MFM is stupid!

Baloney! This is rooted in that holier than thee, religious mentality. People throw birthday parties on days that are not actually their birthday, people set aside a day to honor human beings who are deemed to have contributed to the society or a nation, celebrating Jesus’ birthday on a particular day can’t be wrong if you believe He was actually born.

Communion is done to remember Christ, His birthday is remembered to celebrate the day He was born. If it was stolen from some pagan practice so be it, everyone on earth associates Christmas with Christ. Not some pagan bull crap.

Merry Christmas y’all.
Man will live forever because Christ was born.

MiddleDimension:
christians see him as authoritative

A mere human.

I will pick Aristotle over him.

Every year we go through this argument. What baffles me is why people who say they are Christians actually believe that Satan has right to appropriate a day or days to himself. It is the worst kind of unbelief in God and fear of Satan ever. So if 25th or any day has a pagan origin, we should abandon that day to pagan celebrations? Or to the devil? No we will not, instead we will put a Christian feast there and change it. God Almighty alone is the creator, all days belong to Him alone. We believe with St Paul that all days, meat or anything ese is consecrated to God alone. We make use of all.

MFM is too interested in devil's and demons, they should try focusing on God alone and worshipping Him, their minds will be reset.

It was in Roman catholicism that the unholy marriage between pagaism and christianity took place with pagan teachings and celebrations retained and rebaptised with christian names to make them acceptable. Christmas is nothing but the celebration of Roman sun-god birthday turned into that of the son of God. MANY PEOPL DONT EVEN KNOWN THAT BLESSED SACREMENT WHICH ROMAN CATHOLICS JUMP AROUND EVERY TIME IS THE SUN-WHOSE BIRTHDAY IS CELEBRATED EVERY 25/26 DEC IN THE NAME OF THAT OF CHRIST. ROMAN CATHOLISM IS NOTHING BUT PAGANISM IN CHRISTIAN GARMENT. cfountainoftruth@gmail.com

ifewise:
The Controversy on Christmas, December 25th as Jesus' Birthday: Our Position and Clarification, By MFM

With reference to the varied reactions that have been trailing the message of our General Overseer (Worldwide), Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries (MFM), Dr. Daniel Olukoya, on the celebration of December 25th as Christmas in celebration of the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, during the church's weekly Manna Water service on Dec. 25, 2019, we make the following clarifications...

Though the foundation of Christmas is idolatry and God hates idolatry with perfect hatred, we will not throw away the baby and the bath water.
We do not condemn those who celebrate.
Jesus is born in us at MFM every day. His death is our birth certificate.

We will bring out the positive out of the negatives by using all holidays for prayers, conferences seminars, and activities.

We will hold seminars, conventions, camp meetings or special teaching services to pray, examine the scriptures and draw positives from the wrong, negative and idolatry practices of the two events: Easter and Christmas.

We will hold special meetings to re-teach, re-emphasize and reappraise the significance of Jesus' birth, death, cross, and resurrection.

ON DECEMBER AND THE SHEPHERDS
Strange but true! Remember those shepherds who were “keeping watch over their flocks by night”? (Luke 2:. December weather around Bethlehem is often miserably cold, wet and rainy. No shepherd in his right mind would have kept his flocks outside at night at that time of year!
The passage argues against the December 25th birth of Jesus Christ since the weather would not have permitted shepherds to be out in the fields with their flocks then.

Also, Luke 2:1-4 tells us that Jesus was born in Bethlehem because his parents came to that town to register in a Roman census.
The Romans were well known as highly efficient administrators. It would have made no sense to have conducted a census in the dead of winter when temperatures often dropped below freezing and traveling was difficult due to poor road conditions. Taking a census under such conditions would have been pointless.

The Bible nowhere tells us to observe a holiday celebrating Jesus Christ’s birth —but it clearly does tell us to do ‘communion’ in remembrance of him.

And who told these retards that Jesus was actually born on 25th December?
And the Middle East is NEVER miserably wet and cold. It's the Middle East!

The passage above is rubbish and stupid how does celebrating the birth of christ relating to what said or relating to idolatry? The word idolatry has no room their at all so far the bible reckon his remembrance, celebrating him is another word for it so, Who knows when Jesus was born? So far no one can actually says, all those who are saying something gibberish should just keep quiet and go to hell. Enough is enough over leading us into wrong array.

