codemaniacs:
if you didn't study computer science or computer engineering go and get a job.... unless you want to be a freelancer.. no one would hire a self taught programmer in Nigeria .

this is my opinion..

In your shallow mind computer scientists are programmers

TheManOfTheYear:
Tell me more about the emboldened.
Because I'm planning on specializing in Java

Don't waste your time on Java (I'm telling you this because I assume you are just about to start. If you have started it already, I wouldn't want to discourage you)

Follow it the way I ask you to;

HTML
CSS
JavaScript

You will come back and thank me.

I knew this in a hard way...you don't have to go the hard way too.

My piece of advice

Grupo:


Liar.

If you know what you are doing, people will hire you.

The tech industry is the only place where you are not asked for certification or grade before you are hired. Just be good and show previous projects you have done.

Most of the good programmers in Nigeria today didn't study computer science.

Pcguru, a popular programmer on this platform didn't study computer science.

Dhtml18, who has now deactivated his account, another popular programmer here didn't study computer science. In fact, Dhtml18's case is very interesting, because he studied medicine and surgery, became a qualified doctor but he is not practicing medicine, rather he's programming and he has worked with many notable organizations.


Note: there is a world of difference between a web programmer and a WordPress installer.

I beg to disagree on the above. What metrics did you use to come up with the above false conclusion? You haven't even graced any software summit organised by the the National Computer science body. There you will see badass programmers who dhtml can't even untie their shoe lace.
I agreed with your other points but the bolded is simple off track and false.
That you saw some computer science student struggling at the initial stage doesn't mean they didn't succeed in being good with programming.
You saying that MOST good programmers in Nigeria didn't study computer science is simply fallacious from all ramifications.
You just saw 2 good ones and made up your conclusions.
Please endeavor to carry out a detailed research before you make such statements.
Thank you.

jossydee1:


Don't waste your time on Java (I'm telling you this because I assume you are just about to start. If you have started it already, I wouldn't want to discourage you)

Follow it the way I ask you to;

HTML
CSS
JavaScript

You will come back and thank me.

I knew this in a hard way...you don't have to go the hard way too.

My piece of advice

I've already learned Html and CSS, I will soon start Javascript,
But I wanted to go into app development, so I thought of Java, what are your alternatives?

TheManOfTheYear:
Tell me more about the emboldened.
Because I'm planning on specializing in Java

If you want to use java then use java. Don't fall for this bullsh.t talk of 'Java is dead'. What killed java if I may ask?
One thing with Nigeria is that we like new and flashy things. You chose a language based on stability of that lang and the needed libraries that can make your life easier. How large the community is, how detailed the documentation is and other relevant stuffs.
Depending on what you want to do, you chose a language. Java remains the undisputed champion on mobile app dev.

IamCharles123:

How much will it cost to test a project

Chai, look like you just wanna start learning n dont go to that field for the money but for passion.

A friend of mine earn 550k per month as a Tester. He was working with WeMa Bank. He also work with First Bank and UBA

sparkle7:

If you want to use java then use java. Don't fall for this bullsh.t talk of 'Java is dead'. What killed java if I may ask?
One thing with Nigeria is that we like new and flashy things. You chose a language based on stability of that lang and the needed libraries that can make your life easier.
Depending on what you want to do, you chose a language. Java remains the undisputed champion on mobile app dev.

Thank you very much

sparkle7:

I beg to disagree on the above. What metrics did you use to come up with the above false conclusion? You haven't even graced any software summit organised by the the National Computer science body. There you will see badass programmers who dhtml can't even untie their shoe lace.
I agreed with your other points but the bolded is simple off track and false.
That you saw some computer science student struggling at the initial stage doesn't mean they didn't succeed in being good with programming.
You saying that MOST good programmers in Nigeria didn't study computer science is simply fallacious from all ramifications.
You just saw 2 good ones and made up your conclusions.
Please endeavor to carry out a detailed research before you make such statements.
Thank you.

