The simple Kalahari Bushman is as happy as happy can be. Contentment breeds happiness not the accumulation of wealth and possessions. There are billionaires who are miserable. There are people like the Bushmen of Kalahari who have never smelled civilization, own no possessions and yet are happy.

ElsonMorali:


The hellfire being preached about by modern-day "Christians" doesn't exist in reality. The existence of such would negate the idea of God as an Infinite Being. Most Christians don't ask questions. you can still believe in God without practicing any religion though. Jesus the Christ did not come to establish a religious institution. He only came to show the path to Light and Life. He already told us that Heaven is within us and not in the sky or someplace else. Thats a deep occultic saying and only the occult student and master can understand that. There are many more like that in the Bible like, Matthew 6:22 etc

There is no proof though that the happiest countries are atheistic nor is there any proof that atheistic countries are happy. There is no measure for happiness. The simple Kalahari Bushman is as happy as happy can be. Contentment breeds happiness not the accumulation of wealth and possessions. There are billionaires who are miserable. There are people like the Bushmen of Kalahari who have never smelled civilization, own no possessions and yet are happy.

The happiest countries currently which is Finland, Denmark, Norway and ice land.
These countries have a HIGH population of atheist.
I have personally spoken with people from Finland and Norway and they were either atheist or agnostic.

Thw countries Happiness rating is based on; Employment, education, crime rate, cost of living and so many other factors.

You tell me why the most religious countries aren't anywhere near the list?
Nigeria is among the top 5 most religious countries and has so many problems raging from terrorism to corruption and then police violence and so much more.

Accept the fact that countries with a high volume of atheist will always be in front of nations who believe and bow down to an invisible being.

Let's not forget the fact that the US is the only first world country that is still religious with 49% being religious. (mainly due to its high diversity)
Other first world countries are mainly atheist.


I find it odd how people still believe Jesus existed, I mean how do you possibly believe an invisible spirit impregnated a virgin?
Does that make sense?

There's no evidence of Jesus.
No works, no writings, no statements, no nothing.
There's no Roman recording that Jesus was crucified.
Check the link for more facts.
https://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

Nobodyperson:


The happiest countries currently which is Finland, Denmark, Norway and ice land.
These countries have a HIGH population of atheist.
I have personally spoken with people from Finland and Norway and they were either atheist or agnostic.

Thw countries Happiness rating is based on; Employment, education, crime rate, cost of living and so many other factors.

You tell me why the most religious countries aren't anywhere near the list?
Nigeria is among the top 5 most religious countries and has so many problems raging from terrorism to corruption and then police violence and so much more.

Accept the fact that countries with a high volume of atheist will always be in front of nations who believe and bow down to an invisible being.

Let's not forget the fact that the US is the only first world country that is still religious with 49% being religious. (mainly due to its high diversity)
Other first world countries are mainly atheist.


I find it odd how people still believe Jesus existed, I mean how do you possibly believe an invisible spirit impregnated a virgin?
Does that make sense?

There's no evidence of Jesus.
No works, no writings, no statements, no nothing.
There's no Roman recording that Jesus was crucified.
Check the link for more facts.
https://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

can you tell us how you measure happiness? A while ago the Nigerian people were labeled the happiest. How do you measure happiness?

you don't have proof that he didn't exist, do you? on the other hand, the Bible has proven to be quite accurate in relating historical events. recently, an ancient coin bearing the inscription Pontius Pilatus in reference to the Roman official who sentenced Jesus to die was discovered. I'd take the historical accounts of the Bible as accurate since it has been proven so thus far by archeologists.

ElsonMorali:


can you tell us how you measure happiness? A while ago the Nigerian people were labeled the happiest. How do you measure happiness?

you don't have proof that he didn't exist, do you? on the other hand, the Bible has proven to be quite accurate in relating historical events. recently, an ancient coin bearing the inscription Pontius Pilatus in reference to the Roman official who sentenced Jesus to die was discovered. I'd take the historical accounts of the Bible as accurate since it has been proven so thus far by archeologists.

But Roman records claims pontius pilatus never met or ordered the death of Jesus.

Nigerians have never being mentioned as the happiest people on earth ( as far as I know) maybe in Africa if what you meant.


You can't take the bible seriously when it talks about talking donkeys and snakes.
People living up to 900 years ( COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE) , the oldest person to ever live has only lived for 122 years but the bible has false claims that people lived up to 900 years in a time when girls at 13 years were deemed ripe for marriage, the average human died in their 20's back then and it was normal.
The highest was 40's or at most 60's and it was rich men and Slave owners that lived that long.


You can't take a book with so many errors and lies as a firm book for historical evidence.
Let's not forget it claimed Solomon was the richest man on earth but there's no evidence that man even existed, the richest man to ever live was mansa musa, an African MUSLIM.

Did you even check the link I gave you?

Nobodyperson:

But Roman records claims pontius pilatus never met or ordered the death of Jesus.

Nigerians have never being mentioned as the happiest people on earth ( as far as I know) maybe in Africa if what you meant.


You can't take the bible seriously when it talks about talking donkeys and snakes.
People living up to 900 years ( COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE) , the oldest person to ever live has only lived for 122 years but the bible has false claims that people lived up to 900 years in a time when girls at 13 years were deemed ripe for marriage, the average human died in their 20's back then and it was normal.
The highest was 40's or at most 60's and it was rich men and Slave owners that lived that long.


You can't take a book with so many errors and lies as a firm book for historical evidence.
Let's not forget it claimed Solomon was the richest man on earth but there's no evidence that man even existed, the richest man to ever live was mansa musa, an African MUSLIM.

Did you even check the link I gave you?

