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Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by advocatejare(m): 12:31pm On Jan 24, 2020
Yes, it's true Jesus prostrated while praying, many prominent people did in the Bible.

Psalm 95:6
O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our maker.

Matthew 26:39
He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, “My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.”

Muslims always make reference to this to justify bowing down to praise God, there's no crime in doing so, in fact it is a very acceptable way of praying to God.

Now let's examine the verse above as quoted by @Empiree the same verse shows us that Jesus called God his father which Muslims always try to deny but they are always quick to quote the same verse to promote sujud.

Bowing down one's head to pray is acceptable in Christianity and it's one of the various ways one can praise or pray to Almighty God. Other ways include dancing, rolling on the floor, lifting up one's hand, singing and the rest. In fact, David was recorded to have danced to praise to God in the Bible.

Bowing down to praise/pray to God is acceptable only if you do it to worship the Almighty God and not a god confined to the East or inside the black box called Kaaba.

Almighty God declare as abomination Muslim way of praying, facing the East and bowing down towards the East, worshipping the Sun, Moon and Star like you do

Ezekiel 8:15-16
Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.

And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

As for the number of prayers that you observe in Islam, you were not commanded to observe such in the Quran. Muhammad simply copied the Persian(Zoroastrianism) mode of worship of 5 times daily prayer, Zoroastrians pray facing fire or any light source, you Muslims pray facing the East where the sun rises from.

And the number and times of prayer, he copied verbatim, copied the pagan mode of worship.

Check below to see how Muhammad plagiarized Zoroastrianism mode of praying.

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Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by Empiree: 9:45pm On Jan 24, 2020
advocatejare:
[s]Yes, it's true Jesus prostrated while praying, many prominent people did in the Bible.

Psalm 95:6
O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our maker.

Matthew 26:39
He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, “My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.”

Muslims always make reference to this to justify bowing down to praise God, there's no crime in doing so, in fact it is a very acceptable way of praying to God.

Now let's examine the verse above as quoted by @Empiree the same verse shows us that Jesus called God his father which Muslims always try to deny but they are always quick to quote the same verse to promote sujud.

Bowing down one's head to pray is acceptable in Christianity and it's one of the various ways one can praise or pray to Almighty God. Other ways include dancing, rolling on the floor, lifting up one's hand, singing and the rest. In fact, David was recorded to have danced to praise to God in the Bible.

Bowing down to praise/pray to God is acceptable only if you do it to worship the Almighty God and not a god confined to the East or inside the black box called Kaaba.

Almighty God declare as abomination Muslim way of praying, facing the East and bowing down towards the East, worshipping the Sun, Moon and Star like you do

Ezekiel 8:15-16
Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.

And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

As for the number of prayers that you observe in Islam, you were not commanded to observe such in the Quran. Muhammad simply copied the Persian(Zoroastrianism) mode of worship of 5 times daily prayer, Zoroastrians pray facing fire or any light source, you Muslims pray facing the East where the sun rises from.

And the number and times of prayer, he copied verbatim, copied the pagan mode of worship. [/s]
have you finished wit your dishonest "tafsir"?



Check below to see how Muhammad plagiarized Zoroastrianism mode of praying.
Salat did not start with prophet Muhammad. Salat had been legislated for Abraham.

[Quran 16:123] Then we inspired you (O Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham, monotheism; never was he an idol-worshiper.

[Quran 22:78] You shall strive in the cause of God as you should. He has blessed you, and imposed no hardship in your religion; the RELIGION OF YOUR FATHER ABRAHAM, It is He(ALLAH) who named you "Muslims" in the beginning. Thus, the messenger serves as witness among you, just as you serve as a witness among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Salat prayers, give the Zakat charity, and hold fast to God; He is your Lord; the best Lord, and the best supporter.


Logically, if prophet Muhammad(SAW) was a follower of Abraham, and we are followers of Muhammad(SAW), then we are followers of Abraham. What did we and Muhammad(SAW) learn from Abraham ?

The Quran teaches us that we learned ALL THE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES of Islam from Abraham. The whole Arabian society before and during the time of Muhammad(SAW) had many followers of the religion of Abraham. Thus Abu Lahab, Abu Jahl, and the idolaters of Quraish used to observe Salat prayers as we can see in 8:35.


[Quran 8:35] Their SALAT PRAYERS at the shrine were no more than deceit and repulsion. ...

So salat offered by zorostan was nothing not whispering and deceit and their belief system was corrupt before the advent of prophet Muhammad(SAW) who later corrected them.



Same Salat and Zakat was ordained for the children of Israel

[Quran 2:43] (O Children of Israel) you shall observe the SALAT PRAYERS & ZAKAT charity; you shall bow down with those who bow.



Here Abraham and his sons were commanded to offer Salat and Zakat. [Quran 21:72-73] And we granted him (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob as a gift, and we made them righteous. And we appointed them Imams who guide in accordance with our commandments. AND WE TAUGHT THEM RIGHTEOUS WORKS AND THE OBSERVANCE OF SALAT AND ZAKAT.

So your attempt to lure zorotians with islam is nothing but deceit on your side. Even Jesus was commanded by Allah to offer Salat and Zakat. Here is MORE PROOFS THAT SALAT OBSERVED BEFORE PROPHET MUHAMMAD -SAW.


[Quran 3:43] O Mary (Mariam), you shall obey your Lord, and shall prostrate and bow down with those who bow down.

[Quran 19:31] (Jesus said) God has made me blessed wherever I go, and He commanded me to observe the SALAT PRAYERS and ZAKAT charity for as long as I live.


But the Jews and Christians lost the SALAT PRAYERS, changed it and invented their own.

[Quran 19:59] Generations came thereafter who LOST the SALAT prayers, and pursued their lusts.

So, again,

[Quran 21:72-73] And we granted him (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob as a gift, and we made them righteous. And we appointed them Imams who guide in accordance with our commandments. AND WE TAUGHT THEM RIGHTEOUS WORKS AND THE OBSERVANCE OF SALAT AND ZAKAT.

All the nonsense you do in church today is nothing but play and jokes

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Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by advocatejare(m): 10:30pm On Jan 24, 2020
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Empiree:
have you finished wit your dishonest "tafsir"?



