Pastor Kumuyi of Deeper life Bible Church explains why he was excommunicated by the church he was attending as a young minister in the 70's.
He also explains why the church was right to have taken that decision.

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sunky97:
Pastor Kumuyi of Deeper life Bible Church explains why he was excommunicated by the church he was attending as a young minister in the 70's.
He also explains why the church was right to have taken that decision.

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What is the name of the church nah?
Shey the church that excommunicated Kumuyi has no name?

sunky97:
Pastor Kumuyi of Deeper life Bible Church explains why he was excommunicated by the church he was attending as a young minister in the 70's.
He also explains why the church was right to have taken that decision.

Maximus69:
What is the name of the church nah?
Shey the church that excommunicated Kumuyi has no name?

The name of the church that excommunicated him is Apostolic Faith

MuttleyLaff:


The name of the church that excommunicated him is Apostolic Faith

Fine!

So why been disfellowshiped if the Church's decision was right?

Because according to the Bible an excommunicated member has been handed over to the devil! 1Timothy 1:20
If he later started his own Church only to come out saying this after 40 years, is he a repentant wrongdoer or an opportunist who just left the church to make money, by starting his own?

Surely he never left his former Church on a good note, so who ordained baba to be a Certified shepherd?

Maximus69:
Fine!

So why been disfellowshiped if the Church's decision was right?

Because according to the Bible an excommunicated member has been handed over to the devil! 1Timothy 1:20
If he later started his own Church only to come out saying this after 40 years, is he a repentant wrongdoer or an opportunist who just left the church to make money, by starting his own?

Surely he never left his former Church on a good note, so who ordained baba to be a Certified shepherd?

You need to rewatch the less than 5 minutes YouTube video clip again, but this time attentively watch and listen to it, because each and all these questions were answered in the video clip

Maximus69:


Fine!

So why been disfellowshiped if the Church's decision was right?

Because according to the Bible an excommunicated member has been handed over to the devil! 1Timothy 1:20
If he later started his own Church only to come out saying this after 40 years, is he a repentant wrongdoer or an opportunist who just left the church to make money, by starting his own?

Surely he never left his former Church on a good note, so who ordained baba to be a Certified shepherd?

See dem...

MuttleyLaff:
You need to rewatch the less than 5 minutes YouTube video clip again, but this time attentively watch and listen to it, because each and all these questions were answered in the video clip

Me Listen to who

Have you forgotten what the Bible say regarding those excommunicated from the fold? 1Timothy 1:20, 2John 10-11
The old man said he was JUSTLY excommunicated so he is a criminal according to the tenets of his former Church, therefore he ordained himself as a Pastor and started gathering mugus! Matthew 15:14
If he was WRONGLY accused, that will make him a true Christian because we all know how Christians were treated amongst the Jews back then in the first century! John 9:22

But baba's case totally differs, himself said he deserved that treatment, so the question now is

¤Can a disfellowshiped worshiper start a Church?
¤Who ordained baba as a Pastor?
¤Is he ready to go back for amendments?
¤Why this late confession?
¤What happens to all his mugus who are now following him as a disfellowshiped worshiper?

Maximus69:


Fine!

So why been disfellowshiped if the Church's decision was right?

Because according to the Bible an excommunicated member has been handed over to the devil! 1Timothy 1:20
If he later started his own Church only to come out saying this after 40 years, is he a repentant wrongdoer or an opportunist who just left the church to make money, by starting his own?

Surely he never left his former Church on a good note, so who ordained baba to be a Certified shepherd?

good question

starting house fellowship, evangelism the holiness teaching in a church were their policy is different from all that is like trying to impose your belief and personal fundamentals to the church

paxonel:
starting house fellowship, evangelism the holiness teaching in a church were their policy is different from all that is like trying to impose your belief and personal fundamentals to the church

This is a man that was disfellowshiped from the Church and morons are gathering after him to start opposing well established Churches simply because he has succeeded in gathering them over the years!

Maximus69:
This is a man that was disfellowshiped from the Church and morons are gathering after him to start opposing well established Churches simply because he has succeeded in gathering the over the years!

