gobuchinny:


I have read that book back to back. It's amazing how its speaks of the Elect of God (Jesus). It confirms the gospel. The spirit indeed is one. It's amazing how the scriptures never changed from book of Enoch till revelation. Same thing. Anyone with the Spirit of God knows this.

This book is a blessing and I'm happy I found it. Dame with book of jasher and other apocrypha

The son of man was spoken of in the book of Enoch.

Prophecies on the end of days.

What heaven looks like and many other things.


It’s an interesting and insightful book.


The book of Jasher is also another one.


Try and get your hands on The Antiquity of the Jews by Josephus Flavius. It’s another interesting enlightening historical material.

OkCornel:


The son of man was spoken of in the book of Enoch.

Prophecies on the end of days.

What heaven looks like and many other things.


It’s an interesting and insightful book.


The book of Jasher is also another one.


Try and get your hands on The Antiquity of the Jews by Josephus Flavius. It’s another interesting enlightening historical material.

Yes I have heard of the antiquity of the jews. That will be my next read after I'm done with the book of Enoch AGAIN . That book is amazing bro. To think these were d books our Fathers like Noah, Abraham and the patriarchs read. God is powerful to preserve His words.

It's amazing how man thinks God cannot preserve His words when man as limited as they r preserves their own useless words that cant pass the test of eternity. Then they think it big for the Almighty to do same.

Tanx for the reference

Ok, i am hooked line and sinker with this Book and i am beginning to think along these lines....


All those huge stone monuments dotted along specific latitudes in different areas of the world like the Inca stones in Peru, that in Lebanon and the Indian temple dug into a rock could actually be done by the Nephilim.....wait dont call me crazy, but think about it. How else where those Gigantic stones laid precisely if not by gigantic hands? Technology was not as it were now then unless i am completely ignorant...

nijabazaar:
Ok, i am hooked line and sinker with this Book and i am beginning to think along these lines....


All those huge stone monuments dotted along specific latitudes in different areas of the world like the Inca stones in Peru, that in Lebanon and the Indian temple dug into a rock could actually be done by the Nephilim.....wait dont call me crazy, but think about it. How else where those Gigantic stones laid precisely if not by gigantic hands? Technology was not as it were now then unless i am completely ignorant...

Also research on Gobekli Tepe...the world's oldest temple according to current archaeological findings.

Also check out the Stonehenge

orisa37:
Our Commentaries are parts of the Bible too.

Atheists' Thoughts are Commentaries on The Bible.

Half a Word is enough for the Wise, so The KJV is very adequate as presently constituted.


I read a lot of OtemAtum. It's a Bible too.

You are wise!

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=82964322]If you want to hide information from someone like this guy et al, just put it in a post. They have trouble challenges with reading and understanding posts. They see and call them something like "... too many words but no message or single truth in it" or even have the cheek to call it "long Epistles." Smh. Eight months is long enough for bruises to get healed, I guess you've now come out of your self imposed extended winter hibernation for fresh bruises, after your sudden rapid AWOL exit (i.e. https://www.nairaland.com/5011271/said-angels-dont-sexual-feelings#75579172)

The only trouble and challenges i have is reading your meaningless epistle that is carefully written to deny and reject the truth.

Maamin, aside the glaring "korokoro, in your face" irrefutable evidence in Genesis 6:4 and the above quoted comment, fyi, it is only human beings who are made in the image of the Godhead and after the Godhead's likeness, not celestial beings and/or animals. Humans are what's called "sons of God", not animals and by extension, even not celestial beings also known as, angels too.

Yet celestial beings can take human forms, leave their first estate, appear like humans till the point humans want to have carnal knowledge of them in (Sodom and Gomorrah), they can eat as well and do other human activities. The Bible called them sons of God in Genesis 6:2 , Job 1:6, Job 2:1. Yet MuttleyLaff keep denying the glaring evidence.

Maamin:

The only trouble and challenges i have is reading your meaningless epistle that is carefully written to deny and reject the truth.
Yet celestial beings can take human forms, leave their first estate, appear like humans till the point humans want to have carnal knowledge of them in (Sodom and Gomorrah), they can eat as well and do other human activities. The Bible called them sons of God in Genesis 6:2 , Job 1:6, Job 2:1. Yet MuttleyLaff keep denying the glaring evidence.

at the bolded...now that's some T.K.O.

OkCornel:


Day 3: Still no answers to the questions arising from Jude 1 v 6

Please call me when this is addressed.

budaatum:

Please call me when this is addressed.

Sure thing. No probs

OkCornel:
Enoch Chapter 15 v 1-7;

1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Do not be afraid, Enoch you righteous man and scribe of righteousness.
2 Approach and hear my voice. Go and say to the Watchers of heaven, for whom you have come to intercede: "You should intercede for men, and not men for you."
3 Why and for what cause have you left the high, holy and eternal heaven, and had sex with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of the earth, and begotten (as your) sons?
4 Though you were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten children with the blood of flesh, and as the children of men, you have lusted after flesh and blood like those who die and are killed.
5 This is why I have given men wives, that they might impregnate them, and have children by them, that deeds might continue on earth.
6 But you were formerly spiritual, living the eternal life, immortal for all generations of the world.
7 Therefore, I have not appointed wives for you; you are spiritual beings of heaven, and in heaven was your dwelling place.


