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Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by medjai(m): 6:17pm On Nov 08, 2010
If it's by European trophy then Eriksson is a good coach?
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by dayokanu(m): 6:25pm On Nov 08, 2010
Yes Erikson is a good coach.

He won the last edition of the Cup winners cup with SS lazio in 1999 and won the Super cup by beating Man utd

Something wenger has never come close to doing in almost 30yrs
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by medjai(m): 7:05pm On Nov 08, 2010
dayokanu:

Yes Erikson is a good coach.

He won the last edition of the Cup winners cup with SS lazio in 1999 and won the Super cup by beating Man utd

Something wenger has never come close to doing in almost 30yrs
He is so good that his last and current employers are Notts County and Leceister City, championship sides.
He is so good that he led Man City to an 8-1 ignominious defeat at the hands Boro and also not forgetting his failure to deliver for England.
Eriksson > Wenger, how does that sound to you?
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by dayokanu(m): 8:57pm On Nov 08, 2010
Erikkson >>>>>>> Wenger.

Erikkson took England to the World cup quarters in both attempts, Which other coach has taken them that far since. What more do you want Erikkson to deliver for England? Do you want him to win trophies with those planks that play for England?

Have you forgotten how wenGAY led his team to a 6-1 defeat from manure ?
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by medjai(m): 10:55pm On Nov 08, 2010
How is Eriksson better than Wenger when Wenger has a 2-0 H2H record against him?
Arsenal beat Eriksson led City 3-1 and 1-0.
Despite the millions invested by Shinawatra, City could not make a top 6 finish under Eriksson.
Arsenal lost 6-1 to United? No big deal. United are a top side but losing 8-1 to Boro is shameful to say the least.
If indeed Eriksson is better than Wenger, he should be coaching one of the top sides in Europe and not moving from one championship club to another
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by jalether(m): 1:03am On Nov 09, 2010
My top three epl coaches would be

Alex Fergusson

Carlotti

David Moyes- while this might come across as a controversial choice to some trophy inclined individuals, I feel this man has done an outstanding

job given the resources he has had to work with, he has exceptional eye for spotting talent/potentials coupled with a remarkable man management

skills. . he simply gets the best out of his players and he's more than capable of succeeding at a bigger club.
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by chelseabmw(m): 6:10am On Nov 09, 2010
^^^^^^

same here
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by HNIC(m): 2:52pm On Nov 09, 2010
jalether:



David Moyes- while this might come across as a controversial choice to some trophy inclined individuals, I feel this man has done an outstanding
Hehehehehe
Are you excluding yourself from that exclusive club where you are a member of the exco grin
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by jalether(m): 4:18pm On Nov 09, 2010
HNIC:

Hehehehehe
Are you excluding yourself from that exclusive club where you are a member of the exco grin

sharrap for there grin grin grin grin

A case can definitely be made for Moyes unlike Wengay tongue tongue. While I may be trophy inclined to an extent, I'm also up for giving honour to whom it's due

You sef no fit deny this man's ingenuity. . . give him a team like spurs,man city, Chelsea and see the wonders he will perform
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by dayokanu(m): 5:14pm On Nov 09, 2010
medjai:

How is Eriksson better than Wenger when Wenger has a 2-0 H2H record against him?
Arsenal beat Eriksson led City 3-1 and 1-0.
Despite the millions invested by Shinawatra, City could not make a top 6 finish under Eriksson.
Arsenal lost 6-1 to United? No big deal. United are a top side but losing 8-1 to Boro is shameful to say the least.
If indeed Eriksson is better than Wenger, he should be coaching one of the top sides in Europe and not moving from one championship club to another

What is Erikkson record vs Ferguson in H2H?

The fact is Eriksson won a European trophy Wenger has never come close in 30yrs.

How can a top coach be without trophies in 5 seasons or without a European trophy in 30yrs coaching the same side
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by medjai(m): 8:00am On Nov 10, 2010
Your standard of measuring how good coaches are based on the number of continental trophies they have won is greatly flawed; inane.
Eriksson has failed everywhere else he has been at after Lazio- England, Mexico, City, Notts County despite winning the UEFA Cup and Super cup with Lazio.
Going by your standards, Wenger has won silver in the UEFA Cup and Champions League, shouldn't that count for something?
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by hustler(m): 8:32am On Nov 10, 2010
Carlo Ancelotti, Roberto Mancini and Robert Di Matteo.


Yea Right 3 Italians running the shitty Epl leaague grin grin grin tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by hustler(m): 8:34am On Nov 10, 2010
is ther any such thing as silver in the UCL, It's either u lift the trophy or you dont' WTF
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by Fest7: 8:34am On Nov 10, 2010
(1)Almighty Sir Alex Ferguson(2)Harry Redknapped(3)The coach of sunderland
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by dayokanu(m): 5:41pm On Nov 10, 2010
@Hustler you dey mind am?

What does Silver mean?

Didnt Didier Deschamps too win a Silver at the CL as a coach?

Eriksson was succesful at lazio, Was the most succesful English coach since 1990. He took Mexico to the World cup Second Round What were you expecting of him? Win World cup with Mexico?