Mind your language please. Who are you calling morons, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
Mind your language please. Who are you calling morons, hmm?

All those following or fellowshiping with a confirmed disfellowshiped old man!
Don't forget he himself confirmed that he was JUSTLY disfellowshiped which means he is INDIRECLY telling you that he is a criminal if we're to go by the norms of Christianity!

He is supposed to be pleading on bended knee for the Church to reinstate him NOT going to start his own Church when nobody ordained him to do so!

Please Sir, what else do you call all those following such an accursed person if not morons?

Remember everyone even atheists, Buddhists, Hindus, Judaists and Aborigines can easily get a copy of the Bible and read for themselves to SEE it written boldly that a former member of the Church that had been excommunicated should be likened to an accursed person! So how do you explain from the same Bible that you're not a slowpoke if you're following such a person? Matthew 15:14

Maximus69:
All those following or fellowshiping with a confirmed disfellowshiped old man!
Don't forget he himself confirmed that he was JUSTLY disfellowshiped which means he is INDIRECLY telling you that he is a criminal if we're to go by the norms of Christianity!

He is supposed to be pleading on bended knee for the Church to reinstate him NOT going to start his own Church when nobody ordained him to do so!

Charles Taze Russell was a denominational prostitute, for being in bed and warming up with "Presbyterian", the "Congregational church" and lastly with "Second Adventists" before eventually without being ordained by anyone went to form Jehovah's Witnesses, before then he had already been brainwashing people with his tracts and also failed prophecies about the world ending etcetera. He is a divorcee and so even not qualified to hold position of authority in leading fellow believers.

He who lives in a glasshouse, should mind not throwing stones Maximus69.

MuttleyLaff:
Charles Taze Russell was a denominational prostitute, for being in bed and warming up with "Presbyterian", the "Congregational church" and lastly with "Second Adventists" before eventually without being ordained by anyone went to form Jehovah's Witnesses, before then he had already been brainwashing people with his tracts and also failed prophecies about the world ending etcetera. He is a divorcee and so even not qualified to hold position of authority in leading fellow believers.

He who lives in a glasshouse, should mind not throwing stones Maximus69.

You see what i told you earlier?

Charles Ruzzel WAS NOT excommunicated from any Church Sir, he wasn't comfortable with the TRADITION of those Churches, he was in fact SEARCHING for the place where he could find unadulterated word of God and NOT TO START HIS OWN CHURCH Until he discovered that himself and others like him could come together to start DIGGING for the truth!

They were taking their discoveries to different Churches in order to enlighten the Church leaders on what they're getting as a result of their researches, but after seeing that all the Churches of Christendom are not ready to progress in their knowledge, this little group began teaching COMMON people what they've found and that's why they were called the Bible students back then.
The group name Jehovah's Witnesses was adopted long after Russel's death! So don't think that he is in any way comparable to Baba!

Today, Charles Taxes Ruzzel is gone but the foundation he laid was solid on the truth because he made it clear to all those following him that HE WASN'T inspired so they should not stop progressing in search of the truth!

That's why Jehovah's Witnesses have totally taken a completely different shape from what Charles knew during his time! God has blessed the organization as we're the one and only religious group throughout the world today that has succeeded in eradicating POLITICS and RACISM in our midst, which has made it possible for us to form a happy global family of peace-loving worshippers just as Jesus prayed! John 17:20-23

This is unlike Baba who was RIGHTLY EXCOMMUNICATED from a Church and after over forty years of fabricating his own doctrines, declared publicly that the Church was right to have taken such a decision! Baba never ordained anybody to preach in his stead because he himself wasn't ordained by anyone so he is Mr know all that all the members of the Church must listen to his preaching from Nigeria to Jerusalem!

Maximus69:
You see what i told you earlier?

Charles Ruzzel WAS NOT excommunicated from any Church Sir, he wasn't comfortable with the TRADITION of those Churches, he was in fact SEARCHING for the place where he could find unadulterated word of God and NOT TO START HIS OWN CHURCH Until he discovered that himself and others like him could come together to start DIGGING for the truth!

