shadeyinka:

You asked a question and I replied you!

In a closed system, the matter within the system is constant but, energy is allowed to be transferred from system to surroundings and vice versa. In an isolated system, neither matter nor energy transfer between a system and its surroundings are allowed.

In a proper sense, the universe is isolated. In an improper sense, closed.

Then you have to prove it and stop repeating the same phrase over and over again.

Just like you have real data to support either the BBT or the gravitational singleton.

I've answered you this before!


Conscious and Intelligent Programmer

The source is at Higher dimension of existence (so, to you in 3D you see "a disembodied being" : which is impossible in your 3D existence).

A 3D existence can comprehend 2D or 1D existence, but the reverse is impossible. For a 1D or 2D existence is just a mere subset of 3D existence.

Let me give you a test:
Can you describe visually how existence in 4D or 5D will look like?

Only the deluded think that their conjectures cannot be refuted.

LordReed:


Are you drunk or intoxicated in some manner? Or are you on hallucinogenics? Substance abuse is bad for your health.

LordReed:


What does proper and improper sense mean in this context?

LordReed:

I am repeating because you have not proved your claim. It is you making the claim not me.

LordReed:

Good, go disprove the scientists and claim your Nobel.

1. Where was that? Link to it.

LordReed:

2. There was no DNA at the start if the universe so how does it tie into the energy?

LordReed:

3. I can't imagine a 4 or 5 D being. Can you?

LordReed:

Glad you agree.

shadeyinka:

As you have used it in your question (improper sense)

You gave made an assertion: prove it

Check previous posts


Don't act dummy!


But you'll agree that if 4D and 5D exist, they can surely interact at 3D level?

LordReed:


So if I asked properly the universe is isolated? So when you said the universe was closed you used it improperly?



Nope you did, I am just telling you the result of your claim.




1. Ok. You answer is because chaos can't form atoms?
2. And you don't have to be a cunt. DNA was not present at the start of the universe and you are here invoking it to prove conditions before the start of the universe.
3. I don't know, I can't imagine a 4 or 5D being. Can you imagine one?

shadeyinka:

You are going aimlessly round trip n circles. Using properly means in its proper exact sense. Except you mean a different thing: if you do, let's have it.

@Bolded
Buhari is Jubril!
Buhari is not Jubril!

If you wouldn't accept my arguments for why Buhari is Jubril, then You should start why Buhari is Not Jubril else shut up.

@2
Your point is lame. The car electronics was not there when the car engine was casted from Aluminium: meaning the car designer didn't make the car electronics!!!!!

@3. That's why you can't comprehend spiritual things.

LordReed:


So the universe is an isolated system is what you are saying?



Buhari is Jubril
How do you know?
Because they have the same type of nose
That does not prove Buhari is Jubril
Why don't you prove Buhari is not Jubril?
Because I didn't claim Buhari is not Jubril

Yeah come shut me up you lil cunt.



And you are dumb because car electronics are not always manufactured by the maker of the engine.

Like I care about imaginary beings.

shadeyinka:

Reed,
I guess you've got nothing else to say. Nothing smart has come from you in the last five posts. Note how you have completely digressed from the issue at stake.

I give you time to go do your research (and ask questions from Atheists forums) and compose a proper rebuttal : till then, this conversation is suspended!

LordReed:


Please go and rest, you've been yapping nonsense all along and I humor you so we can have a discussion but you get it into your head that you are actually making sense.

Go write your cosmology paper detailing how you know that the universe is an isolated system properly and a closed system improperly. Nonsense and ingredients.

shadeyinka:

Escapist Strategy: I'm not surprised.
Go do your homework!
Tick tock!
Tick tock!!

..I waiting!

LordReed:


I am waiting for your cosmology paper, not even notable cosmologists claim to know what type of system the universe is. You rabblerouser on NL knows what system the universe is. LMFAO!

dragonflyy:
Why?

Vic2Ree:

You sure know how to put up with nonsense. I admire all you guys' patience. These christians are complete frauds. If they know so much about the universe, why have they not obtained their Nobel awards.

@shadeyinka, all that physics and you still can't prove your Jehovah. Wetin u gain?

LordReed:


Like my dear buda would say they love to believe the nonsense they cook up in their heads thats why it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. I try to shine a light on bad ideas and information but I tell you its a thankless task.

I swear @bolded. I've had a few back and forths with stubborn christians in the past and after a while, i realised its of no use really. They push arguments of deist god and use it conclude that their favourite monotheistic god exists. The most frustrating part is that they'll view your lack of response as a victory for themselves and a defeat of you, even though their arguments are just too stupid to respond to. LoL

Vic2Ree:

I swear @bolded. I've had a few back and forths with stubborn christians in the past and after a while, i realised its of no use really. They push arguments of deist god and use it conclude that their favourite monotheistic god exists. The most frustrating part is that they'll view your lack of response as a victory for themselves and a defeat of you, even though their arguments are just too stupid to respond to. LoL

Vic2Ree:

You sure know how to put up with nonsense. I admire all you guys' patience. These christians are complete frauds. If they know so much about the universe, why have they not obtained their Nobel awards.

@shadeyinka, all that physics and you still can't prove your Jehovah. Wetin u gain?

Vic2Ree:

I swear @bolded. I've had a few back and forths with stubborn christians in the past and after a while, i realised its of no use really. They push arguments of deist god and use it conclude that their favourite monotheistic god exists. The most frustrating part is that they'll view your lack of response as a victory for themselves and a defeat of you, even though their arguments are just too stupid to respond to. LoL

LordReed:


Please go and rest, you've been yapping nonsense all along and I humor you so we can have a discussion but you get it into your head that you are actually making sense.