Luke 20 v 34 - 36;

34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Be sure to see how Muttley is going to twist the hell out of this your post. Again this was why I said using Luke 20:34-36 to defend Genesis 6:2 was a weak argument and totally out of context. Last year I told MuttleyLaff that for the fact that Jesus said angels do not marry in heaven does not mean they could not commit the act because that is their jurisdiction and a boundary they shouldn't dare cross over but some of the angels did and were greatly punished. Good one @OkCornel

OkCornel:
Jude 1 v 6;

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Now further questions for those proposing the sons God to be the Sons of Seth

1) Which angels was Jude referring to in verse 6, and when did they leave their first estate?
2) If you say it is those angels that rebelled alongside Lucifer, shouldn't they all be in everlasting chains right now awaiting judgement? Shouldn't this earth be free from demons and evil spirits?


@nijabazaar, Muttley is of the opinion that the Sons of God are male descendants of Seth. Let's see how he responds with plenty words dodging the posers from Jude 1 v 6 up there.


@nijabazaar, did you also notice how your question on the authenticity of the deadsea scrolls (of which the book of Enoch is included) was subtly dodged in the response to you?

OkCornel:


Day 3: Still no answers to the questions arising from Jude 1 v 6

First of all, the sons of God as used in the book of Genesis refer to fallen angels, not humans much less Seth's descendants.

To your questions:
1. The angels being referred to in Jude verse 6 are the same ones in Genesis 6:2, sons of God who did not maintain their original position after their fall but transgressed those limits by cohabiting with human women.
If you notice, that verse is in parts;
- first, they kept not their first estate (by throwing in their lot with Lucifer, thus were kicked out of God's domain). This happened before the Genesis creation in eternity past.
- second, they left their own habitation (this is where they were exiled, their new abode after falling out of God's glory). They left this habitation around 2448 B.C and sought to spoil the human lineage of Seth through which the messiah was to come.

2. It is not all the angels which rebelled alongside Lucifer that participated in this deliberate corruption of the human line of Seth. Only the ones who partook of it were reserved in everlasting chains awaiting the Great White Throne Judgement.

MuttleyLaff:
If you want to hide information from someone like this guy et al, just put it in a post. They have trouble challenges with reading and understanding posts. They see and call them something like "... too many words but no message or single truth in it" or even have the cheek to call it "long Epistles." Smh. Eight months is long enough for bruises to get healed, I guess you've now come out of your self imposed extended winter hibernation for fresh bruises, after your sudden rapid AWOL exit (i.e. https://www.nairaland.com/5011271/said-angels-dont-sexual-feelings#75579172)


Maamin, aside the glaring "korokoro, in your face" irrefutable evidence in Genesis 6:4 and the above quoted comment, fyi, it is only human beings who are made in the image of the Godhead and after the Godhead's likeness, not celestial beings and/or animals. Humans are what's called "sons of God", not animals and by extension, even not celestial beings also known as, angels too.

"If we are demented "out of our mind," as some say, it is for God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you
(i.e. If it seems we are demented crazy, it is to bring glory to God. And if we are in our right minds, it is for your benefit)"
- 2 Corinthians 5:13

EMILO2STAY, highlight and strongly underline my following words, you will retract all what you've said, you actually will and especially in an ignominy and embarrassing way, eat your words, when you "eventuarry" have the blinkers fall off and you then get the epiphany, after I am done with you and the "Holy Grail" subject matter of who really the "sons of God" are.

This was funny to read.
Sons of God in Genesis refer to fallen angels exclusively. Let me break down Genesis 6:4 for you, i will put my comments in parenthesis:

Genesis 6:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 There were giants in the earth in those days (BEFORE the flood, the result of the union of the fallen angels with the daughters of men); and also after that (AFTER the flood also, proof of this from the twelve spies sent into Canaan and Goliath), when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (in the original Hebrew texts, this part in italics follows the first part of this verse directly)


This is how it should have been translated:

Genesis 6:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 There were giants in the earth in those days (before the flood), when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them; and also after that (after the flood), the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown

missjo:



First of all, the sons of God as used in the book of Genesis refer to fallen angels, not humans much less Seth's descendants.

To your questions:
1. The angels being referred to in Jude verse 6 are the same ones in Genesis 6:2, sons of God who did not maintain their original position after their fall but transgressed those limits by cohabiting with human women.
If you notice, that verse is in parts;
- first, they kept not their first estate (by throwing in their lot with Lucifer, thus were kicked out of God's domain). This happened before the Genesis creation in eternity past.
- second, they left their own habitation (this is where they were exiled, their new abode after falling out of God's glory). They left this habitation around 2448 B.C and sought to spoil the human lineage of Seth through which the messiah was to come.