They were taking their discoveries to different Churches in order to enlighten the Church leaders on what they're getting as a result of their researches, but after seeing that all the Churches of Christendom are not ready to progress in their knowledge, this little group began teaching COMMON people what they've found and that's why they were called the Bible students back then.
The group name Jehovah's Witnesses was adopted long after Russel's death! So don't think that he is in any way comparable to Baba!

Today, Charles Taxes Ruzzel is gone but the foundation he laid was solid on the truth because he made it clear to all those following him that HE WASN'T inspired so they should not stop progressing in search of the truth!

That's why Jehovah's Witnesses have totally taken a completely different shape from what Charles knew during his time! God has blessed the organization as we're the one and only religious group throughout the world today that has succeeded in eradicating POLITICS and RACISM in our midst, which has made it possible for us to form a happy global family of peace-loving worshippers just as Jesus prayed! John 17:20-23

This is unlike Baba who was RIGHTLY EXCOMMUNICATED from a Church and after over forty years of fabricating his own doctrines, declared publicly that the Church was right to have taken such a decision! Baba never ordained anybody to preach in his stead because he himself wasn't ordained by anyone so he is Mr know all that all the members of the Church must listen to his preaching from Nigeria to Jerusalem!

You huffed and puffed all over the place, but the trail went conveniently cold on the failed end of the world prophecies Baba Russell RIP bamboozled those his impressionable sheeples with.

MuttleyLaff:
You huffed and puffed all over the place, but the trail went conveniently cold on the failed end of the world prophecies Baba Russell RIP bamboozled those his impressionable sheeples with.

OK, it's time to change the topic of discuss, right?

Well end of the world prophecies began thousands of years ago even before the birth of Jesus Christ {Genesis 3:15}
David foretold the same thing! Psalms 37:9-11
Solomon foretold the same thing! Proverbs 2:20-22
Isaiah foretold the same thing! Isaiah 65:21-25
Daniel foretold the same thing! Daniel 2:44
Zephaniah foretold the same thing! Zephaniah 2:2-3
Jesus came and continued! Matthew 24:14
Apostle Paul continued! 2Timothy 3:1-5
Apostle John continued! 1John 2:15-17

Perhaps that's why this GBANGBAJIOUS Russel of a person and his group also started disturbing people from house to house over the same issue {Act 20:20} and please don't forget me o because i'm also doing the same thing always! 1Corinthians 11:26

So this is almost 2,000 years after Jesus walked this planet and it's like the whole thing is becoming boring hearing this end of the world again and again when the end isn't coming {2Peter 3:3-4} but if majority loose hope in the matter, faithful followers of Jesus will continue to anticipate his coming {Matthew 24:43-44} as they keep AWAKE on the WATCHTOWER just as Jesus ask the WATCHMEN to continue WATCHING! Of course they'll will inform their brothers in faith about any sign they SEE, their brothers and sisters will never give up on them because they know what it means to keep WATCHING at night! Matthew 26:40

Please let me hear any other thing you've got to say so that i reply you without hesitation! Matthew 10:19 compared to Isaiah 54:17

Kumuyi need to undo the wrong doctrines he has established for years. Otherwise, it will not be easy on Judgement Day.

MuttleyLaff:
You huffed and puffed all over the place, but the trail went conveniently cold on the failed end of the world prophecies Baba Russell RIP bamboozled those his impressionable sheeples with.

Maximus69: Surely he never left his former Church on a good note, so who ORDAINED BABA to be a CERTIFIED SHEPHERD?

Achorladey: It would equally be interesting to note who ORDAINED Late Baba RUSSELL as pastor? What do you think?

After all if the Baba under consideration as contained in the title of this thread as accumulated "MORONS" and "MUGUS", it would be interesting to note and know who late Baba Russell has accumulated as and used to OPPOSE well ESTABLISHED CHURCHES.

achorladey:


Maximus69: Surely he never left his former Church on a good note, so who ORDAINED BABA to be a CERTIFIED SHEPHERD?

Achorladey: It would equally be interesting to note who ORDAINED Late Baba RUSSELL as pastor? What do you think?

After all if the Baba under consideration as contained in the title of this thread as accumulated "MORONS" and "MUGUS", it would be interesting to note and know who late Baba Russell has accumulated as and used to OPPOSE well ESTABLISHED CHURCHES.

