kimco:


Both could be disorders...for now the study on homosexuality is inconclusive so i wont commit myself fully.

However, if even if they both are, one involves sleeping with another who cannot consent...the other involves two adults consenting. Even bestiality. That and that alone makes a whole world's diff. Even if homos are not born dat way and its a choice of life, its between two consenting adults. If you want to be told what to do with your sexual life by an authority figure...well.....

In a situation where God is not in the equation, then the source of right and wrong, and morality is MAN. It only makes sense that humans will decide based of several factors including Scientific studies for deciding right and wrong.

In other words, in the family of sexual preferences, we can say studies on homosexuality is complete while that of bestiality in incomplete (based on available funding). This simply means that the determination of write or wrong depend on the school of thought championing a cause and not on any objective methodology.

Let's look at conscentual sex as a basis for determining morality.
If homosexuality is right based on conscentual agreement between adult, can we use the same rule for bestiality?
If we argue that animals cannot give conscent, how come it is legal to slaughter a goat and eat it without receiving a conscent!?

When the Universe is made by a Creator God, we can thus have rules beyond what human beings can produce. Hence homosexuality can be wrong because the creator of the universe says so and it may not be subject to debate.

kimco:


Have u ever spoken to a homosexual before? Have u asked them questions without being judgemental? If you havent i suggest u do...otherwise u are in no position to hypothesize. Atleast the *whiteman* has spoken to them. Start from dere and build your case.

I have seen on or two delivered from the homosexual spirit. I have also seen a few Kleptomaniacs to know that the "disorder" is very similar. A few weeks ago I watched a scientific documentary that seems to suggest that pedophilic tendencies are genetically induced.
Can we therefore trust what comes out from the Scientific community?


On this post, you see "former LGBTs" claim healing from such. This proves that it isn't genetic it is a choice! If it is genetic, their can be no healing! Do you agree with this?

kimco:
Correct... So it shocks me when christians critisize islam extremists when they kill homosexuals... Its in their bible to do so as well.

But you know, not following it tells u that even christians hve realised how extremist the *Holy Book* can be as well. Their moral compass, relegated from religion at that point tells them that it simply madness to follow blindly.

Michellekabod2:
Lọrdreéd, MuttleyLaff, budäätum, sọnmväyina, etc please you all should stop engaging jesusjnr in banters so that he will not have an excuse of being too busy responding to you all that he couldn't make time to manifest a miracle when he fails at #deactivateyourmoniker...

He has barely 7 weeks to go...

kimco, you're blindly arguing upandan the thread with shädeyinkä, without even properly understanding what is going on with Leviticus 20:13.

Aside bringing yourself up to speed, on all you need to know about the intricacies of Leviticus 20:13, you come across as a smart and intelligent person, and it's clear from your comments, that I've all so far been reading, that you have your head correctly screwed on right. It is going to be a piece of cake and walk in the park, for someone like you, to gather together and build up all the information about and knowledge concerning Leviticus 20:13. to then make contextual, practical, wise, correct and true sense of Leviticus 20:13. Broden your view, so to see that, then it wasnt a case of the Bible, really being extreme or christians realising jackshit anything.

If not for respecting the wishes of Michellekabod2, who literally as a sort of manner of speaking and result of it, has had my hands tied up and mouth muffled, so not to make any sound, that self-proclaimed prophet jesusjnr would have by now, long time heard and/or had an earful from me.fake arsed fake prophet jesusjnr having the nerve and cheek to be calling someone else though he is right, fake, lol. Both of dem be "ole" thieves ... Nobi until when morning come, pipul go take sabi who be barawo thief nau, lol. Thief saying arm robber dey steal, lol.

"... as you already know, I have been relieved of that work and no more have the liberty to talk about that subject or make comments on the matter"
- Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by muttleylaff: 10:28pm On Jul 28
https://www.nairaland.com/5252047/cultism-spiritual-consequences-deliverance-through/34#80723183

kimco, I hope you appreciate the huge risks I am taking by skating on thin ice, coming to touch on this subject here, especially after already being relieved from talking about it, so my dear brother, I trust you'll understand, if I should at any moment, suddenly clam up and refuse to respond to any of your probing(s) that I know could and/or would get me into very hot unsavoury soup with God.
cc Olivegreen, tiwatenitomi

shadeyinka:

I have seen on or two delivered from the homosexual spirit. I have also seen a few Kleptomaniacs to know that the "disorder" is very similar. A few weeks ago I watched a scientific documentary that seems to suggest that pedophilic tendencies are genetically induced.
Can we therefore trust what comes out from the Scientific community?


On this post, you see "former LGBTs" claim healing from such. This proves that it isn't genetic it is a choice! If it is genetic, their can be no healing! Do you agree with this?

1. Your word "seen" is not a great argument at all. You have not spoken to any. You don't have the technical know how to assume things on the fly without proper research. At least start by indulging these people. Your preconceived view of these people's lifestyle will not be helpful in your "on-the-fly" assumption. So in order help yourself see things from a more neutral position, at least indulge them.

2. I would like the study that states as facts kleptos are genetically inclined to their disorder. You have to at least provide a source for this claim otherwise bro you are not trying at all.

3. I remember seeing a woman on benny hinn's show saying she was healed of cancer by hinn and so was told to stop taking the cancer drugs cos the lord is a healer. 3 months later she died. Quite a number of these situations have occured alot. Im not saying that is, for a fact, the same situation here but due to precedence, i would take these healing confessions with a grain of salt. I dont think they are healed...but we can never prove that that is true or not. We can only go by their words and we both know people dont pretend to be healed in the house of the lord.

kimco:


1. Your word "seen" is not a great argument at all. You have not spoken to any. You don't have the technical know how to assume things on the fly without proper research. At least start by indulging these people. Your preconceived view of these people's lifestyle will not be helpful in your "on-the-fly" assumption. So in order help yourself see things from a more neutral position, at least indulge them.

If I indulge them as you claim then, I'll have to indulge people with:
Pedophilic orientation
Bestial orientation
Necrophiliac orientation
Coprophilia orientation
HOMOSEXUAL ORIENTATION
etc

That I can't do because truely speaking, ALL stated above are sexual orientation among human beings. Don't they all deserve the same treatment?

kimco:

2. I would like the study that states as facts kleptos are genetically inclined to their disorder. You have to at least provide a source for this claim otherwise bro you are not trying at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcW4RxEtz98
Faulty wiring of the brain.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QULOS1OHCE8
Mis-connected neurons.

Both above genetic. Are you satisfied?

kimco:

3. I remember seeing a woman on benny hinn's show saying she was healed of cancer by hinn and so was told to stop taking the cancer drugs cos the lord is a healer. 3 months later she died. Quite a number of these situations have occured alot. Im not saying that is, for a fact, the same situation here but due to precedence, i would take these healing confessions with a grain of salt. I dont think they are healed...but we can never prove that that is true or not. We can only go by their words and we both know people dont pretend to be healed in the house of the lord.

The post above show a non-church based bunch of FORMER LGBTs who have repented/changed. It is possible to find reports of fake healing especially if motivated by a personality. But in this case as presented by the OP, such is not the case here.

My believe is that if the "syndrome" is genetic, it can only be chemically suppressed BUT not cured.

shadeyinka:

If I indulge them as you claim then, I'll have to indulge people with:
Pedophilic orientation
Bestial orientation
Necrophiliac orientation
Coprophilia orientation
HOMOSEXUAL ORIENTATION
etc

That I can't do because truely speaking, ALL stated above are sexual orientation among human beings. Don't they all deserve the same treatment?





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcW4RxEtz98
Faulty wiring of the brain.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QULOS1OHCE8
Mis-connected neurons.

Both above genetic. Are you satisfied?



The post above show a non-church based bunch of FORMER LGBTs who have repented/changed. It is possible to find reports of fake healing especially if motivated by a personality. But in this case as presented by the OP, such is not the case here.

My believe is that if the "syndrome" is genetic, it can only be chemically suppressed BUT not cured.

1. Unfortunately i asked for sources for kleptos and my point still stands, homosexuality is between two consenting adults. The rest, not so...so u can see why there will be a higher tolerance for homosexuality than the rest, especially paedos...and kleptos

2.You missed the point totally, the woman who had cancer believed she was cured, trully believed so,even tho it turned out not to be so. So in the same sense, the homos may believe that they are trully cured. And you couldnt have stated your last point any better, it can only be suppressed...but the highest possibilities of reoccurrence is expected with dese forms of conversion tactics.

kimco:


1. Unfortunately i asked for sources for kleptos and my point still stands, homosexuality is between two consenting adults. The rest, not so...so u can see why there will be a higher tolerance for homosexuality than the rest, especially paedos...and kleptos

Your argument is: "If a sexual activity is between two concenting adults, then it's ok"
How then would you apply the same rule to bestiality? The man and the donkey are adults: therefore their sexual activities are permissible!?

Don't tell me that it's not conscentual, because I'm not sure eating of chicken is right because conscent was sought

kimco:

2.You missed the point totally, the woman who had cancer believed she was cured, trully believed so,even tho it turned out not to be so. So in the same sense, the homos may believe that they are trully cured. And you couldnt have stated your last point any better, it can only be suppressed...but the highest possibilities of reoccurrence is expected with dese forms of conversion tactics.

The number of former LGBTs are in thousands all over the world, not just the ones presented here. You'll see hundreds of them even on YouTube: they can't all be wrong.

Many of them say they have a revulsion of having sex with same sex as before. That isn't a suppression. Suppression occurs only when the repented LGBT continue to be tempted by these kinds of sexual perversion.

shadeyinka:

Your argument is: "If a sexual activity is between two concenting adults, then it's ok"
How then would you apply the same rule to bestiality? The man and the donkey are adults: therefore their sexual activities are permissible!?

Don't tell me that it's not conscentual, because I'm not sure eating of chicken is right because conscent was sought

If an animal doesn't want to have sex with u, how would you know that? If you are in love with an animal and during sex the animal moans to ur touches and penetration, how do you know it's ecstacy or a cry for help? Can an animal tell u to stop ur advances at it? Therefore an animal cannot give consent. Simple. A consenting adult here doesn't involve animals....dont play smart, its not clever.
Your second statement doesnt match here. i doubt any one can give a consent to be slaughtered and killed. If u r going for the "if dey can be killed without consent they can be sexually molested too. Unfortunately it is africa that rules don't work here otherwise to kill an animal in your house is criminal. U need to send it to the appropriate place..for it to be killed off humanely as possible. Since the chicken cannot consent to your advances, its criminal. No consent equals rape. Simple as that. Adult goats too cannot consent.

shadeyinka:

The number of former LGBTs are in thousands all over the world, not just the ones presented here. You'll see hundreds of them even on YouTube: they can't all be wrong.

