MuttleyLaff:
A wise man/woman can learn more from a foolish moG than a foolish moG can learn from the little the wise man/woman has got to know about, lol

To be honest with you shadeyinka, I have never met any big moG so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from, lol

I guess I am not at home with the celebrity status we have ascribed to the so called big men of God: to the detriment of sound doctrines

MuttleyLaff:
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You really dont know this chap sha and the cunning man ways employed, learned from when he was in secular active service of course, hmm.

That's the classic ol' wolf tactic, he's played on you, lol, do the cajoling, look submissive, appear docile and small, all in a plan to lure a hunt/prey into a false sense of confidence etcetera, lol. The classic pseudo innocent looking/appearing outward behaviour and/or bearing, that masks a multitude of sins and hides much guilt. The dossier on him easily stretches from Lagos to Kafanchan, lol.

Watch this space, his bossman, sergeant major, will sooner than later turn up, on behalf of him, to do some firefighting and then after turn to pat him on the back with glowing comments.

I don't mind civil discuss made from the fiercest of difference in opinions as long as truth and mutual respect is not sacrificed on the altar of winning an argument.

I know him well: he could reject the olive leaf outrightly or accept it. The second path is healthy for both of us.

shadeyinka:
I guess I am not at home with the celebrity status we have ascribed to the so called big men of God: to the detriment of sound doctrines

I have never been sucked in to all that celebrity status jagbanjantis nonsense thing. Common donkey talked sense to Balaam, the donkey defo saved his bacon. Inspite that the donkey saved him from danger, it didnt make the donkey a celebrity nah, yet Balaam learned from it.

Just because you get beard, no mean say una be Alfa nah, besides beards actually are worn even by common "Yoruba ogufe" or "Ndigbo ewu" (i.e. goat). Come to think of it, truth of the whole matter is that, beards arent all that, and no wonder we have celebrity big moG goats preach.

shadeyinka:
I don't mind civil discuss made from the fiercest of difference in opinions as long as truth and mutual respect is not sacrificed on the altar of winning an argument.

I know him well: he could reject the olive leaf outrightly or accept it. The second path is healthy for both of us.

Extending/offering an olive branch is like as if you're confessing you in the first place was fighting/arguing with him

Do you know the reason why he thanked you for your time, lol?

Please permit me to reorder your post

Maximus69:


©Who is Jesus?
~God's only begotten son!

©Do you know him?
~Of course i do, he's my Lord!

©So do you have a personal relationship with him?
~Sure i deal with him in the best way i know!

©How can Jesus' friends RECOGNIZE one another?
~That's difficult because each person CHOOSES the way he will deal with Jesus!

All the answers here are ok except the bolded. Jesus disciples will recognise one another if they are bound together by
1. Knowledge of Jesus
2. Love for Him
3. Obedience to Him resulting in good fruit
These are summarised in the scriptures below

John 8:31:
"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word , then are you my disciples indeed;"

John 15:8:
"My Father is honored by your bearing much fruit and showing that you are my disciples."

However, the outsiders and people of the world will know us as disciples of Christ when we LOVE ONE ANOTHER!
John 13:35:
"By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one to another."

©How can Jesus' friends RECOGNIZE one another?
Answer:
Jesus friends vary greatly in knowledge, understanding and even love for Christ. As long as he's a new creature and bears fruit according to this nature, such is a brother.
Mat 13:23:
"But he that received seed into the good ground is he that hears the word, and understands it; which also bears fruit, and brings forth, some an hundred times, some sixty , some thirty ."

Maximus69:

Well consider another illustration.

©Who is Jesus?
~He is God's only begotten son!

©Do you know him?
~Well to the best of my knowledge!

©What do you mean by that?
~I will like to know him better, if that's possible!

©In what way?
~By associating with Jesus' friends and rubbing minds with them!

©How can we RECOGNIZE Jesus' friends?
~I think he said something about that, let's consider it in the scriptures!

There is no reason not to associate with the Friends of Jesus. This assumes first that you are a friend of Christ and then you look for other friends of Christ to associate with. This practice is good and healthy for "Iron sharpens Iron"

Heb 10:24-25:
"And let us consider one another to provoke to love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as you see the day approaching."

Jesus said:
Mat 18:20:
"For where two or three are gathered together in my name , there am I in the middle of them."
So, in terms of association, where tow or more are gathered in Christ name irrespective of their church denomination, Christ is there in their midst.