You're welcome to the thread Mr achorladey!

It's like you don't get my point on this issue but i'll try to expatiate a bit.
Before you start following someone and strictly adhering to his teachings, you need to know how such a person began!
Kumuyi attended a well established Church {which he still claims teaches God's word UNADULTERATED} he was excommunicated and he himself JUSTIFIED the action the Church took against him, now that Church is ordaining members as QUALIFIED Pastors to preach the undiluted word of God upon which Kumuyi was punished for reasons best known to himself and the Church.

On the other hand, Russell was SEARCHING for a group that's meeting up with the requirements set by Jesus as found in the Bible since he is convinced that Jesus' teachings is perfect. Himself and his colleagues couldn't find any, that's why they formed a group {Bible students} started making more research and talking to people about their discoveries!

Today Russell is no more, but the organization is getting stronger than ever since all members knew how it started, they know everything is based on research so they're not ready to pally with any religious group! But Kumuyi on the other hand just said the Church that dismissed him was right so his members can equally go and associate with the Church where baba was JUSTLY excommunicated since they're right after all!

Perhaps it's due to joblessness that this simple issues seems complicated before you guys. Obviously many of you have never worked with a well established organization before, because i can't understand how an employee who WILLINGLY LEFT {resigned} from an organization could be likened to a DISMISSED {sacked} employee!

For your information, the employee that left on his own is highly respected and recommended anywhere while a dismissed employee can't be recommended anywhere as the organization that sacked him won't give any surety regarding him!

That's the clear difference between the two Babas Sir!

Maximus69:


You're welcome to the thread Mr achorladey!

It's like you don't get my point on this issue but i'll try to expatiate a bit.
Before you start following someone and strictly adhering to his teachings, you need to know how such a person began!
Kumuyi attended a well established Church {which he still claims teaches God's word UNADULTERATED} he was excommunicated and he himself JUSTIFIED the action the Church took against him, now that Church is ordaining members as QUALIFIED Pastors to preach the undiluted word of God upon which Kumuyi was punished for reasons best known to himself and the Church.

On the other hand, Russell was SEARCHING for a group that's meeting up with the requirements set by Jesus as found in the Bible since he is convinced that Jesus' teachings is perfect. Himself and his colleagues couldn't find any, that's why they formed a group {Bible students} started making more research and talking to people about their discoveries!

Today Russell is no more, but the organization is getting stronger than ever since all members knew how it started, they know everything is based on research so they're not ready to pally with any religious group! But Kumuyi on the other hand just said the Church that dismissed him was right so his members can equally go and associate with the Church where baba was JUSTLY excommunicated since they're right after all!

Perhaps it's due to joblessness that this simple issues seems complicated before you guys. Obviously many of you have never worked with a well established organization before, because i can't understand how an employee who WILLINGLY LEFT {resigned} from an organization could be likened to a DISMISSED {sacked} employee!

For your information, the employee that left on his own is highly respected and recommended anywhere while a dismissed employee can't be recommended anywhere as the organization that sacked him won't give any surety regarding him!

That's the clear difference between the two Babas Sir!

Maximus69: Surely he never left his former Church on a good note, so who ORDAINED BABA to be a CERTIFIED SHEPHERD?

Achorladey: It would equally be interesting to note who ORDAINED Late Baba RUSSELL as pastor? What do you think?

Simple as ABC after all you dragged the Baba mentioned by the OP as not BEING A CERTIFIED ORDAINED SHEPHERD like a Filthy rag on the floor and equally dragged the members and followers on the floor as you call them MUGUS and MORONS

achorladey:



Maximus69: Surely he never left his former Church on a good note, so who ORDAINED BABA to be a CERTIFIED SHEPHERD?

Achorladey: It would equally be interesting to note who ORDAINED Late Baba RUSSELL as pastor? What do you think?

Simple as ABC after all you dragged the Baba mentioned by the OP as not BEING A CERTIFIED ORDAINED SHEPHERD like a Filthy rag on the floor and equally dragged the members and followers on the floor as you call them MUGUS and MORONS

You can argue Sir! But the matter is indisputable and clear!

