Endy10:


I reiterate again, aggression is not a good trait in a dog. Since you are so bent on using dictionary definition, some dictionary term it "the act of 'initiating' hostilities or invasion". Those words are not words you'd use to describe a dog in control.

Again an aggressive dog is a dog with a short fuse. An aggressive dog does not know the difference between friend and foe even when the handler tells it. The dogs handled by professional trainers would allow a person they just chase and brought down pet them if the handler commands it. An aggressive dog will never do this.

Why do you think the temperament of a K9 is one of the qualities checked before said dog is allowed to undergo training? It is very key! An aggressive dog is a loose cannon in a mission.

We have normalized the term "aggression" especially in this part of the world to mean a dog that is either a good guard or watch dog that we have forgotten what the real meaning is.

Again I will say, an aggressive dog is a dog that does heed to command well. It is a dog that will attack and keep attacking even if it's owner attempt to call it back.

What you are calling aggression is called "work quality" in a dog. Again I urge you to read Phunkypalace threads about working quality in a dog. I also urge you to take time and witness where dogs go through their rigourous guard training and see how gentle those dogs can be. An aggressive dog will never be that calm.

I hope one day, with enough circulation of information like this, people will get to understand that their dogs can be great guard dogs without being aggressive and a danger to people.

my point is very clear, even the way you defined aggression still shows what you're saying is wrong but I don't think you're getting it.

okay describe how those well trained guard dogs you are talking about ward off intruders

Endy10:


Again an aggressive dog is a dog with a short fuse. An aggressive dog does not know the difference between friend and foe even when the handler tells it. The dogs handled by professional trainers would allow a person they just chase and brought down pet them if the handler commands it. An aggressive dog will never do this.

Why do you think the temperament of a K9 is one of the qualities checked before said dog is allowed to undergo training? It is very key! An aggressive dog is a loose cannon in a mission.

We have normalized the term "aggression" especially in this part of the world to mean a dog that is either a good guard or watch dog that we have forgotten what the real meaning is.

Again I will say, an aggressive dog is a dog that does heed to command well. It is a dog that will attack and keep attacking even if it's owner attempt to call it back.

What you are calling aggression is called "work quality" in a dog. Again I urge you to read Phunkypalace threads about working quality in a dog. I also urge you to take time and witness where dogs go through their rigourous guard training and see how gentle those dogs can be. An aggressive dog will never be that calm.

I hope one day, with enough circulation of information like this, people will get to understand that their dogs can be great guard dogs without being aggressive and a danger to people.

all these definitions you're giving are wrong, you're the one that doesn't know the meaning of aggression, which one is "work quality" again?
any dog that can attack or that barks at people or even growls is an aggressive dog, that is the dictionary definition of aggression, all these ones you're adding are your own wrong misconceptions.
an aggressive dog can be well trained or untrained, an aggressive dog can either be reckless or well balanced.
as far as the dog is violent or willing to be violent it is an aggressive dog, you cannot say you trained a dog to attack on command and say the dog isn't aggressive, attacking is violence whether you can call the dog off or not it is still violence which makes the dog an aggressive dog.
let phunkypalace train a Newfoundland dog to attack on command let's see if it'll work, let him also train a Rottweiler and see which dog will respond faster.
you know the trait that'll enable the Rottweiler learn faster? AGGRESSION, the Newfoundland is not a violent dog and it isn't willing to be violent which means it's not an aggressive dog which means it cannot be a guard dog because a guard dog has to be willing to become violent towards intruders.
you guys should stop making up meanings for words that can easily be researched in a dictionary, the dictionary is giving one meaning and you're writing long paragraphs with points too that you came up with yourself that contradict what is in the dictionary.
every guard dog is an aggressive dog but not every aggressive dog is a guard dog.

as far as the dog you're training doesn't smile and wag it's tail at intruders and calmly escort them out of the premises rather it barks and charges at intruders then you have an aggressive dog, stop deceiving yourself.
aggression isn't a taboo which is why military dogs are tested for aggression and trained how to attack, the ones that don't show aggression are either put down or giving up for adoption.

isn't this how those well trained dogs act when they want to attack?
whether you can call them off or not as far as they act like this they are aggressive dogs

IamAnderson:
isn't this how those well trained dogs act when they want to attack?
whether you can call them off or not as far as they act like this they are aggressive dogs

This will be my last post regarding this. Those who know enough about dogs, it's temperament, work characteristics and training know what I'm talking about.