Don't misquote me to type rubbish.

I stand by my words -- most good programmers didn't study anything related to computer science.

Also, when finding a job as a programmer, nobody cares about your certificate or class of degree. Companies want results and not paper certificates.

I have been actively involved in the tech industry for close to a decade now. I find it ridiculous that you are mentioning NCS when we are talking about software and related stuff. For goodness sake, NCS is a sham political organization, and no serious programmer takes them seriously.

Go into the real industry and see what people are doing there. Never you ever talk about useless NCS software summit where every year, people come to present electronic voting apps as their highest achievements.

It's good that you're interested in money about tech. Make sure you a strong interest in programming.
- Stay active on twitter and follow people in tech especially in Nigeria like @unicodedeveloper @codebeast etc
- Build a good profile on LinkedIn
- Be very good in what you do so that people will not give you job because of pity but because they believe you can add value to their company or team
- Learn Learn Learn
- Make a good set of friends in tech
- Chances you are doing to get job is high as far as you are very good. Remote jobs is now increasing rapidly
- Make sure you research a lot
Good luck! Happy coding!

sparkle7:

I beg to disagree on the above. What metrics did you use to come up with the above false conclusion? You haven't even graced any software summit organised by the the National Computer science body. There you will see badass programmers who dhtml can't even untie their shoe lace.
I agreed with your other points but the bolded is simple off track and false.
That you saw some computer science student struggling at the initial stage doesn't mean they didn't succeed in being good with programming.
You saying that MOST good programmers in Nigeria didn't study computer science is simply fallacious from all ramifications.
You just saw 2 good ones and made up your conclusions.
Please endeavor to carry out a detailed research before you make such statements.
Thank you.

So, what do you suggest?
I studied biochemistry for my Bs.c but now learning programming because biochem isn't yielding any fruit financially. Currently on CSS.

Would you suggest I should continue or do something else?

codemaniacs:
if you didn't study computer science or computer engineering go and get a job.... unless you want to be a freelancer.. no one would hire a self taught programmer in Nigeria .

this is my opinion..

Rubbish talk.
If you like graduate with first class in CSC but you don’t have a good coding skill and you apply for a job, the employers will hire a 2.1 graduate with a good level of coding skill. You know what’s funny, the boss to the 2.1 holder is a senior software engineer with no BSc but a better portfolio than both the 2.1 and first class bsc holder combined . That’s how the profession is.
As long as you can write quality code, build scalable products and work with team properly , no one gives a micro f**k about your degree

TheManOfTheYear:
I've already learned Html and CSS, I will soon start Javascript,
But I wanted to go into app development, so I thought of Java, what are your alternatives?

Javascript is wide and modern. You can also do app development with Javascript. You may message me on WhatsApp 08069762478

Grupo:


Don't misquote me to type rubbish.

I stand by my words -- most good programmers didn't study anything related to computer science.

Also, when finding a job as a programmer, nobody cares about your certificate or class of degree. Companies want results and not paper certificates.

I have been actively involved in the tech industry for close to a decade now. I find it ridiculous that you are mentioning NCS when we are talking about software and related stuff. For goodness sake, NCS is a sham political organization, and no serious programmer takes them seriously.

Go into the real industry and see what people are doing there. Never you ever talk about useless NCS software summit where every year, people come to present electronic voting apps as their highest achievements.

You can't reach conclusion by just what you saw. I never said that it was all paper. The needed skills are the main thing. A certificate is just an added advantage.
How can you make a conclusion without proof that what you say holds water? I ask again on what grounds or research did you reach the hasty conclusion that most good programmers(emphasis on most) didn't study computer science?
You can't just come online and spread prejudiced information that you don't have enough proof on.

codemaniacs:
if you didn't study computer science or computer engineering go and get a job.... unless you want to be a freelancer.. no one would hire a self taught programmer in Nigeria .

this is my opinion...