Brothers and sisters stop listening to any Pastors again and dont let them reads bible for you anymore, you can the read bible yourself and understand it better. The revelation you receive while reading, is what you should use to guide yourself and your life

They also said 25th dec is a pagan day, the day we celebrates the birth of Jesus, was only him born on that day? Pagan could decides they celebrates on the same day so whats big deal about it? I know the attachment of the word pagan is what causing this setback. The pastors around the world believes they know everything about the bible but if they cant figure out when Jesus was born they should forget about condeming christmas day for us.

we dont care what MFM or any other church thinks at this stage christians are better off interpreting the bible and practicing their religoin outside the doctrines of any church cos as it stands most pastors are frauds

ifewise:
The Controversy on Christmas, December 25th as Jesus' Birthday: Our Position and Clarification, By MFM

With reference to the varied reactions that have been trailing the message of our General Overseer (Worldwide), Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries (MFM), Dr. Daniel Olukoya, on the celebration of December 25th as Christmas in celebration of the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, during the church's weekly Manna Water service on Dec. 25, 2019, we make the following clarifications...

Though the foundation of Christmas is idolatry and God hates idolatry with perfect hatred, we will not throw away the baby and the bath water.
We do not condemn those who celebrate.
Jesus is born in us at MFM every day. His death is our birth certificate.

We will bring out the positive out of the negatives by using all holidays for prayers, conferences seminars, and activities.

We will hold seminars, conventions, camp meetings or special teaching services to pray, examine the scriptures and draw positives from the wrong, negative and idolatry practices of the two events: Easter and Christmas.

We will hold special meetings to re-teach, re-emphasize and reappraise the significance of Jesus' birth, death, cross, and resurrection.

ON DECEMBER AND THE SHEPHERDS
Strange but true! Remember those shepherds who were “keeping watch over their flocks by night”? (Luke 2:. December weather around Bethlehem is often miserably cold, wet and rainy. No shepherd in his right mind would have kept his flocks outside at night at that time of year!
The passage argues against the December 25th birth of Jesus Christ since the weather would not have permitted shepherds to be out in the fields with their flocks then.

Also, Luke 2:1-4 tells us that Jesus was born in Bethlehem because his parents came to that town to register in a Roman census.
The Romans were well known as highly efficient administrators. It would have made no sense to have conducted a census in the dead of winter when temperatures often dropped below freezing and traveling was difficult due to poor road conditions. Taking a census under such conditions would have been pointless.

The Bible nowhere tells us to observe a holiday celebrating Jesus Christ’s birth —but it clearly does tell us to do ‘communion’ in remembrance of him.

You guys throw emphasis on non issues. Does it make any difference if people choose a particular day to celebrate Jesus. If Arabs is in winter is it in April?? December is when the Arabs is cold not April, you guys should stop fooling around and focus on the the mode of sincere worship. What about the sabbath day why are guys not disputing it's Saturday?? Let's focus on the spiritual things and what goes into the belly.

Ken4Christ:


Two wrongs cannot make a right. That you have a problem doesn't mean you have to take laws into your hands. Vengeance is the exclusive right of God. You don't have the moral right under this dispensation to take any life. And if you walk in the light of God's word, nobody can kill you unless you don't know who you are in Christ Jesus.

what has my comment got to do with killings here,baseless logic,MFM is s bible believing church pls change your direction. lobatan

Criticaltemp:
truth kii u dia

after you

Ken4Christ:
Holding camp meeting to kill perceived enemies. Dr Olukoya should please repent of this evil teachings and forms of prayers before it is too late.

How many witches did our Lord Jesus killed. He died for everybody including witches. I have seen some people involved in witchcraft activities saved by the power of God and they are now preaching the gospel.

Not just MFN. This prayer forms have spread like cancer to other denominations including the RCCG and Salvation Ministries. They are not just consistent with the teachings of our Lord Jesus. We should stop killing perceived enemies through prayers.

So true. "Kill them before they kill you" is not a Christian theme. It's an advanced form of witchcraft.

Godswillnwaoma:
Jehovah's witnesses have been saying this same thing since decade.....



Christmas did not originate from Christ, It has absolutely nothing to do with Christ Jesus. It is pegan feast.

