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Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by SapeleGuy: 11:20pm On Nov 20, 2010 |
ezeagu: The truth is bitter but I make you right. I think you have delivered a technical knockout |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by jmaine: 12:05am On Nov 21, 2010 |
tensor777: You need to do better than this to impress. What the heck has this gotten to do with effectively handling the waste (all the present storage facilities are temporal measures and the debate of having a natural nuclear waste repository site never ends on a positive note).I see your just bent on letting us know the mechanism behind a nuclear reactor but you all have still not come to terms that we are not at the stage to start grappling with the headache of nuclear waste. If reading is one of your strong point you should be able to overcome this simple hurdle but am scared you will still disappoint .nothing personal bro, just the plain truth. educate yourself with this link and lets see how you will fare after this http://www.sea-us.org.au/wastenot.html |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by Nobody: 4:26am On Nov 21, 2010 |
^^^Just do not mind this tensor Guy, he or she is just lifting post or some web material and pasting it here in an attempt to sound familiar with Nuclear Tech. If he actually understands the energy potential of Nuclear fission, and that the energy output in case of an accident is not limited to the design value, I do not think we would be having these arguments. Whats the use of wasting my time with such a human being? By the way while I was reading some post on nuclear waste, I started to think of how best to dispose such waste. The only natural nuclear reactor is the sun. If we can find a way to send wastes to the sun using unmanned vehicles. The waste and the vehicle will definitely heat-up and vaporise before getting to the sun, but I believe if they had already acquired momentum, the gas will keep heading in the direction of the Sun. but some things are doubtful though: the first is that if solar wind (particle and photon radiations) are very strong near the sun they may reverse the momentum of the hurtling gas, but again the Suns gravity might compensate for that. The second is the long term loss of mass to the earth which can affect her orbit pattern, but we might compensate by picking up equal mass of materials from other planets. The third is that I doubt if the sun is actually stationary, hence may not be approached in a straight line |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by trueword: 6:22am On Nov 21, 2010 |
For those petitioning for nuclear plant make sure you agitate that they put it next to your village since you are not worried . |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by malabite: 9:14am On Nov 21, 2010 |
tensor777: 1. Firstly, I'm not from the Niger Delta. You can check my previous contributions on other topics to have an idea of my state of origin 2. Even if I'm from the Niger Delta, I expect you to address the issue I raised not attacking Niger Delta or militant whatever 3. I made mention of gas flaring. Is it right or wrong to flair gas that can be used to solve Nigerian's power/electricity problem? (can also be sold to earn revenue) 4. Nigeria has never relied on hydrocarbon, gas, or whatever to generate electricity. It is just content with the little electricity available 5. You said storage of nuclear waste is not a problem for Nigeria because other countries don't see it as problem. Just bear in mind that those countries do not see electricity generation as a problem in the first place, even without the nuclear stuff 6. Have you asked if those countries see roads, healthcare, policing and housing as a problem? 7. I made mention of people around Jos, who are at risk from radioactive materials from disused mines. Please don't see me as a Jos militant, see me a someone who thinks our government as at today can't handle little things, so should not try handling big ones 8. Just a month ago, there was volcanic eruption in Benue state. Read up or ask people whether the government paid urgent attention to people who were affected by the eruption 9. Those countries you are thinking of, could easily evacuate people if there is nuclear incidence. Can Nigerian government do so? 10. Think of how many people have died from fire at leaking pipeline or broken-down tankers on Nigerian roads, while scooping petrol. THose countries dont have fuel queues at service stations 11. If you drive on Nigerian roads, people who die are left to rot and smell by the roadside, government and its agencies dont care. It doesnt happen in those countries 12. Nuclear energy is good, it could be the best. But just like someone mentioned earlier on this topic, it's like an exclusive luxury car, you don't buy it because you saw someone riding it in Japan. You have to take several factors into consideration, does a simple mercedes solve the problem, does Nigeria have suitable roads, are there qualified mechanics to fix it when it breaks down, will other roads users understand that it is a car and not something from the moon, etc? 13. I know we are discussing informally on this forum, but it's worth showing respect to other users. It's just an advice |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by malabite: 9:24am On Nov 21, 2010 |
It was about 7 years ago in Lagos that Nigerian own military barack recorded many deaths from careless handling of ammunitions. Children, parents, friends, visitors, etc all died or got maimed in their numbers. |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by DapoBear(m): 9:37am On Nov 21, 2010 |
trueword: Safety is not an issue; I'd have no problems with one near my own village (though I'd prefer if it were American or French made rather than Russian.) My own beef with nuclear power plants is not safety, but cost, and relevance given that we have an abundance of things like hydroelectric power, natural gas, etc. |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by Nobody: 10:35am On Nov 21, 2010 |