This is a shallow opinion. In fact, it's easier to get a developer job without a degree in Nigeria than overseas.

That said, you don't need a degree to be a web developer.

AIIyIic:


So, what do you suggest?
I studied biochemistry for my Bs.c but now learning programming because biochem isn't yielding any fruit financially. Currently on CSS.

Would you suggest I should continue or do something else?

I won't advise you to be a self taught programmer. Find a reputable software company and enroll into a course of your choice. Make sure you stick to it. With regards to your change of course, I wouldn't advise you to get a computer science degree in Nigeria ��.
It is just so trashy. Unless maybe you can afford some of those private university where the needed resources are readily available.
So leave that self taught thing for now. It comes with various challenges that if your passion and interest isn't strong enough, you might quit on the way.
So enroll into an I.t school and do the needful. Or better still get someone to give you one on one coaching.
I have seen some people who tried teaching themselves for 8 months but can't boast of any deployed app on their portfolio.
Coming from a computer science undergraduate.
Peace.

AIIyIic:


So, what do you suggest?
I studied biochemistry for my Bs.c but now learning programming because biochem isn't yielding any fruit financially. Currently on CSS.

Would you suggest I should continue or do something else?

Don't stop and don't let any fucking person stop you here or anywhere. Make sure you roll with right people in tech.
Women have more opportunities in growing in tech now
- Follow @ireaderinokun (she give women nanodegrees courses on udacity)
@girlswhocode and women in tech and men in tech in Nigeria
- Follow @devcarrers also they would help you if you pass all their tests and would be given free laptop , a mentor and learn whatever you want for three months and no payment at all.. it's free(it's easier for women in devcarrers))
There are lot of them on twitter follow the right people in tech both Nigeria and abroad and you will surely see a chance.
- stay active on twitter
- create a good LinkedIn profile and take it with serious
- Learn and Learn
- Believe in your self and you will surely get that job

DON'T LET ANY FUCKING PERSON DECIEVE YOU.
THE ONLY HURDLES WE HAVE TO OVERCOME IS LIMITATIONS IN OUR OWN MIND

HAPPY CODING! GOOD LUCK!

sparkle7:
Web developer is a type of programmer that builds web applications using frontend and back end tools. So the technologies you need is HTML and CSS (Paramount) JavaScript, a back end language like php or ruby or python or java, then databases like mysql, postgres or nosql databases like mongodb.
So as you can see the learning curve is deep from HTML to CSS to JavaScript to php using a database like mysql or mariadb.
If you enter into web dev just to get a job then you might go hungry and lose the interest in it.
One thing people fail to know is that programming is not like other business where you start seeing returns immediately.
It takes time bro and experience. Just like an investment you make on yourself and reap the rewards later.
You can work on andela, do freelance works on fiverr or run projects for computer science students.
My 2 cents.

When people ask question like the OP, i just advise them to go learn something else. Being a developer goes beyond a job. Its a lifestyle that must be fueled with passion. The tricky thing is that money will always come, but your development skills and expertise will have to matter first.

NonFarmPayrol:


Why cant you create a company that will make you a millionaire and not think of jobs after learning it

Are you a fire trader?

fredpaul:

When people ask question like the OP, i just advise them to go learn something else. Being a developer goes beyond a job. Its a lifestyle that must be fueled with passion. The tricky thing is that money will always come, but your development skills and expertise will have to matter first.

Yeah bro. Some people think it's plain easy. Not knowing it is a full career that needs 100% focus if you want to succeed. They think programming is a business.

udoekere:
Hi Nairalanders, i want to go into web design/development so i want to ask,what are my chances of getting a job as a web developer or what are the works of a web developer?
Pls Help..

you are thinking about getting a job because you have not yet acquired the skill . Boss If you get the skills your thinking will change to how will I create job.By the way I'm a python developer with just a year plus 5 months experience.

ohh

codemaniacs:
if you didn't study computer science or computer engineering go and get a job.... unless you want to be a freelancer.. no one would hire a self taught programmer in Nigeria .

this is my opinion..