Paul already addressed this:

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Well said bro, The day i know the meaning of gospel is the day i choose the church i attends carefully. Some pastors will just be preaching about how God destroy people and they will be casting the devil out of their member without knowing they are devil themselves. JESUS said go he into the world and preach the gospel. So whats the gospel? The good news of christ. If they are truely casting out the devil, Nigeria should ve being the best place on earth

dreamangel:
Every year we go through this argument. What baffles me is why people who say they are Christians actually believe that Satan has right to appropriate a day or days to himself. It is the worst kind of unbelief in God and fear of Satan ever. So if 25th or any day has a pagan origin, we should abandon that day to pagan celebrations? Or to the devil? No we will not, instead we will put a Christian feast there and change it. God Almighty alone is the creator, all days belong to Him alone. We believe with St Paul that all days, meat or anything ese is consecrated to God alone. We make use of all.

MFM is too interested in devil's and demons, they should try focusing on God alone and worshipping Him, their minds will be reset.

This is awesome. Let them know. if you celebrate it, you do it unto to the Lord and if you don't its your choice so why are they linking it to the paganism?

Good bless you for throwing this chapter to me, i will love to know you more

sacx:


Paul already addressed this:

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

pongwa:
It is the truth.

It is the truth that the origin of "Christmass" is idolatry? Or did the Catholic Church ever tell you that dec 25 is the exact day Jesus Christ was born? Its either you are shallow minded or you just love to deceive yourself.

Ken4Christ:
Holding camp meeting to kill perceived enemies. Dr Olukoya should please repent of this evil teachings and forms of prayers before it is too late.

How many witches did our Lord Jesus killed. He died for everybody including witches. I have seen some people involved in witchcraft activities saved by the power of God and they are now preaching the gospel.

Not just MFN. This prayer forms have spread like cancer to other denominations including the RCCG and Salvation Ministries. They are not just consistent with the teachings of our Lord Jesus. We should stop killing perceived enemies through prayers.

That's what you'll continue to experience when you refuse to ask the most important question "which ONE out of all these so called Churches is following the footsteps of the first century Christians?"

My own answer ~ JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

If you fail to present the one and only Christian group, then forget about whatever or however any religion operates.
As long as they claim to be Christians, my guy you must accept them as Christians no matter what they preach or teach!

ifewise:
The Controversy on Christmas, December 25th as Jesus' Birthday: Our Position and Clarification, By MFM

With reference to the varied reactions that have been trailing the message of our General Overseer (Worldwide), Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries (MFM), Dr. Daniel Olukoya, on the celebration of December 25th as Christmas in celebration of the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, during the church's weekly Manna Water service on Dec. 25, 2019, we make the following clarifications...

Though the foundation of Christmas is idolatry and God hates idolatry with perfect hatred, we will not throw away the baby and the bath water.
We do not condemn those who celebrate.
Jesus is born in us at MFM every day. His death is our birth certificate.

We will bring out the positive out of the negatives by using all holidays for prayers, conferences seminars, and activities.

We will hold seminars, conventions, camp meetings or special teaching services to pray, examine the scriptures and draw positives from the wrong, negative and idolatry practices of the two events: Easter and Christmas.

We will hold special meetings to re-teach, re-emphasize and reappraise the significance of Jesus' birth, death, cross, and resurrection.

ON DECEMBER AND THE SHEPHERDS
Strange but true! Remember those shepherds who were “keeping watch over their flocks by night”? (Luke 2:. December weather around Bethlehem is often miserably cold, wet and rainy. No shepherd in his right mind would have kept his flocks outside at night at that time of year!
The passage argues against the December 25th birth of Jesus Christ since the weather would not have permitted shepherds to be out in the fields with their flocks then.

Also, Luke 2:1-4 tells us that Jesus was born in Bethlehem because his parents came to that town to register in a Roman census.
The Romans were well known as highly efficient administrators. It would have made no sense to have conducted a census in the dead of winter when temperatures often dropped below freezing and traveling was difficult due to poor road conditions. Taking a census under such conditions would have been pointless.

The Bible nowhere tells us to observe a holiday celebrating Jesus Christ’s birth —but it clearly does tell us to do ‘communion’ in remembrance of him.