Many of them say they have a revulsion of having sex with same sex as before. That isn't a suppression. Suppression occurs only when the repented LGBT continue to be tempted by these kinds of sexual perversion.

You say former LGBT i say closet LGBT. Think about it this way. If i put u through conversion therapy so u wouldn't be attracted to women anymore, how long till u revert if i placed u in las Vegas. Look! people lie, their numbers wont change that...sometimes its not deliberate because they truly believe what they say....

Are you saying because of their numbers they cannot fall victim to the testimony farse of conversion therapy? ....Do you know how much some of these people hate what they are
just because of what society makes them feel? Don't let their number fool you bruh...only if you could follow up on them you would know that the feelings never go away. Studies prove that with these conversion tactics they always revert either openly or in the closet.

kimco:


If an animal doesnt want to have sex with u, how would you know that? If you are in love with an animal and it during sex the animal moans to ur touches and penetration, can you tell the difference between that and a cry for help? Can an animal tell u to stop ur advances at it? Therefore an animal cannot give consent. Simple. A consenting adult here doesnt involve animals....dont play smart, its not clever.
Your second statement doesnt match here. i doubt any one can give a consent to be slaughtered and killed. If u r going for the "if dey can be killed without consent they can be sexually molested too. Unfortunately it is africa that rules dont work here otherwise to kill an animal in ur house is criminal. U need to send it to the appropriate place..for it to be killed off humanely as possible. Since the chicken cannot consent to ur advances, its criminal. No consent equals rape. Simple as that. Adult goats cannot consent.

I think it's too easy that the argument of conscent doesn't hold water when issues of sexual orientations are concerned. Otherwise like said earlier, eating animals would be tantamount to murder (as animals cannot give conscent. The same applies to when a 15 year old boy/girl seduces an adult: this is rape and Argument of conscent is a weak argument.

kimco:

You say former LGBT i say closet LGBT. Think about it this way. If i put u through conversion therapy so u wouldnt be attracted to women anymore how long till u revert if i placed u in las vegas. Look people lie, their numbers wont change that...sometyms its not deliberate but they truly believe what they say....

Are you saying because of their numbers they all cannot fall victim to the testimony farse conversion therapy? ....do you know how much some of these people hate what they are because of what society makes them feel? Dont let their number fool you bruh...only if you could follow up on them you would know that feelings never go away. Studies prove that with these conversion tactics they always revert either openly or in the closet.

I am sure you've not seen homosexuals who proceeded to the level of both chemical and surgical sexual reassignment regret their activity AND then come out straight (for most an act of regret)

Please note that A Sex transitioned person is first a homosexual who decide to have a permanent sex reassignment.

Unfortunately, for some of them, it ends up in a big regret.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkybueVZHoI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pxxBQm114k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r09cDPsQ1wI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bV8AaeYKjQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsPsKt-zW2U

I disagree with the bolded. A Swedish study show that suicide is common among them

shadeyinka:

I think it's too easy that the argument of conscent doesn't hold water when issues of sexual orientations are concerned. Otherwise like said earlier, eating animals would be tantamount to murder (as animals cannot give conscent. The same applies to when a 15 year old boy/girl seduces an adult: this is rape and Argument of conscent is a weak argument.


I am sure you've not seen homosexuals who proceeded to the level of both chemical and surgical sexual reassignment regret their activity AND then come out straight (for most an act of regret)

Please note that A Sex transitioned person is first a homosexual who decide to have a permanent sex reassignment.

Unfortunately, for some of them, it ends up in a big regret.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkybueVZHoI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pxxBQm114k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r09cDPsQ1wI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bV8AaeYKjQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsPsKt-zW2U

I disagree with the bolded. A Swedish study show that suicide is common among them

Im only going to react to the last bit since thats the only place we disagree on now.

By revert, i dont mean to go back having sex with same gender. I mean the feelings do come back so it makes sense that most will be suicidal cos they have been made to hate themselves. That's y from the onset i stated that i hope they are being made to accept themselves instead of other people's ideals which usually ends up tragic.

Also the issue of consent is a legal thing. Its spelt out black and white when it comes to children and animals. If a fifteen year old seduces an adult, he is expected to act like de adult he is and handle the situation. If a 6 yr old girl starts touching ur privates cos she is curious (probably after watching porn) will u allow her to do so and tell the world she seduced u?

The transgender issue i will not enter there cos i dont have as much info as i would like....

[quote author=kimco post=84520668]

Im only going to react to the last bit since thats the only place we disagree on now.

By revert, i dont mean to go back having sex with same gender. I mean the feelings do come back so it makes sense that most will be suicidal cos they have been made to hate themselves. That's y from the onset i stated that i hope they are being made to accept themselves instead of other people's ideals which usually ends up tragic.

A man is made to Believe the he's a Woman because he feels miserable about himself. He first decides to be a female homosexual. This still doesn't solve his problem, so he goes to the medical specialists who evaluates him for sex reassignment surgery. He does the surgery hoping to feel better but alas, no! He commits suicide.

Can't you see that the problem is this man and not the society? He is sick and instead of healing/treating him, a placebo intervention was given. His problem isn't gender related but mental. Just like a person suffering from other sexual orientation problems, he needs help.


[quote author=kimco post=84520668]
Also the issue of consent is a legal thing. Its spelt out black and white when it comes to children and animals. If a fifteen year old seduces an adult, he is expected to act like de adult he is and handle the situation. If a 6 yr old girl starts touching ur privates cos she is curious (probably after watching porn) will u allow her to do so and tell the world she seduced u?