You brought out one definition. In my post I mentioned that there are more ways to define a word and I gave you one of such definitions. There are others I could outline to portray my point. But since you are terming aggression as one concept I'll use this analogy

The definition you gave was, "feeling of anger that results in hostile behaviour or violence". That was for aggression. Changing it to an adjective aggressive means that it's now a quality. A quality where you are constantly in a state of anger that results in hostile behaviour or violence. That is your behaviour and that is the type of person your are. Are you putting the peices together? This means it takes little to put you off because you have that constant feeling of anger in you that you can only release through hostile behaviour or violence. That is why aggressive dogs always lash out. That is why any random person cannot pet an aggressive dog. That is why some owners are scared of their dogs. Aggression in dogs on the major reason for dog attacks. This is where the shot fuse term comes into play.

A true trained guard dog with good working qualities (you really need to look up the word working quality in relation to dogs) is not in a constant state of anger. He doesn't have to be because he has great temperament. When he needs to perform his job he does so not because he is aggressive...angry, but because it's his job.

It's just like in humans. If I meet someone who wants to hurt, even kill me, I'll do everything in my power to thwart that plan which might include me fighting and hurting the person. I just acted violently, but I'm I a person in a constant need to act violently? No, because I'm not an aggressive person.

A dog termed aggressive is always in a constant need to lash out. It doesn't have anything to do with the breed. It could be Great Dane or a Yorkshire terrier. Aggression in a dog is bad. No Police K9 unit would train an aggressive dog. It's a loose cannon. It's a liability.

Endy10:


This will be my last post regarding this. Those who know enough about dogs, it's temperament, work characteristics and training know what I'm talking about.

You brought out one definition. In my post I mentioned that there are more ways to define a word and I gave you one of such definitions. There are others I could outline to portray my point. But since you are terming aggression as one concept I'll use this analogy

The definition you gave was, "feeling of anger that results in hostile behaviour or violence". That was for aggression. Changing it to an adjective aggressive means that it's now a quality. A quality where you are constantly in a state of anger that results in hostile behaviour or violence. That is your behaviour and that is the type of person your are. Are you putting the peices together? This means it takes little to put you off because you have that constant feeling of anger in you that you can only release through hostile behaviour or violence. That is why aggressive dogs always lash out. That is why any random person cannot pet an aggressive dog. That is why some owners are scared of their dogs. Aggression in dogs on the major reason for dog attacks. This is where the shot fuse term comes into play.

A true trained guard dog with good working qualities (you really need to look up the word working quality in relation to dogs) is not in a constant state of anger. He doesn't have to be because he has great temperament. When he needs to perform his job he does so not because he is aggressive...angry, but because it's his job.

It's just like in humans. If I meet someone who wants to hurt, even kill me, I'll do everything in my power to thwart that plan which might include me fighting and hurting the person. I just acted violently, but I'm I a person in a constant need to act violently? No, because I'm not an aggressive person.

A dog termed aggressive is always in a constant need to lash out. It doesn't have anything to do with the breed. It could be Great Dane or a Yorkshire terrier. Aggression in a dog is bad. No Police K9 unit would train an aggressive dog. It's a loose cannon. It's a liability.

this is where you're getting it wrong, because a dog is an aggressive dog doesn't mean that it's constantly in an aggressive state or it isn't controllable.
aggressive dogs can also be obedient, they can be stubborn, they can be nervous, they can have anxiety or fear.
aggression is just a characteristic, it doesn't mean a dog is constantly in that state.
you can check characteristics of all those breeds you train and see that aggression is listed as a trait of the breed which I why you are able to train then how to Channel their aggression how you want, meanwhile the dogs that are not guard,protection or attack dogs do not have that characteristic listed.
and who said no k9 unit will train an aggressive dog? aggression is one of the qualities they check for which also determines the breed of dog chosen.
a greyhound is far more agile and faster than a gsd and it's also obedient and very trainable and it's also around the same size with a gsd but it isn't aggressive or willing to be so it's used as a race dog.
meanwhile gsd,malinois,rotts andPitts are used as military dogs.
you do not understand the meaning of aggression that's the problem here.
you feel aggression means the dog will be a mad and reckless man killer, go and charge any military dog that you're calling calm in a certain way and see if it won't rip you up.
aggression has levels and it's just a characteristic, some dogs are overly aggressive while some are moderately aggressive which makes them balanced dogs.
aggression is a trait in dogs and it doesn't mean the dog is constantly in that state, people just describe dogs that are overly aggressive as "aggressive dogs" that doesn't mean aggression means a constant state of recklessness.