Salat did not start with prophet Muhammad. Salat had been legislated for Abraham.

[Quran 16:123] Then we inspired you (O Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham, monotheism; never was he an idol-worshiper.

[Quran 22:78] You shall strive in the cause of God as you should. He has blessed you, and imposed no hardship in your religion; the RELIGION OF YOUR FATHER ABRAHAM, It is He(ALLAH) who named you "Muslims" in the beginning. Thus, the messenger serves as witness among you, just as you serve as a witness among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Salat prayers, give the Zakat charity, and hold fast to God; He is your Lord; the best Lord, and the best supporter.


Logically, if prophet Muhammad(SAW) was a follower of Abraham, and we are followers of Muhammad(SAW), then we are followers of Abraham. What did we and Muhammad(SAW) learn from Abraham ?

The Quran teaches us that we learned ALL THE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES of Islam from Abraham. The whole Arabian society before and during the time of Muhammad(SAW) had many followers of the religion of Abraham. Thus Abu Lahab, Abu Jahl, and the idolaters of Quraish used to observe Salat prayers as we can see in 8:35.


[Quran 8:35] Their SALAT PRAYERS at the shrine were no more than deceit and repulsion. ...

So salat offered by zorostan was nothing not whispering and deceit and their belief system was corrupt before the advent of prophet Muhammad(SAW) who later corrected them.



Same Salat and Zakat was ordained for the children of Israel

[Quran 2:43] (O Children of Israel) you shall observe the SALAT PRAYERS & ZAKAT charity; you shall bow down with those who bow.



Here Abraham and his sons were commanded to offer Salat and Zakat. [Quran 21:72-73] And we granted him (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob as a gift, and we made them righteous. And we appointed them Imams who guide in accordance with our commandments. AND WE TAUGHT THEM RIGHTEOUS WORKS AND THE OBSERVANCE OF SALAT AND ZAKAT.

So your attempt to lure zorotians with islam is nothing but deceit on your side. Even Jesus was commanded by Allah to offer Salat and Zakat. Here is MORE PROOFS THAT SALAT OBSERVED BEFORE PROPHET MUHAMMAD -SAW.


[Quran 3:43] O Mary (Mariam), you shall obey your Lord, and shall prostrate and bow down with those who bow down.

[Quran 19:31] (Jesus said) God has made me blessed wherever I go, and He commanded me to observe the SALAT PRAYERS and ZAKAT charity for as long as I live.


But the Jews and Christians lost the SALAT PRAYERS, changed it and invented their own.

[Quran 19:59] Generations came thereafter who LOST the SALAT prayers, and pursued their lusts.

So, again,

[Quran 21:72-73] And we granted him (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob as a gift, and we made them righteous. And we appointed them Imams who guide in accordance with our commandments. AND WE TAUGHT THEM RIGHTEOUS WORKS AND THE OBSERVANCE OF SALAT AND ZAKAT.

All the nonsense you do in church today is nothing but play and jokes
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You think you can divert my attention away from the question I asked you?

Show me where it is written in the Quran that you should pray 5 times daily, the name of the prayer and when to observe them.

Just like Muhammad plagiarized the Bible, he plagiarized Zoroastrianism too.

He stole Hajj and circumambulation from the pagans

He retained kissing of the Blackstone and commanded you his followers to pray facing the Kaaba like the pagans did.

He imposed the Quarysh idol, Allah on you his followers made u retain the image of Hubal (crescent moon and star) at the top of your mosques minarets.

Muhammad confirmed that he was a false prophet. He was not a Jew, he himself put it in the Quran that only Jews could be prophets


وَلَقَدْ ءَاتَيْنَا بَنِىٓ إِسْرٰٓءِيلَ الْكِتٰبَ وَالْحُكْمَ وَالنُّبُوَّةَ وَرَزَقْنٰهُمْ مِّنَ الطَّيِّبٰتِ وَفَضَّلْنٰهُمْ عَلَى الْعٰلَمِينَ
"And We did certainly give the Children of Israel the Scripture and judgement and prophethood, and We provided them with good things and preferred them over the worlds."
(QS. Al-Jaathiya 45: Verse 16)

He failed his own test in the Quran, he was later cut in the aorta and died miserably on the top of a woman

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Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by Empiree: 11:17pm On Jan 24, 2020
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advocatejare:
[s][/s]

You think you can divert my attention away from the question I asked you?

Show me where it is written in the Quran that you should pray 5 times daily, the name of the prayer and when to observe them.

Just like Muhammad plagiarized the Bible, he plagiarized Zoroastrianism too.

He stole Hajj and circumambulation from the pagans

He retained kissing of the Blackstone and commanded you his followers to pray facing the Kaaba like the pagans did.

He imposed the Quarysh idol, Allah on you his followers made u retain the image of Hubal (crescent moon and star) at the top of your mosques minarets.

Muhammad confirmed that he was a false prophet. He was not a Jew, he himself put it in the Quran that only Jews could be prophets


وَلَقَدْ ءَاتَيْنَا بَنِىٓ إِسْرٰٓءِيلَ الْكِتٰبَ وَالْحُكْمَ وَالنُّبُوَّةَ وَرَزَقْنٰهُمْ مِّنَ الطَّيِّبٰتِ وَفَضَّلْنٰهُمْ عَلَى الْعٰلَمِينَ
"And We did certainly give the Children of Israel the Scripture and judgement and prophethood, and We provided them with good things and preferred them over the worlds."
(QS. Al-Jaathiya 45: Verse 16)

He failed his own test in the Quran, he was later cut in the aorta and died miserably on the top of a woman
Guy, you dont even understand the concept of SALAT how it was passed down and you are asking 5 daily prayers. like seriously?. Abraham (AS) made the religion permanent and it went on like that until Jesus which means they had different formats and the same religion(Islam) was perfected by prophet muhammad. If Pagan arabs were praying certain number of times a day before prophet muhammad it means they held onto remnants from what their prophets practiced. Like Moses and Jesus for instance, they prayed more than 5 times a day. Even report says that Zoroastrians you are talking about prayed more than 5 times a day. Another report says 7 times a day. Historic report has it that salat was coming from 50 times a day until prophet muhammad came it was reduced to 5 times bcuz prophet muhammad(SAW) is a mercy to the world. So what exactly is your problem?

