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Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by Commentor: 8:57pm On Aug 19, 2019
Ayofaks:
Why are we so hard on ourselves like this? Let's celebrate Innoson, His brand is proudly Nigerian, let's leave it at that. All these scrutiny and trying to degrade or rubbish our own won't take us anywhere.

Celebrate him for doing what exactly?
Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by abbiboy: 9:07pm On Aug 19, 2019
Burger01:
Both look fake to me undecided
As fake as it is u poor ass cant afford it...dumb

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Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by Ayofaks(f): 9:26pm On Aug 19, 2019
Commentor:


Celebrate him for doing what exactly?

Celebrate him for providing jobs, for promoting entrepreneurs. Innoson does not only employ graduates, his plastic company is one of the major buyers of recycled waste plastics in Nigeria.

He could have been importing it like the others but he chose not to. Those who're into plastic recycling know this, our own Eleganza plastic prefer to import their raw materials.

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Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by WowSweetGuy(m): 9:50pm On Aug 19, 2019
is Chinese own not a copy of Range rover sports
Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by kenx1(m): 9:59pm On Aug 19, 2019
Burger01:
Both look fake to me undecided

Which one u dey manufacture

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Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by Commentor: 10:04pm On Aug 19, 2019
Ayofaks:


Celebrate him for providing jobs, for promoting entrepreneurs. Innoson does not only employ graduates, his plastic company is one of the major buyers of recycled waste plastics in Nigeria.

He could have been importing it like the others but he chose not to. Those who're into plastic recycling know this, our own Eleganza plastic prefer to import their raw materials.

Innosons hasn't done anything special.

He has gone to China asked them to put his name on a product that already exists whilst passing it off as a "Made in Nigeria" product.

Does he design the product?

Does he conceptualize anything about it?

Why do we then make it seem he's doing something Peugeot isn't already doing in Nigeria?

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Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by Bbbwings: 10:20pm On Aug 19, 2019
OndoTrends:
"Buy Innoson, Buy innoson"

Last Last, na still China made
Watch as dem come for you.
We like telling each other lies.
The peconomic benefit still belongs to the chinese

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Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by Bbbwings: 10:25pm On Aug 19, 2019
WowSweetGuy:
is Chinese own not a copy of Range rover sports
Don't be daft.
It is a copy of range alright
But all of the components were manufactured in house.. the engine, the chassis and body..
Innoson then imports this component's and just slap their name on it
We will only get there if we start making at least one part of a vehicle.

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Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by gazmann(m): 10:40pm On Aug 19, 2019
obafemee80:




We have shown you the side-by-side differences between the iconic vehicle that inspired the Chinese made BAIC BJ80 SUV, i mean the Mercedes-Benz G-Wagon, and the Innoson IVM G80 luxury SUV.

But the question that reminded unanswered is : Is the Innoson G80 truly a made-in-Nigeria SUV or just Nigerian-assembled version of the Chinese made BAIC BJ80 SUV?

According to the wiki page of BAIC BJ80 SUV, the Innoson G80 is a variant of the mid-size four-wheel drive luxury SUV that is manufactured by BAIC Motor under Beijing Auto Works (BAW), a subsidiary of Beijing Auto Industry Corporation (BAIC).







Other variants includes the diesel powered BJ80D and the BJ80J military version. It also has a Czech-made version, the SVOS 80, as well as an Armored vehicle version, with steel and kevlar plating.

The BJ80 starts from 288,000 yuan to 298,000 Yuan, which is equivalent to about ₦14,900,000 to ₦15,400,000, excluding cost of shipping and clearing in Nigeria. The Innoson IVM G80 SUV starts at ₦27,825,000.





The similarities between the BAIC BJ80 and the Innoson G80 are not limited to the outside but continues inside with the G80 sporting the same dashboard styling as the Chinese BAIC BJ80 SUV.

According to the INNOSON, 70% of all its car parts are produced in Nigeria, while the rest is sourced from Japan, China, and Germany.

What Do You Think? 

https://autojosh.com/innoson-ivm-g80-a-rebadged-chinese-made-baic-bj80-suv-see-the-similarities/

Innosson shipping and clearing from china should not add up to 4m naira on the china market price given you assemble here in Naija what is the justification for the 27m price tag . i am your brother but this your motor business no help anybody truth be told

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Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by Sprumbaba: 10:58pm On Aug 19, 2019
obafemee80:




We have shown you the side-by-side differences between the iconic vehicle that inspired the Chinese made BAIC BJ80 SUV, i mean the Mercedes-Benz G-Wagon, and the Innoson IVM G80 luxury SUV.

But the question that reminded unanswered is : Is the Innoson G80 truly a made-in-Nigeria SUV or just Nigerian-assembled version of the Chinese made BAIC BJ80 SUV?