He spent one season with Man City. How can you judge a coach based on one season performance. But when we are talking about a serial failure like wenGAR who has been coaching the same team for 14yrs and all he has to show is 3 league titles.

In 30yrs No European trophy. What a disgrace to coaches
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by medjai(m): 8:44pm On Nov 10, 2010
dayokanu:

@Hustler you dey mind am?

What does Silver mean?

Didnt Didier Deschamps too win a Silver at the CL as a coach?

Eriksson was succesful at lazio, Was the most succesful English coach since 1990. He took Mexico to the World cup Second Round What were you expecting of him? Win World cup with Mexico?

He spent one season with Man City. How can you judge a coach based on one season performance. But when we are talking about a serial failure like wenGAR who has been coaching the same team for 14yrs and all he has to show is 3 league titles.

In 30yrs No European trophy. What a disgrace to coaches
Eriksson did not coach Mexico to SA 2010. Javier Aguirre, I think coached them to the last WC where they reached the 2nd round. Mexico were on the brink of not qualifying for the WC so they sacked Eriksson.
Wenger that has won a trophy with every club he has coached(except one) is a bad coach while Eriksson that has succeeded only at Lazio(and maybe in the irrelevant Swedish league) is a good coach? What wisdom??
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by dayokanu(m): 9:00pm On Nov 10, 2010
Can you give us the coaching period of Erikkson in these clubs?

And dont embarras yourself

Göteborg
Svenska Cupen Winners 1979, 1982
Allsvenskan Champions 1982
UEFA Cup Winners 1982

Benfica
Portuguese Liga Champions 1983, 1984, 1991
Cup of Portugal Winners 1983
SuperCup Cândido de Oliveira Champions 1989
European Cup Runners Up 1990
UEFA Cup Runners Up 1983

Roma
Coppa Italia Winners 1986

Sampdoria
Coppa Italia Winners 1994

Lazio
Coppa Italia Winners 1998, 2000
Italian Super Cup Winners 1998, 2000
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup Winners 1999
UEFA Super Cup Winners 1999
Serie A Champions 2000
UEFA Cup Runners Up 1998
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by dayokanu(m): 9:06pm On Nov 10, 2010
Errikson

Won European trophies twice one with Gotenburg and one with lazio. Wenger has never won ANY

Erikson won the league with Lazio in 2000, Before Erikson tell me the last time Lazio won, after Erikson tell me the last time Lazio won

Before Errikson Lazio hasnt won the league in 26yrs, Before Erikson Lazio has never won a European trophy

How can anyone compare that to a failure like Wenger? Before wenger Arsenal won a European trophy, 14yrs after hiring wenGER dem never smell anything close
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by medjai(m): 3:59pm On Nov 11, 2010
My bad. I didn't know Eriksson's CV is this impressive. I guess he has failed so much that you will never have imagined that he is rather a successful coach. But why then the hiatus in his success in recent times?
Wenger too has an impressive CV. He won the league and cup with Monaco and was also a runner-up in the UEFA CWC with Monaco in 91.
He spent one season with Nagoya Grampus in Japan and won the cup and super-cup.
In Arsenal, he was won three league titles, three cups and two super-cups. One runner-up in the UEFA Cup and another in the Champions League and other numerous runner-up in the league, cup and super cup.
He won a double after just his first season with Arsenal.
He has won almost everything there is to win except the Carling cup and a continental title and you cannot use the fact that he hasn't won anything on the continent to denigrate everything else he has achieved.
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by dayokanu(m): 5:27pm On Nov 11, 2010
^^ Wengers CV is only impressive when we are comparing to Allardyce and Mark Hughes. Maybe you can call him the best of mediocres. Then you should call him a local champion because he has never done anything in EUrope

Whats impressive about wining 4league titles in a coaching career of almost 30yrs?



When we are talking about top grade coaches his resume pales in comparison. Mention any top rated coach who has never won a European trophy after close to 30yrs coaching
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by medjai(m): 6:21pm On Nov 11, 2010
If you are to use European trophies as a metric, eventhough I think its inappropriate, it should be only champions league. UEFA Cup is not competitive, anybody can win it.
Shakthar and Zenith St.Petersburg won the UEFA Cup and could not go beyond the group phase of the champions league the following season. Sevilla won it back to back and couldn't go beyond the first knockout round. In recent times, it's only Porto that has won it and gone on to win the champions league.
Arsenal have only participated in it twice under Wenger and have played in the final once. If Arsenal were consistent players in the UEFA cup, they would have won it for keeps
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by dayokanu(m): 6:30pm On Nov 11, 2010
UEFA cup, Winners Cup, CL trophy, Inter Toto whichever one. WHich one has wenGAY won before.

You mean with Monaco and Nantes he wasnt playing UEFA and winners cup? why cant he win?

If others have won something you cant win then they are better than you

UEFA cup is not competitive yet wenGAY was mauled everytime he played there.

Several yrs when Arsenal gets eliminated from CL they drop to UEFA cup and get demolished.
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by medjai(m): 6:43pm On Nov 11, 2010
dayokanu:

UEFA cup, Winners Cup, CL trophy, Inter Toto whichever one. WHich one has wenGAY won before.