He should have just preached on the significance of Christ coming, his mission and death and let bygone be bygone. What's all this again. Stop trying to divide the body. Celebrate or leave it. Itk

Le124:
You are the one who is ignorant here, sabbath day was observed b4 the death of christ and he rose up on Sunday , after been crucified on Friday, quote author=lomprico post=85312646]so many ignorant people in Africa. Why does MFM not hold their service on saturday (sabath) that is the day God tested. just like Christmas, Sundays are days set aside for pagan worship.

lol, see mumu, who rose it up?

go and research on the history of the church. the roman catholic church made sunday the official day of worship so as to counter the sun worshippers for doing their worship on that day. go an do research ignoramus.

ifewise:
The Controversy on Christmas, December 25th as Jesus' Birthday: Our Position and Clarification, By MFM

With reference to the varied reactions that have been trailing the message of our General Overseer (Worldwide), Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries (MFM), Dr. Daniel Olukoya, on the celebration of December 25th as Christmas in celebration of the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, during the church's weekly Manna Water service on Dec. 25, 2019, we make the following clarifications...

Though the foundation of Christmas is idolatry and God hates idolatry with perfect hatred, we will not throw away the baby and the bath water.
We do not condemn those who celebrate.
Jesus is born in us at MFM every day. His death is our birth certificate.

We will bring out the positive out of the negatives by using all holidays for prayers, conferences seminars, and activities.

We will hold seminars, conventions, camp meetings or special teaching services to pray, examine the scriptures and draw positives from the wrong, negative and idolatry practices of the two events: Easter and Christmas.

We will hold special meetings to re-teach, re-emphasize and reappraise the significance of Jesus' birth, death, cross, and resurrection.

ON DECEMBER AND THE SHEPHERDS
Strange but true! Remember those shepherds who were “keeping watch over their flocks by night”? (Luke 2:. December weather around Bethlehem is often miserably cold, wet and rainy. No shepherd in his right mind would have kept his flocks outside at night at that time of year!
The passage argues against the December 25th birth of Jesus Christ since the weather would not have permitted shepherds to be out in the fields with their flocks then.

Also, Luke 2:1-4 tells us that Jesus was born in Bethlehem because his parents came to that town to register in a Roman census.
The Romans were well known as highly efficient administrators. It would have made no sense to have conducted a census in the dead of winter when temperatures often dropped below freezing and traveling was difficult due to poor road conditions. Taking a census under such conditions would have been pointless.

The Bible nowhere tells us to observe a holiday celebrating Jesus Christ’s birth —but it clearly does tell us to do ‘communion’ in remembrance of him.

Christmas is pagan, Easter is pagan. Ordinary research, would open the eyes of people, but people don't even have time for all that.

The Christmas Day celebration has done more evangelism than any church's efforts put together.

Maximus69:


That's what you'll continue to experience when you refuse to ask the most important question "which ONE out of all these so called Churches is following the footsteps of the first century Christians?"

My own answer ~ JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

If you fail to present the one and only Christian group, then forget about whatever or however any religion operates.
As long as they claim to be Christians, my guy you must accept them as Christians no matter what they preach or teach!

Hmm, none, none my brother.....

Correcto:
True but the world have succeeded in converting pegan feast to Christian feast.
(1)Did the bible say it is wrong to convert a pegan feast to a Christian feast?
(2)Did the bible say we should not celebrate Christmas?
(3)Do you want the world to continue to remember the pegan feast? Be guided!!!

(1)YES! God strictly warned his own people not to copy anything from pagan customs, it's DETESTABLE from his point of view! Exodus 23:24, Leviticus 18:3, Deuteronomy 12:30

(2)YES! It's called the BIRTHDAY and none of God's faithful servants celebrated birthday, it was even written that we should commemorate the day of death instead of birth {Ecclesiastes 7:1} and Jesus Christ (God's only begotten son) OBEYED God's word! Luke 22:19 compared to John 8:28

(3)YES! That's why God made sure that several pagan customs practiced in Bible times were recorded for us to learn from the mistakes of past generations! Romans 15:4, 1Corinthians 10:11
God bless you!

FemiEddy:


Hmm, none, none my brother.....

Jesus FERVENTLY prayed o his father for TRUE Christians to become one big happy family of peace loving worshippers, shining before all the false religions initiated by Satan and his demons. John 17:20-23

Are you saying that Jesus' heartfelt prayer wasn't answered?

Jehovah's Witnesses have proved beyond all reasonable doubt that they are God's people!

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post=85310732:

This is all that matters.
Respecting other people's view on CHRISTMAS and the way they chose to celebrate it!



