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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by Mraphel: 10:42pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
gregyboy:Stop being emotional about it. Fact speak for itself. And it's an Oba rulling benin Kingdom till today..isn't that fact enough. If you can't admit the Ogiso family history of Benin, Oba of Benin coronation speech and you ignore the Yoruba accounts on Benin then you cannot be helped |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 10:48pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Mraphel: They are all political myth Coined in the former western region |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by Mraphel: 10:55pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
davidnazee:Was an Oba, his title is Deji of Akure All the kings in all the Yoruba land are Obas their title is d difference. Oba of Ife...(title Ooni) Oba of Akure (Deji Oba of Oyo (Alafin) Oba of Benin (Omonoba) Oba of lagos (Eleko) Etc |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 11:00pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
OgboAto: Tell me more on this shit please Again why did first arguing in the favour of benin and ife myth |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 11:14pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Mraphel: Lol, hahahahaha He calls omonoba a title lol lol this yorubas ehnn It is a setence not a title or name it is omonoba nedo ukwakolopolo (the son of the oba the giant one) this sentence was made recently to sing praise to the oba it started from oba Erediawa Oba originally remains the benin title Instead of you commenting follow the thread while we uncover the ife benin myth Since you feel lazy to do your research and choose to speak on myth |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 11:20pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
gregyboy: In this sort of debate, just knowing your history is not enough, you also need to know and understand your opponent history and politics. That is why I referred to Silversniper contribution as a breath of fresh air, he just didn't know Benin history alone but also Yoruba history and politics, that's why he was able to counter them from both ends. From his submission, I learned that Alaafin told the British that they used to pay tributes to Benin, the Yorubas historian Johnson wrote that Ooni is from the descendants of shrine keeper, that Benin used to supply guns to Yoruba to kill themselves and Alaafin once beg oba of Benin for troops to help in Oyo war with it's other Yoruba tribes. Now this guy I was responding to just disclosed that Oduduwa planned a coup to take over a position that was not his. That the people that call themselves Oduduwa princes were actually his followers that were chased out of Ife after Oduduwa was murdered. Oranmiyan came back to fight his Ife people with guns blazing. Some Yoruba obas that are claiming Ife princes are fake. All these information are very useful. These are the sort of information the other Yoruba guys hide and be using the Benin supremacy arguments to unite themselves. Meanwhile the Alaafin and Ife don't even agree on the origin of Oduduwa. So, next time they tell you of how they are superior to you, you tell them to go and first sort out their history. Always learn to expand your arguments, don't narrow it down to one particular aspect. The reason, the Yorubas are one is because of Nigeria, if Nigeria should divide tomorrow, their wars will start all over again. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by Mraphel: 11:23pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
gregyboy:Oba Akenzua of Benin has the the same title as (Omo'noba) but you claimed started from Ereduwa right? |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 11:33pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
samuk: Wait was there gun during oromiyan and oduduwa time Politics have hidden our true history The kparakpo war lives so many hidden secrets untold by benin and yorubas The truth is the commoners will always leave in shadow I need more info on this samuk |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 11:39pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Mraphel: I told its a sentence and i gave you the meaning of it, akenzua started that sentence Ovaramwen was called nogbisi So go fucking edit that stuff before you mislead other people |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 11:41pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
TAO11: You are still repeating this nonsense after your bobble has been busted. Which Oduduwa was Oghene. Please learn Yoruba history and politics from your superior below, then come back when you fully understand. They and their ex-king are not a very smart people. Their entire history is based on the need to provide an alternative - by this I mean the need to provide what they consider a realistic account grounded on the physical which they assume would be much more widely acceptable to the public as opposed to the Oyo account of Mecca & Sky chain descent. I call it a Oyo account because it was propagated by Oyo for the need to project the Oduduwa sharing properties and allotting lands to Oranmiyan in order to project Alaafin's fraudulent claim of 'King of Yoruba' title started during the Ekitiparapo wars, a time when Ife were without an Ooni, exiled to Oke Igbo & Isoya and with their town completely razed to the ground. These Bini & their revisionist king forgot that every Yoruba town has its homegrown or say nationalistic tales of the origins of Yoruba/Oduduwa meant to project their throne in a certain light. They & their revisionist king forgot the Oyo account is not Yoruba nation's account but they want it to be so badly to make their Ekalederhen concoction stick. Oduduwa - Odu to du iwa -[the powerful man that contested leadership] also known as Osin Ora was an indigenous Ejigbomekun ma who did not only divide the town into two by carving out Ife & leaving the rest of the town under Obatala. He was eventually murdered, his reign was extremely short & as opposed to Oyo story of his sons [largely his followers rather than sons] trooping out from Ita Ijero, were actually expelled and the town re-integrated & leadership continued in the order of succession as it was before Oduduwa who could not wait for his quarter's turn carried out a coup. This was the reason oranmiyan came back fighting wars to reinstate whatever with guns blazing. To sustain pan-Yoruba unity & not ruin the story within which certain kings such as Owa Ilesa & most of these Yoruba Oba Alade have claimed relevance & rights is why Ife has been mostly quiet about these nonsenses. Ife knows what kings have links with Ife & what compound or quarters they belong. To make everyone happy, Ife accommodates conjectural shxt & wild claims from all quarters. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 11:45pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
