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Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by dboss12(m): 2:00am On Feb 19, 2020 |
Dedetwo: ibos civil servants stole money from the federal government and flet to the eastern region and were praising ojukwu for saving them from facing trial. read your history book Ibo bush boy and stop arguing unnecessarily. 3 Likes |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by LegendHero(m): 2:26am On Feb 19, 2020 |
Nowenuse: You this plateau boy/man. You have been enslaved by the Fulanis with a battered image coupled with a lost sense of honor such that you have failed to recognize you will always be seen as a northerner. You believe slaving for the Igbos and attacking the Yorubas that are far above anything you or your tribe represent in all facets of life will elevate your lowlife status. What is Yoruba sin against you or your tribe. Haven’t we discussed this and settled this matter. You are a religious bigot, a kind of a Berom cannibal that is no different from those you chose to rid yourself from. Lastly, the mighty Yorubas don’t even know if your whole tribe exists on the face of the earth, let alone a nobody like you. Continue your hate! 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by Area4Area: 3:40am On Feb 19, 2020 |
Rossippi:You have every right to be who you are irrespective of what these minions feel, their feelings or perception changes nothing nor rewrites your DNA. I had stopped obliging any nitwit questioning my person nor origin all because of my political stand. Try to ignore them next time, you own nobody no apology nor explanation. 3 Likes |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by Area4Area: 3:45am On Feb 19, 2020 |
Dedetwo:I expected some explanation on the part you bolded but you said nothing 1 Like |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by wirinet(m): 6:03am On Feb 19, 2020 |
Rossippi:You just summarised what the whole conflict was about, a personality and ego clash between Ojukwu and Gowon against a back drop of the confusion arising from the 2 coups. 1 Like |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by wirinet(m): 6:21am On Feb 19, 2020 |
gidgiddy: Believe me Gowon would have replaced Ojukwu and the worst that would have happened was Ojukwu declare secession immediately and the civil war would have started earlier. Gowon was a gentleman who wanted to avoid war at all costs. Gowon went to Ghana to try to avoid war. He gave unreasonable concessions in Ghana to avoid war. It was when he got to Nigeria that the civil service by led prince Akenzua (future Oba of Benin) wrote a memo to Gowon to reject the Aburi Accord, because it would lead to crisis in the future. Also remember that TY Danjuma and Murtala did not attend the Aburi meeting, meaning they rejected the whole accord. Regionalism in a multi ethnic, cultural and religious society like Nigeria would not work. It will lead to perpetual conflict within and without the regions or confederation. Many such societies had tried it in the past with disastrous consequences. Political struggles within the military and political elite would lead to anarchy. 4 Likes |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by gidgiddy: 10:55am On Feb 19, 2020 |
wirinet: This is absolute nonsense and an attempt to defend the indefensible. Gowon signed an agreement in Ghana. If Gowon did not know the import of what he was signing, it is hardly Ojukwus fault. If Gowon, returned to Nigeria and be was advised against honouring the agreement he signed, what he should have done is call Ojukwu to amend parts of the agreement he did not like. Rather, what Gowon did was to remove they system that prevented him and his Northern goons from being masters of Nigeria with Decree 14 by abolishing the 4 Regions The period if Regionalism was Nigerias best period. It was a time when everyone knew that there was no money to share and what you made is what you kept. This state creation that started with Gowon has been an absolute disaster. Today we have 36 states, most of which cant even pay salaries and many people feel marginalised. Too much power has been concentrated at the centre at the expense of the people while other countries like Ghana who kept Regionalism throughout their military rule until the return of civil rule are doing much better than Nigeria We all know the truth. It was the unbridled ambition of Gowon and his fellow Northerners to control Nigeria that made them do away Regionalism and resource control. The only thing they never counted on was that Ojukwu and the Igbos were going to say no to that. 6 Likes |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by gidgiddy: 11:57am On Feb 19, 2020 |
Rossippi: Your problem is that you have not done a thorough research of the history of Nigeria. The massacre of Igbos has been an ongoing thing long before the Nzeogwu coup. In 1945, Igbos were massacred in Jos by Northerners for no just cause. They were again killed greater numbers in Kano in 1953. Nobody was brought to book for these killings. Going by your reasoning, should Igbos have gone on a killing spree of Northerners in the East for what some of them did to Igbos in the North. Igbos did not do that because they knew that it was not justified to go after people for what theur brethren did elsewhere. Despite the massacres, a Northerner called Umaru Altine was elected Mayor of Enugu. Nzeogwu planned and executed his coup without the mandate of the Igbo nation. Army boss, General Ironsi took over and clamped the perpetrators in jail. While it is true that Ironsi did not court Marshall Nzeogwu and co, it should be remembered