as far as the dog is violent or willing to be it has aggression, there is no such thing as "work quality" that term was very much made up which is why if I ask you to define it you'll say "you won't understand it's people that know about dog training that'll know"
you can train aggressive dogs and they can be obedient, overly aggressive dogs can also be dangerous man killers, the term "aggressive" doesn't mean the dog is reckless and uncontrollable.

IamAnderson:

all these definitions you're giving are wrong, you're the one that doesn't know the meaning of aggression, which one is "work quality" again?
any dog that can attack or that barks at people or even growls is an aggressive dog, that is the dictionary definition of aggression, all these ones you're adding are your own wrong misconceptions.
an aggressive dog can be well trained or untrained, an aggressive dog can either be reckless or well balanced.
as far as the dog is violent or willing to be violent it is an aggressive dog, you cannot say you trained a dog to attack on command and say the dog isn't aggressive, attacking is violence whether you can call the dog off or not it is still violence which makes the dog an aggressive dog.
let phunkypalace train a Newfoundland dog to attack on command let's see if it'll work, let him also train a Rottweiler and see which dog will respond faster.
you know the trait that'll enable the Rottweiler learn faster? AGGRESSION, the Newfoundland is not a violent dog and it isn't willing to be violent which means it's not an aggressive dog which means it cannot be a guard dog because a guard dog has to be willing to become violent towards intruders.
you guys should stop making up meanings for words that can easily be researched in a dictionary, the dictionary is giving one meaning and you're writing long paragraphs with points too that you came up with yourself that contradict what is in the dictionary.
every guard dog is an aggressive dog but not every aggressive dog is a guard dog.

as far as the dog you're training doesn't smile and wag it's tail at intruders and calmly escort them out of the premises rather it barks and charges at intruders then you have an aggressive dog, stop deceiving yourself.
aggression isn't a taboo which is why military dogs are tested for aggression and trained how to attack, the ones that don't show aggression are either put down or giving up for adoption.

Lmfao....like the OP literally said, you're using dictionary meaning to define the temperament of a dog. Please do yourself a favour and read about the stages of the IPO or Schutzhund training and let us see if dogs according to your own definition will pass.

I don't just jump into argument or deliberation except I see prior knowledge about what you're saying or the willingness to learn new things.

IamAnderson:

this is where you're getting it wrong, because a dog is an aggressive dog doesn't mean that it's constantly in an aggressive state or it isn't controllable.
aggressive dogs can also be obedient, they can be stubborn, they can be nervous, they can have anxiety or fear.
aggression is just a characteristic, it doesn't mean a dog is constantly in that state.
you can check characteristics of all those breeds you train and see that aggression is listed as a trait of the breed which I why you are able to train then how to Channel their aggression how you want, meanwhile the dogs that are not guard,protection or attack dogs do not have that characteristic listed.
and who said no k9 unit will train an aggressive dog? aggression is one of the qualities they check for which also determines the breed of dog chosen.
a greyhound is far more agile and faster than a gsd and it's also obedient and very trainable and it's also around the same size with a gsd but it isn't aggressive or willing to be so it's used as a race dog.
meanwhile gsd,malinois,rotts andPitts are used as military dogs.
you do not understand the meaning of aggression that's the problem here.
you feel aggression means the dog will be a mad and reckless man killer, go and charge any military dog that you're calling calm in a certain way and see if it won't rip you up.
aggression has levels and it's just a characteristic, some dogs are overly aggressive while some are moderately aggressive which makes them balanced dogs.
aggression is a trait in dogs and it doesn't mean the dog is constantly in that state, people just describe dogs that are overly aggressive as "aggressive dogs" that doesn't mean aggression means a constant state of recklessness.

as far as the dog is violent or willing to be it has aggression, there is no such thing as "work quality" that term was very much made up which is why if I ask you to define it you'll say "you won't understand it's people that know about dog training that'll know"
you can train aggressive dogs and they can be obedient, overly aggressive dogs can also be dangerous man killers, the term "aggressive" doesn't mean the dog is reckless and uncontrollable.

