Masking:


Spanish flu killed 50million not 1million. ie 10% of people infected, at a time the world was not even global, less vulnerable, compared to now.

No one is saying it wouldn't pass. Just a realistic projection of what would happen if its not curtailed soon enough.

Kekekenny:
We all know the Covid-19 cases in naija are more than ds figures. Carefully releasing it not to create panic. We are aware of 15 new cases from Gbagada .But let me stop here. God is in control already

Kekekenny:
We all know the Covid-19 cases in naija are more than ds figures.

linearity:
The policy in the US, is no symptoms, no testing even in the drive- through centers.

Am leaving in what is currently called the epicenter of the current out break and was driving on GSP today through Middletown that houses one of those centers.....this some of the pictures I took while on high speed.....

The prints are very small, but you should be able to see the bottom of that sign of no symptoms, no test. So States in US are even more restrictive in the drive through, in NY in some, it is no Doctor’s prescription, no testing....in some States, you only get tested if it is determined that your positive test results will change the course of your treatment.

9jaRealist:


What exactly is your picture supposed to prove?
That ONE single testing center in the 50-state US requires symptoms for testing?

The US is not like Nigeria....
It's a real FEDERAL system, and states makes many of their own public health decisions.
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okeyben10:


It contains sodium hypochlorite. It burns and is corrosive

That it doesn't contain alcohol makes it less a disinfectant

grandstar:
I won't be surprised if it's 10 times that number.

As much as we dislike Trump, if the Roche anti-Corona vaccine works, it will be fantastic. I think a race should be on to find simple effective treatments and also preventive measures.

I believe a prize of $20m should be given to anyone who finds a simple effective cure. With such a prize, a cure will be found within 6months.

Miemiepearl:

Exactly, it will be very difficult for Kano State to curb the pandemic, all what it needs is for just one Almajir to catch am then it will spread rapidly.

linearity:
It is really difficult to have an objective conversation with some of you, do you have any evidence that any of the public or CDC testing centers open to the public are testing anyone without symptoms or contact to someone who have tested positive?

You are more than 8000 miles away arguing baselessly, what has Federal system got to do with testing for disease? FYI, all the states follow CDC guidance in their testing. States can put more strict testing protocol, but they cannot be more relax than the federal guidance set in place by CDC.

NY & NJ have tested more people in their 10s of thousands than all the other states combined, even in some of these states; people with symptoms are having difficulty testing, those test sites are not as liberal and free as the ones in the North East.

You clearly does not know how a federated government work...in a federated system, states only have UN-enumerated rights....once rights and rules are set federally, all states in the federation must meet those minimum standards or guidance. Healthcare and medicine in the united states is enumerated and controlled federally and as such, all states must at the minimum meet the federal standards.

linearity:
It is really difficult to have an objective conversation with some of you, do you have any evidence that any of the public or CDC testing centers open to the public are testing anyone without symptoms or contact to someone who have tested positive?

You are more than 8000 miles away arguing baselessly, what has Federal system got to do with testing for disease? FYI, all the states follow CDC guidance in their testing. States can put more strict testing protocol, but they cannot be more relax than the federal guidance set in place by CDC.

NY & NJ have tested more people in their 10s of thousands than all the other states combined, even in some of these states; people with symptoms are having difficulty testing, those test sites are not as liberal and free as the ones in the North East.

You clearly does not know how a federated government work...in a federated system, states only have UN-enumerated rights....once rights and rules are set federally, all states in the federation must meet those minimum standards or guidance. Healthcare and medicine in the united states is enumerated and controlled federally and as such, all states must at the minimum meet the federal standards.

9jaRealist:




I would like to think that my familiarity with the constitution dating back to high school (perhaps even grade school ) did not go to waste, so I would respectfully request that you please enlighten us as to which provision in Article 1 bestows enumerated powers to control healthcare on the federal government (and btw, ALL enumerated powers would be listed in Section 8, just in case you are confused where they would be listed).

Meanwhile, while you are searching, you might also seek an explanation as to why SEVERAL states opted out of the federal government's Obamacare Medicaid Expansion or why as many as 26 states opted out of the Obamacare's state insurance exchanges. In addition, perhaps you could explain why Massachusetts was the first (and only) state to enact a universal healthcare law in 2006, then non-existent at federal level.

I realize that it is feature of most Nigerian discourse to focus upon and personally attack or shade discussants rather than focus on the SUBSTANCE of the matter at hand, so while I am loathe to dignify personal attacks, rest assured that as someone born and educated in the United States (and did not have a Nigerian passport before relocation), I am well versed in the US federal (or "federated" as you call it) system.