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Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by advocatejare(m): 12:25am On Jan 25, 2020
Empiree:
[s] Guy, you dont even understand the concept of SALAT how it was passed down and you are asking 5 daily prayers. like seriously?. Abraham (AS) made the religion permanent and it went on like that until Jesus which means they had different formats and the same religion(Islam) was perfected by prophet muhammad. If Pagan arabs were praying certain number of times a day before prophet muhammad it means they held onto remnants from what their prophets practiced. Like Moses and Jesus for instance, they prayed more than 5 times a day. Even report says that Zoroastrians you are talking about prayed more than 5 times a day. Another report says 7 times a day. Historic report has it that salat was coming from 50 times a day until prophet muhammad came it was reduced to 5 times bcuz prophet muhammad(SAW) is a mercy to the world. So what exactly is your problem?

It's just funny how you people reason.

First, Muhammad could never have been a prophet because he was not a Jew. Only Jews are given the grace of prophethood.

Muhammad was only a false prophet. His lifestyles and the circumstances surrounding his death has confirmed that.

It was the tradition of the Jews to pray 3 times a day, and when Muhammad started copying them he was initially praying 3 times a day(that is why only 3 times daily prayer is mentioned in the Quran) until when the Jews rejected him for the false prophet he was and he then followed the path of the Zoroastrians so the lie you're telling about Muhammad helping you people to reduce prayers from 50 times to 5 is mere confabulation.

Muhammad plagiarized his so called heavenly accent from Zoroastrianism


"Heavenly ascent of prophet: Islam and Zoroastrianism both have the concept of the prophets traveling to heaven. The journey Isra and Mi'raj of Muhammad during night is very much similar to Arda Viraf’s night journey to heaven under the guidance of angel Sarosh. The story is also similar that the winged horse like creature with a human head, Buraq carried Muhammad in his night journey while Barag, the Persion equivalent of it did the same for Arda Viraf."

It was during this same heavenly accent he stole from Zoroastrians that Muhammad claimed he went to negotiate the number of times of daily prayer for you people.

And it's like you're thinking that Zoroastrianism believe in your own god. They have their own god called Ahura Mazda and they have their own prophet called Zoroaster. So don't drag them into your fictious beliefs!

Everything about Islam is lies, plagiarism and confabulation!

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Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by Empiree: 2:49am On Jan 25, 2020
advocatejare:


It's just funny how you people reason.

First, Muhammad could never have been a prophet because he was not a Jew. Only Jews are given the grace of prophethood.
Now that you are cornered you retorted to this old tactic "Muhammad could never be a prophet because he was not a Jew." but your own Bible refuted your claim.

In the book of Matthew 21:19-21, Jesus spoke of the fruitless fig tree (A Biblical symbol of prophetic heritage) to be cleared after being given the last chance of three years ( the duration of Jesus' ministry) to give fruit. In a later verse in the same chapter, Jesus said "Therefore, say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruit thereof" (Matthew 21:43). That nation of Ishmael's descendants (the rejected stone in Matthew 21:42) which was victorious against all super-powers of its time as prophesied by Jesus: "And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken, but on whosoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder" Matthew (21:44).

So this bible verse clearly shows a shift of prophethood from the Jews(failure) to the Arabs(success)


Muhammad was only a false prophet. His lifestyles and the circumstances surrounding his death has confirmed that.

It was the tradition of the Jews to pray 3 times a day, and when Muhammad started copying them he was initially praying 3 times a day(that is why only 3 times daily prayer is mentioned in the Quran) until when the Jews rejected him for the false prophet he was and he then followed the path of the Zoroastrians so the lie you're telling about Muhammad helping you people to reduce prayers from 50 times to 5 is mere confabulation.



Muhammad plagiarized his so called heavenly accent from Zoroastrianism


"Heavenly ascent of prophet: Islam and Zoroastrianism both have the concept of the prophets traveling to heaven. The journey Isra and Mi'raj of Muhammad during night is very much similar to Arda Viraf’s night journey to heaven under the guidance of angel Sarosh. The story is also similar that the winged horse like creature with a human head, Buraq carried Muhammad in his night journey while Barag, the Persion equivalent of it did the same for Arda Viraf."

It was during this same heavenly accent he stole from Zoroastrians that Muhammad claimed he went to negotiate the number of times of daily prayer for you people.

And it's like you're thinking that Zoroastrianism believe in your own god. They have their own god called Ahura Mazda and they have their own prophet called Zoroaster. So don't drag them into your fictious beliefs!

Everything about Islam is lies, plagiarism and confabulation!
irrelevant and fruitless agitation cheesy shocked
Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by advocatejare(m): 7:32am On Jan 25, 2020
Empiree:

Now that you are cornered you retorted to this old tactic "Muhammad could never be a prophet because he was not a Jew." but your own Bible refuted your claim.
Now that you are cornered you retorted to this old tactic "Muhammad could never be a prophet because he was not a Jew." but your own Bible refuted your claim.
grin Oh so you believe in the Bible now?
Your God himself told you in the Quran that only the children of Israel are given the scriptures and prophethood. And since Muhammad was not a Jew he couldn't have been a prophet according to the standard set in the Quran

وَلَقَدْ ءَاتَيْنَا بَنِىٓ إِسْرٰٓءِيلَ الْكِتٰبَ وَالْحُكْمَ وَالنُّبُوَّةَ وَرَزَقْنٰهُمْ مِّنَ الطَّيِّبٰتِ وَفَضَّلْنٰهُمْ عَلَى الْعٰلَمِينَ
"And We did certainly give the Children of Israel the Scripture and judgement and prophethood, and We provided them with good things and preferred them over the worlds."
(QS. Al-Jaathiya 45: Verse 16)

Muhammad was only a fabricator and a false prophet

No true prophet of Almighty God lived such a miserable and filthy life that Muhammad lived.