The transgender issue i will not enter there cos i dont have as much info as i would like....

In other words, "mutual conscent" is an extremely weak argument. Suppose I killed an adult friend who ask me to help him die: and this friend document in in both writing and video recordings that he gave me a loaded gun with which to shoot him with. Will the law absolve me of murder? No!

In other words, sexual activities between conscenting adults does not make it correct or right. In other words, why should we demonise those who commit bestiality or necrophilia and not just treat it as just sexual orientation?

[quote author=shadeyinka post=84529251][/quote] I think you are now fighting your own battle with the law now. All things considered euthunasia is a shaky subject...due to the concept of preservation of life. If you sleep with a drunk lady and she wakes up and claims you rapwd her you are likely to lose the case. Because even though she didnt resist she was not in the right mental state to give consent. Is that sinking in? Good. Same way a dying man isnt considered to be in his right of mind to give consent cos he wants to end his suffering. i agree it a shaky topic

kimco:
I think you are now fighting your own battle with the law now. All things considered euthunasia is a shaky subject...due to the concept of preservation of life. If you sleep with a drunk lady and she wakes up and claims you rapwd her you are likely to lose the case. Because even though she didnt resist she was not in the right mental state to give consent. Is that sinking in? Good. Same way a dying man isnt considered to be in his right of mind to give consent cos he wants to end his suffering. i agree it a shaky topic

In other words, I think powerful and influential lobbyists are using the medical, media and scientific communities are doing everything to legitimise a "shaky and unstable subject of justifying homosexuality".

It is actually justifying a mental illness to make it normal and acceptable. After all, what is a mental illness? It's just deviation from what is of "common sense" and "common behaviours". I believe you know that some countries legalized bestiality as ok. Very soon, such behaviours will be exported if the right lobby group with funds come along

shadeyinka:

In other words, I think powerful and influential lobbyists are using the medical, media and scientific communities are doing everything to legitimise a "shaky and unstable subject of justifying homosexuality".

It is actually justifying a mental illness to make it normal and acceptable. After all, what is a mental illness? It's just deviation from what is of "common sense" and "common behaviours". I believe you know that some countries legalized bestiality as ok. Very soon, such behaviours will be exported if the right lobby group with funds come along

Isnt that always the case? For every law u make someone will hate it.

Bestiality being legal in these countries is not something i will concern myself with...but if have sex with my pet, i will harm u...maybe de law will spread, but it doesnt equate it to homosexuality....that correlation is not a good one.

kimco:


Isnt that always the case? For every law u make someone will hate it.

Bestiality being legal in these countries is not something i will concern myself with...but if have sex with my pet, i will harm u...maybe de law will spread, but it doesnt equate it to homosexuality....that correlation is not a good one.

It is a very very good correlation.
Homosexuality is a kind of sexual preference.
How is it different from bestiality?
Or
How is it different from Pedophilia?

In fact the only argument against pedophilia is rape of under age
personality (as defined by the law)



Let me ask you a question:
Suppose I suddenly has a preference for walking about the street naked (nudity) should it be accepted as a norm or as an aberration (mental sickness)?

Who determines that this behaviour is normal? After all, animals don't put on clothes....And it hurts no body.

If scientists say the behaviour is perfectly normal, what will be your stance on nudity in public places?

shadeyinka:

It is a very very good correlation.
Homosexuality is a kind of sexual preference.
How is it different from bestiality?
Or
How is it different from Pedophilia?

In fact the only argument against pedophilia is rape of under age
personality (as defined by the law)



Let me ask you a question:
Suppose I suddenly has a preference for walking about the street naked (nudity) should it be accepted as a norm or as an aberration (mental sickness)?

Who determines that this behaviour is normal? After all, animals don't put on clothes....And it hurts no body.

If scientists say the behaviour is perfectly normal, what will be your stance on nudity in public places?

The correlation is not same cos the studies are not conclusive yet. A mentally retarded person is not the same as a person suffering from anxiety, jux cos they both suffer from "mental distress" dats why im saying there is no correlation. Lets not make it so. What makes dese you have mentioned diff, you ask? Same thing that makes murder diff from man slaughter or self defence involving killing. They all indulge the art of killing but are seen differently. You cant say, hey dey are all mental illness derefore must be treated same.

Like i said before at this point you are fighting the system....the laws laid down. And that's fine, otherwise we wouldn't have progressed as people. But im willing to bet that you wouldn't disown your friend or child if they say they were gay vrs kill any man who f**ks you little child or dog....that's the difference.

kimco:



The correlation is not same cos the studies are not conclusive yet. A mentally retarded person is not the same as a person suffering from anxiety, jux cos they both suffer from "mental distress" dats why im saying there is no correlation. Lets not make it so. What makes dese you have mentioned diff? Same thing that makes murder diff from man slaughter or self defence involving killing. They all indulge the art of killing but are seen differently. You cant say, hey dey are all mental illness derefore myt be treated same.

Justification or motive is the difference between a man who commit manslaughter and a man who commit murder. In both cases above, one is voluntary while the other is involuntary killing. Both are even offences against the law. The law even allows some form of "legal killing" like the armed forces are legalized to kill in some prescribed situations; so also is self defense.

But sexual perversion all come from the same root: preference.

