orisa37:
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I don't know whose ancestors can be comparable to that of Jesus(Anobi Isa) and the three wisemen who came from the far East to prostrate and give Jesus Gifts..
OBJ is training that 59 year old, Oba, a Heavenly Lesson in Knowledge and Understanding.
Those who have eyes and ears, let them see and understand what the Spirit is saying.

But the wisemen’s decendants did not keep prostrating to Jesus decendants ad infinitum.
“Spirit is saying” - typical of those trick talks used in keeping people subjugated

yeyeosoronga:


Obasanjo may be old, but is definitely not frail at the moment. He is still going strong. Many of his age mates would never attempt going to the palace, talkmore of prostrating. You're using the one rule applies to all in this situation, but rather should have assessed individual circumstances.
A king's father can never visit the palace, because he wouldn't want to prostrate to his son. Rather than that, he would stay in the confines of home, and will never be seen with his son in public at any function. So also will I not expect to see a frail elder in the palace
Personally, I believe Obasanjo is just a show off. He doesn't even use a walking stick and is still very agile at his age. Some of his mates or even younger are bedridden and housebound now, but see him still jumping around like a man in his 60s.

And u think that makes sense? U miss the point: an elderly man should not be prostrating to a young man under any circumstances, agile or not. There are other ways of showing due respect without prostrating on the floor.

yeyeosoronga:


Not all old men can do what Obasanjo has done, and nobody would fault them. Even the queen of England receives bows and curtesies from her subjects. It is their tradition, and they're not changing it anytime soon despite all the social advancement in their society.

Notice u said bow not prostrate on the floor. Even at that UK would surely have abolished the monarchy but for the tourist money it brings in. Even at that a sizable proportion of UK wants the monarchy abolished

CanadaOrBust:


But the wisemen’s decendants did not keep prostrating to Jesus decendants ad infinitum.
“Spirit is saying” - typical of those trick talks used in keeping people subjugated

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Easy.

Obas are Traditionally second in command to God in Heaven. So subjugation to subservience to their authority is righteous traditionally before God.


The Military actually bastardised traditional Authorities. Let us therefore say that OBJ is REPENTING.

orisa37:
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Easy.

Obas are Traditionally second in command to God in Heaven. So subjugation to subservience to their authority is righteous traditionally before God.


The Military actually bastardised traditional Authorities. Let us therefore say that OBJ is REPENTING.

Ok, so they managed to fool the ancestors with such talk. Of course we know better but let’s just allow it for the sake of tradition. But do we have to allow it to the extent that an elderly person is prostrating to his grandson’s mate??!!

CanadaOrBust:


Ok, so they managed to fool the ancestors with such talk. Of course we know better but let’s just allow it for the sake of tradition. But do we have to allow it to the extent that an elderly person is prostrating to his grandson’s mate??!!

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"Your Sceptre O God, My God is That of Righteousness". Heb.
God was like prostrating in Recognition and Reestablishing The Righteousness of J.C.
Love is The Son of Majesty and Worship. And Worship is Reverence and bowing in salutation and Praises.
Kabiesi Ekeji Orisa. You don't do that standing.

CanadaOrBust:


Notice u said bow not prostrate on the floor. Even at that UK would surely have abolished the monarchy but for the tourist money it brings in. Even at that a sizable proportion of UK wants the monarchy abolished

Bowing or prostrating is all still part of different cultures. Hausa men kneel to greet their elders or someone they hold in high esteem. It's the reason behind it that matters, and not how they choose to do it, provided it's not hazardous or hurting anyone.
Prostrating or kneeling doesn't hurt anyone my dear. Even the case of bowing, you can use the excuse that people suffer from neck pain due to problems with their neck bones as they age hence they should scrape bowing down to their monarchy in English tradition.
About abolishing the mornarchy, that's all assumptions. Many UK residents still want to hold on to some of their culture. Majority don't joke with their monarchy, no matter how woke they are. Every human (majority, as there can never be a 100%) on earth wants to be linked to a culture, especially if it's not a wicked culture as it creates a sense of belonging

CanadaOrBust:


And u think that makes sense? U miss the point: an elderly man should not be prostrating to a young man under any circumstances, agile or not. There are other ways of showing due respect without prostrating on the floor.

That's YOUR own belief regarding other ways of showing respect. An elderly British man will bow to Prince George, the 5 year old, 3rd in line to the throne of England.
You cannot tell people how to show respect. Do you believe prostrating makes you less of a human being? Some of us don't see prostrating that way, rather it makes us more human. Normally, a young man should prostrate to an elder in Yoruba land. That is the norm.
However, our kings are seen as deities/gods. That status supersedes the age of Metuselah, who is but just a man.

Yes, the former President is demonstrating here what it means to respect tradition. Respect for tradition is not about money or age, hence, it is a part of his legacy for the coming generation. May God bless him; an epitome for respect for tradition.

yeyeosoronga:


That's YOUR own belief regarding other ways of showing respect. An elderly British man will bow to Prince George, the 5 year old, 3rd in line to the throne of England.
You cannot tell people how to show respect. Do you believe prostrating makes you less of a human being? Some of us don't see prostrating that way, rather it makes us more human. Normally, a young man should prostrate to an elder in Yoruba land. That is the norm.
However, our kings are seen as deities/gods. That status supersedes the age of Metuselah, who is but just a man.