DapoBear: SAFETY is always an issue with any POWER-DRIVEN infrastructure from Motorcycles to Airplanes, DAMS and Nuclear Plants, it is always on the forefront of any Nuclear endeavor, While I fully support the proposed or planned or imagined engagement of Russia to assist in building Nuclear power plants in Nigeria, we also need to be fully prepared in other aspects such as Training/Technology Transfer, Maintenance, Disposal and SAFETY, we cannot say that Nigeria will never experience any sort of reactor breach or accidental discharge of nuclear waste or radio-active material, We never saw our dear NIGCOMSAT crashing out of the sky did we, neither did we foresee the level of damage the Floods from the OWAN dam did recently to hundreds of communities in its path. (otherwise we would have prepared an adequate Emergency Response Initiative). It is not out of negativism, "unpatriotism" or journalistic sabotage that some nairalanders post here, Nigeria's record on Security, Maintenance, Safety and sheer Political will to see such projects to fruition and sustain it is sadly wanting Let there be light The president is launching Africa’s most ambitious privatisation scheme shortly before facing a tight election http://www.economist.com/node/17312103 Electricity in Nigeria |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by DapoBear(m): 11:34am On Nov 21, 2010 |
^-- Fair enough, nothing in life or on earth is absolutely 100% safe, everything has some level of risk associated with it. But I feel the percentage for nuclear power generation is extremely high, and so view it as an acceptable risk. With that said, I don't necessarily think this is appropriate for Nigeria at this point in time. |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by aljharem(m): 11:50am On Nov 21, 2010 |
people this is a shot at constant electricity which we all have been clamouring for i notices that the location was not put down because from 2003 the south west have said they do not want it about the same time the igbo leaders said that nuclear reactors should not be in the south region were the economy is now my question:::::::::: should a nuclear reactor be in the north or middlebelt were it is atleast 20 degrees hotter that a typical southern state most of u do not know how a reactor works the best location is cross river or port harcount, because there are near riverran areas were if it is too hot, it can be cooled down if it is not in those states mention above, then i think we are not ready for constant electricity yet i think we should just stick to the safer forms of electricity for now so as not to cause fight between ourselves |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by jmaine: 12:51pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
alj harem: Why are we not utilizing the huge gas reserve, are we that wasteful . with that we should have no complains absolutely. Nuclear is just luxury bro, just another good add on. |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by blakmonsta: 1:02pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
@jmaine Using gas does not mean you should not use nuclear. It is not either-or. You can use the gas NOW, then use the nuclear later. gas: pros: readily available currently being wasted use of gas will reduce environmental damage due to gas flaring cons: still damages the environment even when used properly total reserves are not known: finite supply lower efficiency during conversion than nuclear. Nuclear pros: Most efficient, cleanest power source currently known to mankind almost limitless reserves of power cons: high tech, with low local skillbase high cost to conform with international safety guidelines As for your questions on storage of nuclear waste I told you to go and google. You obviously did not do this. Disposal of nuclear waste is an international issue, you cannot go live on a nuclear plant until you fulfil all regulations. As Kengali said, the powers that be will NOT allow you to keep your nuclear waste because you could create weapons that way. So dont worry! The world has that covered. Really, people. I dont see why you are still arguing. If Nigeria wants to make progress, let her, and save yourself from this colonial mentality of 'we are all stupid monkeys and can never do anything right'. Really, people! Hopefully the next generation is free from this ridiculous inferiority complex. |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by Mobinga: 2:13pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
Nuclear? Why not Anti-Matter? Useless people |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by Nobody: 4:06pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
KenGali:KENGALI SVENGALI you are just bringing up random issues to cover up your lack of substantive knowledge of the nuclear power industry. In any case you seem to have this fixed idea that the FGN would run these 1000 MW reactors. Where in the world did you get the idea from? It has to be a strictly private sector investment which should mean total deregulation of the power generation and transmission industry. Any such reactors built and operated in Nigeria would STILL have to conform to the very strict design and operational safety standards laid down by the IAEA. |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by Nobody: 4:17pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
DapoBear:That is a red herring laid out. The guy is just scaremongering. In fact it is a VERY VERY appropriate technology to use in a developing economy like Nigeria that is considering deregulation of the power industry. Why so? Because it is actually a very cheap form of energy with a 1000 MW energy output generated for 300 MW input. Other forms mentioned could be very expensive. It is the fission itself that releases most of the energy. |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by DapoBear(m): 4:19pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
