nigerian have used religion to lie, maim and kill people pastor sees visions of kids being witches and wizards some of these kids are killed and or pour acid on everyday and some driven away from home into the streets. i guess my question is, does jesus exist and if he does why would he not come to the aids of these kids. number two, can jesus or allah ever save those that believe in him if so when.

JESUS is real, dont think God will come down and fight for people. Because
he has giving us a free will to do whatever we want . . . . . as for the kids,
it as been distined to happened . . . . .
God save those that believe in him . . . . . anytime
you must continue to believe in him. . . .
you sound as is if you dont belive in God . . . if you dont belive in God it will be difficult to understand what am saying. . . . . . Thsnks

@poster thats a very nice question. But first of all before i explain in full. There is no GOD or JESUS or MOHAMMED or ALLAH. TO further back my claim lets think outside the box of religion. I will like to ask some question to those religionist
= if God so exist then Y is it that young innocent children suffer? For example Haiti incident is one
= if God so exist y is it that people call his name for help and they are still not helped?
= if God so exist Y is it that he sees the bad people prospering and the good dying and he does nothing?
=if God so exist Y is it that people after good works and deeds are made to die in a sorrowfull way or through hardship and religionist tells you its destiny?
=if God exist y is it he sees war and suffering happening but does nothing?
=if God exist y is it atheist and non religionist prosper better than the religionist? I am talking from experience.
Now poster and those so called religionist I think this is a question to answer.

@Ymodulus,
i can not pretend i have the answers.honestly,i don't. but an explanation is
If there is a God (or some Gods) who made all things, He/She/It/They understand(s) the general plan and purpose better and all those things that we interpret as injustices may just be well fitted into the general plan from His/Her/Its/Their point of view.

Imagine a mother trying to wean a baby off the breast milk. The baby sees it as injustice. But the mother doing the weaning understands the general plan better.

When i look at the sheer size of the universe, it is just awesome and seems to be purposeless and i just wonder why a creator needed to create it in the first place. Couldn't He/She/It/They just be But I do not overlook the fact that design,geometry, precision and deliberateness can be seen all through the universe starting from the most microscopic to the most macroscopic.

Is there a creator /some creators ? Yes
Has any religion or way of life shown Him/Her/It/Them to mankind? No
Can we ever know Him/Her/It/Them? I don't know
Why the f*ck do(es) He/She/It/They permit suffering? I am not sure this question is correct since I do not know the general plan and purpose of the f*cking universe.

Hi,

I would offer the muslim perspective, God willing

Indeed God is All-Powerful and He is able to do all things

The Quran has mentioned this hundreds of times.
Quran also says, "Glory be to Allah, the best Creator"

But then the question comes why do pain and sufferings exist in the world. We find sickness, old age and death. We see things that are ugly, people who are insane and foolish. There are storms, earthquakes, floods, draught and famine. We also see people commit sins, show disloyalty, unfaithfulness, greed and insincerity. We see people commit rapes, murders; they fight and make wars. We know all these and many more problems. There are evils caused by human beings and there are natural disasters.

There are suffering for individuals and there are those that involve a large number of people.
But we also know that this is not the whole story. Besides all these negative things, we also see beauty, health, prosperity, life, birth, wisdom, intelligence, growth and progress. We observe goodness among people, faith, sincerity, charity, love and the spirit of sacrifice. We notice a lot of virtue and piety. It is wrong to see one side of the coin and not to see the other side.

Let us ask this question to understand Allah's ways in His creation. The Quran tells us that good, evil and whatever happens in this world happens by Allah's Will (mashiat Allah). Only Allah knows fully His Will. We finite beings cannot grasp fully His infinite Will and Wisdom. He runs His universe the way He deems fit. The Quran tells us that Allah is Wise and everything that Allah does is right, just, good and fair. We must submit and surrender to His Will. The Quran has not given us all the details about Allah's Will, but it has enlightened us with the guidance that is useful and sufficient for us. There are several points that we should keep in our mind to understand this issue.

1. . First of all, Allah did not make this world a permanent world. This is a temporary world and everything here has a time limit. When its times comes it will die, come to an end and finish. Neither the good things of this world are forever, nor the bad things eternal. We are here for a short time and we are being tested. Those who will pass this test will find an eternal world that is perfect and permanent. Those who will fail this test shall see the evil consequences of their sins and corruption.
The prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, told us,

"This worldly place is a prison to the true believers, and a paradise to the disbelievers."