Again I laugh you. At what age does a K9 unit picks up a prospective working dog that they will now use your own definition of aggression as a yardstick to select the needed dogs.....

You ever seen a white man using the word aggressive or whatever it is that you call it?

I know what working quality means in dogs especially in the German Shepherd Dog, but I'm willing to hear you out before I know if it will be worth it to engage in a deliberation with you.

When you say Pitts are used in the military, what do you mean?...I hope you are not referring to the APBT.

IamAnderson:
isn't this how those well trained dogs act when they want to attack?
whether you can call them off or not as far as they act like this they are aggressive dogs

Anger, hostile behaviour in a well trained K9 dog?

Just that I'm a lot busy these days. It's good to pour out what you think, but it's very dangerous if you are so bent on a residual knowledge without being open to new things.

Let that your dog attend a SV/WUSV IPO show and let us see if he/she will go past stage one. The dog will be disqualified instantly. Aggression in dogs is a behavioral problem that needs proper treatment if you don't know. But looking at your points, you are not open and you are not even showing any constructive points.

phunkypalace:



Lmfao....like the OP literally said, you're using dictionary meaning to define the temperament of a dog. Please do yourself a favour and read about the stages of the IPO or Schutzhund training and let us see if dogs according to your own definition will pass.

I don't just jump into argument or deliberation except I see prior knowledge about what you're saying or the willingness to learn new things.

okay so if we shouldn't use dictionary meaning then what should we use?, the one you came up with yourself? please

and what do you even mean by dogs from my own definition? almost every dog from breeds with aggressive traits act like my definition so you have to be specific.

you also have to show willingness to learn new things too, let's start with you not knowing the meaning of aggression

Look at these pictures carefully, no aggressive dog will ever make it to this level, never. And can anyone tell me what is going on here?

phunkypalace:


Again I laugh you. At what age does a K9 unit picks up a prospective working dog that they will now use your own definition of aggression as a yardstick to select the needed dogs.....

You ever seen a white man using the word aggressive or whatever it is that you call it?

I know what working quality means in dogs especially in the German Shepherd Dog, but I'm willing to hear you out before I know if it will be worth it to engage in a deliberation with you.

When you say Pitts are used in the military, what do you mean?...I hope you are not referring to the APBT.

actually dogs are tested at different stages of their lives and the one's that don't meet up are giving out for adoption, it's an actual thing to adopt fired or retired military dogs

they don't usually use that term because it's not a professional term used to describe a dogs temperament but a lot of characteristics the dogs they pick for military jobs fall under aggression.

I actually understood what he meant by working quality, I just wanted to hear if he actually understood what he was saying because it seemed he just saw the term somewhere and started using it without knowing what it really meant.

and yes recently apbt have started being recruited into the military, update yourself and you'll see

phunkypalace:


Anger, hostile behaviour in a well trained K9 dog?

Just that I'm a lot busy these days. It's good to pour out what you think, but it's very dangerous if you are so bent on a residual knowledge without being open to new things.

Let that your dog attend a SV/WUSV IPO show and let us see if he/she will go past stage one. The dog will be disqualified instantly. Aggression in dogs is a behavioral problem that needs proper treatment if you don't know. But looking at your points, you are not open and you are not even showing any constructive points.

I see you posted pictures of dogs attacking their trainers as practice, now tell me is that not hostility?
does it matter if it was thought or not?
it's hostility or violence, and a dog cannot be happily barking at someone it wants to attack, anger has to be present.
you cannot just change English language, words have meanings and you're just pretending as if you didn't go to school

IamAnderson:

I see you posted pictures of dogs attacking their trainers as practice, now tell me is that not hostility?
does it matter if it was thought or not?
it's hostility or violence, and a dog cannot be happily barking at someone it wants to attack, anger has to be present.
you cannot just change English language, words have meanings and you're just pretending as if you didn't go to school

That is never hostility nor violence and infact I won't argue with you again immediately I see you called a decoy a trainer.

phunkypalace:
Look at these pictures carefully, no aggressive dog will ever make it to this level, never. And can anyone tell me what is going on here?

so is the dog we're seeing here playing or attacking it's trainer?
is it not biting?
is biting not Hostility or violence?
does it matter whether it was trained to or not?
biting is a type of hostility or violence which automatically makes it aggression
do you understand now?


and my dog is very aggressive when he needs to be and I effortlessly do this with him and I don't even need to pad my hands, I can do it with short sleeve and he won't even break my skin.