True.
We respect your belief too MFM.
This Makes lot of sense also.

At the end of it all ,

Knowing that CHRIST is the Beginning and the END and he is also our personal LORD and saviour is all that matters.

JESUS IS LORD FOREVER AND EVER.


For the few people that missed our End of the Year barbecue parry for the kids @[color=#006600][/color],
Have this and be Merry......

Feliz Navidad
Feliz Navidad
Feliz Navidad
Prospero año y felicidad

I want to wish you a Merry Christmas
I want to wish you a Merry Christmas
I want to wish you a Merry Christmas
From the bottom of my heart

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Dr. Olukoya knows the bible more the whites that brought Christianity to Africa, Nawoo

Mind your business

mcuzy:
Make ona go sidon where contain ona . Who follow ona drag say dem nor born Jesus for December ? Over sabi tell us when dem born am na... December 25th is just a day we celebrate CHristmas to remind the world of the birth of a king

so you don't see any other day to celebrate the birth of jesus except the day that was set aside for worshipping idol. if ths man said his ministry does not believe in it how does it affect those that are doing it?

In other words, are you saying celebrating Jesus birth is a pegan custom? Where in the bible is 25th December marked as a day pegans do their celebration?

Maximus69:


(1)YES! God strictly warned his own people not to copy anything from pagan customs, it's DETESTABLE from his point of view! Exodus 23:24, Leviticus 18:3, Deuteronomy 12:30

(2)YES! It's called the BIRTHDAY and none of God's faithful servants celebrated birthday, it was even written that we should commemorate the day of death instead of birth {Ecclesiastes 7:1} and Jesus Christ (God's only begotten son) OBEYED God's word! Luke 22:19 compared to John 8:28

(3)YES! That's why God made sure that several pagan customs practiced in Bible times were recorded for us to learn from the mistakes of past generations! Romans 15:4, 1Corinthians 10:11
God bless you!

Lilisticlili:
what has my comment got to do with killings here,baseless logic,MFM is s bible believing church pls change your direction. lobatan

The New Testament church does not follow everything written in the Bible. The New Testament Is our new constitution and not the whole Bible. This is where most churches are missing it. The priesthood has changed and so also is the covenant changed. The teachings of our Lord Jesus doesn't agree with most instructions under the Law of Moses. They should learn to follow the teachings of our Lord Jesus and his Apostles.

Do we then throw away the Old Testament part of the Bible? Certainly no. It has wealth of information still useful to us. Besides, without it, we will not know where we are coming from. But any teaching in the Old Testament that is not consistent with the teachings of our Lord Jesus and his Apostles should not be made a doctrine. If the church can stick to what Jesus and the Apostles taught, we will have minimal doctrinal differences in the body of Christ.

Jesus is the chief corner stone and not Moses. His teachings laid the foundation for the church.

Ken4Christ:
Holding camp meeting to kill perceived enemies. Dr Olukoya should please repent of this evil teachings and forms of prayers before it is too late.

How many witches did our Lord Jesus killed. He died for everybody including witches. I have seen some people involved in witchcraft activities saved by the power of God and they are now preaching the gospel.

Not just MFN. This prayer forms have spread like cancer to other denominations including the RCCG and Salvation Ministries. They are not just consistent with the teachings of our Lord Jesus. We should stop killing perceived enemies through prayers.

The same Bible says, suffereth not the witch to live... When the witch has refused to repent but keeps persecuting you and almost killing you, so what will you do ehhh?

CSTR2:

Which enemy are you talking about?

Is it the enemy that says he is not going to greet you in the morning or the enemy that says your wife will die at child birth.?

Because there are different types of enemies.

If God did not kill herod, Peter would have been killed after he already killed James.

It was the same God that rained down fire on those soldiers when they asked Elijah to come down.

God has not changed. It is you that fail to understand the scriptures.

You can't pray for some enemies to repent. They will kill you if you don't kill them.

Our Lord Jesus didn't differentiate one kind of enemy from the other. If you do that, you are adding to the scripture and you will be judged.

Your life is secured in Christ. If you try to kill them because you are afraid they will kill you first, then you don't trust in God's protection. But God is faithful and he is able to keep us from every evil works of darkness.

They can only kill you if you make yourself venerable by walking outside the will of God and also by living in fear.

They can't kill you. Your life is hid with God in Christ.