2. Allah has placed a physical law and a moral law in this universe. Allah allows suffering to occur when one or more of these laws are broken. The physical law is based on cause and effect. Sickness comes if one does not take care of ones health or is exposed to infections. A car accident occurs when one is not alert, or drives in a careless manner, or if the cars are not checked, roads and freeways are not made and kept in right shape, or the traffic laws are not right or not properly enforced. Study of causes and effects is very important to facilitate safeguards. Even here we should keep in mind that Allah often saves us and He does not let us suffer from every negligence. How many times it happens that we are not careful and still we reach safely to our destinations. The way people drive in some cities, it is a miracle that more accidents do not happen and more people do not suffer. Allah says:


(Allah) Most Gracious! It is He Who has taught the Quran. He has created man: He has taught him speech (and Intelligence). The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed; and the herbs and the trees both (alike) bow in adoration. And the Firmament has He raised high, and He has set up the Balance (of Justice), in order that you may not transgress (due) balance. So establish weight with justice and fall not short in the balance. It is He Who has spread out the earth for (His) creatures."
(Ar-Rahman:1-10)

The way we exceed the measures set by Allah and violate His laws of "cause and effect" is incredible. It is really the mercy of Allah that we are saved. Strictly speaking, the question should not be why does Allah allow suffering, but how much Allah protects us and saves us all the time in spite of our violations and negligence. The Quran says:

"If Allah were to punish people according to what they deserve, He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily Allah has in His sight all His servants."
(Fatir:45)

But sometimes Allah does punish people because of their violations of His laws whether they are physical or moral. The Quran tells us that many nations and communities were destroyed because of their sinful lifestyles:

If they treat thy (mission) as false, so did the Peoples before them (with their Prophets), the People of Noah, and Ad and Thamud. Those of Abraham and Lut; and the Companions of the Madyan people; and Moses was rejected (in the same way). But I granted respite to the Unbelievers, and (only) after that did I punish them: but how (terrible) was My rejection (of them)! How many populations have We destroyed, which were given to wrong-doing! They tumbled down on their roofs. And how many wells are lying idle and neglected, and castles lofty and well-built?" (Al-Hajj: 42-45)

3. Suffering can also be a test and trial for some people. Allah allows some people to suffer in order to test their patience and steadfastness. Even Allah's Prophets and Messengers were made to suffer. Prophet Ayyub is mentioned in the Quran as a Prophet who was very patient. Good people sometimes suffer but their sufferings heal others and bring goodness to their communities. People learn lessons from their good examples. Martyrs die for their faith, soldiers give their lives for their nations and this brings liberation and freedom for their people.

4. Allah sometimes allows some people to suffer to test others, how they react to them. When you see a person who is sick, poor and needy, then you are tested by Allah. Allah is there with that suffering person to test your charity and your faith. In a very moving Hadith Qudsi (Divine Hadith) the Prophet, peace be upon him, said:


Allah will say on the Day of Judgment,

"O son of Adam, I was sick and you did not visit Me." He will say, "O my Lord, how could I visit You, when you are the Lord of the Worlds?" Allah will say, "Did you not know that My servant so-and-so was sick and you did not visit him? Did you not know that if you had visited him, you would have found Me there?" Allah will say, "O son of Adam, I asked you for food and you fed Me not." He shall say, "O my Lord, how could I feed you and you are the Lord of the Worlds?" And Allah will say, "Did you not know that My servant so-and-so was in need of food and you did not feed him? Did you not know that if you had fed him, you would have found that to have been for Me?" "O son of Adam, I asked you for water and you did not give Me to drink." The man shall say, "O my Lord, how could I give You water, when You are the Lord of the Worlds?" Allah will say, "My servant so-and-so asked you for water and you did not give him to drink water. Did you not know that if you had given him to drink, you would have found that to have been for Me?"
(Muslim, Hadith no. 4661)

Prophet `Isa (Jesus), peace be upon him, is also reported to have said something similar in the Injeel (Gospel or New Testament of The Bible).
(See Matthew 25: 35-45)

So, in summary we can say suffering occurs to teach us that we must adhere to God's natural and moral laws. It is sometimes to punish those who violate Allah's natural or moral laws. It is to test our faith in God and to test our commitment to human values and charity. Whenever we encounter suffering we should ask ourselves, Have we broken any law of God? Let us study the cause of the problem and use the corrective methods. Could it be a punishment? Let us repent and ask forgiveness and reform our ways. Could it be a test and trial for us? Let us work hard to pass this test. Believers face the sufferings with prayers, repentance and good deeds.
The non-believers face the sufferings with doubts and confusions. They blame God or make arguments against Him. May God keep us on the right path, Amen!

Peace.