IamAnderson:

actually dogs are tested at different stages of their lives and the one's that don't meet up are giving out for adoption, it's an actual thing to adopt fired or retired military dogs

they don't usually use that term because it's not a professional term used to describe a dogs temperament but a lot of characteristics the dogs they pick for military jobs fall under aggression.

I actually understood what he meant by working quality, I just wanted to hear if he actually understood what he was saying because it seemed he just saw the term somewhere and started using it without knowing what it really meant.

and yes recently apbt have started being recruited into the military, update yourself and you'll see

So tell us which military in the world uses the APBT which is a game dog and also have animal aggression. At least it can never be the US because a new pet policy has been passed banning APBT, Rottweiler and the Doberman...I want to learn please. You know you said I'm acting like I never went to school.

phunkypalace:


That is never hostility nor violence and infact I won't argue with you again immediately I see you called a decoy a trainer.

lmao you're really saying biting is not a type of violence?
and so because I'm not using the dog training terms you googled I don't know what I'm saying?
if you really knew what you were saying this fake anger won't even be something that should come up

understand simple English words before mixing them with the dog training terms from the PDF file you have, that way you won't be having this argument on NL.
you're really out here arguing and denying the meaning of simple words we can all Google?

IamAnderson:

so is the dog we're seeing here playing or attacking it's trainer?
is it not biting?
is biting not Hostility or violence?
does it matter whether it was trained to or not?
biting is a type of hostility or violence which automatically makes it aggression
do you understand now?


and my dog is very aggressive when he needs to be and I effortlessly do this with him and I don't even need to pad my hands, I can do it with short sleeve and he won't even break my skin.

Lol you must be a joker. When you are ready and open, I'll find time to address someone who thinks the dog is attacking the decoy but doesn't know the dog is actually attacking the sleeve and there is a reason for that training.

Mr Aggression, you can have a wonderful night rest. When una don own one dog like this, you guys believe you know it all. Those who want to learn will learn.

phunkypalace:


So tell us which military in the world uses the APBT which is a game dog and also have animal aggression. At least it can never be the US because a new pet policy has been passed banning APBT, Rottweiler and the Doberman...I want to learn please. You know you said I'm acting like I never went to school.

the American military used sergeant stubby in 1926 and Howard the pitbull was deployed in 2012 and he returned in 2015.
it's not a major thing but their are few pitts in the military

IamAnderson:

lmao you're really saying biting is not a type of violence?
and so because I'm not using the dog training terms you googled I don't know what I'm saying?
if you really knew what you were saying this fake anger won't even be something that should come up

understand simple English words before mixing them with the dog training terms from the PDF file you have, that way you won't be having this argument on NL.
you're really out here arguing and denying the meaning of simple words we can all Google?

Lol I googled and have a PDF?...To tell you, I'm a linguist and there is a difference in English words and the ones used in Lexis and Structures. If your niche in a L&S is law, carry your English based definition and use it to replace the law term you hear. Aggression is a behavioral problem in dogs and should be treated. If your dog is aggressive, you are a bad owner.

phunkypalace:


Lol you must be a joker. When you are ready and open, I'll find time to address someone who thinks the dog is attacking the decoy but doesn't know the dog is actually attacking the sleeve and there is a reason for that training.

Mr Aggression, you can have a wonderful night rest. When una don own one dog like this, you guys believe you know it all. Those who want to learn will learn.

what are you even talking about?
my point was that the dog was attacking which is violence and you just admitted it now.

you can bend and throw in as much professional dog training terms as you like but you're still not disproving me or making any reasonable point

I never said I know it all, I'm just saying what I know, I have been following the thread and it's a nice thread but he was wrong at some point and I pointed it out to stop misinformation.
and as you said, those that want to learn will learn and not use the 2012 dog training tips they learned to deceive themselves that the more professional terms they know the more they can drop them and feel they can win any argument like that

IamAnderson:

the American military used sergeant stubby in 1926 and Howard the pitbull was deployed in 2012 and he returned in 2015.
it's not a major thing but their are few pitts in the military

and yes recently apbt have started being recruited into the military, update yourself and you'll see.

Your words, and you brought out sergeant stubby from 1926. Who is using Google now?