You mean with Monaco and Nantes he wasnt playing UEFA and winners cup? why cant he win?

If others have won something you cant win then they are better than you

UEFA cup is not competitive yet wenGAY was mauled everytime he played there.

Several yrs when Arsenal gets eliminated from CL they drop to UEFA cup and get demolished.
seriously, I tire for you. You are an incorrigible Arsenal hater
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by dayokanu(m): 6:53pm On Nov 11, 2010
^^

I hate failure and Arsenal since wenGAY symbolises failure.

Bring hard facts and proove to me why wenGER should be a top coach.

Winning the league? Guy Roux, Paul Le Guen, Martin O Neill, Felix Magath etc have all won the league, WHat differentiates Local champs from great managers is the ability to win continental trophies.

Do you think anyone would reckon with Mourinho, Carlotti, Fergie, van gaal, Hindick, Lippi etc if they never won EUropean trophies?

Whats the diff between coaches in the class of Mourinho, Cappelo, Carlotti, Fergie, van gaal, Hindick, Lippi and

Guy Roux, Paul Le Guen, Martin O Neill, Felix Magath, Roberto Mancini?
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by ritchboy(m): 12:19am On Nov 12, 2010
Whats the diff between coaches in the class of Mourinho, Cappelo, Carlotti, Fergie, van gaal, Hindick, Lippi and

Guy Roux, Paul Le Guen, Martin O Neill, Felix Magath, Roberto Mancini?

If JT scored his penalty kick in Moscow, Dayokanu will put Avram Grant "in the class of" Fergie, Capello etc cheesy
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by dayokanu(m): 12:31am On Nov 12, 2010
ritchboy:

If JT scored his penalty kick in Moscow, Dayokanu will put Avram Grant "in the class of" Fergie, Capello etc cheesy

If ritchboy had b0obs and pus5y , I would put him in the class of Caster Semanya, edoyad etc cheesy
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by ritchboy(m): 1:08am On Nov 12, 2010
If Dayokanu could afford condoms, he wouldnt have impregnated all the teenagers in his village cheesy
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by tkb417(m): 10:14am On Nov 12, 2010
ritchboy:

If JT scored his penalty kick in Moscow, Dayokanu will put Avram Grant "in the class of" Fergie, Capello etc cheesy
if scholes goal was not disallowed when Porto beat UTD under Jose, maybe Jose wouldnt be this popular and maybe SAF woulda won his 3rd UCL title

but who cares? JT saw the net and decided to send the ball elsewhere
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by medjai(m): 11:31am On Nov 12, 2010
ritchboy:

If JT scored his penalty kick in Moscow, Dayokanu will put Avram Grant "in the class of" Fergie, Capello etc cheesy
Good question.
If JT had scored that PK against UTD, Avram Grant would automatically have belonged to the same class as Mourinho and SAF?? You can now see that judging coaches by continental trophies they have won is terribly flawed. Is Quique Sanchez Flores in the same class as Mourinho because he won the Europa League and super cup with Atletico?
Coaches should be judged based on the consistency of their performance. Eriksson can not be said to be a good coach considering his performances in the last decade. He has not done well since leaving Lazio. A good coach should be able to deliver any and everytime. Can we say Berti Vogts is a good coach because he won Euro 96 despite the fact that he has been useless ever since?
A good coach should be consistent. Guss Hiddink was sacked at Real Madrid and Real Betis but he was able to dust himself up and revive his reputation by taking Korea to the semis of the 2002 world cup.
Wenger has been super consistent. From Monaco to Nagoya Grampus to Arsenal, he has delivered and he will deliver everywhere else he goes
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by dayokanu(m): 5:40pm On Nov 12, 2010
^^ What has he delivered if I may ask? Delivered league and FA cups? Just like martin O Neill,

Felix Magath has won the league with Stuttgart two times with Bayern and 1 with Wolfsburg all in the last 7yrs. Last season, He took Schalke to runner up position in Bundesliga. Can we now say he is in the category of Mourinho, Ferguson and Van Gaal? He even mauled Arsenals invincibles in the 2005 CL.

Paul Le Guen won multiple titles in the French league with Lyon, Martin O neill won multiple titles with Celtic, Mancini won multiple Serie A titles, What now separates them from Van Gaal, Hitzfeld, Ferguson and Mourinho?

If JT had scored his penalty that would have taken Avram Grant out of the category of the Wengers of this world.

Even among winners we have the elites those who have won multiple times. Wenger cant even win one not to talk of multiple titles.
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by dayokanu(m): 5:46pm On Nov 12, 2010
medjai:

Wenger has been super consistent. From Monaco to Nagoya Grampus to Arsenal, he has delivered and he will deliver everywhere else he goes


What has been consistent about Wenger. 5 seasons trophyless?
Re: Your Preferred Top Three Epl Coaches by rasputinn(m): 5:43am On Nov 18, 2010
Dayo,you n't take it away from your great coach,Arsene Wenger,he's one of the best,not only in the EPL but the world over

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