2. It is not all the angels which rebelled alongside Lucifer that participated in this deliberate corruption of the human line of Seth. Only the ones who partook of it were reserved in everlasting chains awaiting the Great White Throne Judgement.

I agree on the bit that the sons of God In Genesis 6 v 2 are angels.

But look closely, those angels in Genesis 6 were not part of the angels that participated in the Luciferian rebellion. The Luciferian rebellion is a separate incident that happened prior to the incident in Genesis 6.

Cheers

Book of Enoch 40:5
[5]The second voice I heard blessing the elect One, and the elect who suffer on account of the Lords of spirits

How direct can that be. The scripture is clearly speaking of Yeshua who came and suffered on behalf of man in the name of God. What a blessing to mankind, this book that the Catholics tried to hide from us

Maamin:
Yet celestial beings can take human forms, leave their first estate, appear like humans

Maamin, that exactly, is it, celestial beings can take human forms, leave their first estate, appear like humans, however there is one being only who is superior to all celestial being who took human form, to appear as human

Maamin:
... till the point humans want to have carnal knowledge of them in (Sodom and Gomorrah)

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So? They didnt have carnal knowledge of them in (Sodom and Gomorrah), besides they wouldnt have been able to have knowledge of them in (Sodom and Gomorrah) because the angels werent real human beings like Jesus was, they werent real human beings, they appear looking like human beings remember just like you above said, hmm?

Maamin:
... they can eat as well and do other human activities.

[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img]
So what? Sure they can eat as well and do other human activities, bar have physical sexual intercourse with human beings and get married

Maamin:
The Bible called them sons of God in Genesis 6:2, Job 1:6, Job 2:1.

Maamin, please I'll do anything, crawl over broken bottles and shattered glass pieces, just to see where, "gangan paato", in the Bible, it is, in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion any/or doubt, that angels, in a way that is exact and clear, are called and/or referred to as sons of God

Maamin:
Yet MuttleyLaff keep denying the glaring evidence.

Maamin, Maamin, Maamin. Maamin how many times did I call you, hmm? Please be careful ooo. Oya, please show where the Bible, in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion any/or doubt, called angels or referred to them as sons of God?

Where did you read the Bible called angels sons of God and that they can do anything they please? Please share that interesting Bible verse for all to read Maamin. Please help a brother out, show in a manner that is not open to more than one interpretation, where the Bible shows and tells that angels are sons of God. Thank you.

Of course, I know Genesis 6:2, 6:4, Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7 and Luke 20:36 and that they never talked of angels as or being sons of God, but I wanted to be sure you and others like EMILO2STAY, missjo, kkins25, budaatum etcetera are not hinging your conjectures on any other bible verses, I am not aware of

Don't be reluctant to give the information I've asked Maamin because I am willing and ready to show you who and who and who the Bible called son(s) of God in Genesis 6:2, Job 1:6, Job 2:1, and other parts of the Bible you're oblivious and ignorant of. I will show you what kofam and bonafide TKO really is. You'll be technically knocked out cold, without seeing where my unexpected sucker punch came from, talkless to say, you'll know and understand what's the blow I've hit you with. Maamin, scripture will be used to back up where human beings are the ones, and not angels, who are called son(s) of God.

Nowhere in the bible, is it forcibly or clearly expressed that angels are sons of God. What is so difficult, in admitting this truthful fact Maamin, hmm? Is it pride, erhn?

missjo:
This was funny to read.
Sons of God in Genesis refer to fallen angels exclusively. Let me break down Genesis 6:4 for you, i will put my comments in parenthesis:

Genesis 6:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 There were giants in the earth in those days (BEFORE the flood, the result of the union of the fallen angels with the daughters of men); and also after that (AFTER the flood also, proof of this from the twelve spies sent into Canaan and Goliath), when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (in the original Hebrew texts, this part in italics follows the first part of this verse directly)

This is how it should have been translated:

Genesis 6:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 There were giants in the earth in those days (before the flood), when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them; and also after that (after the flood), the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown

The funnniess is in you treating a serious issue with an unscrupulous deliberate misinterpretation, all in the quest of achieving this inappropriate, seriously flawed and blasphemous "join the gang" agenda to slander angelic majesties. Smh, I expected more from you, missjo.

Except someone wants to seal their fate, it literally is written, you must not add anything to or subtract anything from the Bible, but you've decided it is a clever idea to add a situation that never happened and use "(BEFORE the flood, the result of the union of the fallen angels with the daughters of men);" and "(AFTER the flood also, proof of this from the twelve spies sent into Canaan and Goliath)," to embellish the facts and truth. All this dishonest shabby attempt, just to draw off the scent from who really are the sons of God. The ill-informed are a ready and most useful tool.

missjo, fyi, and this coming from the bible, Cain, the woman's firstborn turned out to be a seed of Satan and a killer of Abel, the seed of the woman. The Nephilim were already existing via Cain's lineage. The Nephilims when man fell, originally came about as the fallen ones. Giants population increased and got aggravated to becoming a menace to society when the sons of God suddenly found the daughters of men's beauty powerfully and mysteriously sexually attractive to.