Maximus69:

This has always being the way Jehovah's Witnesses discuss with people to know if we can relate as brothers in FAITH!

Note that there can't be anything like worship (whole soul sacred service) binding the two persons chatting in my illustration! So are they brothers in Christ?

It would be wrong if I say "unless you are ECWA, you are not Christ's own". God doesn't recognize our denominations and denominational differences. God recognises the ones to whom He has made new creatures by the blood of His dear son.

Maximus69:

By so doing both will discuss about what Jesus asked his followers to be doing and how they can join Jesus' friends in doing it.
With this second illustration, this two will surely become brothers in FAITH, as they're both prepared to WORK together with Jesus' friends.
Of course Jesus' friends must be ORGANIZED, and the two friends shouldn't be expecting PERFECTION from Jesus' friend, because if they do they will need to go their separate ways since PERFECTION is what they're demanding and no one is perfect.
So it means each will have to be ON HIS OWN claiming friend of Jesus without any organized setting in doing the work Jesus assigned to his friends!
Thanks for your time!

I believe this has been dealt with. The bolded would have been correct if other Christians neglect worship together and each claiming individuality

MuttleyLaff:
I have never been sucked in to all that celebrity status jagbanjantis nonsense thing. Common donkey talked sense to Balaam, the donkey defo saved his bacon. Inspite that the donkey saved him from danger, it didnt make the donkey a celebrity nah, yet Balaam learned from it.

Just because you get beard, no mean say una be Alfa nah, besides beards actually are worn even by common "Yoruba ogufe" or "Ndigbo ewu" (i.e. goat). Come to think of it, truth of the whole matter is that, beards arent all that, and no wonder we have celebrity big moG goats preach.

Extending/offering an olive branch is like as if you're confessing you in the first place was fighting/arguing with him

Do you know the reason why he thanked you for your time, lol?

Interestingly, his next post is okay and civil. You can check it out.

shadeyinka:
Interestingly, his next post is okay and civil. You can check it out.

Exactly, it is because he has achieved his expected quota for the week already, lol

The soul

MuttleyLaff:
I have never been sucked in to all that celebrity status jagbanjantis nonsense thing. Common donkey talked sense to Balaam, the donkey defo saved his bacon. Inspite that the donkey saved him from danger, it didnt make the donkey a celebrity nah, yet Balaam learned from it.

Just because you get beard, no mean say una be Alfa nah, besides beards actually are worn even by common "Yoruba ogufe" or "Ndigbo ewu" (i.e. goat). Come to think of it, truth of the whole matter is that, beards arent all that, and no wonder we have celebrity big moG goats preach.

Extending/offering an olive branch is like as if you're confessing you in the first place was fighting/arguing with him

Do you know the reason why he thanked you for your time, lol?

All is still well as other believers can learn from discusses presented in civil manners.

As per the so called big MOGs,
2Tim 4:3-5:
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned to fables. But watch you in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of your ministry."

shadeyinka:
All is still well as other believers can learn from discusses presented in civil manners.

Depending on who and/or what, I'll unceremoniously and gladly, use a wedge to knock out a wedge. I can fight fire with fire. Drive out one nail using another. Sometimes, use like to cure like. Pay back with the same medicine, as some dont understand the meaning of the word civil and/or manners, so dont deserve being suffered gladly, lol

shadeyinka:
As per the so called big MOGs,
2Tim 4:3-5:
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned to fables. But watch you in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of your ministry."

Hin no go beta for poverty's mama and ignorance's papa.

Diiiamoond:
The soul

On the surface, yup, the soul, but if you if you lift the hood up, to look under and/or into the bonnet, you'll find out in the engine and vehincle, that its all three of them: body (i.e. glorified body), soul and spirit (i.e. breath/wind of God) that enters the kingdom of heaven

shadeyinka:
Please permit me to reorder your post

All the answers here are ok except the bolded. Jesus disciples will recognise one another if they are bound together by
1. Knowledge of Jesus
2. Love for Him
3. Obedience to Him resulting in good fruit
These are summarised in the scriptures below

John 8:31:
"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word , then are you my disciples indeed;"

John 15:8:
"My Father is honored by your bearing much fruit and showing that you are my disciples."

However, the outsiders and people of the world will know us as disciples of Christ when we LOVE ONE ANOTHER!
John 13:35:
"By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one to another."

