Ascony:


very good thought,

now this is the point where they will tell u that its all a mystery u will never understand.

"ǝsǝ ıs oʞ 'uıɟos o ıʇ nlI" - ʍɐl ǝɥʇ ɟo uoıssǝɹƃsuɐɹʇ ǝɥʇ sı uıS˙uıs sı ssǝusnoǝʇɥƃıɹun llɐ

Joagbaje:

Sin was found in him , he had a choice God doesn't program our thoughts for us. He became greedy and he didn't check it until his greedy thoughts moved him into an error. Every man is tempt when he is drawn of his own lust. Without the devil, man also still has his natural characteristics. Remember that during the millennial reign. When the devil would have been put in the bottomless pit, there would still be need for law and justice on the earth , even when there is no devil. Why? Because every man still has a character of his spirit.

Joagbaje:

Sin was found in him , he had a choice God doesn't program our thoughts for us. He became greedy and he didn't check it until his greedy thoughts moved him into an error. Every man is tempt when he is drawn of his own lust. Without the devil, man also still has his natural characteristics. Remember that during the millennial reign. When the devil would have been put in the bottomless pit, there would still be need for law and justice on the earth , even when there is no devil. Why? Because every man still has a character of his spirit.

Martian:

Great explanation!!! I applaud you brother.

Jenwitemi:

Joagbaje, the artful dodger. You did not even make the attempt to address the core question. Let me remind you one more time what that question is; IF THERE WAS NO SIN PRIOR TO LUCIFER, WHERE DID THE SINFUL THOUGHT TO DEPOSE GOD COME FROM? Simple. Please, respond properly this time and quit the sidestepping.

Joagbaje:

You are only answering your name , so no offence. I answered you already.  A man has ability to disobey God. Angels have the ability to dis obey, God gave lucifer the ability to obey him and not to, he had his will, lucifer does not need a devil to sin,

Obeying God is out of reverence and worship. The same goes for man.   In the millennial , Satan will not be there to tempt man, but man will still exercise his his will to obey or not. After this will be the final judgement

Jenwitemi:

Still dancing around, unsurprisingly. Let me help you here. Because the bible god gives the will to sin, HE IS THE ORIGIN OF SIN, THEN. Right, jo?

nuclearboy:

Jenwitemi:

Inesqor has started to explain but let me try to give another perspectivenon this issue.

Until God made laws and said, "this is bad", there was NO sin or transgression possible. Once laws were in place, sin became a possibility.

The choice of doing right or wrong belongs to us. As long as we are tempted and do not act on the temptation, we remain free of sin. Satan acted on his instincts and decided he wanted more than was his due. That was the onset of sin. Its like saying a gun kills. No, people kill. And they don't just kill (in this case) - they DECIDE to kill

InesQor:

@4one9

What I quoted there by e36991 was, in English, "Where there is no law, there is no trangression".

When you define what is right, you have defined what is NOT right.

I have argued this metaphysically in the past, I wont bother doing so again. You can read it here.

Meta-ethics: The Nature And Origins Of Good And Evil

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=402063

Cheers

nuclearboy:

Jenwitemi:

Inesqor has started to explain but let me try to give another perspectivenon this issue.

Until God made laws and said, "this is bad", there was NO sin or transgression possible. Once laws were in place, sin became a possibility.

The choice of doing right or wrong belongs to us. As long as we are tempted and do not act on the temptation, we remain free of sin. Satan acted on his instincts and decided he wanted more than was his due. That was the onset of sin. Its like saying a gun kills. No, people kill. And they don't just kill (in this case) - they DECIDE to kill

nuclearboy:


@Jenwitemi:

Your theology is faulty. Rather than depend on hearsay which you have decided to give credence, why not study? The KOH you speak of - is it in the past or present or future? Or did you create it in your own mind as an amalgamation of hearsay, past, future and wishful thinking?

4one9:


Been wondering, the origin of sin was when lucifer (satan) was sent to earth after his fall.

He wanted to be greater than God and occupy Gods position,

Where did the thought of him wanting to be greater than God come from (the thought is a sin)

since satanism and sin started after lucifer fall (rebel against God),

does it mean that d spirit of sin has existed b/f lucifer decided to rebel against God or wat?

I mean where does satan get that sinful thought of him wanting to be greater than God?

(dont knw hw to explain my point better but hpe u grab wat i mean)?

Intelligent response only.

nuclearboy:

Jenwitemi:

Inesqor has started to explain but let me try to give another perspectivenon this issue.

Until God made laws and said, "this is bad", there was NO sin or transgression possible. Once laws were in place, sin became a possibility.

The choice of doing right or wrong belongs to us. As long as we are tempted and do not act on the temptation, we remain free of sin.

Satan acted on his instincts and decided he wanted more than was his due.

That was the onset of sin. Its like saying a gun kills. No, people kill. And they don't just kill (in this case) - they DECIDE to kill

Deep Sight:


You need to come up with something more plausible.

You say that "Satan acted on his instincts". . . without bothering to wonder from where such instincts arose?

From where did all things in existence arise?

nuclearboy:


@DS:

Replace "instincts[" with "desire" if that will butter your toast

Benstino:


Sin can't just come into existence.

God himself never created sin but . . .

nuclearboy:

@DS:

Replace "instincts" with "desire" if that will butter your toast