Siena:

David, I too lived in Nigeria, and I'm speaking from what I've witnessed personally, not just video clips. Everyone's entitled to pass opinion based on what they've seen. Your own experiences in Nigeria may not mirror mine.

Yes, in the US, Ufuoma would have been arrested, slung in a cell to cool her heels. But I doubt the altercation that led to the whole sorry fiasco, would have taken place in the States. The NPF have a lot to learn, in terms of Public Relations, as well as being Law Enforcement Officers.

Kobojunkie:


But let's assume for one minute that this happened here i the United states(there are some reported cases of police brutality out there), would it make sense for ANYONE to act out in such a manner as this lady though? What do we know that has happened in the past to those who launched into a tirade of some sort when attacked by 'dirty' policemen even here in America? I think that is the question that has yet been answered here.

fstranger:

Why don't you stay on point with the focus of the topic. This is not America! THIS IS NAIJA, OUR OWN NIGERIA. Americans are pussies, let them do whatever they want. As far as I am concerned, she did the right thing, given the circumstance.

fstranger:

^^ The problem here is with you, who, despite calls to end this argument, have continued to run your mouth senselessly and out of point. It is time you called it a day and go make some money. It is obvious to everyone, but you, that your naive POV is both idiotic and impracticable. So it is time you stop posting on this thread for courtesy sake, before you are disgracefully kicked-off of it.

A word is enough for the wise

Kobojunkie:

If you have nothing to offer in this, it is ok to sign off at this point and let those who have a better understanding of how things work continue with the conversation.

silentc:

We only saw an edited video which was recorded by someone who was most likely from the politician's entourage. Also her phone was taken from her, so we cant see this story from her point of view.

Also we saw video of the woman shouting and we assumed she was shouting and screaming from start to finish in the whole saga? Was she shouting before she was beaten and manhandled? I don't think so. She started screaming after being beaten etc. The police can restrain and handcuff anyone who they want to arrest. Why wasn't she handcuffed and arrested?

Do we weigh up a scenario in which the police or anyone beats up a woman versus a woman screaming and shouting after being beaten and conclude that the woman screaming is more of an issue to discuss?

One thing I know about life is that experience changes views/opinions. Just because you have never experienced this doesn't mean other people do not experience it on a daily basis.

silentc:

We only saw an edited video which was recorded by someone who was most likely from the politician's entourage. Also her phone was taken from her, so we cant see this story from her point of view.

Also we saw video of the woman shouting and we assumed she was shouting and screaming from start to finish in the whole saga? Was she shouting before she was beaten and manhandled? I don't think so. She started screaming after being beaten etc. The police can restrain and handcuff anyone who they want to arrest. Why wasn't she handcuffed and arrested?

Do we weigh up a scenario in which the police or anyone beats up a woman versus a woman screaming and shouting after being beaten and conclude that the woman screaming is more of an issue to discuss?

One thing I know about life is that experience changes views/opinions. Just because you have never experienced this doesn't mean other people do not experience it on a daily basis.

Kobojunkie:

But therein lies the problem with your argument so far. You never saw this woman actually assaulted in anyway . . . you never saw her phone taken from her, how can you then claim to understand her point of view? For all we know she has probably has no clue that the official whose motorcade she ran into, was against the law. How can you claim, without actually witnessing the claimed assault or taking of her property, that she was courageous. How can you link A to B? All you saw as well was the video of a woman screaming and threatening at the top of her lungs. So  again, why would you say that is acceptable behavior?

silentc:

I guess you saw a "wild agbero woman" in her screaming, I saw a woman who was expressing herself after being assaulted in the only way she knows. Like i summarized in my last post, our different experiences in life has allowed us to arrive at different opinions from the same situation.

Also I never personally said she was courageous. I said I understand her behaviour and wont judge he for it. There is a difference.

silentc:

Fair point Tensor

But like i mentioned to Kobojunkie, it is all contextual and based on what I saw and the context I made a conclusion that she was beaten up.

Is the argument that she wasn't or she was screaming after being beaten up?

silentc:

Fair point Tensor

But like i mentioned to Kobojunkie, it is all contextual and based on what I saw and the context I made a conclusion that she was beaten up.

Is the argument that she wasn't or she was screaming after being beaten up?

silentc:

My summary of this whole conversation is that our experiences define our views in life. This is my personal opinion.