©How can Jesus' friends RECOGNIZE one another?
Answer:
Jesus friends vary greatly in knowledge, understanding and even love for Christ. As long as he's a new creature and bears fruit according to this nature, such is a brother.
Mat 13:23:
"But he that received seed into the good ground is he that hears the word, and understands it; which also bears fruit, and brings forth, some an hundred times, some sixty , some thirty ."



There is no reason not to associate with the Friends of Jesus. This assumes first that you are a friend of Christ and then you look for other friends of Christ to associate with. This practice is good and healthy for "Iron sharpens Iron"

Heb 10:24-25:
"And let us consider one another to provoke to love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as you see the day approaching."

Jesus said:
Mat 18:20:
"For where two or three are gathered together in my name , there am I in the middle of them."
So, in terms of association, where tow or more are gathered in Christ name irrespective of their church denomination, Christ is there in their midst.



It would be wrong if I say "unless you are ECWA, you are not Christ's own". God doesn't recognize our denominations and denominational differences. God recognises the ones to whom He has made new creatures by the blood of His dear son.



I believe this has been dealt with. The bolded would have been correct if other Christians neglect worship together and each claiming individuality

Our believe still remains the same "none of those outside our camp will be saved"!
Unless those who are making progress in their study with us, such ones will be judged based on their resolve to work with God's people! (Though Jehovah's Witnesses belief)

Never mind Sir, a new order has been passed globally to STOP KNOCKING ON THE DOORS OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T OUR REGULAR BIBLE STUDIES

So it's time to hold onto your beliefs now, Jehovah's Witnesses will hold onto our own.

Farewell!

Maximus69:


Our believe still remains the same "none of those outside our camp will be saved"!
Unless those who are making progress in their study with us, such ones will be judged based on their resolve to work with God's people! (Though Jehovah's Witnesses belief)

Never mind Sir, a new order has been passed globally to STOP KNOCKING ON THE DOORS OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T OUR REGULAR BIBLE STUDIES

So it's time to hold onto your beliefs now, Jehovah's Witnesses will hold onto our own.

Farewell!

Farewell then!

MuttleyLaff:
Depending on who and/or what, I'll unceremoniously and gladly, use a wedge to knock out a wedge. I can fight fire with fire. Drive out one nail using another. Sometimes, use like to cure like. Pay back with the same medicine, as some dont understand the meaning of the word civil and/or manners, so dont deserve being suffered gladly, lol

Hin no go beta for poverty's mama and ignorance's papa.

You need to check out our last conversation. When indoctrination is deep, scriptural truths mean nothing!

MuttleyLaff:
Depending on who and/or what, I'll unceremoniously and gladly, use a wedge to knock out a wedge. I can fight fire with fire. Drive out one nail using another. Sometimes, use like to cure like. Pay back with the same medicine, as some dont understand the meaning of the word civil and/or manners, so dont deserve being suffered gladly, lol

Hin no go beta for poverty's mama and ignorance's papa.

You need to check out our last conversation. When indoctrination is deep, scriptural truths mean nothing!

There are four kinds of deliverance
1. Of Objects and Locations
2. Of the Body
3. Of the Soul
4. Of the Spirit

3 & 4 are the deepest

He says:

Our believe still remains the same "none of those outside our camp will be saved"!

shadeyinka:

You need to check out our last conversation. When indoctrination is deep, scriptural truths mean nothing!

There are four kinds of deliverance
1. Of Objects and Locations
2. Of the Body
3. Of the Soul
4. Of the Spirit

3 & 4 are the deepest

He says:

We can also say "no wind of teaching can shake solid Faith"

I think there were several religious groups in Israel in the day of John the baptist, he told all of them to repent and embrace a new up coming group, though some ignored but many Jews ran to him and he began baptising them in preparation of the expected new group.
Finally Jesus appeared from nowhere preaching and teaching after being a carpenter all his life, then a bombshell out of his mouth "i am the way, the truth and the life, NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME"!

His followers began mimicking the same statement everywhere they go, can you imagine yourself being a Jew back then believing in the same God and scriptures that Jesus' followers are reading and quoting, then one of them walk up to you saying
"NONE OF THOSE OUTSIDE OUR GROUP WILL BE SAVED"

Well perhaps such a follower of Jesus needs "deliverance" because of INDOCTRINATION!

Food for thought!

However, there is no need to worry you people anymore.

Hold onto your beliefs now,

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES will keep our own!