Maximus69:
You can argue Sir! But the matter is indisputable and clear!

Please give achorladey the answer to who ORDAINED Late Baba RUSSELL, as pastor nau. Nobi you dey ask who ordained Baba Kumuyi, so likewise, who ordained Baba Russell too. What is good for the goose is equally good for the gander

Maximus69:


You can argue Sir! But the matter is indisputable and clear!

Maximus69: Therefore he ORDAINED HIMSELF as a PASTOR and started GATHERING MUGUS! Matthew 15:14!

Achorladey: The above could equally serve as answer to the question posed and it will equally fit well alongside baba RUSSELL too.

Since Matthew 15:14 fits well with the baba mentioned by OP, it should equally fit well with baba RUSSELL. What do you think?

Maximus69:


You're welcome to the thread Mr achorladey!

It's like you don't get my point on this issue but i'll try to expatiate a bit.
Before you start following someone and strictly adhering to his teachings, you need to know how such a person began!
Kumuyi attended a well established Church {which he still claims teaches God's word UNADULTERATED} he was excommunicated and he himself JUSTIFIED the action the Church took against him, now that Church is ordaining members as QUALIFIED Pastors to preach the undiluted word of God upon which Kumuyi was punished for reasons best known to himself and the Church.

On the other hand, Russell was SEARCHING for a group that's meeting up with the requirements set by Jesus as found in the Bible since he is convinced that Jesus' teachings is perfect. Himself and his colleagues couldn't find any, that's why they formed a group {Bible students} started making more research and talking to people about their discoveries!

Today Russell is no more, but the organization is getting stronger than ever since all members knew how it started, they know everything is based on research so they're not ready to pally with any religious group! But Kumuyi on the other hand just said the Church that dismissed him was right so his members can equally go and associate with the Church where baba was JUSTLY excommunicated since they're right after all!

Perhaps it's due to joblessness that this simple issues seems complicated before you guys. Obviously many of you have never worked with a well established organization before, because i can't understand how an employee who WILLINGLY LEFT {resigned} from an organization could be likened to a DISMISSED {sacked} employee!

For your information, the employee that left on his own is highly respected and recommended anywhere while a dismissed employee can't be recommended anywhere as the organization that sacked him won't give any surety regarding him!

That's the clear difference between the two Babas Sir!

Maximus69: For your information, the employee that left on his own is highly respected and recommended anywhere while a dismissed employee can't be recommended anywhere as the organization that sacked him won't give any surety regarding him!

Achorladey: This to add to learning and knowledge........

What’s the answer? Re-employment following dismissal........


Nicholas Snowden, senior solicitor at Clarkslegal LLP

This is quite an unusual situation.

The SHORT ANSWER is that there is NO reason in LAW why you cannot RE-EMPLOY a former Employee who has previously been DISMISSED for gross MISCONDUCT.

Note: The above answers are taken as a starting point for guidance only.

You people like deceit like die!

achorladey:



Maximus69: For your information, the employee that left on his own is highly respected and recommended anywhere while a dismissed employee can't be recommended anywhere as the organization that sacked him won't give any surety regarding him!

Achorladey: This to add to learning and knowledge........

What’s the answer? Re-employment following dismissal........


Nicholas Snowden, senior solicitor at Clarkslegal LLP

This is quite an unusual situation.

The SHORT ANSWER is that there is NO reason in LAW why you cannot RE-EMPLOY a former Employee who has previously been DISMISSED for gross MISCONDUCT.

Note: The above answers are taken as a starting point for guidance only.

Maximus69:


Fine!

So why been disfellowshiped if the Church's decision was right?

Because according to the Bible an excommunicated member has been handed over to the devil! 1Timothy 1:20
If he later started his own Church only to come out saying this after 40 years, is he a repentant wrongdoer or an opportunist who just left the church to make money, by starting his own?

Surely he never left his former Church on a good note, so who ordained baba to be a Certified shepherd?

"You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it" (John 8:44)

The devil is a liar and he has no shame. You were lied to and you continued to spread the lie all over this section that Pastor Kumuyi was excommunicated by JW, and when you got corrected you didn't even have the integrity to apologise for spreading an error you go ahead to spread more lies on things you know nothing about. You JWs are truly children of your father the devil.

