Stephenmoka4:

*You snake* , you bloody viper simply means you wicked/heartless people
You foolish people, means the unwise ones
Go behind me Satan, Means leave me rebellious one
that is not an insult. When he say he would build the temple in three days, the temple is actually him but, sadly many don't understand. God promised a land flowing with milk and honey doesn't mean that literally.

Your mention don dey too much o!

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Did Jonah die in the belly of the fish before being resurrected out of the fish?

glowingflame7:


Do you perform miracles? What are your terms and conditions since you seem to know better. First your problem was about being flattered, now it's about the right style of mercy. Oga stop confusing your confusion.

Freely it was received and freely should it be given!

It should not be given reluctantly! And debasing someone just because you wanted to help them is inappropriate!

AntiChristian:


Your mention don dey too much o!

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Did Jonah die in the belly of the fish before being resurrected out of the fish?

No that's why you have to read the content of the chapter to know the contexts. You don't understand by just picking a verse. Three days in the belly of the fish, means three days of sorrow. Jonah didn't die in the belly but, the three days there are not joyful, anyways _the son of man..._ this reference his death and three days after resurrection, those were also not joyful days.

Stephenmoka4:
No that's why you have to read the content of the chapter to know the contexts. You don't understand by just picking a verse. Three days in the belly of the fish, means three days of sorrow. Jonah didn't die in the belly but, the three days there are not joyful, anyways _the son of man..._ this reference his death and three days after resurrection, those were also not joyful days.

"For as" Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

1. Jonah didn't die. Jesus didn't die too!

2. Jesus was simply telling you he won't die on the cross. He was just unconscious!

AntiChristian:


"For as" Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

1. Jonah didn't die. Jesus didn't die too!

2. Jesus was simply telling you he won't die on the cross. He was just unconscious!

Jesus didn't mentioned/mean not dying on the cross there. I don't understand what you mean by just unconscious

Stephenmoka4:
Jesus didn't mentioned/mean not dying on the cross there. I don't understand what you mean by just unconscious

Jesus never died really...he was not conscious!

And how did you know Jesus does not mean this? What is the sign of Prophet Jonah?

AntiChristian:


Jesus never died really...he was not conscious!

And how did you know Jesus does not mean this? What is the sign of Prophet Jonah?

Jesus died and there are many references to that

Stephenmoka4:
Jesus died and there are many references to that

Apart from the Bible what other reference?

AntiChristian:


Apart from the Bible what other reference?

The scholars, eye witness and people there that passed it to their children, and their children's children till date. Just like the 9/11 attack, it's true and it's documented, it is passed to the younger generations and we'll all learn from it. If you doubt the 9/11 you are on your own too, people doubt too much. Wait was the genius Albert Einstein real, he's documented too, I didn't see him yes, do I need a Bible to reference him or Wikipedia well, It was passed to the younger generation. How about the next generation that don't know Trump, Stephen Hawking, the elite Bill Gates we'll all tell them about these people, it's left for 'em to believe as believe/Faith is not by force

Stephenmoka4:
The scholars, eye witness and people there that passed it to their children, and their children's children till date. Just like the 9/11 attack, it's true and it's documented, it is passed to the younger generations and we'll all learn from it. If you doubt the 9/11 you are on your own too, people doubt too much. Wait was the genius Albert Einstein real, he's documented too, I didn't see him yes, do I need a Bible to reference him or Wikipedia well, It was passed to the younger generation. How about the next generation that don't know Trump, Stephen Hawking, the elite Bill Gates we'll all tell them about these people, it's left for 'em to believe as believe/Faith is not by force

“Then everyone deserted him and fled.”
Mark 14:50

No one was there when he was purportedly crucified!
So all those stories na hearsay!

Stephenmoka4:
The scholars, eye witness and people there that passed it to their children, and their children's children till date. Just like the 9/11 attack, it's true and it's documented, it is passed to the younger generations and we'll all learn from it. If you doubt the 9/11 you are on your own too, people doubt too much. Wait was the genius Albert Einstein real, he's documented too, I didn't see him yes, do I need a Bible to reference him or Wikipedia well, It was passed to the younger generation. How about the next generation that don't know Trump, Stephen Hawking, the elite Bill Gates we'll all tell them about these people, it's left for 'em to believe as believe/Faith is not by force

Here is a criticism of the Books of Matthew, Mark, Luke & John as regards the build up to the crucifixion and the cross.

It is strange that they differ concerning the form of this cross which indicates their confusion about this fabrication.

There are differences between the Gospels and their historians regarding everything that has to do with the story of the crucifixion.

