CaveAdullam:
Classic specimen of a human being @muttleylaff is dissecting this issue of trinity like the way he does with the "other." I love that H2O, water analysis. You try well well. 3 gbosa for you muttley... Lol

This Pastor-Teacher, Ihedinobi, want to drag HOD's chair, nor be for nairaland e go for happen. Learn to take corrections first before running to give others correction pastor-teacher. In other words first remove the log of wood in your eyes before finding a speck of dust in the eyes of another.

Thanks.

God bless.

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How did I not notice that the "other" teasing comment, lol,

MuttleyLaff:
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How did I not notice that the "other" teasing comment, lol,

Lol

Amen

ichuka:
■Why, in God’s plan of redemption, must Christ be both God and man at the same time?

1. Christ is God because
■ cursed is a man who puts His trust(and obedience) in another man, making flesh and blood His strength - Jeremiah 17 vs 5 - 11
■ God's plan from the beginning has always been to sit as God and ruler over the people of Israel along with all the Nations of the world — as a shepherd, Guide, Helper, Teacher, Judge, etc.,— Himself

As for the second part of your question, well, not only did He have to be a man, but he also had to be born of the bloodline of David because
■ God promised the people of Israel a king from the line of David to rule over Israel forever - Jeremiah 33 vs 14 - 22
■ God promised the people of Israel prophets from among their brethren alone - Deuteronomy 18
■ God's special Kingdom of Priests — the Kingdom of God — God specifically said He would make of the children of Israel. - Exodus 19 vs 6

respect80:
It is to showcase the possibility of living a sinless life as humans.

That makes no sense of any kind. Did you read the question at all? You are asked why... not to give vague soundbites which mean next to nothing where God's plan is involved. As for living a holy life. John the Baptist was a holy man — who lived sinlessly— who lived a holy life and died a righteous man of the Old Law. All of the prophets of the Old Covenant, along with all the people who died in righteousness, also live holy lives in accordance with God's Law. Before Jesus Christ showed up, humans were able to live a holy life, so the purpose of Jesus Christ has so much more to it than showcasing a possibility — which is instead a fact.

Kobojunkie:
That makes no sense of any kind. Did you read the question at all? You are asked why... not to give vague soundbites which mean next to nothing where God's plan is involved. As for living a holy life. John the Baptist was a holy man — who lived sinlessly— who lived a holy life and died a righteous man of the Old Law. All of the prophets of the Old Covenant, along with all the people who died in righteousness, also live holy lives in accordance with God's Law. Before Jesus Christ showed up, humans were able to live a holy life, so the purpose of Jesus Christ has so much more to it than showcasing a possibility — which is instead a fact.

To you maybe, but many believes.

ichuka:
To you maybe, but many believes.

Who cares what they believe. If it ain't the truth of God it means nothing.

Kobojunkie:
Who cares what they believe. If it ain't the truth of God it means nothing.

Truth means different things to so many people

Kobojunkie:
1. Christ is God because
■ cursed is a man who puts His trust(and obedience) in another man, making flesh and blood His strength - Jeremiah 17 vs 5 - 11
■ God's plan from the beginning has always been to sit as God and ruler over the people of Israel along with all the Nations of the world — as a shepherd, Guide, Helper, Teacher, Judge, etc.,— Himself

As for the second part of your question, well, not only did He have to be a man, but he also had to be born of the bloodline of David because
■ God promised the people of Israel a king from the line of David to rule over Israel forever - Jeremiah 33 vs 14 - 22
■ God promised the people of Israel prophets from among their brethren alone - Deuteronomy 18
■ God's special Kingdom of Priests — the Kingdom of God — God specifically said He would make of the children of Israel. - Exodus 19 vs 6

Ok,tried . keep it up

ichuka:
Truth means different things to so many people

In the Kingdom of God, there is only one meaning to Truth and it is Jesus Christ, the National Constitution and Gospel in God's Special Kingdom of Priests — Exodus 19 vs 6 — aka the Kingdom of God. There is no other Truth that should exist to those who are of that nation.

missjo:
Okay this i cannot fault

I am afraid the one you responded to was actually wrong in his assertion. Animal sacrifices were quite sufficient for the purpose that God meant them for in the Old Covenant and Law of Moses. The Sin offering and the guilt offering were instituted by God as a way of erasing the sins and guilt of the people in the land once every year.

One thing which most who pretend that by sullying the Old Law and its rituals, they can obtain glory for Jesus Christ don't even realize is that when Jesus Christ returns during the time of the resurrection, He is to bring back the sacrificing of animals as defined in the Old Law at the time God makes His city of Jerusalem Holy again.

missjo:
■I think i will sum up your three questions into one and provide a substantive answer. Adam & Eve disobeyed and caused themselves to acknowledge their own unclothedness because the glory of God was departed from them. They tried to cover themselves up with leaves BUT God deemed this insufficient covering so Jehovah did this:
■To make a coat of skins, animals had to provide the raw material. And for this to happen, the animal gave its life and had to be killed, its blood shed. This was the very first sacrificial rite performed by God himself. There was shedding of blood to cover the unclothedness of Adam & Eve. [b]In essence, sin does expose us to spiritual unclothedness and God cannot look upon us without a sort of covering over us. Blood became a necessity, and only animals could be used for this purpose during the age of humans after Adam & Eve since it is abominable to spill the blood of a human (See Cain and Abel). Jesus was not all human, his blood had the God-characteristics, it is not just any blood.[/b]
His sacrificial offering on the cross is the final blood sacrifice.