Sexual attraction to same sex
Sexual attraction to children
Sexual attraction to animals
Sexual attraction to corpses

Unlike killing which can be justified or not depending on the circumstance, how can you justify any of the four aberrations above.

kimco:

Like i said before at this point you are fighting the system....the laws laid down. And thats fine, otherwise we wouldnt have progressed as people. But im willing to bet that you wouldnt disown your friend or child if they say they were gay vrs kill any man who f**ks you little child or dog....that's the difference.

And yes, you are perfectly correct here. I won't send a gay or bestial person to the gallows. No!

They are SICK and they need treatment. Just like a mad man on the street, they need help from unbiased good thinking psychiatrists.

I only have problem with those who justify such pervasions as normal. To me it's like saying Kleptomaniac behaviours are normal human behaviours and then trying to use a forged scientific result to rationalize them.

shadeyinka:

Justification or motive is the difference between a man who commit manslaughter and a man who commit murder. In both cases above, one is voluntary while the other is involuntary killing. Both are even offences against the law. The law even allows some form of "legal killing" like the armed forces are legalized to kill in some prescribed situations; so also is self defense.

But sexual perversion all come from the same root: preference.

Sexual attraction to same sex
Sexual attraction to children
Sexual attraction to animals
Sexual attraction to corpses

Unlike killing which can be justified or not kmdepending on the circumstance, how can you justify any of the four aberrations above.



And yes, you are perfectly correct here. I won't send a gay or bestial person to the gallows. No!

They are SICK and they need treatment. Just like a mad man on the street, they need help from unbiased good thinking psychiatrists.

I only have problem with those who justify such pervasions as normal. To me it's like saying Kleptomaniac behaviours are normal human behaviours and then trying to use a forged scientific result to rationalize them.

They are all not crimes, but subjected to legal hearing...man slaughter isnt necesarily a crime, but you will have your day in court to explain yourself. Also the response to that is diff in the face of the law.

You say the root cause of sexual perversion is preference, true. But which kind? Voluntarily or involuntarily? Answer this for me in your next post. On the issue of justification let me give u a scenario...or two. A man masturbates cos he has to keep himself from cheating on his wife who is away on a trip....its might be a perversion to the religious groups but isn't that justification enough? A group of prisoners are involve in same sex intercourse after being in prison for soooo long. Justified or not? Two male or female adults feel deep affection towards each other and have decided to love each other deeply....both have consented, justified or not!

Maybe they are sick and need help, maybe...but that is for them to decide (talking of homosexuals here) since they are not hurting anyone unlike the others. Why are u worried for two adults who have decided to be happy with each other? Do u wish to see both of them unhappy with sexes they are not attracted to so that you can have some peace of mind? If the concept of consenting adults does mean anything to you then i don't know wat to tell you.

Also nobody is saying these things are normal sexual preferences, its not the norm....they are only saying its okay for two consenting adults to be happy with each other instead of subjecting dem to rigorous therapy that might not work...and usually result in self loathe and possibly, suicide.
How about you make an argument for the other abnormal sexual preferences.

shadeyinka:
And yes, you are perfectly correct here. I won't send a gay or bestial person to the gallows. No!

They are SICK and they need treatment. Just like a mad man on the street, they need help from unbiased good thinking psychiatrists.

I only have problem with those who justify such pervasions as normal. To me it's like saying Kleptomaniac behaviours are normal human behaviours and then trying to use a forged scientific result to rationalize them.

Kleptomaniac behaviours is stealing and/or robbing. It is taking ownership of something that belongs to another person without their consent and/or approval. There is nothing normal in kleptomania as a human behaviour. One of the first set of sins committed in the garden was kleptomania.

kimco:
Two male or female adults feel deep affection towards each other and have decided to love each other deeply....both have consented, justified or not!

Maybe they are sick and need help, maybe...but that is for them to decide (talking of homosexuals here) since they are not hurting anyone unlike the others. Why are u worried for two adults who have decided to be happy with eachother? Do u wish to see both of them unhappy with sexes they are not attracted to so that you can some peace of mind? If the concept of consenting adults does mean anything to you then i dont know wat to tell you.

Also nobody is saying these things are normal sexual preferences, its not the norm....they are only saying its okay for two consenting adults to be happy with each other instead of subjecting dem to rigorous therapy that myt work...and usually result in self loathe and possibly suicide.
How about you make an argument for the other abnormal sexual preferences

shadeyinka wont send any Alan Turing to the gallows but will subject any somewhat Alan Turing to the "treatment" right, hmm?

shadeyinka, what of Leo Varadkar? Is Leo Varadkar SICK too? Does Leo Varadkar qualify as a right candidate for the shadeyinka prescribed highly applauded "treatment" huh, lol? Or its the horrifiying good old chemical castration treatment you pine for him, lol

kimco:


They are all not crimes, but subjected to legal hearing...man slaughter isnt necesarily a crime, but you will have your day in caught to explain yourself. Also the response to that is diff in the face of the law.

You say the root cause of sexual perversion is preference, true. But which kind? Voluntarily or involuntarily? Answer this for me in your next post. Incase of the justification lrt me give u a scenerio...or two. A man masturbates cos he has to keep himself from cheating on his wife who is away on a trip....its myt be a perversion to the religious groups but isnt that justification enough? A group of prisoners are involve in same sex intercourse after being in prison for soooo long. Justified or not? Two male or female adults feel deep affection towards each other and have decided to love each other deeply....both have consented, justified or not!

Is that not justifying societal aberration because some respected individuals acclaim such behaviours to be ok?