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Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by advocatejare(m): 7:57am On Jan 25, 2020
Empiree:

In the book of Matthew 21:19-21, Jesus spoke of the fruitless fig tree (A Biblical symbol of prophetic heritage) to be cleared after being given the last chance of three years ( the duration of Jesus' ministry) to give fruit. In a later verse in the same chapter, Jesus said "Therefore, say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruit thereof" (Matthew 21:43). That nation of Ishmael's descendants (the rejected stone in Matthew 21:42) which was victorious against all super-powers of its time as prophesied by Jesus: "And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken, but on whosoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder" Matthew (21:44).

So this bible verse clearly shows a shift of prophethood from the Jews(failure) to the Arabs(success)
The nation bringing up good fruits are the non Israel nations that are doing the will of God, that accept Jesus as the son of God the most high.

That is why in the Book of Revelation it was revealed that only 144,000 Jews will enter Paradise the other multitudes are from other nations.

Revelation 7:4
"And I heard how many were marked with the seal of God—144,000 were sealed from all the tribes of Israel:"

Revelation 7:9-10
After this I saw a vast crowd, too great to count, from every nation and tribe and people and language, standing in front of the throne and before the Lamb. They were clothed in white robes and held palm branches in their hands.

And they were shouting with a great roar, “Salvation comes from our God who sits on the throne and from the Lamb!”

As you can see above, the Jews allowed salvation to slip away from their hands, all of them were supposed to be in paradise but since they refused to accept Jesus as the Messiah, only a handful of them that accepted him(144,000 will make it to heaven)

The Holy Heaven of God will be inhabited by we from other nations of the world that accept Jesus as the son of God that came to die for the sin of the world.

Jesus the lamb of God who took away the sin of the world.

Matthew 1:21
And she will have a son, and you are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”

John 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

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Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by Empiree: 8:06am On Jan 25, 2020
advocatejare:

grin Oh so you believe in the Bible now?
Your God himself told you in the Quran that only the children of Israel are given the scriptures and prophethood. And since Muhammad was not a Jew he couldn't have been a prophet according to the standard set in the Quran

وَلَقَدْ ءَاتَيْنَا بَنِىٓ إِسْرٰٓءِيلَ الْكِتٰبَ وَالْحُكْمَ وَالنُّبُوَّةَ وَرَزَقْنٰهُمْ مِّنَ الطَّيِّبٰتِ وَفَضَّلْنٰهُمْ عَلَى الْعٰلَمِينَ
"And We did certainly give the Children of Israel the Scripture and judgement and prophethood, and We provided them with good things and preferred them over the worlds."
(QS. Al-Jaathiya 45: Verse 16)

Muhammad was only a fabricator and a false prophet

No true prophet of Almighty God lived such a miserable and filthy life that Muhammad lived.
in the verse you quoted, where does it say ONLY children of Israel are given the scriptures and prophethood?.

Allah sent messangers to every nation on Earth. And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], "Worship Allah and avoid Taghut." Quran 16:36
Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by advocatejare(m): 8:09am On Jan 25, 2020
Empiree:
in the verse you quoted, where does it say ONLY children of Israel are given the scriptures and prophethood?.

Allah sent messangers to every nation on Earth. And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], "Worship Allah and avoid Taghut." Quran 16:36
Which messenger was sent to Russia, Nigeria, Ghana, UK, and the rest of the nations?

List the prophet that each nations of the world have and I will show you that only Israel have Prophets, any other nations that claim to have prophets have false prophet like Muhammad
Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by Empiree: 8:09am On Jan 25, 2020
advocatejare:

The nation bringing up good fruits are the non Israel nations that are doing the will of God, that accept Jesus as the son of God the most high.
you shot yourself in the foot. So Arabs aren't Israelites and you confirmed that those nations would believe in Jesus and Arabs and musims believe in Jesus. Case closed
Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by Empiree: 8:13am On Jan 25, 2020
advocatejare:
Which messenger was sent to Russia, Nigeria, Ghana, UK, and the rest of the nations?
this verse answered you. Some of these Messengers are mentioned in the Qur'ân by Allah and some of them are not as the Qur'ân says:

And, indeed We have sent Messengers before you (O Muhammad(P)); of some of them We have related to you their story and of some We have not related to you their story, and it was not given to any Messenger that he should bring a sign except by the Leave of Allah. So, when comes the Commandment of Allah, the matter will be decided with truth, and the followers of falsehood will then be lost. (Qur'ân 40:78)



List the prophet that each nations of the world have and I will show you that only Israel have Prophets, any other nations that claim to have prophets have false prophet like Muhammad
implication here is that you aren't Israelite. You are Nigerian, perhaps. So what's your business with them?.
Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by advocatejare(m): 8:33am On Jan 25, 2020
Empiree:
you shot yourself in the foot. So Arabs aren't Israelites and you confirmed that those nations would believe in Jesus and Arabs and musims believe in Jesus. Case closed
Eeyah. Now I know that you have much to learn, I initially thought you have sound knowledge of the religion before that was why I was conversing with you on high standard.

Now lemme come down to your level so that you can understand.

You asked if Arabs aren't Israelites. No, Arabs are not Israelites! Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael.

Abraham's only wife was Sarah. Sarah had a slave called Hagar. When Sarah couldn't conceive on time she gave her slave Hagar to Abraham to sleep with and Hagar gave birth to Ishmael.

But God had promised Abraham and Sarah that they will give birth to a son together and it is through that son that all the promises to Abraham will be fulfilled.

And as God promised, Sarah gave birth to Isaac and Isaac later gave birth to Jacob, Jacob was later named Israel by God. Jacob / Israel had 12 children that later became the 12 tribes of Israel.

Arab nation was from Ishmael the son of the slave woman, Hagar. That slave mentality didn't leave Ishmael forever, that's why all his descendants both physical (Arab nations,) and spiritual (Muslims) still call themselves slaves of God because you're actually slaves. Muhammad was a descendant of Ishmael not Israel

The Sonship mentality never left the descendants of Isaac/Jacob(Israel) that's why all their descendants both physical (Jews) and spiritual (Christians) remain children of God.


As for belief in Jesus. You must believe that Jesus is the only begotten son of God. Begotten because according to the Quran God's spirit was blew into Mary and she got pregnant with Jesus and because Jesus was born from a woman after conception by the spirit of God.

Adam was not a begotten son of God because even though God formed Adam from clay and then breathed life into him, Abraham was not born of a woman.

