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Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by Youngzedd(m): 9:10am On Nov 10, 2019 |
AmuDimpka: I wish they can read this in all churches in Nigeria. This scripture is for both Pastors/Priest and church members. 2 Thessalonians 3:6-15 6 In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching[a] you received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8 nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9 We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.” 11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12 Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat. 13 And as for you, brothers and sisters, never tire of doing what is good. 14 Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. 15 Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer. |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by gabicon: 9:13am On Nov 10, 2019 |
We don't stop drinking water because people drown in water, so also we shouldn't stop giving because some clergy abuses his office. Sometimes we need to ask some questions, how did the missionaries bring the gospel, education, modern medicine etc to Africa? These things were done through people's tithe and offerings, or are we going to say it was wrong for the church to have financed missionaries through people's tithe and offerings? Let us face the big elephant in the room, there is corruption in the church, we are afraid to say it but it's the truth. We can't overemphasize the value of economies of scale, giving as an institution beats giving as an individual any day anytime, we can reach more people giving as a church, we can get better deals buying as a church etc. Giving offerings or tithe is not by force, it's by choice. Our giving has to be inspired by love not returns, most people believe giving is an heavenly lottery where they play a game with 1 kobo expecting to receive a million naira 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by oneclickng: 9:16am On Nov 10, 2019 |
Cumpel1615:read Hebrews 7:11-28, if you failed to understand...then go and buy sense. I think God faulted the laws of Moses, in which the priests (Levites) received tithes, then there was a change of priesthood, and the laws became useless 1 Like |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by Youngzedd(m): 9:17am On Nov 10, 2019 |
darol4real: I see where you're getting it wrong. You thought without tithe, there won't be enough money to run the ministry, so sad that's not true. Listen to someone who did it https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gazdm5FGh6obnjwlpZatlTgIZo5vvy6f/view?usp=drivesdk OR https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157859290191204&id=782091203 When you tell the people the truth and how important it is for believe to cultivate the habit of giving, you will discover that there will be enough for the church. See, people are getting wiser, the earlier you tell them the truth, the better, otherwise they will run away and call you a fake Pastor or Priest. Watch the video and remain blessed. |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by Youngzedd(m): 9:23am On Nov 10, 2019 |
Bennycollins: Acts 4:32-37 32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need. 36 Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”), 37 sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles’ feet. 1 Like |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by Youngzedd(m): 9:30am On Nov 10, 2019 |
Cumpel1615: Let it not come out from my mouth. Here is it below. Hebrews 7:18-19 18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. . Hebrews 7:12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. . Hebrew 8 vs 13 "By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear." Galatians 3 vs 10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Galatians 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!” |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by FirstNg1: 9:39am On Nov 10, 2019 |
unstoppable51: This just another attempt to deceive people to keep giving to the Church! How come you conveniently omitted the most important aspect of giving - which is giving to, and helping the poor and the needy - without ANY EXPECTATION OF REWARD? You keep giving to the church and the poor and the unemployed continue to increase - until Nigeria has become the poverty capital of the world! Jesus and all the Apostles served and glorified God by helping the poor and the needy. They healed them, fed them, raised their dead, etc - without demanding or expecting any material compensation in return under the guise of tithe, offerings, covenants, etc. Jesus held crusades without teaching or taking offerings, tithes etc. Instead, he not only fed the congregation, he gave them take-aways! Jesus specifically told Peter three (3) times: FEED AND TEND MY SHEEP! He also gave the parable of the good Samaritan, and then told the rich young man to sell all that he had acquired and give to the poor BEFORE he can follow Christ - all in order to teach us to help the needy - without expectation of reward; and not to make prosperity the main reason for living. In the First Church in Act Chapters 2 and 4, the disciples applied 100% of all the voluntary contributions to caring for the poor and the needy. Also, they did not lead as Masters or Bosses. THEY SERVED. Jesus also said "He who will lead among you, let him be the servant of all" and that LOVE IS THE IDENTITY OF A DISCIPLES. We a disciples of Jesus Christ because we love in obedience to the commandment of Christ. Is it that Jesus does not want us to be blessed? NO. IT IS BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY BLESSED WITH EVERYTHING, THROUGH THE FINISHED WORK OF JESUS CHRIST. We are co-heirs with Christ so everything that God has belong to us. We have been restored to dominion over God's creation (except other people of course) and HAVE NOW BEEN PREPARED FOR GOOD WORKS. WE ONLY NEED TO WALK ON IT! So every disciple of Jesus Christ will get every blessing whenever he/she is physically and spiritually matured, and disciplined/KNOWLEDGEABLE enough to handle/manage it - without harming himself and others. GOD DOES NOT REQUIRE PAYMENT FOR ANY BLESSING, that is diminishing God, the Almighty, to a pedestrian human product-salesman level; OR JUST AN ATTEMPT TO CREATE A GOD WHOM YOU CAN CONTROL!!! AS A DESCIPLE OF JESUS CHRIST, YOU SERVE AND GLORIFIED GOD BY LOVING AND SERVING/HELPING PEOPLE - ESPECIALLY THE POOR AND THE NEEDY, not some businessman running a church business! That is the example set by Jesus and the Apostles as clearly recorded in the New Testament. Jesus directed his disciples to: "Go ye into all the world, AND TEACH WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU". Jesus NEVER said teach the Old Testament or other doctrines and dogma! Have you asked yourself why many churches-goers and Church leaders are the opposite of the above? Jesus and the Apostles NEVER built a church structure or asked anyone to. The first church was built 325 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, by King/Emperor Constantine who quickly realised that it was a cheaper and more effective way to DOMINATE AND CONTROL PEOPLE AND THEIR ASSETS - than force of weapons, the law, etc. Others have followed his examples ever since - manipulating things and people to varying degrees - for their own gain - either money, power, control or relevance. Trust Nigerians to over-sabi, as long as there is a promise that some mystical power will handle all their life issues, rather than using their brains to create - just like most other races. For example, ships were travelling the seas far and wide even at the time of King Solomon and Apostle Paul travelled widely by ship but we still can't construct a basic Nigerian ship to travel a short distance from Marina to Apapa, Lagos, in 2019! Similarly, I'm yet to hear of a church who can produce a single microphone or drum, which they constantly use your money to buy from foreign countries - enriching those countries and pauperising you, while thousands of Engineers fill their churches!!! Nigerians, THINK!!! The earlier you free yourself from the captivity of church doctrines, the healthier your relationship with God, man and yourself will be. Shalom 2 Likes |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by Randy111(m): 9:42am On Nov 10, 2019 |
Imagine 1000 for us as church members with a salary of 100k each now giving 10k to pastor. We that are working will be going home with 90k while pastor that is not working will be taking home 10 million naira monthly. God forbid. God never admonished us to be religiously foolish. If u are foolish it is because you choose to be. 2 Likes |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by Odunharry(m): 9:48am On Nov 10, 2019 |
Peterosky:Mhen that's really bad oo. |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by vineyardfarms: 10:25am On Nov 10, 2019 |
SIR, IS IT BIBLICAL FOR A CHURCH TO PRINT TITHE CARD ![]() ![]() |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by Cumpel1615: 11:26am On Nov 10, 2019 |
Youngzedd:this verses just buttresses the point that tithing is old school. Watch out some people will still tell you that you are quoting out of context. Lol |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by fortunez1(m): 11:42am On Nov 10, 2019 |
Thanks for the message. So enlightening 1 Like |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by dikeigbo2(m): 1:39pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
only these are only taken from old testament because it involved money....while abandoned sabbat days
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Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by Bennycollins: 6:45pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
Hahaha. Just imagine it, 10% of your earnings that you are paying as tithe, some ppl are criticising that it is cheating, what would happen if ppl start selling their possesessions and turning the proceeds to the church to then start fending for them. Youngzedd: |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by nemadfsyahooc: 7:29pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
darol4real:Then why didn't Jesus obey his father by paying tithe and encourage his followers to do same. No where in News testament that shows that Jesus laid emphasis on tithing If it were truely as you said. He would have amplified it and make it compulsory for his disciples to pay tithe. 1 Like |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by whizbee(m): 8:00pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
darol4real: If Jesus didn't go against his father, why should we go against him, you're contradicting yourself sir... |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by lookingfly: 8:02pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
Me de my Lane jejely......I don't ask people if they pay tithe so don't ask me if i pay! |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by Youngzedd(m): 8:09pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