U make it sound as if just because the British does something that makes it right. Also we are NOT talking of MY beliefs, we are talking about customs that make no sense. We have discarded many and will discard many more. All it takes is for enough radicals to say, “Wait a minute, this is ridiculous. Why do we keep doing this?!” It is ok to give a nod to tradition, but it is not ok to carry it to the extent where elderly people are risking injury and dirtying their clothes on the floor.

yeyeosoronga:


Bowing or prostrating is all still part of different cultures. Hausa men kneel to greet their elders or someone they hold in high esteem. It's the reason behind it that matters, and not how they choose to do it, provided it's not hazardous or hurting anyone.
Prostrating or kneeling doesn't hurt anyone my dear. Even the case of bowing, you can use the excuse that people suffer from neck pain due to problems with their neck bones as they age hence they should scrape bowing down to their monarchy in English tradition.
About abolishing the mornarchy, that's all assumptions. Many UK residents still want to hold on to some of their culture. Majority don't joke with their monarchy, no matter how woke they are. Every human (majority, as there can never be a 100%) on earth wants to be linked to a culture, especially if it's not a wicked culture as it creates a sense of belonging

Just because the Hausa or British do something doesn’t automatically make it right. There are customs that simply make no sense. We have discarded many and will discard many more. All it takes is for enough radicals to say, “Wait a minute, this is ridiculous. Why do we keep doing this?!” It is ok to give a nod to tradition, but it is obviously not ok to carry it to the extent where elderly people are risking injury and dirtying their clothes on the floor.
Orisa37
Philoedu

CanadaOrBust:


U make it sound as if just because the British does something that makes it right. Also we are NOT talking of MY beliefs, we are talking about customs that make no sense. We have discarded many and will discard many more. All it takes is for enough radicals to say, “Wait a minute, this is ridiculous. Why do we keep doing this?!” It is ok to give a nod to tradition, but it is not ok to carry it to the extent where elderly people are risking injury and dirtying their clothes on the floor.

It's your belief the culture makes no sense. Millions of us worldwide disagree with that. Nobody will force you to do so, and you cannot force anyone not to do so.

yeyeosoronga:


It's your belief the culture makes no sense. Millions of us worldwide disagree with that. Nobody will force you to do so, and you cannot force anyone not to do so.

There are things that make sense or not, regardless of my belief. Example, if u beat your wife daily solely because it’s a tradition in your family - it makes no sense, regardless of what I believe

CanadaOrBust:


But we have discarded many, many traditions because they made no sense. Don’t blindly follow something just because it’s called tradition. It should never be ok for a frail old man to go to the trouble and risk of prostrating to a young man especially when it is probably based on subjugation perpetrated by the young man’s ancestors.

It's not about the young man's ancestors. It's about the Yoruba heritage. Yeah there are some tradition we should drop, but dis one isn't part of it. Respect, ethics and reverence are very core in sustaining our tradition. We can't just eradicate all our cultural heritage and identity because of the emergence of civilization. Chinese people won't drop any of their tradition for anything in the world, even India and Japan among others. But does that stop from advancing as a nation? Whites tell their dad "You're Crazy" "Bleep you dad" and the likes, should we adopt that too because we are advancing? There's nothing wrong in OBJ prostrating for a young monarch, tradition is tradition.

Dagrace01:
It's not about the young man's ancestors. It's about the Yoruba heritage. Yeah there are some tradition we should drop, but dis one isn't part of it. Respect, ethics and reverence are very core in sustaining our tradition. We can't just eradicate all our cultural heritage and identity because of the emergence of civilization. Chinese people won't drop any of their tradition for anything in the world, even India and Japan among others. But does that stop from advancing as a nation? Whites tell their dad "You're Crazy" "Bleep you dad" and the likes, should we adopt that too because we are advancing? There's nothing wrong in OBJ prostrating for a young monarch, tradition is tradition.

It is about everything taken together. We shouldn’t pretend our traditions have no beginning or that we can’t guess how and why it likely began and by whom. We take all that into consideration in deciding wether elderly people should keep risking injury and dirtying their clothes or wether it is enough that they bow and tip their hats.

CanadaOrBust:


It is about everything taken together. We shouldn’t pretend our traditions have no beginning or that we can’t guess how and why it likely began and by whom. We take all that into consideration in deciding wether elderly people should keep risking injury and dirtying their clothes or wether it is enough that they bow and tip their hats.

If the old man isn't fit enough to do so then he can take a bow! If Obj had decided not to prostrate, no one will hold him responsible, it was his choice to obey tradition, which a good thing to do. Most Yoruba youths in Lagos today only take a slight bow to elderly people. We met these traditions like dis, so do our fore-fathers. Just as the Scottish male met wearing of skirts which they still do till today. Shaking of hands is a Western(european) tradition which had spanned to centuries, now we left our own ways of doing things for theirs, of which they won't ever drop theirs for anything in the world

Kingosytex:


I wouldn't say there is, but the way Yorubas value their's is legendary.

Culture changes with time. We all value our cultures.