So Jesus remain the only begotten Son of God. So to be saved you must believe that and you must believe that Jesus was crucified and that he died for your sins.

If you don't believe this about Jesus, then whoever you believe in is an Antichrist!

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Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by advocatejare(m): 8:44am On Jan 25, 2020
Empiree:
this verse answered you. Some of these Messengers are mentioned in the Qur'ân by Allah and some of them are not as the Qur'ân says:

And, indeed We have sent Messengers before you (O Muhammad(P)); of some of them We have related to you their story and of some We have not related to you their story, and it was not given to any Messenger that he should bring a sign except by the Leave of Allah. So, when comes the Commandment of Allah, the matter will be decided with truth, and the followers of falsehood will then be lost. (Qur'ân 40:78)



implication here is that you aren't Israelite. You are Nigerian, perhaps. So what's your business with them?.

That's to tell you that Allah is a fraud created by Muhammad to deceive people.
If Allah said he has sent messengers to all nation and we then ask him to show us the prophet he sent to all nations and he suddenly retrace his steps by saying that he didn't reveal everything to Muhammad.

He didn't need to reveal everything to Muhammad, at least there's no mention of Isaiah in the Quran and Isaiah was a prophet in the Bible, so if there are other prophets too, we would have known. Allah and Muhammad are just pathological liars and they are fraud.


You asked me what my business is with the Israelites? I've answered you, they are the one given the scriptures and prophethood to guide mankind to the right path and Jesus Christ my saviour was delivered by a Jewess called Mary.
Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by AntiChristian: 9:21am On Jan 25, 2020
advocatejare:

Eeyah. Now I know that you have much to learn, I initially thought you have sound knowledge of the religion before that was why I was conversing with you on high standard.

Now lemme come down to your level so that you can understand.

You asked if Arabs aren't Israelites. No, Arabs are not Israelites! Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael.

Abraham's only wife was Sarah. Sarah had a slave called Hagar. When Sarah couldn't conceive on time she gave her slave Hagar to Abraham to sleep with and Hagar gave birth to Ishmael.

But God had promised Abraham and Sarah that they will give birth to a son together and it is through that son that all the promises to Abraham will be fulfilled.

And as God promised, Sarah gave birth to Isaac and Isaac later gave birth to Jacob, Jacob was later named Israel by God. Jacob / Israel had 12 children that later became the 12 tribes of Israel.

Arab nation was from Ishmael the son of the slave woman, Hagar. That slave mentality didn't leave Ishmael forever, that's why all his descendants both physical (Arab nations,) and spiritual (Muslims) still call themselves slaves of God because you're actually slaves. Muhammad was a descendant of Ishmael not Israel

The Sonship mentality never left the descendants of Isaac/Jacob(Israel) that's why all their descendants both physical (Jews) and spiritual (Christians) remain children of God.


As for belief in Jesus. You must believe that Jesus is the only begotten son of God. Begotten because according to the Quran God's spirit was blew into Mary and she got pregnant with Jesus and because Jesus was born from a woman after conception by the spirit of God.

Adam was not a begotten son of God because even though God formed Adam from clay and then breathed life into him, Abraham was not born of a woman.

So Jesus remain the only begotten Son of God. So to be saved you must believe that and you must believe that Jesus was crucified and that he died for your sins.

If you don't believe this about Jesus, then whoever you believe in is an Antichrist!

This is your God's fault. Your God delayed giving Abraham a son till Abraham the father of faith lost his faith and slept with his wife's slave according to the Bible. The Bible Lord was a partial God as we know. The sleeping together of Abraham & Hagar was approved by the Lord, yet the offspring was rejected by the Biblical God.

I am surprised that you can claim what your God did here was good to Hagar & his son because they were slaves And that has reduced their humanity with God! Abraham slept with Hagar without marrying her in a formal marriage but you keep blaming Muhammad for sleeping with his slaves!

If Abraham was a Jew then isn't Ishmael too a Jew? Why did your God had to approve the fertilization?

Adam was a clay with the Word of Allah "Be". Jesus was the word of Allah breathe in to Mary! Jesus has a Mother just as Eve has no father but Adam had no parents!
Adam is more begotten than your Jesus!

And lastly can you mention a verse of the Bible that Mary believed Jesus to be God that came to die for her?

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Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by advocatejare(m): 9:25am On Jan 25, 2020
AntiChristian:


This is your God's fault. Your God delayed giving Abraham a son till Abraham the father of faith lost his faith and slept with his wife's slave according to the Bible. The Bible Lord was a partial God as we know. The sleeping together of Abraham & Hagar was approved by the Lord, yet the offspring was rejected by the Biblical God.

I am surprised that you can claim what your God did here was good to Hagar & his son because they were slaves And that has reduced their humanity with God! Abraham slept with Hagar without marrying her in a formal marriage but you keep blaming Muhammad for sleeping with his slaves!

If Abraham was a Jew then isn't Ishmael too a Jew? Why did your God had to approve the fertilization?

Adam was a clay with the Word of Allah "Be". Jesus was the word of Allah breathe in to Mary! Jesus has a Mother just as Eve has no father but Adam had no parents!
Adam is more begotten than your Jesus!

And lastly can you mention a verse of the Bible that Mary believed Jesus to be God that came to die for her?
Your friend @Empiree said Arabs are Israelites, and I've taught him that they are not.

But if you're now claiming that Arabs are Jews because Abraham was Jew then it means all the curses that Muhammad placed on Jews are meant for Arabs, since you're claiming now that Arabs are Jews.
Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by Bruno3000(m): 10:22am On Jan 25, 2020
AntiChristian:


This is your God's fault. Your God delayed giving Abraham a son till Abraham the father of faith lost his faith and slept with his wife's slave according to the Bible. The Bible Lord was a partial God as we know. The sleeping together of Abraham & Hagar was approved by the Lord, yet the offspring was rejected by the Biblical God.

I am surprised that you can claim what your God did here was good to Hagar & his son because they were slaves And that has reduced their humanity with God! Abraham slept with Hagar without marrying her in a formal marriage but you keep blaming Muhammad for sleeping with his slaves!

If Abraham was a Jew then isn't Ishmael too a Jew? Why did your God had to approve the fertilization?