"There were giants in the earth in those days, yea, and after that the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they had born them children, these were mighty men, which in old time were men of renown. "
- Genesis 6:4 Geneva Bible printed before KJV

"There were giants in the earth in those days, yea, and after that the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they had born them children, these were mighty men, which in old time were men of renown. "
- Genesis 6:4 Geneva Bible printed before KJV

"Soothly giants were on the earth in those days, forsooth after that the sons of God entered [in] to the daughters of men, and those daughters begat; these were mighty of the world and famous men (these were the mighty and famous men of the world)."
- Genesis 6:4 Wycliffe Bible printed before KJV

missjo, as you can see from above, all exegesis, expository and hermeneutics, say the Nephilim were already existed contemporaneously with the sons of God, that the Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them and so in line with my viewpoint

Now missjo, what you failed to realiase, is that even after the flood, the Nephilim gene did survive, and that is why the proof of this from the twelve spies sent into Canaan and Goliath. Now I bet you're itching scratching head, wondering and asking the question, what is this "Nephilim gene did survive" all about. I coud tell you more about the Nephilim "renown" aspect too if you ask, as in whats thats about as well

MuttleyLaff:
The funnniess is in you treating a serious issue with an unscrupulous deliberate misinterpretation, all in the quest of achieving this inappropriate, seriously flawed and blasphemous "join the gang" agenda to slander angelic majesties. Smh, I expected more from you, missjo.

Except someone wants to seal their fate, it literally is written, you must not add anything to or subtract anything from the Bible, but you've decided it is a clever idea to add a situation that never happened and use "(BEFORE the flood, the result of the union of the fallen angels with the daughters of men);" and "(AFTER the flood also, proof of this from the twelve spies sent into Canaan and Goliath)," to embellish the facts and truth. All this dishonest shabby attempt, just to draw off the scent from who really are the sons of God. The ill-informed are a ready and most useful tool.

missjo, fyi, and this coming from the bible, Cain, the woman's firstborn turned out to be a seed of Satan and a killer of Abel, the seed of the woman. The Nephilim were already existing via Cain's lineage. The Nephilims when man fell, originally came about as the fallen ones. Giants population increased and got aggravated to becoming a menace to society when the sons of God suddenly found the daughters of men's beauty powerfully and mysteriously sexually attractive to.

"There were giants in the earth in those days, yea, and after that the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they had born them children, these were mighty men, which in old time were men of renown. "
- Genesis 6:4 Geneva Bible printed before KJV

"There were giants in the earth in those days, yea, and after that the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they had born them children, these were mighty men, which in old time were men of renown. "
- Genesis 6:4 Geneva Bible printed before KJV

"Soothly giants were on the earth in those days, forsooth after that the sons of God entered [in] to the daughters of men, and those daughters begat; these were mighty of the world and famous men (these were the mighty and famous men of the world)."
- Genesis 6:4 Wycliffe Bible printed before KJV

missjo, as you can see from above, all exegesis, expository and hermeneutics, say the Nephilim were already existed contemporaneously with the sons of God, that the Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them and so in line with my viewpoint

Now missjo, what you failed to realiase, is that even after the flood, the Nephilim gene did survive, and that is why the proof of this from the twelve spies sent into Canaan and Goliath. Now I bet you're itching scratching head, wondering and asking the question, what is this "Nephilim gene did survive" all about. I coud tell you more about the Nephilim "renown" aspect too if you ask, as in whats thats about as well

But I already confirmed this in my post with the interpretation of that verse Muttley

missjo:
But I already confirmed this in my post with the interpretation of that verse Muttley

missjojo, show your hand, put your cards on the table and put face up.
1/ What is your position, concerning the son(s) of God?
2/ How possibly did the Nephilim gene survive since after all the Nephilims were all destroyed in the flood?

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=83031926]

Maamin, that exactly, is it, celestial beings can take human forms, leave their first estate, appear like humans, however there is one being only who is superior to all celestial being who took human form, to appear as human

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i was riding smoothly on this reply of yours until i entered a pothole, and a very deep one.
the superior celestial being you speak of didn't appear in human form but became human. how he was able to manipulate his mothers ovum to under go meiosis still baffles me. where did the other 23 chromosome chrome from?

So? They didnt have carnal knowledge of them in (Sodom and Gomorrah), besides they wouldnt have been able to have knowledge of them in (Sodom and Gomorrah) because the angels weren't real human beings like Jesus was, they werent real human beings, they appear looking like human beings remember just like you above said, hmm?
So what? Sure they can eat as well and do other human activities, bar have physical sexual intercourse with human beings and get married

they can't engage in rigorous sex but they can ingest delicious food? yet you say they are not humans? haba muttley!! been able to eat suggests that they were not a mirage or a mere reflection of human form but are actually flesh and bone. if they could eat, why couldn't they have sex? common mehn!!

So what? Sure they can eat as well and do other human activities, bar have physical sexual intercourse with human beings and get married

are you saying they are impotent? or they don't have reproductive organs?