that Ironsi was in power for only 6 months. Despite killing Murtala Mohammed, it took 5 months to bring Dimka to book, it also took 5 months to bring Major Orkar to book. So what was this extraordinary thing about Ironsi's 6 months power that he didnt start the trial of Nzeogwu and co? Only a complete fool will justify the genocide of unarmed civilians, men, women and children over the shenanigans of military leaders. Did the North really expect to carry on their periodic massacre of Igbos and we all remain "one Nigeria"? So when Igbos are massacred, they keep their cool, when Northerners are killed, they commit genocide? Then that is clear evidence that we should not be together since we have different ways of doing things. When it comes to secession, Ojukwu was left with no choice. He had gone to Aburi, signed an agreement with Gowon, Gowon returned to Nigeria to break rhe agreement by issuing decree 14 of 1967. Ojukwu and the Eastern Region were not about to be enslaved in a Nigeria that is run by the dictates of the North so they declared independence Freedom is one of the few things in life worth fighting and dying for and neither Ojukwu or anyone in the old Eastern Region makes any apologies for fighting for freedom The Oil you are saying that Ojukwu was trying to corner has long been cornered by the Northerners while the owners wallow in poverty. At least in the East Region that Ojukwu ran, host communities got 50% of whatever resources accrued on their lands. Today in Nigeria, they are struggling to get 13%. Nothing much has changed since then end of the war. Nigeria is still run by the dictates of the North and has become poverty capital of the world, most people feel marginalised, nothing works and corruption is endemic. History has since vindicated Ojukwu for fighting to remove his people from the disaster called Nigeria The British made a big mistake bringing us together in 1914. 5 Likes |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by ifiokjohn(m): 12:04pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
Rossippi:I have been reading all your posts and reply without commenting and I have found out if truly you are Igbo, then you are just a Coward. your wife really married a Coward. I pity that woman. you are a disgrace to every able body igbo men. I spit on you. and by the way am from Akwa ibom |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by wirinet(m): 12:06pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
gidgiddy:Your guys employ emotions rather than tact and intelligence when dealing with political issues. Gowon would have removed Ojukwu once the coup succeeded and prepare to face Ojukwu loyalists in a war to remove him. That's why during and after coups, hostile officers were often murdered to prevent any resistance. Ojukwu, Gowon, Obasanjo, Danjuma were friends before the January 1966 coup and the murder of their colleagues was still fresh in his mind. Gowon did not want further bloodshed among friends. If it was Danjuma that headed the coup, he would have killed Ojukwu and other officers that oppose him. I am sure Nzeogwu and others killed officers they knew would oppose them. Gowon hurriedly signed the Aburi Accord without understanding the implications. Both of them were locked in a room without any aids to iron out their differences as friends and colleagues. Ojukwu managed to convince Gowon to sign the accord. When Gowon returned to Nigeria, there was so much opposition to the Accord not only from the military, but also from the civil service and even other regions. He held a meeting in Benin with
You guys made it look as if Gowon just decided to reject the Aburi Accord because he was a dictator. This if far from the truth. He was trying to carry everyone alone. Even two senior cabinet members from the former east rejected the Aburi Accord. If he was a power drunk dictator, he would not have attended Aburi in the first place. He conceded to popular concensus by civil servants and his military colleagues. 3 Likes |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by Malawian(m): 12:22pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
Area4Area:Oga, stop these rubbish. I swear to God who created me, you are a Yoruba guy and i know you in person. I know you gongon, not that they told me. we have met in 1998. |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by gidgiddy: 12:57pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
wirinet: No matter who conducted the coup, whether Gowon or Danjuma, it wouldn't have been possible to kill Ojukwu because Ojukwu was in the East. The coup that brought Gowon to power only happened in the North, the West and in Lagos. There were just about 800 Nothern troops in the whole of the East and that was just too small a number surrounded by millions of Igbos. I dont know why people keep defending Gowon for signing an agreement and failing to keep it. How is this Ojukwus fault? If Gowon felt that the Aburi agreement he signed was not tenable, what he should have done is to seek another meeting with parties involved and renegotiate. But what Gowon did was absolute lunacy. To abolish all 4 Regions, create 12 unitary states, strip them of their resources, change the revenue sharing formular This is not a man who wanted peace, this was a man who wanted Northern domination of Nigeria Can you imagine if it was Ironsi that did what Gowon did? Can you imagine if Ironsi has abolished all 4 Regions, created 12 states, alloted 6 of those states to his Eastern Region and the remainder to the rest of Nigeria, changed the revenue sharing formular so that the East that now had 6 states received the Lion share, arrogated himself so much powers. Everywhere would have been burning. But because Gowon is a Northerner, some people try to defend that travesty 2 Likes |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by wirinet(m): 1:39pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