Adam was a clay with the Word of Allah "Be". Jesus was the word of Allah breathe in to Mary! Jesus has a Mother just as Eve has no father but Adam had no parents!
Adam is more begotten than your Jesus!

And lastly can you mention a verse of the Bible that Mary believed Jesus to be God that came to die for her?
You have a lot to learn about Islam and Christianity.
Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by AntiChristian: 11:34am On Jan 25, 2020
advocatejare:
Yes, it's true Jesus prostrated while praying, many prominent people did in the Bible.

Psalm 95:6
O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our maker.

Matthew 26:39
He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, “My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.”

Muslims always make reference to this to justify bowing down to praise God, there's no crime in doing so, in fact it is a very acceptable way of praying to God.

Now let's examine the verse above as quoted by @Empiree the same verse shows us that Jesus called God his father which Muslims always try to deny but they are always quick to quote the same verse to promote sujud.

Bowing down one's head to pray is acceptable in Christianity and it's one of the various ways one can praise or pray to Almighty God. Other ways include dancing, rolling on the floor, lifting up one's hand, singing and the rest. In fact, David was recorded to have danced to praise to God in the Bible.
1. Jesus bowed as a form of worship. Can you mention where Jesus was seen dancing, rolling on the floor, singing.... and clapping in the NT.
2. Why copy the forms of worship used during the period of the Law when Jesus brought a new dispensation ?

advocatejare:

Bowing down to praise/pray to God is acceptable only if you do it to worship the Almighty God and not a god confined to the East or inside the black box called Kaaba.
Allah is over the heaven and above His throne! as affirmed in Taa Haa vs 5!
An example of an approval of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) which indicates that Allah is exalted and high is the hadeeth (report) concerning the young slave girl, to whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "Where is Allah?" She said: "In heaven." He asked, "Who am I?" She said, "The Messenger of Allah." So he said to her master: "Set her free, for she is a believer."

This young girl was uneducated, as many are, and she was a slave, but she knew that her Lord is above heaven. Some misguided people deny that Allah is above heaven, and say, "He is neither above nor below; neither to the right nor to the left. He is everywhere!"

advocatejare:

Almighty God declare as abomination Muslim way of praying, facing the East and bowing down towards the East, worshipping the Sun, Moon and Star like you do

Ezekiel 8:15-16
Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.

And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
This is a big lie! Why quote from the Testament of law that has been canceled and replace with the New Testament. Even the context of the verses you quote was not referring to Muslims or our form of worship!

And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming. (Qur'an 21:33)

See Daniel below facing Jerusalem while praying like a Zoroastrian like you said!
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before. Daniel 6:10

advocatejare:

As for the number of prayers that you observe in Islam, you were not commanded to observe such in the Quran. Muhammad simply copied the Persian(Zoroastrianism) mode of worship of 5 times daily prayer, Zoroastrians pray facing fire or any light source, you Muslims pray facing the East where the sun rises from.
And the number and times of prayer, he copied verbatim, copied the pagan mode of worship.
Check below to see how Muhammad plagiarized Zoroastrianism mode of praying.


See Daniel below facing Jerusalem while praying like a Zoroastrian like you said!
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before. Daniel 6:10

You have been quoting Qur'an and Hadith before in your arguments so why remove hadith now to satisfy your selfish lying attitude!
The Qur'an mentions Salah and the Hadiths fully described it.

Mind you, we face the Qibla not the east or the Sun!

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Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by AntiChristian: 11:36am On Jan 25, 2020
The prayer was enjoined on the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) in the heavens on the night of Mi'raaj (Ascension), and he did not take it from Zoroastrianism. The Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) was illiterate, and he was not a traveler so that he would know the cultures or matters of other nations at his time or before his time.

If, by any chance, there is something in the false religions that conforms to what Islam came with, then this does not mean that Islam took it from them; rather, this means that it is those false religions which copied it from the heavenly messages that preceded them.

The message of Islam which was brought by our Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) is an extension of the message of Islam brought by the previous Prophets and Messengers before him, although their legislations may be different; Allah says (what means): {Say (O Muhammad): I am not a new thing among the Messengers…} [Quran 46:9]

Ibn Katheer may Allaah have mercy upon him said, “It means: I am not the first Messenger who ever came to the world. Rather, Messengers came before me. Therefore, I am not an unprecedented incident that should cause you all to reject me and doubt my being sent to you.”

The one who studies certain beliefs and acts of worship in Zoroastrianism will definitely find out that they took them from some of the previous divine Messages. It is Zoroastrianism which took from what the Prophets and Messengers had brought. Zoroaster himself, who founded that false religion, was known before founding it to travel around and study the ancient beliefs of people, then he founded that religion.

The Arabic International Encyclopedia reads about him, “He was an Iranian (Persian or Parsi as he was also known) who was born in about 628 BC in Azerbaijan and emigrated to Bachter. After a period of traveling around and a life of contemplation in the old beliefs of the people – as the followers of this religion claim – a book called Avesta was revealed to him…”

Among the beliefs that he excerpted [from other revelations], for example, is the existence of the afterlife in which people will be resurrected to be taken to account and that they would pass over a river of fire.

The Arabic International Encyclopedia reads about the beliefs of this religion, “Zoroastrians also believe in life after death, where the spirits will unite with the bodies and the people will be resurrected for account. They also claim that everyone is going to cross a river of fire; the wicked will perish in it, and evil will end from existence...”

There is no doubt that the origin of this came in previous divine Messages, although it arrived in a distorted way to Zoroastrianism, or it is that they distorted it.
The Arabic International Encyclopedia also reads about Zoroastrianism, “Zoroaster ordered his followers to pray in front of the fire ... They pray five times a day: at sunrise, at noon, at sunset, at midnight and at dawn. They pray standing ... before the prayer they purify themselves; purification is a weapon against evil for them, because it is a source of contamination...”

The origin of prayer and purity is something that came in the previous legislations of the Prophets and Messengers; it is likely that Zoroaster took those beliefs or acts of worship from the remains of the religion of Ibraaheem (Abraham), may Allah exalt his mention.
Ibraaheem, may Allah exalt his mention, was the father of the Prophets, and most historians estimate that he lived between 1700 to 2000 BC, which means before Zoroaster by more than 1000 years.