Go write your cosmology paper detailing how you know that the universe is an isolated system properly and a closed system improperly. Nonsense and ingredients.

LordReed:


I am waiting for your cosmology paper, not even notable cosmologists claim to know what type of system the universe is. You rabblerouser on NL knows what system the universe is. LMFAO!

Truly isolated physical systems do not exist in reality (except perhaps for the universe as a whole), because, for example, there is always gravity between a system with mass and masses elsewhere.[22][23][24][25][26]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic_system

shadeyinka:

Don't be silly!
You think anyone can prove God!!??

After tearing your people to shreds with the sciences you claim to rely on.

I know your problem. You've searched through all the Atheist forums you know for rebuttals and you couldn't find suitable ones: hence you brey like a cornered donkey because I use elementary (commonly available knowledge) physics, computer, electronics, biology and common sense knowledge available to all to show your faulty conclusion. SMH!

What have I gained!?
Satisfaction of your guys failing in what they they "pride" in as their god!



So, you think my arguments have been Deist's? SMH
I've never cared a hoot about any Deist. Saying this actually is a proof that my jab pained you (whether you pretend to admit it or not).


BTW: I never knew you "feared" Deists this much! SMH!

LoL! Are you done sucking your own dick?

shadeyinka:


Truly isolated physical systems do not exist in reality (except perhaps for the universe as a whole), because, for example, there is always gravity between a system with mass and masses elsewhere.[22][23][24][25][26]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic_system

Vic2Ree:

LoL! Are you done sucking your own dick?

shadeyinka:

The fact is that the an infinite regression of cause and effect with respect to the creation of the universe alone does not prove God but it shows that something/someone outside this universe who is unbound by time, space, energy and mass initiated the change that led to the formation of this universe.

Except the BB was controlled by this external Force to the universe, the BB would have been an ordinary explosion which would result into chaos at best.

You cannot empirically prove that which you cannot grasp

The fact that ALL physics and chemical laws breakdown before the BB and at times t less than the Planks time after the BB reinforces the fact that whatever initiated the creation/expansion of the universe cannot be subject to the laws of nature. You can't Empirically prove that which you cannot grasp.

You see why this is an unthought question: hard Empirical Physical Evidence for the one who initiated the laws of physics and chemistry!!!

I can see you getting emotional here!

Sorry, there is no new assertion.
Just plain knowledge accessible to everyone. The implication of what you've always known as theory was just pointed out to you. Knowing you Atheists on NL, you would have torn me to shreds if you had a better counter opinion.

Blabbermouth:

Who do you seek to impress with this long write up of 99% bullshit and 1% inquiry.
The topic was "Who created God" and I demonstrated to you how the question is invalid to a theist, its the atheist headache.
Thank God you understood that portion.
Now, to the "Prove your God with facts and evidence".
What type of evidence would convince you, what type of fact? As far as I know, Yinka has been twisting you in and out with the same science you trust. The same physics you thought its gat your back. Hahahahahahaha, don't take it personal, you cant stand the heat.
Go to your coven, exactly what shadeyinka postulated and backed up with science was laid down there. Read from page 196 of your homely " Non-christain thread". It's the main reason why the place is now like a graveyard, quiet for they had been silenced.
Go and fortify yourself. On another thread, Alhaji LordReed is taking measurable steps,.digressing and cowardly

The topic was "Who created God" and I demonstrated to you how the question is invalid to a theist, its the atheist headache

As far as I know...

shadeyinka:

What a Vile mind!
This is what atheism has reduced you to!? SMH!
What a vile mind!

Spoken like a true christard. LoL!

Ogbeni, quit sucking your own dick. I don't even need to debate. Let no man deceive you, dem don dey school ur dumbass tey tey i just dey here dey laugh u .

Go grab ur nobel award and stop claiming Ph.D in Physics on Nairaland .

cc. MJBOLT come take a look at this loser. LMFAO

LordReed:


It is called speculation, embrace that word.

Vic2Ree:

Spoken like a true christard. LoL!

Ogbeni, quit sucking your own dick. I don't even need to debate. Let no man deceive you, dem don dey school ur dumbass tey tey i just dey here dey laugh u .

Go grab ur nobel award and stop claiming Ph.D in Physics on Nairaland .

cc. MJBOLT come take a look at this loser. LMFAO

shadeyinka:

Your temper tantrum doesn't move anyone. That's exactly how your master behaves...."Like a toothless roaring lion".

And now the scientist has departed and the true religious dogmatist rears his head. LoL!. You just mad you can't prove ur Jehovah even with all ur physics. Olodo oponu. LMFAO!

My 100L physics is good enough for you: you are angry you couldn't find COPY-PASTE to answer for your folly! SMH!

Who's sounding mad now? . I don't need to debate you after what you've been through already in this thread. Dat na double wahala 4 dead bodi . Ogbeni go and claim your Nobel. If u like insult me 4rm morning till night, you still can't prove your Jehovah

shadeyinka:

Always read for comprehension!
Five journal paper references backing the quoted sentence and it's still a speculation to you. SMH!

Then, don't take it serious as you take BBT seriously or gravitational singleton or quantum fluctuation etc.
You can't break the ladder you intend to climb.

The only alternative is if the word "Isolated system" doesn't even exist!