gidgiddy:That's why I said that as long as Ojukwu refused to take command from Gowon, war was inevitable. There was no coup in mid west, yet Lt. Col. David Ejoor accepted Gowon as commander in chief. People pull out of agreements all the time, especially if the person feels he did not have all the relevant information during the signing of the agreement or the agreement is no longer in their interest. People sign cease fire agreements and break it the next day. If Gowon tried to force the agreement on civil servants and the military, which rejected the agreement, I am sure he would have been overthrown. Ironsi had already unified the whole country, Gowon had little to do to further divide it. The creation of 12 states was a strategy to weaken Ojukwu. He divided Ojukwu's territory into three and appointed new governors to the remaining 2. Ojukwu had control of only one of the 3 states. Gowon was taking advantage of the grievances of the minorities in the former easterner region had with the igbos. Ganduje is trying to use the same strategy to curtain the influence of Emir Sanusi, by dividing the Kano Emirate council into 4. What do you mean northern domination? Gowon was from a minority tribes in Plateau. Gowon was fighting for power as done by all humans since the dawn of history. 1 Like |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by NimrodEndOfDays(m): 3:00pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
Reading through the post. It is very obvious the narrative being portrayed by the OP. Have read his comments and rebuttal and they are so weak. Just ranting without logic but the same emotional state that started the civil war in the first place. Only an ignorant and unintelligent bigot would think that killing the millions of people who you claim to be compatriots justifiable. Notice how he is cheered by people with handles that have never spoken any good about Igbo people. Even when he made wrong assertions about some certain events they jubilated just because he is saying things that he feels might be hurtful to the Igbos. No matter how they try to make Igbos feel bad and join then in their mental state of perpetual servitude, the Igbos will always stand strong and raise their heads up high. We will never be cowed. |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by joeyfire(m): 4:44pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
wirinet: So is Gowon's states model working? |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by wirinet(m): 5:22pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
joeyfire:It's not about regionalism or states, it's more about how resources are created, controlled, shared and utilised. Of course the federating units, whether regions or states are too many and are largely unviable, we have to find the most ultimal configuration considering the number of tribes in Nigeria. Keep in mind that it was not Gowon that created the 36 states structure. It was subsequent military administrations that use state creation bribes for political support. Agitation for more states started right after independence till today. Most tribes and sub tribes in Nigeria are clamouring for their own states. |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by joeyfire(m): 6:58pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
wirinet: The regional system is a million times better for Nigeria than the utterly worthless states monstrosity and nightmare of today and it still failed. The south in particular saw progress that is very visible today via the regions. The problem is and will always be the advantage given to the north by the British over the south. The crisis in the western region which led to the Nzeogwu coup and civil war is enough of a lesson for the wise Gowon created a monster by abolishing the regions and creating states |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by Johans1991: 8:36pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
gidgiddy:why confusing yourself? you said there was no genocide but you still called gowon a GENOCIDAL KILLER. use your brain pls 1 Like |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by Johans1991: 8:52pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
gidgiddy:mention anywhere self determination was mention in the constitution secondly, if your commander run away from battle what do you call that one? 1 Like |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by Dedetwo(m): 9:02pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
dboss12: I said some of the goons do not know the major composites of corruption. The embezzlement of fund probably was the least source of vexation to those who precipitated the January 15, 1966 coup. Major ones, as they have stated in certain books, were nepotism and cronyism. Today, a product of such crass irresponsible action of Tafawa Balewa has risen to become the president of Nigeria. As all bad manners of corruption, he has continued the nepotistic endeavors of the 60s northern political elites. Nigeria is as good as disintegrated period. 1 Like |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by MICHEALADEX(m): 9:11pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
gidgiddy: What is this one saying sef... Like leaf casted upon the water going front and back 1 Like |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by Rossippi: 9:18pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