Bennycollins: You don't even get the message well. UNDERSTANDING TITHING Read >> https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2380459938838755&id=100006243157247 Hebrews 7:18-19 18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. . Hebrews 7:12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. . Hebrew 8 vs 13 "By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear." Galatians 3 vs 10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Galatians 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!” Remain blessed. |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by lookingfly: 9:02pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
Peterosky:nice 1 bro..... That was how in today's service, my pastor sounded a warning to corpers that they'll no more be fine pop gifts if they don't pay their tithes and I just shook my head in shame in church. During my service year, i could remember i paid just twice or so because i know it's not a force thing and no body should force anyone to pay. 2 Likes |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by betahytumera: 12:36pm On Nov 11, 2019 |
lookingfly:nicee 1 Like |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by blueAgent(m): 3:42am On Nov 12, 2019 |
hopefulLandlord: Clown, he owns the whole World and you, so he lacks nothing. Psalm 24:1 The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by blueAgent(m): 3:43am On Nov 12, 2019 |
AmuDimpka: Lie, |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by blueAgent(m): 3:48am On Nov 12, 2019 |
oneclickng: You are wrong God did not do away with tithes and offerings. Matthew 23:23 A curse is on you, scribes and Pharisees, false ones! for you make men give a tenth of all sorts of sweet-smelling plants, but you give no thought to the more important things of the law, righteousness, and mercy, and faith; but it is right for you to do these, and not to let the others be undone. Mark 12:41-44 And he took a seat by the place where the money was kept, and saw how the people put money into the boxes: and a number who had wealth put in much. And there came a poor widow, and she put in two little bits of money, which make a farthing. And he made his disciples come to him, and said to them, Truly I say to you, This poor widow has put in more than all those who are putting money into the box: Because they all put in something out of what they had no need for; but she out of her need put in all she had, even all her living. Luke 6:38 Give, and it will be given to you; good measure, crushed down, full and running over, they will give to you. For in the same measure as you give, it will be given to you again. Luke 11:42 But a curse is on you, Pharisees! for you make men give a tenth of every sort of plant, and give no thought to right and the love of God; but it is right for you to do these things, and not let the others be undone. 1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of the week, let every one of you put by him in store, in measure as he has done well in business, so that it may not be necessary to get money together when I come. 2 Corinthians 8:2-3 How while they were undergoing every sort of trouble, and were in the greatest need, they took all the greater joy in being able to give freely to the needs of others. For I give them witness, that as they were able, and even more than they were able, they gave from the impulse of their hearts 1 Timothy 6:6-8 But true faith, with peace of mind, is of great profit: For we came into the world with nothing, and we are not able to take anything out; But if we have food and a roof over us, let that be enough. Hebrews 7:1-2 For this Melchizedek, the king of Salem, a priest of the Most High God, who gave Abraham his blessing, meeting him when he came back after putting the kings to death, And to whom Abraham gave a tenth part of everything which he had, being first named King of righteousness, and then in addition, King of Salem, that is to say, King of peace; |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by AmuDimpka: 6:30am On Nov 12, 2019 |
blueAgent:prove me lie....show the world where Jesus paid tithes , where he collected tithes , where tbe apostle aoud or collected ...show the world where present Israelis pay tithes or collect...abi na your God? We worship God of isreal! Okay show us where we have Levi today that are collecting tithes or are your con men pastors now from tribes of Levi Show the world or shit the fūck up |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by blueAgent(m): 8:41pm On Nov 12, 2019 |
AmuDimpka: The problem is that most of you just rush into a matter or topic without knowing or carrying out adequate research on the topic. If this Bible verses cannot speak to you than know that you have a acute case of brain fatigue. Matthew 23:23 A curse is on you, scribes and Pharisees, false ones! for you make men give a tenth of all sorts of sweet-smelling plants, but you give no thought to the more important things of the law, righteousness, and mercy, and faith; but it is right for you to do these, and not to let the others be undone. Mark 12:41-44 And he took a seat by the place where the money was kept, and saw how the people put money into the boxes: and a number who had wealth put in much. And there came a poor widow, and she put in two little bits of money, which make a farthing. And he made his disciples come to him, and said to them, Truly I say to you, This poor widow has put in more than all those who are putting money into the box: Because they all put in something out of what they had no need for; but she out of her need put in all she had, even all her living. Luke 6:38 Give, and it will be given to you; good measure, crushed down, full and running over, they will give to you. For in the same measure as you give, it will be given to you again. Luke 11:42 But a curse is on you, Pharisees! for you make men give a tenth of every sort of plant, and give no thought to right and the love of God; but it is right for you to do these things, and not let the others be undone. 