^-- Why not explore our vast natural gas reserves or hydroelectric first for power generation? I've noticed that the countries with significant natural resources by and large are less interested in nuclear power. Otoh, France which doesn't have much in the way of natural resources generates 80%+ of its electricity from nuclear power (iirc, correct me if I'm wrong.) You'd need to do a cost-benefit analysis, but I suspect natural gas or the like would win. |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by aljharem(m): 4:27pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
DapoBear: dapo gbammm why should we use nuclear reactor when we know the disadvantages 1.) it has to be built in the south of nigeria because of the cooler climate 2.) this cause fight between the north and the south 3.) why not use gas which is been burnt away in gas flaring 4.) are they no safer type of producing electricity because we have at less 15 rivers in nigeria 5.) the government do not have common sense to handle a nuclear meltdown 6.) if a military government gets into power, he may start developing nuclear weapon, we is distaster for and african militray dictator |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by Nobody: 4:41pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
alj harem:Look here Harem just go to the tribalist section if you have nothing senible to contribute other than these ludicrous theories. If you want to talk tribal or sectional politics which is your specialty why not open a thread for that? |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by aljharem(m): 4:42pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
tensor777: what are u talking about? did u read the post at all |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by Nobody: 4:48pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
DapoBear:I does not matter the form of energy used as long as it is cheap. In any case this thing MUST NOT AND CANNOT BE a government run project. It should be a strictly private sector investment and hence like any other investment a cost benefit appraisal and cash flow statements would have to be produce beforehand to justify such expenditure However there has to be total deregulation of the power industry for the private sector to contemplate such an investment. |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by Nobody: 4:52pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
alj harem:You are posting in the wrong section here. Why do you feel the need to contribute to such development topics anyway given your destructive hate mongering? |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by DapoBear(m): 4:56pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
tensor777: Agree with you 100%. |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by blackcypha(m): 4:58pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
nuclear or not WE NEED POWER!WTF? |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by aljharem(m): 4:58pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
tensor777: sorry i would like to know how it is hate alj harem: |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by Horus(m): 5:06pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
Nigerians have the right to create an anti-nuclear movement to prevent nuclear power plants from being constructed in their backyard. |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by DapoBear(m): 5:08pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
I want nuclear power plants in my own state (assuming it is economically competitive with other choices for power, something I suspect will not be true.) If you don't want one in yours, fine and well. |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by Nobody: 5:29pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
DapoBear:You do have a very subtle point there as these facilities are invariably located in remote rural areas and do have a very positive impact on the local economy. |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by SapeleGuy: 7:15pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
tensor777: LOL - It did wonders for the economy of Chernobyl - the world couldn't get enough of their radioactive chickens, cows and other agricultural products that glowed in the dark. My dear fellow, there was nothing subtle or positive or economically beneficial about the cancer, leukaemia, birth defects and the other diseases that the explosion brought the people of Chernobyl. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/04/0426_040426_chernobyl.html |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by DapoBear(m): 7:37pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
^-- Part of the reason I'd prefer a US or French make Nuclear Power Plant to a Russian one Safety standards are higher in the former two countries than the latter. Russia is like Nigeria, in some respects. Life is very cheap |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by Nobody: 7:39pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
SapeleGuy:^^You just like scaremongering. Chernobyl was all of 24 years ago and occured with a type of reactor that no longer exists in a country that no longer exists! However there are 400 nuclear reactors in the world and they generate all of 17% of the world's electricity!!!. It looks like the way to go. |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by Nobody: 7:44pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
DapoBear:Don't kid yourself there . It is NOW mandatory for[b] ALL[/b] signatories to the IAEA treaty to the stipulated rigourous safety standards and to submit to regular inspections, |
Re: Russia To Construct Nigeria’s Nuclear Power Plants by SapeleGuy: 7:59pm On Nov 21, 2010 |
tensor777: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_accident Since Chernobyl, there have been 57 accidents. I am sure the people of Abuja now feel a lot safer about their nuclear facility because you have said it is safe. |
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