According to the wiki page of BAIC BJ80 SUV, the Innoson G80 is a variant of the mid-size four-wheel drive luxury SUV that is manufactured by BAIC Motor under Beijing Auto Works (BAW), a subsidiary of Beijing Auto Industry Corporation (BAIC).







Other variants includes the diesel powered BJ80D and the BJ80J military version. It also has a Czech-made version, the SVOS 80, as well as an Armored vehicle version, with steel and kevlar plating.

The BJ80 starts from 288,000 yuan to 298,000 Yuan, which is equivalent to about ₦14,900,000 to ₦15,400,000, excluding cost of shipping and clearing in Nigeria. The Innoson IVM G80 SUV starts at ₦27,825,000.





The similarities between the BAIC BJ80 and the Innoson G80 are not limited to the outside but continues inside with the G80 sporting the same dashboard styling as the Chinese BAIC BJ80 SUV.

According to the INNOSON, 70% of all its car parts are produced in Nigeria, while the rest is sourced from Japan, China, and Germany.

What Do You Think? 

https://autojosh.com/innoson-ivm-g80-a-rebadged-chinese-made-baic-bj80-suv-see-the-similarities/

It is purely a rebadge. The SUV is on Alibaba. You can buy yours there. My own brand will be Iyesdaughter.
Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by Cadec007(m): 2:00am On Aug 20, 2019
Princeton92:

Mercedes Benz - MayBach
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Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by favour32(m): 5:00am On Aug 20, 2019
Innoson dey try.
Go copy if e easy.
Na copy nai China use be don for economy matter for the world today so tey USA taya.
Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by Princeton92(m): 6:17am On Aug 20, 2019
Cadec007:
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Hmmmmm
Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by INDUSTRIALFAN(m): 6:24am On Aug 20, 2019
OndoTrends:
"Buy Innoson, Buy innoson"

Last Last, na still China made
grin
Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by Henri8: 7:52am On Aug 20, 2019
So?
Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by litaninja(m): 10:46am On Aug 20, 2019
Innoson wants to sell SUV for 14M......to whom?

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Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by alphaNomega: 3:15pm On Aug 22, 2019
obafemee80:




We have shown you the side-by-side differences between the iconic vehicle that inspired the Chinese made BAIC BJ80 SUV, i mean the Mercedes-Benz G-Wagon, and the Innoson IVM G80 luxury SUV.

But the question that reminded unanswered is : Is the Innoson G80 truly a made-in-Nigeria SUV or just Nigerian-assembled version of the Chinese made BAIC BJ80 SUV?

According to the wiki page of BAIC BJ80 SUV, the Innoson G80 is a variant of the mid-size four-wheel drive luxury SUV that is manufactured by BAIC Motor under Beijing Auto Works (BAW), a subsidiary of Beijing Auto Industry Corporation (BAIC).







Other variants includes the diesel powered BJ80D and the BJ80J military version. It also has a Czech-made version, the SVOS 80, as well as an Armored vehicle version, with steel and kevlar plating.

The BJ80 starts from 288,000 yuan to 298,000 Yuan, which is equivalent to about ₦14,900,000 to ₦15,400,000, excluding cost of shipping and clearing in Nigeria. The Innoson IVM G80 SUV starts at ₦27,825,000.





The similarities between the BAIC BJ80 and the Innoson G80 are not limited to the outside but continues inside with the G80 sporting the same dashboard styling as the Chinese BAIC BJ80 SUV.

According to the INNOSON, 70% of all its car parts are produced in Nigeria, while the rest is sourced from Japan, China, and Germany.

What Do You Think? 

https://autojosh.com/innoson-ivm-g80-a-rebadged-chinese-made-baic-bj80-suv-see-the-similarities/

Yes. Yes it is.