Meanwhile, returning to the SUBSTANCE of the matter at hand, I have taken the liberty to quickly and cursorily dig up some easily- and publicly -available information on the DIFFERENT requirements of some of the DIFFERENT states that offer the so-called "drive-through" testing, and as can be clearly seen (see linked article below), DIFFERENT criteria apply but NONE requires only symptoms to qualify for testing.

Furthermore, even assuming arguendo that the presence of symptoms was somehow the sole criteria for testing in the US, given that the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic in the US coincided with the thick of the flu season, it would obviously imply that many people were tested who were actually merely showing flu symptoms (which mirrors much of the COVID-19 symptoms), and thus still a wider testing pool than Nigeria's.

Finally, given the acute demographic difference between the population of the United States and Nigeria, as well as the massive disparity in international traffic into the US in comparison to international traffic into Nigeria, the notion of the disparity in the percentile of positive test results in Nigeria and the US as evidence of a sham process in Nigeria, frankly shows a rather poor grasp (even ignorance) of these matters.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/drive-through-coronavirus-testing-locations-where-to-go-in-your-state
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linearity:
States can’t opt out of a federal mandate, Obamacare came with a out of clause or rather a teaser to allow states to opt in, the initial thinking was that no state could reject the robust offer to get her citizens insured.

Despite states opting out, there are federal exchanges and the fact that your state opt out does not mean as a citizen you are not required to obey the law, you either signed at a federal exchange or get fined, so in essence you are still under the federal guidelines.

Enumerated rights are not only constitutional, the problem you have is, you solely depend on google or third hand information for your option. Congress enacts laws everyday that are not enumerated in the constitution, those laws also become part of federal guidelines that all states at the minimum must follow. In the absent of a federal law or a constitutional enumerated rights, guidelines or laws, states can come in to enact theirs. I doubt know why you brought up MA, did that universal healthcare contravene all federal law? I never stated that states cannot enact their own laws or guidelines, all I stated is if there is a federal guideline or law, states must at the minimum follow them.

You clearly missed my point on someone having a ‘symptoms’. Your symptom must not necessarily lead to the diagnosis of covid-19. You only need to show some of the symptoms listed....it could just be an ordinary cough and the officials will make a judgment call if you qualify to take the test or could be a reaction to an allergy or anything.

The link you sent, does not in anywhere state that you can just show up at a test station without any symptoms and get tested. It still emphasized the fact that, you must show symptoms or get a doctor’s prescription. Getting a doctors’s or having travelled abroad or having been in contact with someone that had tested positive were the initial criteria to get tested. Showing of symptoms was recently added to eliminate the step of first visiting your doctors for a prescription. Within the last 24hrs, it has been added that if you are a first responder you can get tested, in fact new test stations have opened up that are strictly for first responders.

So, you still have not proven your point; show me a link that states they can test all comers, any and all persons that shows up. 1. It is stupid to test everyone that shows up without symptoms, script, travelled abroad, contact with someone with positive result; since you can get it anytime, so testing anyone that shows up makes no sense. 2. Test kits are limited in supply, CDC did not send unlimited approved kits to testing stations...this shortage have made some states to self sourced CDC approved test kits by themselves and they are not going to waste those kits...some states even stated, they will not test you even if you are showing symptoms unless if they determine that, a positive covid-19 test result will change your course of treatment, this is a more strict requirement from that of CDC, but it is in line as states can enact more strict ones.

No matter how available information is, they are always secondary to first hand information.

linearity:
States can’t opt out of a federal mandate, Obamacare came with a out of clause or rather a teaser to allow states to opt in, the initial thinking was that no state could reject the robust offer to get her citizens insured.

Despite states opting out, there are federal exchanges and the fact that your state opt out does not mean as a citizen you are not required to obey the law, you either signed at a federal exchange or get fined, so in essence you are still under the federal guidelines.

Enumerated rights are not only constitutional, the problem you have is, you solely depend on google or third hand information for your option. Congress enacts laws everyday that are not enumerated in the constitution, those laws also become part of federal guidelines that all states at the minimum must follow. In the absent of a federal law or a constitutional enumerated rights, guidelines or laws, states can come in to enact theirs. I doubt know why you brought up MA, did that universal healthcare contravene all federal law? I never stated that states cannot enact their own laws or guidelines, all I stated is if there is a federal guideline or law, states must at the minimum follow them.