Yes, I did check the link you posted, but you should realize that the internet contains all sorts of information. that it is on the internet doesn't make it true. Many garbages are online. That's why I haven't given you any links here. I could mention books to read though because all the information I present here, I read from scholastic books and not from the internet.

most people keep forgetting that the Bible we have today is a translation of a translation from Hebrew and Greek. While the language employed during Jesus' time for everyday conversation was Aramaic, not English and not Hebrew.

You say Roman records (which Roman records though?) claimed Pontius Pilate never condemned Jesus, either way for the Bible to mention Pontius Pilate tells you a lot doesn't it unless you want to say the same Roman records denies the existence of Pontius Pilate.

even if there was a record of a Mansa Musa that proved he lived, where is the evidence that he was the richest man who ever lived? You can only make such a statement if you knew every human who ever lived. Even science can't pinpoint for how long humans have walked the surface of Earth, not to talk of knowing all those who ever lived. that's a grand claim to make. If the Bible makes such claims about Solomon, I take it as rhetorical. Just as the Bible says Solomon was the wisest man, yet the man married like 400 wives and had 600 concubines and kept on having issues with his son Absalom (I think).


In my opinion, I think the only people who go to great lengths to deny the existence of the man called Yeshua, known today as Jesus the Christ, the Messiah, are those who want to discredit Christianity and render it null and void. Yet, absence of proof of the existence of someone or something isn't proof itself that that person or object never existed.


When people think of the Bible, they think it was written by one author in one room much like modern fiction books except that God was dictating to the writer. the word Bible itself is from the Greek word Biblios, which translates as a collection of books. The Bible, in reality, is a collection of scrolls written by many varied people across very many centuries, who didn't know that what they were writing was going to be a book in a Bible one day.

Many of those books are couched in the flowery language of poetry. Just like our African people always love to spice important conversation with proverbs. Books like Psalms and the Songs of Solomon bear witness to this while books like Genesis 1 and Revelations use the mystical language of prophecy and mysticism to hide the real message from careless minds.


The books in the Bible are more or less a compendium of the history of the Jewish people over thousands of years. Detailing their historical movements across the plains of the Mediterranean, their wars with neighbouring cities, their religion, their culture, their beliefs, their taboos, their fairy tales, etc. Most people don't know that the story of Jonah and Job are now considered as didactic tales by Biblical scholars, meant to teach particular virtues and not exactly tales of actual men. Even a careful study of the Creation story shows that it was written by two classes of Hebrew scholars, the Yawhistic class and the Priestly class. The Bible is rich in occultic messages passed down over various centuries and hidden in plain sight from ignorants until they become initiated.

I could go on and on, but then I think we have prolonged this thread enough not to talk of derailing it. It's been a nice chat though.

ElsonMorali:


Yes, I did check the link you posted, but you should realize that the internet contains all sorts of information. that it is on the internet doesn't make it true. Many garbages are online. That's why I haven't given you any links here. I could mention books to read though because all the information I present here, I read from scholastic books and not from the internet.

most people keep forgetting that the Bible we have today is a translation of a translation from Hebrew and Greek. While the language employed during Jesus' time for everyday conversation was Aramaic, not English and not Hebrew.

You say Roman records (which Roman records though?) claimed Pontius Pilate never condemned Jesus, either way for the Bible to mention Pontius Pilate tells you a lot doesn't it unless you want to say the same Roman records denies the existence of Pontius Pilate.

even if there was a record of a Mansa Musa that proved he lived, where is the evidence that he was the richest man who ever lived? You can only make such a statement if you knew every human who ever lived. Even science can't pinpoint for how long humans have walked the surface of Earth, not to talk of knowing all those who ever lived. that's a grand claim to make. If the Bible makes such claims about Solomon, I take it as rhetorical. Just as the Bible says Solomon was the wisest man, yet the man married like 400 wives and had 600 concubines and kept on having issues with his son Absalom (I think).


In my opinion, I think the only people who go to great lengths to deny the existence of the man called Yeshua, known today as Jesus the Christ, the Messiah, are those who want to discredit Christianity and render it null and void. Yet, absence of proof of the existence of someone or something isn't proof itself that that person or object never existed.


When people think of the Bible, they think it was written by one author in one room much like modern fiction books except that God was dictating to the writer. the word Bible itself is from the Greek word Biblios, which translates as a collection of books. The Bible, in reality, is a collection of scrolls written by many varied people across very many centuries, who didn't know that what they were writing was going to be a book in a Bible one day.

Many of those books are couched in the flowery language of poetry. Just like our African people always love to spice important conversation with proverbs. Books like Psalms and the Songs of Solomon bear witness to this while books like Genesis 1 and Revelations use the mystical language of prophecy and mysticism to hide the real message from careless minds.


The books in the Bible are more or less a compendium of the history of the Jewish people over thousands of years. Detailing their historical movements across the plains of the Mediterranean, their wars with neighbouring cities, their religion, their culture, their beliefs, their taboos, their fairy tales, etc. Most people don't know that the story of Jonah and Job are now considered as didactic tales by Biblical scholars, meant to teach particular virtues and not exactly tales of actual men. Even a careful study of the Creation story shows that it was written by two classes of Hebrew scholars, the Yawhistic class and the Priestly class. The Bible is rich in occultic messages passed down over various centuries and hidden in plain sight from ignorants until they become initiated.

I could go on and on, but then I think we have prolonged this thread enough not to talk of derailing it. It's been a nice chat though.

Likewise

Maybe they used the pig for a rituals ..... Sacrifice things


He exchanged his life for the pig

This thread should be named Big pig died while rescuing small pig