I thought you said recently, or do we have to check the meaning again. This conversation is a total waste of time. Mention the military you're giving me vague answers.

Oga what you don't know pass you ooo.

phunkypalace:


Lol I googled and have a PDF?...To tell you, I'm a linguist and there is a difference in English words and the ones used in Lexis and Structures. If your niche in a L&S is law, carry your English based definition and use it to replace the law term you hear. Aggression is a behavioral problem in dogs and should be treated. If your dog is aggressive, you are a bad owner.

you need to brush up on your courses if you're really a linguist.
aggression is a characteristic of several breeds, it is only a problem when it is uncontrollable, reckless or unnecessary.
if your dog shows signs of aggression and it's normal them you have nothing to worry about, you should only be worried if it is bad

IamAnderson:

what are you even talking about?
my point was that the dog was attacking which is violence and you just admitted it now.

you can bend and throw in as much professional dog training terms as you like but you're still not disproving me or making any reasonable point

I never said I know it all, I'm just saying what I know, I have been following the thread and it's a nice thread but he was wrong at some point and I pointed it out to stop misinformation.
and as you said, those that want to learn will learn and not use the 2012 dog training tips they learned to deceive themselves that the more professional terms they know the more they can drop them and feel they can win any argument like that

Again...Please do yourself a favour and read about the stages of the IPO or Schutzhund training and let us see if dogs according to your own definition will pass.

phunkypalace:



and yes recently apbt have started being recruited into the military, update yourself and you'll see.

Your words, and you brought out sergeant stubby from 1926. Who is using Google now?

I thought you said recently, or do we have to check the meaning again. This conversation is a total waste of time. Mention the military you're giving me vague answers.

Oga what you don't know pass you ooo.

did you not see when I mentioned Howard the pittbull that came back from service in 2015?
leonard of Ohio and khaih of new york got into the police force in 2017 too, there was another one in Dallas also
I only added stubby to show you it has been there for long and it is not ridiculous.
my answers are not vague, the only thing vague is the knowledge you think you have

phunkypalace:



Again...Please do yourself a favour and read about the stages of the IPO or Schutzhund training and let us see if dogs according to your own definition will pass.

I've replied this before right?
I guess you're not reading my replies

IamAnderson:

did you not see when I mentioned Howard the pittbull that came back from service in 2015?
I only added stubby to show you it has been there for long and it is not ridiculous.
my answers are not vague, the only thing vague is the knowledge you think you have

The knowledge I have is vague? Thanks and I appreciate that.

phunkypalace:

The knowledge I have is vague? Thanks and I appreciate that.

you're welcome

Endy10 please continue your wonderful thread

IamAnderson:

did you not see when I mentioned Howard the pittbull that came back from service in 2015?
leonard and khaih got into the police force in 2017 too
I only added stubby to show you it has been there for long and it is not ridiculous.
my answers are not vague, the only thing vague is the knowledge you think you have

Stubby died in 1926, Howard like you said returned from service in 2015 and in your words you said they are now being introduced.

Introduced in what year, and into which military?

Or maybe I don't understand the meaning of the phrase and I need to brush up on my courses...lol

phunkypalace:



Stubby died in 1926, Howard like you said returned from service in 2015 and in your words you said they are now being introduced.

Introduced in what year, and into which military?

Or maybe I don't understand the meaning of the phrase and I need to brush up on my courses...lol

you forgot Leonard and kaih joined the police force in 2017?
and when someone says they are now being introduced it doesn't necessarily mean it happened last week, you know it takes years for new development in the dog world

IamAnderson:

I've replied this before right?
I guess you're not reading my replies

Yes and you replied total crap and bullshit. You come up here and tell people aggression is a normal trait in dogs, highest misinformation in a decade. So innocent buyers can go out there to be looking for such dogs because some novice on NL that owns a single dog thinks he knows it all. When the dog mauls a family member, I hope you will be applauded. I just hope you are an animal behaviorist.

IamAnderson:

you forgot Leonard and kaih joined the police force in 2017?
and when someone says they are now being introduced it doesn't necessarily mean it happened last week, you know it takes years for new development in the dog world

Like I told you no k9 department will use an APBT but you've forgotten that the word pitbull consists of more than one dog which are American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bully, and Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

So to let you know your Leonard and Kaih can be some of these other breed but can never be an APBT. You are not talking to a dumbo.