MuttleyLaff:
missjojo, show your hand, put your cards on the table and put face up.
1/ What is your position, concerning the son(s) of God?
2/ How possibly did the Nephilim gene survive since after all the Nephilims were all destroyed in the flood?

1. In the book of Genesis, sons of God refer to fallen angels. The Nephilim are the offsprings of the sons of God.

2. This is a tricky one, something I myself have had to question, but I was able to gain an understanding:

Since no humankind but Noah, his wife, the three sons and their wives survived the flood, then it made sense that the genetic code of the Nephilim survived through one of the wives of his sons.
The giants who existed after the flood were called the sons of Anak, not the Nephilim. Take note
Anak is a descendant of Ham, second son of Noah, and also the bearer of the curse of his father after seeing his unclothedness.

missjo:

1. In the book of Genesis, sons of God refer to fallen angels. The Nephilim are the offsprings of the sons of God.

2. This is a tricky one, something I myself have had to question, but I was able to gain an understanding:

Since no humankind but Noah, his wife, the three sons and their wives survived the flood, then it made sense that the genetic code of the Nephilim survived through one of the wives of his sons.
The giants who existed after the flood were called the sons of Anak, not the Nephilim. Take note
Anak is a descendant of Ham, second son of Noah, and also the bearer of the curse of his father after seeing his unclothedness.

Hi.

For what it's worth, no Nephilim of any kind survived the Flood. I understand that because the cowardly spies in Numbers claimed to see Nephilim in Canaan, and because some translations appear to make the Rephaim and the Nephilim one and the same by using the word "giants" for both, it is often argued that they did, but that is not true. There have been no Nephilim until very recently with the birth of the Antichrist.

There were no Nephilim in Canaan. The cowardly spies used that false story to try to prevent Israel going to war in Canaan. They lied out of their unbelief.

As for the Rephaim, they were abnormally sized human beings, but they certainly were not part-angel at all. That was an unfortunate mishap of translation.

As far as the Bible goes, Noah and his family were saved both for Noah's righteousness and for the purity of their origins. They were all fully human. All Nephilim were destroyed in the Flood.

Only with the birth of the Antichrist and the ten kings that will rule Tribulational Rome with him have there been any new Nephilim since then.

Finally, Ham was Noah's youngest son, not his second son.

Cheers.

Ihedinobi3:

Hi.

For what it's worth, no Nephilim of any kind survived the Flood. I understand that because the cowardly spies in Numbers claimed to see Nephilim in Canaan, and because some translations appear to make the Rephaim and the Nephilim one and the same by using the word "giants" for both, it is often argued that they did, but that is not true. There have been no Nephilim until very recently with the birth of the Antichrist.

There were no Nephilim in Canaan. The cowardly spies used that false story to try to prevent Israel going to war in Canaan. They lied out of their unbelief.

As for the Rephaim, they were abnormally sized human beings, but they certainly were not part-angel at all. That was an unfortunate mishap of translation.

As far as the Bible goes, Noah and his family were saved both for Noah's righteousness and for the purity of their origins. They were all fully human. All Nephilim were destroyed in the Flood.

Only with the birth of the Antichrist and the ten kings that will rule Tribulational Rome with him have there been any new Nephilim since then.

Finally, Ham was Noah's youngest son, not his second son.

Cheers.

The giants after the flood were not Nephilim, I explicitly stated they were knows as the sons of Anak descended from Ham, not Nephilim.
Certainly you can't disagree that there were in fact giants after the flood. Would you say Goliath was just abnormally sized and not a giant?

What about the king mentioned in Deuteronomy 3:11?


About Ham's position, well i suppose the term 'younger' is what gives the impression he is not the middle child. But then, Moses wrote those books and every time he listed children, it was always hierarchal top to bottom, why would Noah's be different?

Younger does not mean youngest.

I'm open for some explanation regarding the above

missjo:

The giants after the flood were not Nephilim, I explicitly stated they were knows as the sons of Anak descended from Ham, not Nephilim.
Certainly you can't disagree that there were in fact giants after the flood. Would you say Goliath was just abnormally sized and not a giant?

What about the king mentioned in Deuteronomy 3:11?


About Ham's position, well i suppose the term 'younger' is what gives the impression he is not the middle child. But then, Moses wrote those books and every time he listed children, it was always hierarchal top to bottom, why would Noah's be different?

Younger does not mean youngest.

I'm open for some explanation regarding the above

I appreciate what you said about the giants being descendants of Anak and not Nephilim. I must apologize for not acknowledging that earlier, but sometimes, I am just being efficient in my responses, so I don't address or acknowledge everything in a given post or comment.

I don't really know that the Anakites came from Ham. I don't see that in the Bible just yet, but I do know that the Philistines came from Ham through Mizraim, and Goliath and his brothers were all Philistines.

As for giants existing after the Flood, that was what I meant by "abnormally sized human beings." The Rephaim including Og of Bashan were giants just like Goliath, but like you said, they were not Nephilim. The Nephilim were not giants. They were angelic hybrids, that's all. My comment was concerned with your speculation that the Nephilim strain was preserved through members of Noah's family. That is not true. Nothing Nephilic survived the Flood.