The prayer and purification existed in the legislation of Ibraaheem, may Allah exalt his mention. Abu Hurayrah, may Allah be pleased with him, narrated that the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) said in the story of Ibraaheem:

“Ibraaheem entered a village where there was a king or a tyrant. (The king) was told that Ibraaheem had entered (the village) accompanied by a woman who was one of the most charming women. So the king sent for Ibraaheem and asked, ‘Who is this lady accompanying you?’ Ibraaheem replied, ‘She is my sister (i.e. in religion).’ Then Ibraaheem returned to her and said, ‘Do not contradict my statement, for I have informed them that you are my sister. By Allah, there are no true believers on this land except you and I.’ Then Ibraaheem sent her to the king. When the king got to her, she got up and performed ablution, prayed and said, ‘O Allah! If I have believed in You and Your Prophet and have saved my private parts from everybody except my husband, then please do not let this pagan overpower me...’” [Ahmad, al-Bukhaari and Muslim]

The wording of the story in Muslim is as follows:
“....and Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) stood in prayer. When she visited him (the tyrant king), he could not help but stretch his hand towards her and his hand was tied up. He said, ‘Supplicate to Allah so that He may release my hand and I will do no harm to you...’”

This story proves that the prayer and purification existed in the legislation of Ibraaheem (Abraham). So if some of this is found in a false religion, then it means that this religion took it from the legislation of the former Prophets, such as the legislation of Ibraaheem, may Allah exalt his mention.

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Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by AntiChristian: 11:38am On Jan 25, 2020
Bruno3000:
You have a lot to learn about Islam and Christianity.
No man is an island of knowledge before. I can't know all.
You can open the learning floor with your own knowledge of Islam and Christianity!
Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by AntiChristian: 11:39am On Jan 25, 2020
advocatejare:
Your friend @Empiree said Arabs are Israelites, and I've taught him that they are not.

But if you're now claiming that Arabs are Jews because Abraham was Jew then it means all the curses that Muhammad placed on Jews are meant for Arabs, since you're claiming now that Arabs are Jews.

You are just too good in diversion tactics but as you know it doesn't work on me. The present day Israel has about 75% of its people of Jewish origin.

Abraham was a Jew by race as well as Isaac and Isma'eel. Isma'eel became mixed with the Arab by virtue of migration and marriage!

Now revert to the topic!
Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by Empiree: 1:48pm On Jan 25, 2020
advocatejare:

Eeyah. Now I know that you have much to learn, I initially thought you have sound knowledge of the religion before that was why I was conversing with you on high standard.

guy, where did I ask you "Arabs aren't israelite"?.
Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by Empiree: 1:52pm On Jan 25, 2020
advocatejare:


That's to tell you that Allah is a fraud created by Muhammad to deceive people.
If Allah said he has sent messengers to all nation and we then ask him to show us the prophet he sent to all nations and he suddenly retrace his steps by saying that he didn't reveal everything to Muhammad.

He didn't need to reveal everything to Muhammad, at least there's no mention of Isaiah in the Quran and Isaiah was a prophet in the Bible, so if there are other prophets too, we would have known. Allah and Muhammad are just pathological liars and they are fraud.


You asked me what my business is with the Israelites? I've answered you, they are the one given the scriptures and prophethood to guide mankind to the right path and Jesus Christ my saviour was delivered by a Jewess called Mary.
and did they guide mankind?. No, they failed and kingdom and prophet good was taken away from them an be given to Arabs. Jews were the chosen people AT THEIR TIME. Now there is nothing like "chosen people" anymore. It is now BELIEVERS
Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by Empiree: 1:54pm On Jan 25, 2020
advocatejare:
Your friend @Empiree said Arabs are Israelites, and I've taught him that they are not.

But if you're now claiming that Arabs are Jews because Abraham was Jew then it means all the curses that Muhammad placed on Jews are meant for Arabs, since you're claiming now that Arabs are Jews.
Guy, why did you lie about me?. Where did I say Arabs are Israelites?
Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by advocatejare(m): 2:16pm On Jan 25, 2020
Empiree:
Guy, why did you lie about me?. Where did I say Arabs are Israelites?
Scroll up and read your write up again
Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by advocatejare(m): 2:20pm On Jan 25, 2020
Empiree:
and did they guide mankind?. No, they failed and kingdom and prophet good was taken away from them an be given to Arabs. Jews were the chosen people AT THEIR TIME. Now there is nothing like "chosen people" anymore. It is now BELIEVERS
They are still the preferred people. Only believe in Jesus makes us Co heir with Jesus and makes us equal with the Jews in terms of God's preference. However you Muslims remain slaves and slaves forever. And your leader Muhammad said he didn't know what will be done to him, he also claimed he was nothing original among the messengers. He was fake. Quran 46:9

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Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by advocatejare(m): 2:26pm On Jan 25, 2020
AntiChristian:


You are just too good in diversion tactics but as you know it doesn't work on me. The present day Israel has about 75% of its people of Jewish origin.

Abraham was a Jew by race as well as Isaac and Isma'eel. Isma'eel became mixed with the Arab by virtue of migration and marriage!

Now revert to the topic!
Your claim that Ishmael is Jew is noted. It only means all the evil Muhammad and you Muslims wish on Jews is your portion.
Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by advocatejare(m): 2:30pm On Jan 25, 2020
AntiChristian:

1. Jesus bowed as a form of worship. Can you mention where Jesus was seen dancing, rolling on the floor, singing.... and clapping in the NT.
2. Why copy the forms of worship used during the period of the Law when Jesus brought a new dispensation ?


Allah is over the heaven and above His throne! as affirmed in Taa Haa vs 5!
An example of an approval of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) which indicates that Allah is exalted and high is the hadeeth (report) concerning the young slave girl, to whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "Where is Allah?" She said: "In heaven." He asked, "Who am I?" She said, "The Messenger of Allah." So he said to her master: "Set her free, for she is a believer."

This young girl was uneducated, as many are, and she was a slave, but she knew that her Lord is above heaven. Some misguided people deny that Allah is above heaven, and say, "He is neither above nor below; neither to the right nor to the left. He is everywhere!"