Maximus69:


Me Listen to who

This is another attribute of the devil, the sin of pride (Ezekiel 28:17; 1 Timothy 3:6; Proverbs 6:16-18).

Maximus69:


Have you forgotten what the Bible say regarding those excommunicated from the fold? 1Timothy 1:20, 2John 10-11

Let's see what the Bible has to say about 1 Timothy 1:20

"Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered to Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme."

This is the Apostle Paul exercising his apostolic authority over those apostates for blasphemy not for going against the local church policy but for believing and teaching heresy like your JW organisation does today. Hymenaeus and possibly Alexander were in denial of the future bodily resurrection teaching that the resurrection was simply a spiritual change when a person is born again. That was the blasphemy that warranted them to be handed over to satan and that is essentially what you JW teach, that Jesus did not resurrect bodily. So you can see that you and your organisation are in a sticky situation right now with the Almighty God.

You also mentioned 2 John 10-11 which says:

"If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

The apostle Paul again here is saying that no false teacher is to be allowed to teach in the church neither should they be encouraged in their evil practice. This is a warning to Christians not to allow false teachers like the JWs to come into our houses when they come knocking neither should we encourage them in any way. Do you now see how those scriptures are actually against you and your organisation?

Maximus69:


The old man said he was JUSTLY excommunicated so he is a criminal according to the tenets of his former Church, therefore he ordained himself as a Pastor and started gathering mugus! Matthew 15:14

If he was WRONGLY accused, that will make him a true Christian because we all know how Christians were treated amongst the Jews back then in the first century! John 9:22

But baba's case totally differs, himself said he deserved that treatment, so the question now is

Let's see John 9:22 that you cited:

"These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue."

You can see from this verse that being excommunicated from religious activities in the synagogue, and also from Jewish business and social life in general for having a conviction for the truth makes him better off. The likes of Martin Luther suffered the same fate and many have been set free afterwards.

Maximus69:


¤Can a disfellowshiped worshiper start a Church?

Only God can disfellowship a worshipper. Man can only disfellowship worshippers from their cult, not the Church of Christ.

Maximus69:


¤Who ordained baba as a Pastor?

The same question goes to who ordained your founder, Russel.

Maximus69:


¤Is he ready to go back for amendments?
¤Why this late confession?

What amendments?

Maximus69:


¤What happens to all his mugus who are now following him as a disfellowshiped worshiper?

With this abusive tongue of yours, you should rather go to the cross (that you deny) for cleansing. The blood of Jesus can clean your mouth from speaking blasphemies.

TruthinAction:


Kumuyi need to undo the wrong doctrines he has established for years. Otherwise, it will not be easy on Judgement Day.

Et tu, Brute?

Ubenedictus:


good question

Birds of a feather.

MuttleyLaff:


Charles Taze Russell was a denominational prostitute, for being in bed and warming up with "Presbyterian", the "Congregational church" and lastly with "Second Adventists" before eventually without being ordained by anyone went to form Jehovah's Witnesses, before then he had already been brainwashing people with his tracts and also failed prophecies about the world ending etcetera. He is a divorcee and so even not qualified to hold position of authority in leading fellow believers.

He who lives in a glasshouse, should mind not throwing stones Maximus69.

Maximus69 will now be regretting why he opened a can of worms.

MuttleyLaff:


Please give achorladey the answer to who ORDAINED Late Baba RUSSELL, as pastor nau. Nobi you dey ask who ordained Baba Kumuyi, so likewise, who ordained Baba Russell too. What is good for the goose is equally good for the gander

Don't expect him to give you an answer to this question because he hasn't got one.

achorladey:


Maximus69: Therefore he ORDAINED HIMSELF as a PASTOR and started GATHERING MUGUS! Matthew 15:14!

Achorladey: The above could equally serve as answer to the question posed and it will equally fit well alongside baba RUSSELL too.

Since Matthew 15:14 fits well with the baba mentioned by OP, it should equally fit well with baba RUSSELL. What do you think?

Do you see how Maximus69 just shot himself in the foot?