Some years ago, a Rugby football team (I think from the former Soviet Union) had an air-crash over a snow covered mountainous region. For three months, no one knew their whereabouts. Those who survived did so by eating the corpse of their fellow team members who died during the crash until they were rescued 3 months after.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfOTeudQY5s

By your argument, this is a perfect illustration to prove that Cannibalism is Okay for humans (if no one is hurt in the process).

No! Your examples justify nothing!

kimco:


Maybe they are sick and need help, maybe...but that is for them to decide (talking of homosexuals here) since they are not hurting anyone unlike the others. Why are u worried for two adults who have decided to be happy with eachother? Do u wish to see both of them unhappy with sexes they are not attracted to so that you can some peace of mind? If the concept of consenting adults does mean anything to you then i dont know wat to tell you.

Also nobody is saying these things are normal sexual preferences, its not the norm....they are only saying its okay for two consenting adults to be happy with each other instead of subjecting dem to rigorous therapy that myt work...and usually result in self loathe and possibly suicide.
How about you make an argument for the other abnormal sexual preferences.

Do you think that a mad man feel that he is abnormal?

If we go by your argument, Then it should be okay for a man to go naked to the market if it makes him happy and he's not hurting anyone.

When a person is sick, he needs help. He shouldn't be indulged to continue in his abnormal behaviours.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnMKzLVNyYg

The kid above has a problem. He enjoyed eating and he's not hurting anyone. But love is seeking treatment for him not justifying that it's normal to be abnormal!

MuttleyLaff:
Kleptomaniac behaviours is stealing and/or robbing. It is taking ownership of something that belongs to another person without their consent and/or approval. There is nothing normal in kleptomania as a human behaviour. One of the first set of sins committed in the garden was kleptomania.

shadeyinka wont send any Alan Turing to the gallows but will subject any somewhat Alan Turing to the "treatment" right, hmm?

shadeyinka, what of Leo Varadkar? Is Leo Varadkar SICK too? Does Leo Varadkar qualify as a right candidate for the shadeyinka prescribed highly applauded "treatment" huh, lol? Or its the horrifiying good old chemical castration treatment you pine for him, lol

You are very wicked!
Am I a psychiatrist who treats mental illnesses?
If they can't employ a qualified psychiatrist, let them seek for deliverance from a qualified Christian!

Both of them are successful in their own right, it doesn't make them mentally perfect.

This year, an autistic Nigerian child graduated from the university below the age of 12 (in USA or UK university)
The fact that we have some autistic geniuses does not make autism a "normal disorder!" Autism is a genetic disorder, it has no solution nor treatment. And, I don't know if you have met a "former autistic" person unlike homosexuality.

shadeyinka:
Is that not justifying societal aberration because some respected individuals acclaim such behaviours to be ok?

Some years ago, a Rugby football team (I think from the former Soviet Union) had an air-crash over a snow covered mountainous region. For three months, no one knew their whereabouts. Those who survived did so by eating the corpse of their fellow team members who died during the crash until they were rescued 3 months after.

"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten."
- Ecclesiastes 9:5

The dead know nothing and a man in order to stay and remain alive, got to do what a man's got to do. Without you necessarily mountng on your higher moral ground, if you were to be found in similar circumstances, I bet my hypothetical third ball, you'll munch off those dead corpses in order to stay alive and stave off those painful and agonising hunger pangs

shadeyinka:
By your argument, this is a perfect illustration to prove that Cannibalism is Okay for humans (if no one is hurt in the process).

No! Your examples justify nothing!

There are times when the exception to the rule kicks in

shadeyinka:
Do you think that a mad man feel that he is abnormal?

He would if and/or when he comes to self and his senses

shadeyinka:
If we go by your argument, Then it should be okay for a man to go naked to the market if it makes him happy and he's not hurting anyone.

shadeyinka:
When a person is sick, he needs help. He shouldn't be indulged to continue in his abnormal behaviours.

Of course, if clinically certified sick, yeah will need help. Idiosyncrasy is a prerogative. Why should you want to deprive others the entitlement to their harmless, inoffensive, safe to themselves and others idiosyncrasies, hmm?

shadeyinka:
h t tps://youtu.be/LnMKzLVNyYg

The kid above has a problem. He enjoyed eating and he's not hurting anyone. But love is seeking treatment for him not justifying that it's normal to be abnormal!

The kid above has a problem. He enjoys over-eating and he's grossly looking unhealthy, hurting himself and ultimately everyone else at large

shadeyinka:
You are very wicked!

Someone like you, a wicked man, obey from fear, while a rigtheous man obey from love. To be reading and/or conversing with you, already is the beginning of wickedness, you're a very twisted and wicked person, smh.

shadeyinka:
Am I a psychiatrist who treats mental illnesses?
If they can't employ a qualified psychiatrist, let them seek for deliverance from a qualified Christian!

Both of them are successful in their own right, it doesn't make them mentally perfect.

I am asking you, just asI've previously asked you before shadeyinka:
1/ Do you think, for having same sex attraction, that Alan Turing and Leo Varadkar are SICK?
2/ If YES, to #1 above, what specifically is the sickness and/or evil, in them having mutual consented, enduring until death do part, faithful, monogamistic, not harming anyone, healthy same sex attraction, hmm?

shadeyinka:
This year, an autistic Nigerian child graduated from the university below the age of 12 (in USA or UK university)
The fact that we have some autistic geniuses does not make autism a "normal disorder!" Autism is a genetic disorder, it has no solution nor treatment. And, I don't know if you have met a "former autistic" person unlike homosexuality.