They differ concerning the timing of the Last Supper, which according to them was one of the events in the lead-up to the crucifixion.

They differ concerning the traitor who led (the Romans) to Christ – did that happen at least one day before the Last Supper, as narrated by Luke, or during it, after Christ gave him the piece of bread, as narrated by John?

Was Christ the one who carried his cross, as John says, as was customary with one who was going to be crucified, according to Nottingham, or was it Simon of Cyrene, as the other three Gospels state?

They say that two thieves were crucified alongside Christ, one on his right and one on his left, so what was the attitude of these two towards the Messiah who was being crucified, as they claim?
Did the thieves scorn him for being crucified, and say that his Lord had abandoned him and left him to his enemies? Or did only one of them scorn him, and did the other rebuke the one who scorned him?

At what hour did this crucifixion take place – was it in the third hour, as Mark says, or in the sixth as John says?

What happened after the so-called crucifixion?
Mark says that the veil of the Temple was torn from top to bottom. Matthew adds that the earth shook and rocks crumbled, and many of the saints rose from their graves and entered the holy city, appearing to many. Luke says that the sun turned dark, and the veil of the Temple was torn in the middle, and when the centurion saw what had happened, he glorified God and said, “Truly this man was righteous.”
But John does not know anything about all that!

These are not the only weak elements and indications of falseness in the story of the crucifixion, as narrated in the gospels. Rather the one who studies the details of the gospel narratives of this story will, with the least effort, notice the great differences in the details of this story, which are such that it is impossible to believe it all or even any part of it!

Apart from the fact that the gospel accounts are not sound, and their authors themselves admit that they were not revealed to the Messiah in this form, nor were they even written during his lifetime, none of the witnesses were present at the events to which they testify, as Mark says:

“Then everyone deserted him and fled.”
Mark 14:50

AntiChristian:


Freely it was received and freely should it be given!

It should not be given reluctantly! And debasing someone just because you wanted to help them is inappropriate!

So you can't perform miracles but you feel you should dictate terms and conditions to one who can? It's like someone who doesn't have a bicycle tyre telling Toyota what to do or how to run. Stop clowning please, this is Tuesday not weekend.

Jews are bigots.

What else is new?

glowingflame7:


So you can't perform miracles but you feel you should dictate terms and conditions to one who can? It's like someone who doesn't have a bicycle tyre telling Toyota what to do or how to run. Stop clowning please, this is Tuesday not weekend.

Sorry! I'm not a fan of your God! I think I will pass.

AntiChristian:


Sorry! I'm not a fan of your God! I think I will pass.

You're one sorry creature of His. You're confused.

AntiChristian:



Here is a criticism of the Books of Matthew, Mark, Luke & John as regards the build up to the crucifixion and the cross.

It is strange that they differ concerning the form of this cross which indicates their confusion about this fabrication.

There are differences between the Gospels and their historians regarding everything that has to do with the story of the crucifixion.

They differ concerning the timing of the Last Supper, which according to them was one of the events in the lead-up to the crucifixion.

They differ concerning the traitor who led (the Romans) to Christ – did that happen at least one day before the Last Supper, as narrated by Luke, or during it, after Christ gave him the piece of bread, as narrated by John?

Was Christ the one who carried his cross, as John says, as was customary with one who was going to be crucified, according to Nottingham, or was it Simon of Cyrene, as the other three Gospels state?

They say that two thieves were crucified alongside Christ, one on his right and one on his left, so what was the attitude of these two towards the Messiah who was being crucified, as they claim?
Did the thieves scorn him for being crucified, and say that his Lord had abandoned him and left him to his enemies? Or did only one of them scorn him, and did the other rebuke the one who scorned him?

At what hour did this crucifixion take place – was it in the third hour, as Mark says, or in the sixth as John says?

What happened after the so-called crucifixion?
Mark says that the veil of the Temple was torn from top to bottom. Matthew adds that the earth shook and rocks crumbled, and many of the saints rose from their graves and entered the holy city, appearing to many. Luke says that the sun turned dark, and the veil of the Temple was torn in the middle, and when the centurion saw what had happened, he glorified God and said, “Truly this man was righteous.”
But John does not know anything about all that!

These are not the only weak elements and indications of falseness in the story of the crucifixion, as narrated in the gospels. Rather the one who studies the details of the gospel narratives of this story will, with the least effort, notice the great differences in the details of this story, which are such that it is impossible to believe it all or even any part of it!