TATIME:


We can also say "no wind of teaching can shake solid Faith"

I think there were several religious groups in Israel in the day of John the baptist, he told all of them to repent and embrace a new up coming group, though some ignored but many Jews ran to him and he began baptising them in preparation of the expected new group.
Finally Jesus appeared from nowhere preaching and teaching after being a carpenter all his life, then a bombshell out of his mouth "i am the way, the truth and the life, NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME"!

His followers began mimicking the same statement everywhere they go, can you imagine yourself being a Jew back then believing in the same God and scriptures that Jesus' followers are reading and quoting, then one of them walk up to you saying
"NONE OF THOSE OUTSIDE OUR GROUP WILL BE SAVED"

Well perhaps such a follower of Jesus needs "deliverance" because of INDOCTRINATION!

Food for thought!

However, there is no need to worry you people anymore.

Hold onto your beliefs now,

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES will keep our own!

Faith is spiritual same with Demonic enslavement.
Any doctrine that doesn't respect the scriptures is not faith but spiritual enslavement!

shadeyinka:

So, who are the witnesses?

Why all this hullabaloo?
It's a simple stuff...
Hebrews 11:3-40 were men/women of faith, true servants of Jehovah. Indeed,Jehovah's witnesses (Isaiah 42:10-12).
The faith of these God fearing men and women (in Hebrews 11:3-40) was a witness ( testimony) of their faithful service of the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob. Like Jesus (Acts3:13).
Because we have a great cloud of witnesses (the men/women spoken of in Hebrews 11:3-40) giving us unflinching evidence of faith, put off every encumbrances ( sin /lack of faith) & copy the Chief Agent & Perfecter of our faith,Jesus Christ (Hebrews 12:1-3).

shadeyinka:

Faith is spiritual same with Demonic enslavement.
Any doctrine that doesn't respect the scriptures is not faith but spiritual enslavement!

Jehovah condemn divination& spirit mediums, His prophet Samuel,rejected king Saul & broke ALL contact with Saul.
But you dey claim that the late prophet Samuel was summoned by witchcraft to speak to Saul.
The Devil deceived Shadeyinka yakata as e deceive Eve..

Janosky:


Why all this hullabaloo?
It's a simple stuff...
Hebrews 11:3-40 were men/women of faith, true servants of Jehovah. Indeed,Jehovah's witnesses (Isaiah 42:10-12).
The faith of these God fearing men and women (in Hebrews 11:3-40) was a witness ( testimony) of their faithful service of the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob. Like Jesus (Acts3:13).
Because we have a great cloud of witnesses (the men/women spoken of in Hebrews 11:3-40) giving us unflinching evidence of faith, put off every encumbrances ( sin /lack of faith) & copy the Chief Agent & Perfecter of our faith,Jesus Christ (Hebrews 12:1-3).

Yes men and women of faith are the witnesses.

Janosky:


Jehovah condemn divination& spirit mediums, His prophet Samuel,rejected king Saul & broke ALL contact with Saul.
But you dey claim that the late prophet Samuel was summoned by witchcraft to speak to Saul.
The Devil deceived Shadeyinka yakata as e deceive Eve..

Started the "rif-raf" behaviour again

shadeyinka:

The Sabbath rest refers to the he end of the age in paradise!
At that time no one has to do even the works of righteousness!

Those who seek to be justified by observing the laws should note James2:10.
Jam 2:10:
"For whoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all."

Then why did Paul, Jesus, Mary and the Gentiles keep the sabbath?

blueAgent:



Then why did Paul, Jesus, Mary and the Gentiles keep the sabbath?

Because they were Jews!
Check the law of circumcision! Jesus was circumcised. Timothy was circumcised but NOT Titus.

Gal 2:3:
"But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:"

Why?

Let's see what the Old testament said about circumsion.

Gen 17:14:
"And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant."
You'll agree with me that Gen17:14 is strongly worded

shadeyinka:

Because they were Jews!
Check the law of circumcision! Jesus was circumcised. Timothy was circumcised but NOT Titus.

Gal 2:3:
"But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:"

Why?

Let's see what the Old testament said about circumsion.

Gen 17:14:
"And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant."
You'll agree with me that Gen17:14 is strongly worded

Is circumsion in the 10 commandments?

blueAgent:



Is circumsion in the 10 commandments?

The ten commandments isn't the only laws given by God in the old testament.

Janosky:


Jehovah condemn divination& spirit mediums, His prophet Samuel,rejected king Saul & broke ALL contact with Saul.
But you dey claim that the late prophet Samuel was summoned by witchcraft to speak to Saul.
The Devil deceived Shadeyinka yakata as e deceive Eve..