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Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by Gha9boy(m): 3:10pm On Oct 10, 2019
Wow
Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by Midas02(m): 9:43pm On Mar 08, 2020
A lot of comments I see here shows how little we Nigerians know about how industries really work. As much as we claim to love cars, we really have no clue about the industry! Innoson (IVM) is nothing but an SKD assembly plant!! I do not want to take anything away from his efforts as an industrialist, but com'on guys, we need to start coming clean on issues rather than making deceitful claims - it is the first rule of international business! Innoson really does what any other third world aspiring investor would do - he went to China, struck a deal with an OEM manufacturer who is looking to expand their market (BAIC in this instance) and then proceeded to start a simple assembly process using SKDs (Semi-Knocked down parts) from the OEM (BAIC). This in a nutshell, is IVM's business model. Quite unfortunately, rather than look at facts, many of our fellow countrymen will keep propagating lies (because nah from my village nah!) and keep wallowing in ignorance. Innoson is doing what is needed to grow an industry and if he keeps having success, perhaps at some point in the far future, the company may actually have the funds and the R&grin department needed to develop an indigenous product.! For now however, all we have is an assembly plant - one that is a great deal inferior to what PAN and VWON had been able to accomplish in the 70s and early 80s. And if you ask me why? Well, PAN and VWON were fully fledged assembly plants that were capable of a complete assembly processes (called CKD assembly). CKD (Completely Knocked Down parts) plants, unlike Semi-Knocked Down (SKD) plants, involves putting together hundreds of components and parts that came in bolts and nuts pieces which often includes structural welding and paint shop! SKD on the other hand is like a starters kit in which most of the components come pre-assembled and painted, you only need to couple the major components together to have a car! Again, CKD comes in pieces, while SKD comes in Component parts. The only thing that was missing from the former PAN and VWON operation in being able to completely manufacture was that there was no Sheet metal stamping, robotic welds, design department and R&grin! If you ask me, Nigeria was a lot more advanced in the 70s! Most of the auto manufacturers in Nigeria now simply do SKD and that is why they can get by with such small assembly plants! In finality, for the sake of the stubborn ones in our midst, I will break down the source of each of Innoson's car models for you:

1. Innoson G80 is simply a locally assembled and rebadged BAIC BJ80
2. Innoson G40 again is a locally assembled and rebadged BAIC BJ40
3. Innoson G6 is a locally assembled & rebadged Zhongxing ZX Tiger SUV (an obscure Chinese manufacturer)
4. Innoson G5 is a locally assembled & rebadged Gonow Aoosed G5 (A subsidiary of GAC)
5. Innoson Granite is a locally assembled & rebadged Zhongxing ZX Terralord
6. Innoson Carrier is a locally assembled & rebadged Zhongxing ZX Tiger TUV
7. Innoson G20 is a locally assembled & rebadged Weiwang M20 (Weiwang is a subsidiary of BAIC)
8. Innoson Fox is a locally assembled & rebadged BAIC E150/E130 Hatchback
9. Innoson Umu is a locally assembled & rebadged BAIC E150/E130 Sedan
10. Innoson 6540 bus is basically a locally assembled & rebadged Foton View (Itself an unauthorized copy of Toyota's 5th Gen. Hiace) *
11. Innoson 5000 Van is basically a locally assembled & rebadged Foton Alpha (Itself an unauthorised copy of Toyota's 4th Gen. Hiace) *
* Note: Foton is yet another subsidiary of BAIC!

And there you have it - a complete and undiluted synopsis on the basis, origin and source of Innoson vehicles! IVM's much taunted automobile 'original manufacturing' claims are largely false! If anyone is still in doubt, google is your friend - please make use of it!

In my opinion, it would have been better and more credible to simply be truthful and own up to the fact that as a young company, they have no proprietary technology and indeed can't be expected to have one for many years. Being an Assembly plant is good enough for many developed countries and I see no reason to lie!

My two cents.

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Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by revilomichaels(m): 5:33am On Mar 09, 2020
Innoson is a company I will always support but I pray he improves for the company to move forward. It will shock you to know that in west Africa, No country produces any tangible part of a car. Not even plug

Also,innoson is not price friendly to be able to push his market in just like Tata did in India.
If baijs80 is sold for 15 million in China, I can actually buy it and bring it down here for 17 million against the 27 million innoson version.

Also, the man should leave Range Rover and drive his car as his official vehicle. That will promote him better. He should sponsor films!!!
Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by sultaan(m): 6:56am On Mar 09, 2020
Midas02:
A lot of comments I see here shows how little we Nigerians know about how industries really work. As much as we claim to love cars, we really have no clue about the industry! Innoson (IVM) is nothing but an SKD assembly plant. I do not want to take anything away from his efforts as an industrialist, but com'on guys, we need to start coming clean on issues rather than making deceitful claims - it is the first rule of international business! Innoson really does what any other third world aspiring investor would do - he went to China, struck a deal with an OEM manufacturer who is looking to expand their market (BAIC in this instance) and then proceeded to start a simple assembly process using SKDs (Semi-Knocked down parts) from the OEM (BAIC). This in a nutshell, is IVM's business model. Quite unfortunately, rather than look at facts, many of our fellow countrymen will keep propagating lies (because nah from my village nah!) and keep wallowing in ignorance. Innoson is doing what is needed to grow an industry and if he keeps having success, perhaps at some point in the far future, the company may actually have the funds and the R&grin department needed to develop an indigenous product.! For now however, all we have is an assembly plant - one that is a great deal inferior to what PAN and VWON had been able to accomplish in the 70s and early 80s. And if you ask me why? Well, PAN and VWON were fully fledged assembly plants that were capable of a complete assembly processes (called CKD assembly). CKD (Completely Knocked Down parts) plants, unlike Semi-Knocked Down (SKD) plants, involves putting together hundreds of components and parts that came in bolts and nuts pieces which often includes structural welding and paint shop! SKD on the other hand is like a starters kit in which most of the components come pre-assembled and painted, you only need to couple the major components together to have a car! Again, CKD comes in pieces, while SKD comes in Component parts. The only thing that was missing from the former PAN and VWON operation in being able to completely manufacture was that there was no Sheet metal stamping, robotic welds, design department and R&grin! If you ask me, Nigeria was a lot more advanced in the 70s! Most of the auto manufacturers in Nigeria now simply do SKD and that is why they can get by with such small assembly plants! In finality, for the sake of the stubborn ones in our midst, I will break down the source of each of Innoson's car models for you:

1. Innoson G80 is simply a locally assembled and rebadged BAIC BJ80
2. Innoson G40 again is a locally assembled and rebadged BAIC BJ40
3. Innoson G6 is a locally assembled & rebadged Zhongxing ZX Tiger SUV (an obscure Chinese manufacturer)
4. Innoson G5 is a locally assembled & rebadged Gonow Aoosed G5 (A subsidiary of GAC)
5. Innoson Granite is a locally assembled & rebadged Zhongxing ZX Terralord
6. Innoson Carrier is a locally assembled & rebadged Zhongxing ZX Tiger TUV
7. Innoson G20 is a locally assembled & rebadged Weiwang M20 (Weiwang is a subsidiary of BAIC)
8. Innoson Fox is a locally assembled & rebadged BAIC E150/E130 Hatchback
9. Innoson Umu is a locally assembled & rebadged BAIC E150/E130 Sedan
10. Innoson 6540 bus is basically a locally assembled & rebadged Foton View (Itself an unauthorized copy of Toyota's 5th Gen. Hiace) *
11. Innoson 5000 Van is basically a locally assembled & rebadged Foton Alpha (Itself an unauthorised copy of Toyota's 4th Gen. Hiace) *
* Note: Foton is yet another subsidiary of BAIC!

And there you have it - a complete and undiluted synopsis on the basis, origin and source of Innoson vehicles! IVM's much taunted automobile 'original manufacturing' claims are largely false! If anyone is still in doubt, google is your friend - please make use of it!

In my opinion, it would have been better and more credible to simply be truthful and own up to the fact that as a young company, they have no proprietary technology and indeed can't be expected to have one for many years. Being an Assembly plant is good enough for many developed countries and I see no reason to lie!

My two cents.


You are partially right with your description of each Innoson model, but you will be very right if you replaced the word "locally assembled" with "imported"
Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by Midas02(m): 9:02am On Mar 09, 2020
sultaan:


You are partially right with your description of each Innoson model, but you will be very right if you replaced the word "locally assembled" with "imported"

As I said, Innoson does assemble from SKD components - this makes them a local assembly plant. There is currently a Nigerian policy (Nigerian Automotive Industry development Plan (NAIDP)) that has been implemented since 2016 which now makes it attractive for Manufacturers and investors to set up small local SKD assembly plants. Innoson, like many others, is simply taking advantage of this. Nevertheless, you are also correct that some of these models are "imported". I am not sure which ones are imported (I don't have the data) but from the pricing, I do suspect that both the G80 and the G40 are simply imported! The NAIDP policy allows and encourages local assembly manufacturers to import 2 vehicles for every vehicle assembled in Nigeria - for this, they get a reduced duty rate (35%) instead of (70%)! At N27 million, it is pretty obvious that the G80 is one of those ones imported!
Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by DabuIIIT: 8:32pm On Mar 09, 2020
Commentor:


Innosons hasn't done anything special.

He has gone to China asked them to put his name on a product that already exists whilst passing it off as a "Made in Nigeria" product.

Does he design the product?

Does he conceptualize anything about it?

Why do we then make it seem he's doing something Peugeot isn't already doing in Nigeria?

Says a wheelbarrow wagon expert
grin

Lzaa immhotep

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Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by LZAA: 9:24pm On Mar 09, 2020
DabuIIIT:


Says a wheelbarrow wagon expert
grin

Lzaa immhotep
grin grin

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Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by sultaan(m): 6:12am On Mar 10, 2020
I still maintain the opinion that Innoson does not assembly any car or SUV.

What he has is a mock assembly line with a few demo units he uses for PR and import almost everything else he sells.
I think the buses is the only model the line is set for and those things are moving coffins.
The day we stop lying to ourselves is the day we realize how deep the mess we are in as a people

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Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by Commentor: 7:33pm On Mar 10, 2020
DabuIIIT:


Says a wheelbarrow wagon expert
grin

Lzaa immhotep

Re: Is Innoson IVM G80 A Rebadged Chinese-Made BAIC BJ80 SUV? See The Similarities by Stirling0: 9:41pm On Mar 10, 2020
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