Apart from the fact that the gospel accounts are not sound, and their authors themselves admit that they were not revealed to the Messiah in this form, nor were they even written during his lifetime, none of the witnesses were present at the events to which they testify, as Mark says:

“Then everyone deserted him and fled.”
Mark 14:50

There is a little difference in the writing of those gospel chapter however if you read between the lines they are of similar context, Matthew and Luke gave a great line of explanation of Jesus, Mark had many summarised, John had both summarised and detailed towards the end. Please the crucifixion are told in the gospel books, the timing is nothing to worry about as I mentioned that some books made summary, In John 13 Jesus predicted Judas's betrayal but, if you check later in that book, John made summary after his prayer and then the betrayal came in. Christ carried his Cross, along the way he met Simon of Cyrene who helped him for some distance. The attitude of the Thieves, please check the Bible; anyways here one of 'em asked for mercy...
In Mark 15:25 crucifixion takes place at the third hour (9
a.m.) and Jesus' death at the ninth hour (3 p.m.).
However, in John 19:14 Jesus is still before Pilate at the
sixth hour. Scholars have presented a number of
arguments to deal with the issue, some suggesting a
reconciliation, e.g., based on the use of Roman timekeeping
in John but not in Mark, yet others have rejected the
arguments. Several scholars have argued that
the modern precision of marking the time of day should not
be read back into the gospel accounts, written at a time
when no standardization of timepieces, or exact recording
of hours and minutes was available, and time was often
approximated to the closest three-hour period.

AntiChristian:


“Then everyone deserted him and fled.”
Mark 14:50

No one was there when he was purportedly crucified!
So all those stories na hearsay!

if you read the story before and after that you'll understand better, I'll advise not to pick just a line without checking out the context of the chapter. After they left him and fled, Jesus was taken to Pilate but, not crucified immediately, he even stand trial etc

Stephenmoka4:
if you read the story before and after that you'll understand better, I'll advise not to pick just a line without checking out the context of the chapter. After they left him and fled, Jesus was taken to Pilate but, not crucified immediately, he even stand trial etc

If Mark says they fled. Where's the verse they returned?

Stephenmoka4:
There is a little difference in the writing of those gospel chapter however if you read between the lines they are of similar context, Matthew and Luke gave a great line of explanation of Jesus, Mark had many summarised, John had both summarised and detailed towards the end. Please the crucifixion are told in the gospel books, the timing is nothing to worry about as I mentioned that some books made summary, In John 13 Jesus predicted Judas's betrayal but, if you check later in that book, John made summary after his prayer and then the betrayal came in. Christ carried his Cross, along the way he met Simon of Cyrene who helped him for some distance. The attitude of the Thieves, please check the Bible; anyways here one of 'em asked for mercy...
In Mark 15:25 crucifixion takes place at the third hour (9
a.m.) and Jesus' death at the ninth hour (3 p.m.).
However, in John 19:14 Jesus is still before Pilate at the
sixth hour. Scholars have presented a number of
arguments to deal with the issue, some suggesting a
reconciliation, e.g., based on the use of Roman timekeeping
in John but not in Mark, yet others have rejected the
arguments. Several scholars have argued that
the modern precision of marking the time of day should not
be read back into the gospel accounts, written at a time
when no standardization of timepieces, or exact recording
of hours and minutes was available, and time was often
approximated to the closest three-hour period.

Despite the focus around the crucifixion period yet there are many flaws!

OK, let me give you a test you'll fail. Mention the people who made the Peter deny Jesus?

Stephenmoka4:
if you read the story before and after that you'll understand better, I'll advise not to pick just a line without checking out the context of the chapter. After they left him and fled, Jesus was taken to Pilate but, not crucified immediately, he even stand trial etc

AntiChristian:
If Mark says they fled. Where's the verse they returned?

"Many women were there, watching from a distance.
They had followed Jesus from Galilee to care for his needs."
- Matthew 27:55

"⁴⁰And there were also women watching from a distance.
Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joseph, and Salome.
⁴¹These women had followed Jesus and ministered to Him while He was in Galilee,
and there were many other women who had come up to Jerusalem with Him."
- Mark 15:40-41

"Near the cross of Jesus stood His mother and her sister,
as well as Mary the wife of Clopas and Mary Magdalene.."
- John 19:25

AntiChristian, my dear Muslim brother and newly found friend, it was only women who had the balls, to at a safe distance, stand ground and be taking in all that happened to the Lord and Saviour of the world, Jesus Christ. His mother too, actually was near the foot of the cross as well.

With Jesus 4000 years ago, restoring the Woman, it is hypocritical to not see or have at least a single book written by a woman in the New Testatment, as we would have now today be able to read something from their own perspective and firsthand experiences, instead, what see and have are males, under the influence of men controlling power, come online to promote and/or perpetuate male dominance, so to keep women from their rightful equal leadership role calling and/or prominent positions.