Its thanks to the likes of you we have the former xyz

Why didnt you answer kimco's question or who was it that asked, about whether you'll disown your child if he/she confides in you to being gay

MuttleyLaff:
Someone like you, a wicked man, obey from fear, while a rigtheous man obey from love. To be reading and/or conversing with you, already is the beginning of wickedness, you're a very twisted and wicked person, smh.

I am asking you, just asI've previously asked you before shadeyinka:
1/ Do you think, for having same sex attraction, that Alan Turing and Leo Varadkar are SICK?
2/ If YES, to #1 above, what specifically is the sickness and/or evil, in them having mutual consented, enduring until death do part, faithful, monogamistic, not harming anyone, healthy same sex attraction, hmm?

Its thanks to the likes of you we have the former xyz

Why didnt you answer kimco's question or who was it that asked, about whether you'll disown your child if he/she confides in you to being gay

Sorry my mistake!

I just discovered that some wild animals actually practice homosexuality. Therefore, it must be natural and all humans are hereby encouraged to begin to practice it.

Moreover, no one is hurt and the latest research actually show that the trait is genetic (even though they have not been able to place their hands on it)

Sorry for me takings such an ignorant stand against your trait of homosexuality. I am still wondering whether you are male-male or male-female or you are comfortable with both. I still wonder how it doesn't repulse you: but hey it's your orientation not mine.

Before long Insha Allah, Bestiality too shall be legalized. After all, no one is hurt and it makes the people happy.

Once again, I apologize for my rashness!

MuttleyLaff:
"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten."
- Ecclesiastes 9:5

The dead know nothing and a man in order to stay and remain alive, got to do what a man's got to do. Without you necessarily mountng on your higher moral ground, if you were to be found in similar circumstances, I bet my hypothetical third ball, you'll munch off those dead corpses in order to stay alive and stave off those painful and agonising hunger pangs

There are times when the exception to the rule kicks in

He would if and/or when he comes to self and his senses



Of course, if clinically certified sick, yeah will need help. Idiosyncrasy is a prerogative. Why should you want to deprive others the entitlement to their harmless, inoffensive, safe to themselves and others idiosyncrasies, hmm?

The kid above has a problem. He enjoys over-eating and he's grossly looking unhealthy, hurting himself and ultimately everyone else at large

The Truth is immutable!
A mentally sick man is sick whether you acknowledge it or not!

I forgot that I have apologized for opposing a life style of homosexuality.
My bad, everyone has the right to be insane: saying it as it is is hate speech! The mad man under the bridge in town is not mad: he only has a preference for not bathing and speaking endlessly to himself. He doesn't hurt anyone and he seems quite happy with himself.

shadeyinka:
Sorry my mistake!

Take the worthless sorry for your pitiful mistake self

shadeyinka:
I just discovered that some wild animals actually practice homosexuality. Therefore, it must be natural and all humans are hereby encouraged to begin to practice it.

Fyi, discover as well that domesticated animals and/or non wild animals like penguins, ducks, dogs etcetera practice homosexuality and that there is no homophobia in the animal kingdom.

shadeyinka:
Moreover, no one is hurt and the latest research actually show that the trait is genetic (even though they have not been able to place their hands on it)

Love is the most important thing in life. Commitment to someone who commits back and in return for life is a beautiful thing to behold.

shadeyinka:
Sorry for me takings such an ignorant stand against your trait of homosexuality. I am still wondering whether you are male-male or male-female or you are comfortable with both. I still wonder how it doesn't repulse you: but hey it's your orientation not mine

I still wonder how it doesn't repulse you when you prevaricate and avoid answering easy, simple, direct and straightforward questions put to you smh

shadeyinka:
Before long Insha Allah, Bestiality too shall be legalized. After all, no one is hurt and it makes the people happy.

The animal is hurt. The animal is not happy. The owner of the animal is hurt and not happy. You're not just twisted and wicked but you unsurprisingly are a liar as well, smh

shadeyinka:
Once again, I apologize for my rashness!

Smh, were you born this falsity, twisted and wicked? Or you had falsity, twistiness and wickedness thrust upon you ni?

Your apology is akin to a fart let out in a fan making factory production floor blown across the production line and transforming the serene air into something ungracious

shadeyinka:
The Truth is immutable!

What truth? Is it the one about loving the wrong person or the one, just not love anybody at all, hmm? Listen, if you look beyond the LIES, you'll see the truth. Remember that, just because you see it in black and white, it doesnt automatically make it a zebra. Dont be going on to proving that black is white and get self killed on the next zebra crossing. We know the truth, we know how words have been changed from their original meaning. We know about the invented truth and invented new word(s)

shadeyinka:
A mentally sick man is sick whether you acknowledge it or not!

Prejudice, indeed truly warps the mind.

shadeyinka:
I forgot that I have apologized for opposing a life style of homosexuality.

1/ What specifically is the sickness and/or evil, in a mutual consented, enduring until death do part, faithful, monogamistic, not harming anyone, healthy same sex attraction, that you're apologising for hmm?
2/ Why have you specifically opposed to a life style of mutual consented, enduring until death do part, faithful, monogamistic, not harming anyone, healthy homosexuality?
3/ Why didnt you answer kimco's question or who was it that asked, about whether you'll disown your child if he/she confides in you to being gay, hmm?

shadeyinka:
My bad, everyone has the right to be insane: saying it as it is is hate speech!