1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of the week, let every one of you put by him in store, in measure as he has done well in business, so that it may not be necessary to get money together when I come. 2 Corinthians 8:2-3 How while they were undergoing every sort of trouble, and were in the greatest need, they took all the greater joy in being able to give freely to the needs of others. For I give them witness, that as they were able, and even more than they were able, they gave from the impulse of their hearts 1 Timothy 6:6-8 But true faith, with peace of mind, is of great profit: For we came into the world with nothing, and we are not able to take anything out; But if we have food and a roof over us, let that be enough. Hebrews 7:1-2 For this Melchizedek, the king of Salem, a priest of the Most High God, who gave Abraham his blessing, meeting him when he came back after putting the kings to death, And to whom Abraham gave a tenth part of everything which he had, being first named King of righteousness, and then in addition, King of Salem, that is to say, King of peace; |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by AmuDimpka: 6:13am On Nov 13, 2019 |
blueAgent: That is exactly the problem with you guys...the first verse, I said it that Jesus even condemned tithes and said that they even pay without doing the weightier matter Now all other verses you posted are just not related and they never said tithes specifically or are you working based on assumption Oga pastor and scam artist ...tell us where Jesus said pay tithes or where he instructed people or apostles go pay one...or where he reiceved because Jesus is a priest in the order of Melchizedek of old though from tube of Judah he isn't and wouldn't and because it is Levi's that take it.. Are you Levites... A fúcking Gentile like you. Even the isreal of today don't even pay tithe ..it is their God that you are worshipping why black man carry this for head like gala .. Nawa ...well Na the mugu una go dicieve...not me |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by blueAgent(m): 8:41pm On Nov 13, 2019 |
AmuDimpka: Matthew 23:23 A curse is on you, scribes and Pharisees, false ones! for you make men give a tenth of all sorts of sweet-smelling plants, but you give no thought to the more important things of the law, righteousness, and mercy, and faith; but it is right for you to do these, and not to let the others be undone. From the above Bible verse we can see that Jesus did not condemned tithe but he instructed the Pharisees to also pay their tithe as well as show mercy and faith with righteousness. It's obvious your head cannot comprehend the word of God(Bible) so it is better you shut up rather than rant on issues you can barely comprehend. Your stupidity would not let you to know that Jesus was the Melchizedek Abraham paid tithe to. For your information am not a pastor neither do I receive tithe or offering from anyone. Rather than boast and bark like one that has no sense why not calm down and re-read this Bible verses as they expose your naivety. If you cannot find the answer to your question in this Bible verses than you cannot understand anything in your life. Luke 6:38 Give, and it will be given to you; good measure, crushed down, full and running over, they will give to you. For in the same measure as you give, it will be given to you again. Luke 11:42 But a curse is on you, Pharisees! for you make men give a tenth of every sort of plant, and give no thought to right and the love of God; but it is right for you to do these things, and not let the others be undone. 1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of the week, let every one of you put by him in store, in measure as he has done well in business, so that it may not be necessary to get money together when I come. 2 Corinthians 8:2-3 How while they were undergoing every sort of trouble, and were in the greatest need, they took all the greater joy in being able to give freely to the needs of others. For I give them witness, that as they were able, and even more than they were able, they gave from the impulse of their hearts 1 Timothy 6:6-8 But true faith, with peace of mind, is of great profit: For we came into the world with nothing, and we are not able to take anything out; But if we have food and a roof over us, let that be enough. Hebrews 7:1-2 For this Melchizedek, the king of Salem, a priest of the Most High God, who gave Abraham his blessing, meeting him when he came back after putting the kings to death, And to whom Abraham gave a tenth part of everything which he had, being first named King of righteousness, and then in addition, King of Salem, that is to say, King of peace; |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Offerings, Firstfruits & Partnerships - Giving The Right Way by Nobody: 10:56am On Apr 20, 2020 |
Keep quiet my friend AmuDimpka: |
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