I really don't typically comment but
your advice is misleading. I didn't study computer science but I've been on different jobs as a python developer. Now on >400k salary.. please encourage people. All the jobs I had no one ,I mean NO ONE demanded my certificate or School I went to.

sparkle7:

If you want to use java then use java. Don't fall for this bullsh.t talk of 'Java is dead'. What killed java if I may ask?
One thing with Nigeria is that we like new and flashy things. You chose a language based on stability of that lang and the needed libraries that can make your life easier. How large the community is, how detailed the documentation is and other relevant stuffs.
Depending on what you want to do, you chose a language. Java remains the undisputed champion on mobile app dev.

dey there, na so visual basic no know when na time to retire lol,
kotlin for native android apps, even google has dropped java as its official mobile app development language a while back.
flutter and reactNative or ionic for cross-platform apps. (flutter is gaining massive traction these days)

Java and spring is still king for enterprise level backend dev though, you can't take that away

jossydee1:


You have said it well.

Just an addition...

I will advise you that you start with the knowledge of HTML and CSS.

When I started programming, I had no mentor to guide me. It's the zeal that I had so I started learning on my own. I started with one of the tough languages (Java). It was latter I learnt HTML, CSS. I soon realised Java is not very lucrative anymore. But with consistency and determination, I kept learning and I'm still learning.

You have lots to learn when it comes to programming and you can't know it all.

So start with HTML and CSS. Later you can move to Javascript. By then, you would have got the understanding of the industry and know what next you should learn.

It's an interesting and challenging industry, I tell you.

You started learning on your own with determination, how exactly did you do it bro?

vingeophysicist:

you are thinking about getting a job because you have not yet acquired the skill . Boss If you get the skills your thinking will change to how will I create job.By the way I'm a python developer with just a year plus 5 months experience.

How has it been so far?
Is it worth it in the long run?
How well are you getting jobs to do?
Any advice for someone that is working towards being a full stack developer (currently on Css)?

Ejiod

Ejiod:

I really don't typically comment but
your advice is misleading. I didn't study computer science but I've been on different jobs as a python developer. Now on >400k salary.. please encourage people. All the jobs I had no one ,I mean NO ONE demanded my certificate or School I went to.

400 what? I know you are kidding...if i may ask which company are you working for?

Predstan:


Chai, look like you just wanna start learning n dont go to that field for the money but for passion.

A friend of mine earn 550k per month as a Tester. He was working with WeMa Bank. He also work with First Bank and UBA

pls who is a tester?

udoekere:
pls who is a tester?

Use Google sir..
IT Software Analyst/Tester is someone who analyzes an already built Software (web and App) to see if it meets the Business requirements

AIIyIic:


How has it been so far?
Is it worth it in the long run?
How well are you getting jobs to do?
Any advice for someone that is working towards being a full stack developer (currently on Css)?

Generally, it takes time to establish yourself in the industry . But with dedication and commitment you will surely laugh last. My cousin brother motivated me to join the train as i speak to you he is in Dubai working for an IT firm . His pay is more than 200k in Nigerian currency but he spent roughly 4 years practicing before he got the job. For me i have only executed one job. But you must have works you did to build your portfolio. I studied Applied geophysics, so don't allow your course of study(biochemistry) to discourage you. That one is just ordinary paper.
you need css, html, javascript plus a backend language like python, php, java, c#, c++, kotlin, R etc

SHOPPERS:


Big lie.

Fat lies.

As much as I agree with you to some extent he is not entirely wrong... most company outsource their web project to big tech company like Andela, CK digitals etc and this people are fund of giving this project to their own students in turns. Freelancing and entrepreneurship remain a reliable source for self taught programmers however. and if you're lucky, a company might consider you on your portfolio l.