As for Ham, I did think that he was the middle child too, but Genesis 9:24 seems to me to settle the matter, unless it was a matter of translation. I will try to confirm about that, but in two of the best translations I know, the verse calls him the youngest.

kkins25:
i was riding smoothly on this reply of yours until i entered a pothole, and a very deep one.

Now that you mentioned riding, it is funny and bizarre that lots of interlocutors do take a ride with me in my stretch limo, but what I really want, are interlocutors with me, to disturb texts (e.g. like Genesis 6:4), deconstruct phrases or group of words (e.g. sons of God), to uncover what they truly, really and are undoubtedly saying. I am not fond of those jumping into the limo and be asking vacuous and off the beaten path questions

kkins25:
the superior celestial being you speak of didn't appear in human form but became human

Affirmative, yes, He didn't appear in human form, like a human but became human kkins25

kkins25:
how He was able to manipulate His mothers ovum to under go meiosis still baffles me.

"And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."
Genesis 3:15

"³⁴“How can this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” (i.e. How will this be, for no man has known me?)
³⁵The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. (i.e. the power of The Highest shall rest upon you.) So the Holy One to be born will be called the Son of God (i.e. therefore He who shall be begotten in you shall be holy and He shall be called the Son of God.)"
Luke 1:34-35

kkins25 you always are being somewhat disingenuous and at same time, as well be skeptical. You pretend you dont know jack shit anything at all, but look at you, springing up this female meiosis thing, erhn.

I know how you feel and can understand you being baffled, but kkkins25, the birth of Jesus is the stuff, mysteries are made of, there is a reason why He, Jesus, is called the begotten Son. It is has a similar reason to why Isaac, is called Abraham's only begotten son. Luke 1:34-35 above gives an useful and interesting unscientific information on how an overshadow manipulation of Mary's ovum/egg/seed will occur and be subjected to female meiosis. The achievement of what is promised in Genesis 3:15 above was at that angel Gabriel visitation about getting unfolding then. Alleluia. We praise Yahweh for His faithfulness, that His word does not return to Him unfulfilled, it will not come back to Him without results. It will accomplish whatever He wants and achieve whatever the purpose the word is sent to do.

kkins25:
Where did the other 23 chromosome come chrome from?

kkins25, the other 23 chromosome came from the God artificially inseminated sperm kkins25. Now knowing how you'll probably want to run with the aforementioned "... God artificially inseminated sperm ..." let me clear it up properly by saying, there was no God doing physical coitus or direct sexual intercourse with Mary, but the sperm was introduced into Mary's womb by divinely inserting and implanting the sperm, containing 22 chromosomes as well as the appropriate to the occasion, Y-chromosome. Of course, all this is preternatural parthenogenesis, and as I am quite sure, without you feigning disingenious again about this, you know that the egg in the early stages of this female meiosis, had a complete set of 46 chromosomes, and so making the point that, where the other 23 chromosome came from.

kkins25:
they can't engage in rigorous sex but they can ingest delicious food? yet you say they are not humans? haba muttley!!

There is nothing wrong with angels eating food or angels pretending to eat delicious food kkins25 . They after all eat in heaven, however they dont engage in any form of sex talkess rigorous sex in heaven. Now if they dont engage in sex in heaven what makes you think they should on earth, hmm?

kkins25:
been able to eat suggests that they were not a mirage or a mere reflection of human form but are actually flesh and bone.

"⁷And of the angels He says: “Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire.
¹⁴Are they not all ministering spirits, sent to minister for them, who shall receive the inheritance of salvation?"
- Hebrews 1:7,14

"See My hands and My feet, that I am He. Touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see Me having."
- Luke 24:39

kkins25, it is inaccurate to say angels are actually flesh and bone because they are not, as spirits are not flesh and blood

kkins25:
if they could eat, why couldn't they have sex? common mehn!!

It is simply because they werent made nor equipped to have sex kkins25

kkins25:
are you saying they are impotent?

"For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places."
- Ephesians 6:12

kkins25 angels are not flesh and blood, so therefore the question about impotence doesnt come into play. Smh, you know what causes impotence now. Angels havent got blood, c'mon now.

kkins25:
or they don't have reproductive organs?

Yes, they dont

missjo:
1. In the book of Genesis, sons of God refer to fallen angels.

Whoa, whoa whoa, where in the book of Genesis or anywhere else for that matter, does the Bible refer the sons of God to be fallen angels missjojo, hmmm?

missjo:
The Nephilim are the offsprings of the sons of God.

"Don't pay any attention to any of those senseless Jewish stories and human commands.
These are made up by people who won't obey the truth"
(i.e. and not give attention to Jewish legends/Jewish fables and the maxims of men who turn their backs on the truth)
- Titus 1:14.

missjojo, fear God ooo, fyi, He says we are not to listen to Jewish fables and we are not to be slandering angels. The Nephilims, truly are the offsprings of the sons of God, unfortunately/fortunately depending, the sons of God arent angels.

missjo:
2. This is a tricky one, something I myself have had to question, but I was able to gain an understanding:

Since no humankind but Noah, his wife, the three sons and their wives survived the flood, then it made sense that the genetic code of the Nephilim survived through one of the wives of his sons.