Everyone has the right to love a fellow human and be loved back in return by a consented human

While God only loves, forgives, and accepts, Satan only judges, accuses, and condemns. So then, when an unbeliever judges, accuses and condemns others, whose example is he/her following? Is he/her more like God or bad and more like Satan?

shadeyinka:
The mad man under the bridge in town is not mad: he only has a preference for not bathing and speaking endlessly to himself. He doesn't hurt anyone and he seems quite happy with himself.

A mad man hurts himself. A mad man is a danger to himself, which is why some mad are tied up and a chained

shadeyinka:

If the white man comes up with a theory that Kleptomaniacs are such because of their genetic makeup, would it would suddenly be an acceptable way of life?

If indeed homosexuality is a genetic disorder, how come without drugs or therapy, some revert back to normal heterosexual behaviours.

How about bestiality?
Is it also genetic?

This is brilliant.

shadeyinka:

The Truth is immutable!
A mentally sick man is sick whether you acknowledge it or not!

I forgot that I have apologized for opposing a life style of homosexuality.
My bad, everyone has the right to be insane: saying it as it is is hate speech! The mad man under the bridge in town is not mad: he only has a preference for not bathing and speaking endlessly to himself. He doesn't hurt anyone and he seems quite happy with himself.

I love this comic relief.

MuttleyLaff:
Take the worthless sorry for your pitiful mistake self

Fyi, discover as well that domesticated animals and/or non wild animals like penguins, ducks, dogs etcetera practice homosexuality and that there is no homophobia in the animal kingdom.

Love is the most important thing in life. Commitment to someone who commits back and in return for life is a beautiful thing to behold.

I still wonder how it doesn't repulse you when you prevaricate and avoid answering easy, simple, direct and straightforward questions put to you smh

The animal is hurt. The animal is not happy. The owner of the animal is hurt and not happy. You're not just twisted and wicked but you unsurprisingly are a liar as well, smh

Smh, were you born this falsity, twisted and wicked? Or you had falsity, twistiness and wickedness thrust upon you ni?

Your apology is akin to a fart let out in a fan making factory production floor blown across the production line and transforming the serene air into something ungracious

What truth? Is it the one about loving the wrong person or the one, just not love anybody at all, hmm? Listen, if you look beyond the LIES, you'll see the truth. Remember that, just because you see it in black and white, it doesnt automatically make it a zebra. Dont be going on to proving that black is white and get self killed on the next zebra crossing. We know the truth, we know how words have been changed from their original meaning. We know about the invented truth and invented new word(s)

Prejudice, indeed truly warps the mind.

1/ What specifically is the sickness and/or evil, in a mutual consented, enduring until death do part, faithful, monogamistic, not harming anyone, healthy same sex attraction, that you're apologising for hmm?
2/ Why have you specifically opposed to a life style of mutual consented, enduring until death do part, faithful, monogamistic, not harming anyone, healthy homosexuality?
3/ Why didnt you answer kimco's question or who was it that asked, about whether you'll disown your child if he/she confides in you to being gay, hmm?

Everyone has the right to love a fellow human and be loved back in return by a consented human

While God only loves, forgives, and accepts, Satan only judges, accuses, and condemns. So then, when an unbeliever judges, accuses and condemns others, whose example is he/her following? Is he/her more like God or bad and more like Satan?

A mad man hurts himself. A mad man is a danger to himself, which is why some mad are tied up and a chained

Have I not recanted!?
Why now!?

I have accented to your wish to be depraved with no bridle or constraints.

Animals don't put on clothes and they are happy. Why should I stop you from going berserk in the name of love? I am even considering becoming a vegetarian after your last post on animals not giving conscent. I don't know if you also eat beef and chicken? Let every animal give conscent before they are eaten.

And, you are correct. GOD IS LOVE and he actually doesn't punish ungodliness; he smiles at the evil people for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Prostitution is two conscenting adults having sex with payment involved. Conscentual, the prostitute gets money to take care of herself, the man recieves his orgasm, no one is hurt and God is very happy.!!

aadoiza:

This is brilliant.

Somebody is thieving and/or robbing others, taking what is not rightfully his/her and taking without the rightful owners' consent and you call that brilliant

Someone is causing poor animals distress, being unkind to animals and the animal owner and you call that brilliant.

shadeyinka:
Have I not recanted!?
Why now!?

I have accented to your wish to be depraved with no bridle or constraints.

Animals don't put on clothes and they are happy. Why should I stop you from going berserk in the name of love? I am even considering becoming a vegetarian after your last post on animals not giving conscent. I don't know if you also eat beef and chicken? Let every animal give conscent before they are eaten.

And, you are correct. GOD IS LOVE and he actually doesn't punish ungodliness; he smiles at the evil people for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Prostitution is two conscenting adults having sex with payment involved. Conscentual, the prostitute gets money to take care of herself, the man recieves his orgasm, no one is hurt and God is very happy.!!

You still haven't a clue that prostitution though two consenting adults is about infidelity. There is someone getting hurt in the loop somewhere.

What specifically is the ungodliness in two adult of the same sex loving each other for life, not being unkind to anyone, not harming anyone etcetera, hmm? Please tell

MuttleyLaff:
Somebody is thieving and/or robbing others, taking what is not rightfully his/her and taking without the rightful owners' consent and you call that brilliant

Someone is causing poor animals distress, being unkind to animals and the animal owner and you call that brilliant.

How is Shade doing any of these?