You clearly missed my point on someone having a ‘symptoms’. Your symptom must not necessarily lead to the diagnosis of covid-19. You only need to show some of the symptoms listed....it could just be an ordinary cough and the officials will make a judgment call if you qualify to take the test or could be a reaction to an allergy or anything.

The link you sent, does not in anywhere state that you can just show up at a test station without any symptoms and get tested. It still emphasized the fact that, you must show symptoms or get a doctor’s prescription. Getting a doctors’s or having travelled abroad or having been in contact with someone that had tested positive were the initial criteria to get tested. Showing of symptoms was recently added to eliminate the step of first visiting your doctors for a prescription. Within the last 24hrs, it has been added that if you are a first responder you can get tested, in fact new test stations have opened up that are strictly for first responders.

So, you still have not proven your point; show me a link that states they can test all comers, any and all persons that shows up. 1. It is stupid to test everyone that shows up without symptoms, script, travelled abroad, contact with someone with positive result; since you can get it anytime, so testing anyone that shows up makes no sense. 2. Test kits are limited in supply, CDC did not send unlimited approved kits to testing stations...this shortage have made some states to self sourced CDC approved test kits by themselves and they are not going to waste those kits...some states even stated, they will not test you even if you are showing symptoms unless if they determine that, a positive covid-19 test result will change your course of treatment, this is a more strict requirement from that of CDC, but it is in line as states can enact more strict ones.

No matter how available information is, they are always secondary to first hand information.

9jaRealist:




Not going to be bothered to expend time de-constructing your pedantic post...
But it is important enough to affirm that enumerated rights are ONLY found in the constitution.

I realize Nigerians are raised largely on a diet of “cram-and-recite” and thus would often regurgitate without real comprehension...
But frankly your posts are embarrassingly becoming classic examples of half-knowledge sometimes being even worse than none at all. SMH
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9jaRealist:


Which doesn’t stop you commenting on current events in Nigeria...SMH
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linearity:
Yes, I comment on Nigeria events, but am also here to learn and usually defer to people who have first hand knowledge.

Even if I watch Nigeria News all day or do research, all I will get is filtered knowledge made available through someone’s own interpretation.

In your case, you felt that you can get all the information about the US from the internet and through news outlet, which made you to conclude that their are covid-19 testing stations in the US that test everyone and anyone regardless of symptoms or the previous defined contact and travel criteria....I had since challenged you to provide a link authoritative source in US that states that and have not been able to do so.

I took time to read through one of the links you initially provided and look through some of the states criteria and did not see any backing your wrong assertions.

If you have such link, put it up or shut up and learn for once.

NO country on earth has the capacity to test everyone...
Not just the testing equipment but the needed reagents are obviously in acute demand worldwide at this time.

Accordingly, each country necessarily PRIORITIZES who gets tested...
In Nigeria's case, those already showing symptoms go directly to the front of the line.

Nope, you can get tested in the US w/out symptoms in those so-called "drive-through" test centers set up in some states...
Meanwhile, Nigeria tests only those with symptoms and trace contacts (which was why the "highly connected" at Aso Rock were tested).

linearity:


Time to expand your understanding from your myopic cram-n-recite understanding of what enumerated rights are.

The word ‘enumerated’ simply means, mentioned or listed or or counted or defined....enumerated rights simply means rights specifically mentioned in the laws of a particular system given to people there.

It is myopic of you to think that, the constitution is the only source of enumerated rights. The constitution is just one source of such rights, congressional laws is another source, the UN also codifies a number of enumerated rights for everyone on earth e.g. human rights, prisoner of war rights, etc. Enumerated rights are rights derived from exiting laws and the constitution is not the only exiting law, unenumerated rights are rights implied from existing laws. I believe you know how to google, so you can look up those definitions yourself at least learn something.

If you read through my analogies, I didn’t confide my use of enumerated rights to just the constitution as a source, you are the one exposing your half baked knowledge, limiting listed or mentioned rights to only rights contained in the constitution, snap off that myopic mind set and look at the big picture and the meaning and usage of the word enumerate or unenumerate...it’s not a complicate English word.

9jaRealist:


When you find yourself in a hole, quit digging...

Enumerated powers in the context of the US federal system and constitution means literally those powers SPECIFICALLY listed (or 'enumerated') in Article 1. Accordingly, the enumerated powers of the US government can ONLY be found in the constitution. PERIOD! The constitution is the grundnorm and EVERY other right, privilege or law is derived from the constitution. The fact that you're even implying that other laws or treaties [b]share any sort of co-equivalency with the constitutio[/b]n is yet another embarrassing instance of half-knowledge being worse than none at all. SMH
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