Area4Area: Thanks bro. I just don't get the audacity some people have to come online and claim to know where a person must come from based on his political views. Because they base their own views strictly on their ethnic loyalties rather than on common sense, logic, and reasoning, they think everybody is like them. It's just so ignorant and primitive. If you do not believe in Biafra or secession, then you must not be an Igbo person. Which poll did these illiterates conduct showing that every Igbo person supports secession? Can you imagine their effrontery? Fascists pretending to be freedom fighters. Can you imagine any of these ones in power in a 'Biafra'? Won't they just kill anybody who doesn't meet their definition of who a Biafran or Igbo person is? May their type NEVER EVER achieve any form of power in Igboland. Amen. 2 Likes |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by wirinet(m): 9:44pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
Rossippi: Biafra would be an absolute dictatorship country worse than North Korea. My very good friend was jisting me on how in a bar they were discussing Biafra and Kanu with his friends. When he said he does not support Biafra or kanu, some hefty men who overheard his conversation came up to him and told him to repeat what he said. Fearing for his life, he told them up Biafra, up kanu, and they went back to their seats. He said he got up and left the place without finishing his drinks. You can see their attitude by the amount of venom the pour on anyone who refuses to worship kanu here on nairaland. 2 Likes |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by Johans1991: 9:52pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
DMerciful:hahahaaaa WHEN? |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by Rossippi: 9:59pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
wirinet: That is an incredible, tragic story, and I believe every word of it. I also recall a conversation with a distant uncle of mine over the Biafra issue. He was for Biafra and I was for One Nigeria, in a heated, though friendly debate over beer. Midway through our debate, he made a casual remark that startled me, to the effect that ''God save you if you go to Onitsha and say these things you're saying''. I just replied him straight that ''all the more reason why Biafra is a bad idea, since there is no room for plurality of opinion in your little tribal republic''. At least as a Nigerian, you can think what you like, say what you like, insult the president and leaders all you like, and nobody will disturb you. 2 Likes |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by AragonOkeke: 10:50pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
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Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by AragonOkeke: 11:31pm On Feb 19, 2020 |
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Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by Dedetwo(m): 3:20am On Feb 20, 2020 |
wirinet: The bolded implicated few instances of your stream of thought. One of such instances remains you have nothing good to say about Igbo people. Another is the display of ignorance on the socio-political demeanor of Ndigbo. The people of Igbo do not have interest in one man's rule. It is not in their nature and shall never become. In addition, there are differences in human behavior when one searches for something as oppose when one finds it. The analogy of your friend telling a beer parlor story of Biafra and Kanu is silly at best. |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by Kingspin(m): 3:26am On Feb 20, 2020 |
Rossippi:Since the end of the war how is your Nigeria? |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by wirinet(m): 3:58am On Feb 20, 2020 |
Dedetwo:You clamour for some ego caressing. well my people are not known for caressing anyone's ego, we tell you the brutal truth, whether you like it or not. What's the socio political demeanour of Ndigbo? When Biafra existed for a brief 2 and a half years, was it not ruled as an absolute dictatorship? Was Ojukwu not an absolute dictator, even worse than Gowon? Could anyone politician or militarily officer challenge Ojukwu without consequences? Someone that killed 4 of his top Generals during a war. Kim Jong Un would have been a learner to Ojukwu had Biafra stood. What of Kanu's concept of Biafra? Is it not an absolute dictatorship? Will anyone be able to question kanu if he is "given Biafra", with Benue and Rivers states as he demanded? Is IPOB not being run as an absolute dictatorship? Can members ask kanu to account for donations and dues collected by the organization? What's the management structure and constitution of IPOB? You are just living in denial. You guys have threatened time and time again here in nairaland, that dared people to go to Aba or any part of Igboland and denounce Biafra. You claim they would be lynched on the streets. Some when dared some people to go to anioma or Ikwerre and say they are not igbos. You guys issue threats of violence up and down to people of opposing ideas and yet claim "we are Republicans " better look up the meaning of Republicans in the dictionary. 1 Like |
Re: Yakubu Gowon Was The True Hero Of The Civil War by wirinet(m): 4:04am On Feb 20, 2020 |
Kingspin:Nigeria is doing OK, given the mess the British left behind. We are far from where we ought to be given the military's disruptions of our socio political life and the vicious struggle for power among politicians, but things could have been worse - much worse. 1 Like |
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