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Clap, clap, clap, clapping. I am impressed lol.

missjo:
The giants who existed after the flood were called the sons of Anak, not the Nephilim.

"We even saw the Nephilim there—the descendants of Anak that come from the Nephilim!
We seemed like grasshoppers in our own sight, and we must have seemed the same to them!”"
- Numbers 13:33

missjojo, I'll let you argue with the bible verse Numbers 13:33 above

missjo:
Take note
Anak is a descendant of Ham, second son of Noah, and also the bearer of the curse of his father after seeing his näkedness.

missjojo, what point are you trying to make with Anak, the descendant of Ham huh? Furthermore, what gangan, has Ham, the bearer of the curse of seeing his father's näkedness, got to do with the giants aka Nephilims surviving the flood seed, erhn?

Ihedinobi3:
Hi.

Hi, I come in peace, not to fight

Ihedinobi3:
For what it's worth, no Nephilim of any kind survived the Flood. I understand that because the cowardly spies in Numbers claimed to see Nephilim in Canaan, and because some translations appear to make the Rephaim and the Nephilim one and the same by using the word "giants" for both, it is often argued that they did, but that is not true.

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and afterward as well, when the sons of God had sexual relations with the daughters of men. And they bore them children who became the mighty men of old, men of renown (i.e. a gibborim, on the earth, meaning one who magnifies himself, behaves proudly, a tyrant, who is bold, audacious)"
- Genesis 6:4

"¹This is the account of Noah’s sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth, who also had sons after the flood
⁶The sons of Ham: Cush, Mizraim, Put, and Canaan.
⁸And Cush was the father of Nimrod, who began to be a mighty one (i.e. a gibborim, on the earth, meaning one who magnifies himself, behaves proudly, a tyrant, who is bold, audacious)
⁹He was a mighty hunter (i.e. a gibborim, in defiance, bold disobedience) before the LORD so it is said, “Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the LORD."
- Genesis 10:1,6,8-9

"¹⁰Before the Lord gave the Moabites their land (i.e. one of Lot's sons, born of incest with his daughters), a large and powerful tribe lived there. They were the Emim, and they were as tall as the Anakim.
¹¹The Moabites called them Emim, though others sometimes used the name Rephaim for both the Anakim and the Emim."
- Deuteronomy 2:10-11

"²⁰Before the Ammonites conquered the land (i.e. the second of Lot's sons, born of incest with his daughters) that the Lord had given them, some of the Rephaim used to live there, although the Ammonites called them Zamzummim.
²¹The Zamzummim were a large and powerful tribe and were as tall as the Anakim. But the Lord helped the Ammonites, and they killed many of the Zamzummim and forced the rest to leave. Then the Ammonites settled there."
- Deuteronomy 2:20-21

"The people are strong and tall, the descendants of the Anakim. You know about them and you have heard it said about them, 'Who can stand up to the sons of Anak?"
- Deuteronomy 9:2

For what it's worth, the terms Nephilim, Rephaim and other names that these giants are/were known by, effectively have the same or similar connotations, as the terms used for the giants were done out from describing certain attributes about or of the giants. Take for example, Genesis 6:4 above, where we have the first adjective. They are called Nephilims, because they caused the world to fall even as they fell themselves. Nephilim comes from the root hebrew word naphal and properly means, a feller ( i.e. a bully or tyrant and thats a giant)

Genesis 10:1,6,8-9 above and other verses is a second example of giants being called gibborim and this because of their non-compliant, open resistance, tyrant, bold, audacious behaviour

In Deuteronomy 2:10-11 above, is the third example of giants getting called, Emim, the name is translated as "the dreaded ones" and it's because whoever that saw one of them was seized with terror.

The fourth example is where, the giants as seen in Deuteronomy 2:20-21 above are called Zamzummims because they inspired fear and were fierce warriors, they also were called Rephaim, for the sight of them, made people fearfully soft like as if melting hot wax

The fifth example is Deuteronomy 9:2 above where the giants are so called Anakim because they're long-necked tall men and wearing huge necklaces in great numbers

Ihedinobi3:
There have been no Nephilim until very recently with the birth of the Antichrist.

I thought you just earlier above said, no Nephilim of any kind survived the Flood, erhn? If no Nephilim of any kind survived the Flood, then where from recently has the birth of the Antichrist spring the Nephilim out from Ihedinobi3, hmm?

Ihedinobi3:
There were no Nephilim in Canaan. The cowardly spies used that false story to try to prevent Israel going to war in Canaan. They lied out of their unbelief.

As for the Rephaim, they were abnormally sized human beings, but they certainly were not part-angel at all. That was an unfortunate mishap of translation.