This is a big lie! Why quote from the Testament of law that has been canceled and replace with the New Testament. Even the context of the verses you quote was not referring to Muslims or our form of worship!

And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming. (Qur'an 21:33)

See Daniel below facing Jerusalem while praying like a Zoroastrian like you said!
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before. Daniel 6:10



See Daniel below facing Jerusalem while praying like a Zoroastrian like you said!
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before. Daniel 6:10

You have been quoting Qur'an and Hadith before in your arguments so why remove hadith now to satisfy your selfish lying attitude!
The Qur'an mentions Salah and the Hadiths fully described it.

Mind you, we face the Qibla not the east or the Sun!


You face Qibla located in the East, inside which your fallen angel (Black stone) is located.

If your God is not confined to the East why is it that if you don't face the East your prayers can't answer, if you don't position your slaughter animal to the direction of the Qibla your sacrifice is not accepted.

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Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by Birniwa(m): 2:49pm On Jan 25, 2020
advocatejare:
You face Qibla located in the East, inside which your fallen angel (Black stone) is located.

If your God is not confined to the East why is it that if you don't face the East your prayers can't answer, if you don't position your slaughter animal to the direction of the Qibla your sacrifice is not accepted.

Let me clear for you, a fact you don't know. The direction of the Qibla (where Muslims face to pray or offer sacrifice) depends on your location on the surface of the earth. While some muslims face East, others don't just like how one side of the Earth sees day light, and the other side sees darkness.

If you take a look at any world map, there is what they call longitude and latitude. Some parts of the world live East of the Greenwich and the other part live West of the Greenwich. Nigeria is situated East of the Greenwich.Likewise Saudi Arabia that's why we face East when we want to pray. Muslims in America don't face East when they want to pray because they live West of the Greenwich. Literally we don't face East, we face North East that is 90degrees East of the Greenwich. I studied map reading very well in secondary school that's how i came about this.

Allah said in Quran 2:148-149);
“For every nation there is a direction to which they face (in their prayers). So hasten towards all that is good. Wheresoever you may be, God will bring you together (on the Day of Resurrection). Truly, God is Able to do all things. And from wheresoever you start forth (for prayers), turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Mecca), that is indeed the truth from your Lord. And God is not unaware of what you do.”

Unlike Trinity for some Christians, in Islam it's One God, One Religion, One People so we're encouraged to face One Direction to pray just to show the unity in Islam.

Islam is a religion of unity. Muslims are united by their belief in One God. They are one brotherhood united in the language and ritual of prayer and united by the direction of their worship. For this same reason, 1.5 billion Muslims in the world today, face same direction to pray.

In another verse of the Quran 2:115; And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah . Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing..

Like I mention before, facing the east to pray isn't what matters, what matters is to bring Muslims on one thing which is peace and unity.
Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by advocatejare(m): 3:37pm On Jan 25, 2020
Birniwa:


Let me clear for you, a fact you don't know. The direction of the Qibla (where Muslims face to pray or offer sacrifice) depends on your location on the surface of the earth. While some muslims face East, others don't just like how one side of the Earth sees day light, and the other side sees darkness.

If you take a look at any world map, there is what they call longitude and latitude. Some parts of the world live East of the Greenwich and the other part live West of the Greenwich. Nigeria is situated East of the Greenwich.Likewise Saudi Arabia that's why we face East when we want to pray. Muslims in America don't face East when they want to pray because they live West of the Greenwich. Literally we don't face East, we face North East that is 90degrees East of the Greenwich. I studied map reading very well in secondary school that's how i came about this.

Allah said in Quran 2:148-149);
“For every nation there is a direction to which they face (in their prayers). So hasten towards all that is good. Wheresoever you may be, God will bring you together (on the Day of Resurrection). Truly, God is Able to do all things. And from wheresoever you start forth (for prayers), turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Mecca), that is indeed the truth from your Lord. And God is not unaware of what you do.”

Unlike Trinity for some Christians, in Islam it's One God, One Religion, One People so we're encouraged to face One Direction to pray just to show the unity in Islam.

Islam is a religion of unity. Muslims are united by their belief in One God. They are one brotherhood united in the language and ritual of prayer and united by the direction of their worship. For this same reason, 1.5 billion Muslims in the world today, face same direction to pray.

In another verse of the Quran 2:115; And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah . Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing..

Like I mention before, facing the east to pray isn't what matters, what matters is to bring Muslims on one thing which is peace and unity.
your god is limited to one direction, if you don't face that direction he cant answer your prayers, my God is everywhere, he's omnipresent, he's not limited by direction or anything i don't need to face any direction to pray to him, my God is not a fallen meteorite, a black stone that you all go to Mecca to kiss. My God is Yahweh. I don't worship 3 gods. My God is One, He Has Jesus Christ as the only begotten Son

Your god is Allah the idol of the Quarysh, the Blackstone of the Kaaba

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Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by AntiChristian: 3:40pm On Jan 25, 2020
advocatejare:
You face Qibla located in the East, inside which your fallen angel (Black stone) is located.

If your God is not confined to the East why is it that if you don't face the East your prayers can't answer, if you don't position your slaughter animal to the direction of the Qibla your sacrifice is not accepted.

Please keep shut if you have nothing more to say! Daniel face Jerusalem, was his Lord in Jerusalem? Some questions from you are so repetitive and silly!

Facing the Qibla is a requirement of the Prayer. The Prophet faced Jerusalem (Masjid Al-Aqsa) before he was commanded to face the Qibla! And Jerusalem, Masjid An-Nabawi and Al Haram are the three main Muslim Masaajid.

Allah says:
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and each and every act of obedience to Allah, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masakin (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and gives the Zakat, and who fulfill their covenant when they make it, and who are As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.) in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of fighting (during the battles). Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqun (pious - see V. 2:2). Al Baqarah vs 177.
Re: Jesus Performed Sujud(ﺳُﺠﻮﺩ) While Praying, Christians Should Do The Same. by AntiChristian: 3:43pm On Jan 25, 2020
advocatejare:
Your claim that Ishmael is Jew is noted. It only means all the evil Muhammad and you Muslims wish on Jews is your portion.

The Jews have a long history of evil against Muslims. Allah's curse be upon them....

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