1. When was this "glory" put on them in the first place?

2. This story of yours does not add up at all. First of all, God did look upon Adam and Eve when He came to where they were hiding, only their shame kept them from revealing themselves to God in their naked state. Second, God killed the animals in order to cover the unclothedness of Adam and Eve, not because God couldn't stand it but because Adam and Eve couldn't stand their own unclothedness. So why did you have to twist that around to assert instead that it was God who had a problem with Adam and Eve in their naked state? Also, given that blood was supposedly shed yet no redemption was made available to Adam and Eve by God, doesn't this basically render of no value your assertions regarding what you claim is spiritual unclothedness, blood becoming a necessity, etc?

Kobojunkie:
In the Kingdom of God, there is only one meaning to Truth and it is Jesus Christ, the National Constitution and Gospel in God's Special Kingdom of Priests — Exodus 19 vs 6 — aka the Kingdom of God. There is no other Truth that should exist to those who are of that nation.

You are ofcourse as usual

Auki:
■ That is blasphemy. A statement of had known before the Lord of the Throne. Illogical statements if only u can use ur brain.
■ Your God is One God,
■ Jesus is not your God nor is partner to God but a righteous slave of God.

1. Why is it blasphemy?
2. The God you quote there is the God of Israel and this is from the Law of Moses which happens to be the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan — Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20
3. How do you know this for a fact?

kkins25:
are you accusing my lord-David that he formulated so called his LORD induced inspirational passages?

YHWH aka Jehovah is the God of Israel — the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan. That Name applies specifically to that agreement as God made known in Exodus 3 vs 1 - 8 and Exodus 6 vs 1 - 6. Jesus Christ is Lord over God's special Nation of Priests — the National Constitution of the Kingdom of Priests - Exodus 19 vs 6 - which God constituted of the people of Israel aka the Kingdom of God. That is the agreement that Jesus Christ represents. i.e. is Lord of.

Hairyrapunzel:
But bible says there is but one Lord jesus christ or are you accusing paul of lying?

Sure, Paul can lie that is why Jesus Christ warned you to cross-check everything against His, Jesus Christ's own Words. However, In the Kingdom of God, there is one Lord and His name is Jesus Christ.

kkins25:
are you implying that jesus and jehova are the same entity? are you saying that in heaven now, there is no longer a jesus since he was God before he manifested into the skin of man (as muttleylaff would put it)

Where do you get that YHWH is in Heaven though?

shalom4eva:
Jesus Christ is the WORD of God and that makes him a part of God as told in John 1 vs 1, but my issue is that, if you read throughout the bible, Jesus never directly referred himself as God, He always talk about his Father in heaven and calls himself the son of God. So if we say he is God why did he not mention it for ones in all his direct statements.

Jesus Christ rightly didn't refer to Himself as God but He implied it from many of what He did in fact say. And no, this is definitely not an endorsement of man's doctrine of trinity which is just a bunch of lies cobbled together by false teachers and false prophets to deceive people with.

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As is written in Scripture, Jesus Christ is God, and God(the Father) is God, but God(the Father) is not Jesus Christ. This, a logical case of A is B but B is not A. And this is what is clearly explained in all of scripture to all those who will KNOW the Truth of God from the lies of men.

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In Scripture, beginning in the Old Testament, we learn the following of God :
▪︎ God is God of Wrath
▪︎ God is God of Laws
▪︎ God is Good/Righteous
▪︎ God is Faithful
▪︎ God is Love
▪︎ God is True (Word)
▪︎ God is Life
▪︎ All Wisdom, Knowledge, and Understanding are of God
.....
And of Jesus Christ, we are informed by Him, particularly in John 14 vs 6, that He is
▪︎ God's Truth (Word)
▪︎ God's Life
▪︎ God's Law (one of many) aka The Way


So as indicated, Jesus Christ is born from some of the very same essences that is God(Father) - they are both in synch as far as that which they share. And this explains much of what Jesus Christ said of His relationship to the Father
■ The Father is greater than He, Jesus Christ,
■ He, Jesus Christ, is in the Father, and the Father is in Him(Jesus Christ),
■ All that Jesus Christ gives to you, His follower, is that which the Father gives Him,
■ He, Jesus Christ does only that which His Father bids Him do,
■ He, Jesus Christ cannot do anything apart from the Father,
■ He, Jesus Christ said," “My Father never stops working, and so I work too.”
■ He, Jesus Christ also said, “I assure you that the Son can do nothing alone. He does only what he sees his Father doing. The Son does the same things that the Father does. The Father loves the Son and shows him everything he does."
....etc.

So, Jesus Christ is God. However, since Jesus Christ doesn't possess all of the essences of God inside of Him, God isn't Jesus Christ.

Amen

THAT'S THE WAY OF GOD AND IT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE WAY OF MAN.

PRAY THAT YOU MAY NOT ENTER INTO TEMPTATION.

orisa37:
PRAY THAT YOU MAY NOT ENTER INTO TEMPTATION.

Amen

ichuka:

Amen

GOD IS REDEMPTION!!!

orisa37:


GOD IS REDEMPTION!!!

Amen bro
Blessed Sunday to you