What point are you trying to make here?

silentc:

You don't agree with her shouting and screaming. What does that have anything to do with whether or not I saw the assault?

silentc:

Let us stick to the basis of our viewpoints. It is all deduction based on context. If (and i stress that this is for illustrative purposes) you walked into a room and a 5 year old turns around quickly and puts his hand behind him. Would you suspect that this kid is trying to hide something from you? Do you to see evidence to agree he has been up to no good? It is all contextual. Based on what I saw and what she was screaming about, I put the context together to form an opinion.

silentc:

I guess you saw a "wild agbero woman" in her screaming, I saw a woman who was expressing herself after being assaulted in the only way she knows. Like i summarized in my last post, our different experiences in life has allowed us to arrive at different opinions from the same situation.

carnal:

I have taken my time to read the responses of almost everyone on these thread, i want to say specifically dat we all hv a point in one way or the other,personally i was kn for sure is dat ufuoma's outrage will not work in a society where law and order functions[b] but in 9ja her attitude will work [/b] (thou am not in support of her outrage) but without dis outrage definately her story could hv been swept under.can we take our minds back to d issue of d naval officer who beat up a gurl on d island and even

carnal:

I have taken my time to read the responses of almost everyone on these thread, i want to say specifically dat we all hv a point in one way or the other,personally i was tempted to draw a conclusion last week but something held me back to actually dig further and see her so called side of the story alas silverbird tv helped out last nite,silverbirdtv was able to prove to its viewes on its 7p.m news bulletin that the video makin the rounds from the lagos speaker end was doctored,according to ufuoma's lawyer they had a chap who recorded d incident for as much 49mins(still searching the web for d video) both video were played side by side by silverbird and that way i drew my conclusion,she was actually beaten infact the while the second tape was rolling i saw instances where the security details attached to d speaker chased other ppl who had their cameras rolling,d second recordin was way different from wat we hv been seein around.ufuoma's lawyer told silverbirdtv dat de have about 12 witnesses who are ready to testify in court against d speaker,who had different recordin btw point A and point B.
one thing i kn for sure is dat ufuoma's outrage will not work in a society where law and order functions but in 9ja her attitude will work (thou am not in support of her outrage) but without dis outrage definately her story could hv been swept under.can we take our minds back to d issue of d naval officer who beat up a gurl on d island and even strip her unclothed(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-191814.96.html)?dat stori came to light jus because someone did a good recording and got it on CNN i-report,will any of us feel better if our loved once gets beaten in dis manner and even striped unclothed lik d naval rating case?let us cast our mind back again to anoda naval rating who also beat up a guy in portharcourt (http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art201010281531931)
let us endeavour to find out the other side of such stories in the future b4 drawing conclusion and in whatever we do let us try as much as possible to avoid such drama with any the nigeria security agencies. this is my take.

ziddy:

^^
Her attitude worked for her because she's a celebrity that's all. And she knew it, that's why she had so much confidence & made so much noise. If the Supol had not recognized her as a popular face the police would most definitely have framed her as being the wrong party, they would have made her repair the police vehicle that damaged her jeep, after all the humiliation, lol. Or at best they just arrogantly drive off and leave her feeling less than a human being. Nigeria is a Vision of Hell

londoner:

If the video was not doctored what happened at 57 seconds into the tape? A car can not go from the road to being over a gutter on its own. If the vid was not edited we would have seen how the car got there, would we not?

Was that the case from a few seconds into the recording ?

The answer is NO.

They beat that woman I believe, she was shouting because they crashed into her car, then they beat her and took her phone, simple.

londoner:

@Tensor, look at the video again. HOW DID HER CAR GET FROM WHERE IT WAS FROM 2 SECONDS IN TO WHERE IT ENDED UP AT 57 SECONDS?


MORE IMPORTANTLY IF THE VIDEO WAS NOT EDITED HOW COME IT IS NOT SHOWN ON THE VID?

My point is that what was esited out was the beating and the stealing of the phone, simple. If that is what you mean by "dealt with" then we are saying the same thing.

londoner:

@Tensor, look at the video again. HOW DID HER CAR GET FROM WHERE IT WAS FROM 2 SECONDS IN TO WHERE IT ENDED UP AT 57 SECONDS?
MORE IMPORTANTLY IF THE VIDEO WAS NOT EDITED HOW COME IT IS NOT SHOWN ON THE VID?
My point is that what was esited out was the beating and the stealing of the phone, simple. If that is what you mean by "dealt with" then we are saying the same thing.

londoner:

Oh I see what most are saying here, because she was shouting and screaming it was right for her to be beaten, sorry "dealt with" and her phone stolen, sorry "confiscated".

Its a reflection of the low standards of the Nigerian police, they simply did not want to have on camera them beating her and stealing her phone, simple.