AntiChristian:


If Mark says they fled. Where's the verse they returned?

The verse didn't say the didn't return or did return. Someone had answered that already, after he had been arrested do you think they were at that same spot, they took him away and where they took him to was it in the middle of no where or where lives exist. The thing is if you are not interested in God, you are not forced to; instead of going back and forth with things and questions that you may not even bother of learning anything from. Thing is what do you want and what are you after from all these. Peace

AntiChristian:


Despite the focus around the crucifixion period yet there are many flaws!

OK, let me give you a test you'll fail. Mention the people who made the Peter deny Jesus?

From your question, "people who made *the* Peter deny Jesus. Please I didn't get that line

Stephenmoka4:
From your question, "people who made *the* Peter deny Jesus. Please I didn't get that line

Peter the rock denied Jesus 3 times. Can you tell me who talked to peter in those three times to make him deny Jesus?

Stephenmoka4:
The verse didn't say the didn't return or did return. Someone had answered that already, after he had been arrested do you think they were at that same spot, they took him away and where they took him to was it in the middle of no where or where lives exist. The thing is if you are not interested in God, you are not forced to; instead of going back and forth with things and questions that you may not even bother of learning anything from. Thing is what do you want and what are you after from all these. Peace

If you have a story that doesn't fit can that be inspired by the Almighty?

MuttleyLaff:


"Many women were there, watching from a distance.
They had followed Jesus from Galilee to care for his needs."
- Matthew 27:55

"⁴⁰And there were also women watching from a distance.
Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joseph, and Salome.
⁴¹These women had followed Jesus and ministered to Him while He was in Galilee,
and there were many other women who had come up to Jerusalem with Him."
- Mark 15:40-41

"Near the cross of Jesus stood His mother and her sister,
as well as Mary the wife of Clopas and Mary Magdalene.."
- John 19:25

AntiChristian, my dear Muslim brother and newly found friend, it was only women who had the balls, to at a safe distance, stand ground and be taking in all that happened to the Lord and Saviour of the world, Jesus Christ. His mother too, actually was near the foot of the cross as well.

With Jesus 4000 years ago, restoring the Woman, it is hypocritical to not see or have at least a single book written by a woman in the New Testatment, as we would have now today be able to read something from their own perspective and firsthand experiences, instead, what see and have are males, under the influence of men controlling power, come online to promote and/or perpetuate male dominance, so to keep women from their rightful equal leadership role calling and/or prominent positions.

So the people that fled came back to watch the events they do not know how it started? And they watch from a distance doesn't cut it at all!
Women from far distance saw the crucifixion but men were the ones who reported the event as if they were there!

And when Jesus said "Eli Eli Eli.....Did they hear that from the distance or Jesus shouted till they could hear in such distance?

How do the reporters know who was crucified along with Jesus?

AntiChristian:

So the people that fled came back to watch the events they do not know how it started? And they watch from a distance doesn't cut it at all!
Women from far distance saw the crucifixion but men were the ones who reported the event as if they were there!

You can see I am well ahead of you as notice I previously had typed that with Jesus 4000 years ago, restoring the Woman, it is hypocritical to not see or have at least a single book written by a woman in the New Testatment, as we would have now today be able to read something from their own perspective and firsthand experiences, instead, what see and have are males, under the influence of men controlling power, come online to promote and/or perpetuate male dominance, so to keep women from their rightful equal leadership role calling and/or prominent positions

AntiChristian:
And when Jesus said "Eli Eli Eli.....Did they hear that from the distance or Jesus shouted till they could hear in such distance?

Just because they fled, it doesn't mean they weren't in the midst of the crowd, lol. You don't know that, that "Eli Eli ..." cry was addressed to the disciples in the crowd witnessing the crucifixion, do you, lol? There is a lot you awarent of lol.

AntiChristian:
How do the reporters know who was crucified along with Jesus?

From those who watched the whole episode from a safe close distance away possibly. If my memory serves me right, John actually, as in meaning, the disciple whom Jesus love, was there at the foot of the cross with Jesus' mother

MuttleyLaff:
You can see I am well ahead of you as notice I previously had typed that with Jesus 4000 years ago, restoring the Woman, it is hypocritical to not see or have at least a single book written by a woman in the New Testatment, as we would have now today be able to read something from their own perspective and firsthand experiences, instead, what see and have are males, under the influence of men controlling power, come online to promote and/or perpetuate male dominance, so to keep women from their rightful equal leadership role calling and/or prominent positions

Just because they fled, it doesn't mean they weren't in the midst of the crowd, lol. You don't know that, that "Eli Eli ..." cry was addressed to the disciples in the crowd witnessing the crucifixion, do you, lol? There is a lot you awarent of lol.