Leave them with their unbelief!

I'll always be grateful to you and your brothers who taught me God's word, if not for you guys, how am i supposed to know that believe simply means TRUST?

They claim they are believers but they find it so difficult to trust people they're seeing, they claim they believe (trust) God whom they're not seeing.
And what's more? They're always arguing trying to prove themselves worshipers of the same God while their arguments always end up in abuses, insults even curses!

After all said and done they'll cover up all their differences with "Jesus is Lord" whereas they can't WORK together in an ORGANIZED manner under that Lord!

Janosky! I'll forever remain grateful to Jehovah and to you guys.

"Jehovah's Witnesses, thank you oooooo!"

shadeyinka:

The ten commandments isn't the only laws given by God in the old testament.

Which other Law did God give or write with his finger apart from the 10 commandments?

which other law did God in the way and manner he gave the10 commandments?

Diiiamoond:
The soul

Can you show me where it is written?

Maximus69:


Once there is NO written code, it simply means he lived by his God's given conscience just like everyone else, before God now called him to deal with him. And since he proved to be loyal to God all through, he became God's friend! James 2:23

People in Noah's days knew the law of God, this is confirmed by apostle Peter.
2 Peter 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their UNLAWFUL deeds



Sodom and Gomorrah were judged by God for their sin.

Genesis 18:24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?

Genesis 18:26 And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

The Lord was ready to judge Nineveh because there wickedness.

Jonah 1:1 Now the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying, 1:2 Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.

But God showed them mercy when they repented this shows that they knew right from wrong and they knew the justice requirements of God which is his law.

blueAgent:







People in Noah's days knew the law of God, this is confirmed by apostle Peter.
2 Peter 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their UNLAWFUL deeds



Sodom and Gomorrah were judged by God for their sin.

Genesis 18:24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?

Genesis 18:26 And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

The Lord was ready to judge Nineveh because there wickedness.

Jonah 1:1 Now the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying, 1:2 Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.

But God showed them mercy when they repented this shows that they knew right from wrong and they knew the justice requirements of God which is his law.

You're beginning to contradict God's word!
Your stubbornness and blindness when arguing is gradually blurring your God's given insight!

Remember God's word taught us that all the people living on this planet today are descendants of Noah! So if they already HAD GOD'S LAW (which their destroyed contemporaries ignored) where does GENTILES WITHOUT LAW come from? Romans 2:14

blueAgent:


Which other Law did God give or write with his finger apart from the 10 commandments?

which other law did God in the way and manner he gave the10 commandments?

Are you implying that the 10 commandments are superior to other laws?
Have you noted that the greatest commandment (according to Jesus) is not even among the ten commandments?
Deut 6:4-7
4 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!
5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.

The summary of those who choose to be justified by Law is this:
Jam 2:10:
"For whoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all. "

Is the whole law the 10 commandments?

Maximus69:


You're beginning to contradict God's word!
Your stubbornness and blindness when arguing is gradually blurring your God's given insight!

Remember God's word taught us that all the people living on this planet today are descendants of Noah! So if they already HAD GOD'S LAW (which their destroyed contemporaries ignored) where does GENTILES WITHOUT LAW come from? Romans 2:14

Who is lairing?
Me or Peter who wrote that verse.

The law was known to Noah and the entire humanity, but its knowledge was lost just as your false church and other protestants are advocating that its is abolished and should be lost.

You can see that the same path you and your false Church are towing is what helped to destroy Noah's generation.

God came down to re-emphasis the importance of the 10commandments through the Israelites to the whole World.

Yes their are Gentiles who do not have the true knowledge of the law but God's word says that they will be judged by there conscience which has the law impressed on it.

blueAgent:


Who is lairing?
Me or Peter who wrote that verse.

The law was known to Noah and the entire humanity, but its knowledge was lost just as your false church and other protestants are advocating that its is abolished and should be lost.

You can see that the same path you and your false Church are towing is what helped to destroy Noah's generation.

God came down to re-emphasis the importance of the 10commandments through the Israelites to the whole World.

Yes their are Gentiles who do not have the true knowledge of the law but God's word says that they will be judged by there conscience which has the law impressed on it.

So you mean it is the churches that came in less than 500 years now that changed people's minds against God's WRITTEN laws?

Well you're just jumping up and down in your response as you've concluded that those laws are useless since humans were created with CONSCIENCE!

So we don't need any laws as long as all of us possess God's given conscience!