Nephilim, Rephaim and other terms are names that giants are/were known as and interchangeably used to describe them. The Nephilims and/or Rephaims and whatnot, definitely werent angel hybrids stock (i.e. they certainly weren't part-angel part human at all)

Ihedinobi3:
As far as the Bible goes, Noah and his family were saved both for Noah's righteousness and for the purity of their origins. They were all fully human. All Nephilim were destroyed in the Flood.

The bible vouched the purity of Noah and not anyone else. If any of Nephilims had hearkened to Noah's 120 years of preaching of immimnent doom, they would have been on board the ark, but obviously they didnt, except for a daughter of man with a dormant Nephilim gene who did.

Ihedinobi3:
Only with the birth of the Antichrist and the ten kings that will rule Tribulational Rome with him have there been any new Nephilim since then.

Though I have my hunch how the Nephilim will resurface again, please Ihedinobi3 throw more light on how the birth of the Antichrist and the ten kings that will rule Tribulational Rome with him will bring about the new Nephilim. Thank you.

Ihedinobi3:
Finally, Ham was Noah's youngest son, not his second son.
Cheers.

"After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham, and Japheth."
- Genesis 5:32

Ihedinobi3 fyi, as you can see from the above Genesis 5:32 birth order, Ham was Noah's middle son (i.e. second son), while Ham's son Canaan was Noah's "youngest son". I very much will be happy to prove this to you backing it up with scriptures if you so much disagree

missjo:
The giants after the flood were not Nephilim, I explicitly stated they were known as the sons of Anak descended from Ham, not Nephilim.
Certainly you can't disagree that there were in fact giants after the flood. Would you say Goliath was just abnormally sized and not a giant?

"We even saw the Nephilim there—the descendants of Anak that come from the Nephilim!
We seemed like grasshoppers in our own sight, and we must have seemed the same to them!”"
- Numbers 13:33

missjojo, the bible verse Numbers 13:33 above disagrees with you that the giants after the flood were not Nephilim. Numbers 13:33 even has it saying in black and white that, the descendants of Anak that come from the Nephilim. Now if you had earlier sussed out that the Nephilim gene survived through being dormant in one of the wives of Noah's son, then by deductive reasoning and knowing how good you are at this, we know who this son is, wink, wink

missjo:
Certainly you can't disagree that there were in fact giants after the flood. Would you say Goliath was just abnormally sized and not a giant

Goliath was abnormally sized and so a giant

missjo:
What about the king mentioned in Deuteronomy 3:11?

Nephilim, Rephaim, Anakims and other terms are names that giants are/were known as and interchangeably used to describe them. The Nephilims and/or Rephaims and whatnot, definitely werent angel hybrids stock (i.e. they certainly weren't part-angel part human at all)

missjo:
About Ham's position, well i suppose the term 'younger' is what gives the impression he is not the middle child. But then, Moses wrote those books and every time he listed children, it was always hierarchal top to bottom, why would Noah's be different?

Younger does not mean youngest.

I'm open for some explanation regarding the above

"Now I am claiming as my own sons these two boys of yours, Ephraim and Manasseh, who were born here in the land of Egypt before I arrived.
They will be my sons, just as Reuben and Simeon are. "
- Genesis 48:5

The misunderstanding comes from connecting and joining the wrong dots, hence getting an outlined wrong picture. The explanation regarding this is, it is Canaan in that narrative that is referred to as the youngest in Genesis 9:24. I am sure Genesis 48:5 above, will help in getting an understanding of this

Ihedinobi3:
As for Ham, I did think that he was the middle child too, but Genesis 9:24 seems to me to settle the matter, unless it was a matter of translation. I will try to confirm about that, but in two of the best translations I know, the verse calls him the youngest.

missjojo and Ihedinobi3 dont be in the habit of reading bible verses in isolation or just by themselves. Read contextually up on to the "interested-in" verse, and the surrounding after the "interested-in" verse in order to get a proper handle and way of understanding what is really going on in the narrative.

Jude 1 v 6;

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Now further questions for those proposing the sons God to be the Sons of Seth

1) Which angels was Jude referring to in verse 6, and when did they leave their first estate?
2) If you say it is those angels that rebelled alongside Lucifer, shouldn't they all be in everlasting chains right now awaiting judgement? Shouldn't this earth be free from demons and evil spirits?

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Who wan price shiit market?
To rise prick nobi by force nau
mister man abeg

Hahahaha, why not?

Keep on dodging the pin that will pop your balloon eventually...

When better pesin, like dem kkins25, missjojo or similar asks, I'll explain, just as I previously have done, but of course some pipul we wont mention names dont read posts that's more than one or two sentences, so wouldnt have read my previous comments about this

Hahahaha...keep on dodging the obvious


Jude 1 v 6;

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Now further questions for those proposing the sons God to be the Sons of Seth

1) Which angels was Jude referring to in verse 6, and when did they leave their first estate?
2) If you say it is those angels that rebelled alongside Lucifer, shouldn't they all be in everlasting chains right now awaiting judgement? Shouldn't this earth be free from demons and evil spirits?