From those who watched the whole episode from a safe close disyance away possibly. If mu memory serves me right, John actually, as in meaning, the disciple whom Jesus love, was there at the foot of the cross with Jesus' mother

Are you a woman or wetin concern me with woman not writing scriptures! Women have been busing with keeping family going in those days! Men are more outside while women keep the home. Why didn't Jesus select one female disciple among the 12?


"But all those who knew him, including the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance, watching these things." (Luke 23:49)

"When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, 'Woman,here is your son,' and to the disciple, 'Here is your mother.' From that time on, this disciple took her into his home." (John 19:26-27)

At a distance or close to the cross where Jesus can see them? Since at a point they all fled...who filled in the gaps?

AntiChristian:


If you have a story that doesn't fit can that be inspired by the Almighty?

There isn't a story that doesn't fit, many failed to understand. It's left for anyone

AntiChristian:



Peter the rock denied Jesus 3 times. Can you tell me who talked to peter in those three times to make him deny Jesus?

I don't know their names but, there were people who asked him, also there's this servant girl too but, I don't know her. Anyways, from here to here, to there to there, if you don't want God nobody will force you, you can make your own decision all this questions everywhere that you might not care about is just waste of time. Peace

AntiChristian:


So the people that fled came back to watch the events they do not know how it started? And they watch from a distance doesn't cut it at all!
Women from far distance saw the crucifixion but men were the ones who reported the event as if they were there!

And when Jesus said "Eli Eli Eli.....Did they hear that from the distance or Jesus shouted till they could hear in such distance?

How do the reporters know who was crucified along with Jesus?

When Jesus stand trial, was he alone no, after they ask the people (of cause people were there) about Jesus, they bid for Barnabas, when Jesus was on his journey to be crucified people were there, when been crucified people were there, buried, people were present too. It's normal for people to flee the immediate scene at that instant when he was arrested but, after the aftermath will they keep running till today. Well no.

AntiChristian:



Are you a woman or wetin concern me with woman not writing scriptures! Women have been busing with keeping family going in those days! Men are more outside while women keep the home. Why didn't Jesus select one female disciple among the 12?


"But all those who knew him, including the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance, watching these things." (Luke 23:49)

"When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, 'Woman,here is your son,' and to the disciple, 'Here is your mother.' From that time on, this disciple took her into his home." (John 19:26-27)

At a distance or close to the cross where Jesus can see them? Since at a point they all fled...who filled in the gaps?

At a distance doesn't mean miles a way, however during the brutality they have to keep their distance and after he was placed on the cross and left to die they can be of close range now. Peace

Stephenmoka4:
I don't know their names but, there were people who asked him, also there's this servant girl too but, I don't know her. Anyways, from here to here, to there to there, if you don't want God nobody will force you, you can make your own decision all this questions everywhere that you might not care about is just waste of time. Peace

The story doesn't fit that's why I keep pointing out the flaws. Four people reported one story yet the differences were too much!

Peter’s denials

This example is of less importance, but it’s well known and shows yet another set of contradictions.
At the Last Supper, Jesus said that his disciples will scatter once he is taken away, but Peter protests that he won’t. Jesus tells Peter that he will disavow him three times before the rooster crows, and indeed that’s what happens.

But read the accounts, and the story differs in each of the gospels.
In Mark, Peter is accused of being one of Jesus’s followers by a slave girl, then the same girl again, and then a crowd of people (Mark 14:66–71).

In Matthew, it’s a slave girl, another slave girl, and then a crowd of people (Matthew 26:69–73).

In Luke, it’s a slave girl, a man, and then another man (Luke 22:54–60).

In John, it’s a girl at the door, several anonymous persons, and one of the high priest’s servants (John 18:15–17, 25–27)

We can try out a popular Christian tactic and try to resolve contradictory accounts by claiming that they’re both true. For example,
there were wise men (Matthew) and shepherds (Luke) at the birth of Jesus, there was one angel (Matthew and Mark) and a second angel (Luke and John) at the empty tomb, and
Mary Magdalene (John) and other women (the other gospels) went to the tomb.

Allowing for synonymous descriptions (Mark’s slave girl could’ve been John’s girl at the door, for example) and squashing these confrontations together, we have Peter denying Jesus to a slave girl, another slave girl, a crowd, a man, another man, and perhaps more. That’s a lot more than Jesus’s promised three.

God's inspired word does not contradict itself!