samuk: I hope soon we will put this ife and benin beef to rest And i can get to lay the stinky pussy of TAO11 after this |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 11:48pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
gregyboy: There were no guns, it was for emphasis. The guy is showing how disgusted he was with Oranmiyan 's actions for invading Ife because Oduduwa was murdered. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 12:07am On Apr 11, 2020 |
gregyboy: Good luck on the laying aspect. They are just using the Benins to unite themselves. You can see the pain in that guys writeup. There is so much anger and confusion within the Yoruba Obas. We are even helping them by saying Benin/Ife relationship is fabrication. The Oba of Benin that wrote Benin into Ife history played a fast political move on them. As Benin lost it's empire, it has to capture the monarchy of a larger tribe just the way Rome lost it's empire but captured the Catholic church by becoming the headquarter. You just have to understand the politics involved. The Alaafin and Ooni can not reconcile their history of Oduduwa. Ooni is the so called supreme head but it's the Alaafin that appoints chief for all Yoruba land like the title given to Gani Adams recently. The Ooni and Alaafin will always fight themselves because their seats are appointed by politicians and they can be dethroned. The only secured monarchy representing Oduduwa is Oba of Benin. Those that really understand this are not happy. Ooni and Alaafin that you see in all parties can hardly make the Yorubas monarchy sacred. Erediawa already told the old Ooni that he is their royal father. It was a very clever move by the Benin, let the idiots that doesn't understand the political calculations keep on arguing. How weak do you think their Obas will be in the next fifty years. They are already very weak. The Oba of Lagos don't even have any respect for the Ooni but calls oba of Benin his father. When Erediawa went to visit the Ooni before the last one, the Ooni offered Erediawa his chair/throne and sat in another chair. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 12:29am On Apr 11, 2020 |
samuk: The benin should withdrawal themselves from this mess they kept themselves We are out of western region the truth need to be told to us |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by BabaRamota1980: 5:57am On Apr 11, 2020 |
When i read somethings online makes me want to reach in and give upper cut. Edo are the most backward and confused ethnic group in Nigeria. You are confused. Honestly, utterly confused. Who the fvk wrote that nonsense that Benin is from Nupe and Igalah? Abeg raise your hand if na you. The only thing you Edo are good at is witchery and selling pussy. Thats it. Benin from Nupe! Are you high or what? |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 7:19am On Apr 11, 2020 |
BabaRamota1980: Young man were do you think we are from yoruba I hope you have been following the thread and you now know edo was mever part of Oduduwa but only jumped into the story for political reasons |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 7:35am On Apr 11, 2020 |
I guess there was never ekaladeran And there was never Oduduwa Ghostwon had said thos earlier it came out to be the truth oba of benin had told the story of ekaladeran for his political aspirations In the former western region Ife all this was a myth The title oba was always benin indigenous The name beny was originally given by the Portuguese The gods in benin some were borrowed and some original |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 8:22am On Apr 11, 2020 |
gregyboy: Let me give you the political angle to the history and try to understand the politics involved. Like religion, history could also be used as a political too to control the people. If you understand the politics involved, the current fabrication may be difficult to change. In the future the Oba of Benin will be the Oba of all Obas and he already has legitimacy because of the Ife/Oduduwa connections they are teaching everyone now. The Yoruba Obas are too weak to compete with the Benin throne for superiority. The Ooni and Alaafin are just paper weight Obas. That's what Rome did with christianity by making Rome the headquarters of christendom and the Pope the most senior Christian on earth even though christianity didn't start in Rome. Rome was a pagan nation with nothing to do with christianity, they even persecuted early Christians. Though Benin have lost the empire but will retain the seniority amongst all Obas/monarchs in the southern/middle belt Nigeria. Benin is already the spiritual headquarter for those various tribes tracing their roots back to Benin. Tell me any monarch that is as debated as much as the Oba of Benin in Nigeria, not even the Sultan of Sokoto or Emir of Kano get that much mention. Show me how many threads here on nairaland debating them. You only hear about Ooni and Alaafin in debates because of Benin. If you take Benin out of their debates, it becomes boring. But Benin history doesn't need anyone else to be interesting. Only very few Yoruba are able to think at this level That guy got the gist and the reason he is not happy. The other Yoruba guys here are not very clever. I hope you are following the history from the political angle. It's all about power play. So the Palace knows what they are doing by keep repeating the history the way they do. The truth may be that the Oba of Benin, Ooni and Alaafin are not even related at all. That is the reason none of them agree on who the mythical Oduduwa is. Oduduwa himself may not have existed at all. But the Ife and Oyo made a very big mistake by presenting Oduduwa as a foreigner or spirit from the sky rather than actual human. It's only when Benin put a human face to him by linking him to their banished prince Ekaladerhan, they realised their mistake. But it's too late now for them to come back and tell us Oduduwa was born in Ife. They will have to burn almost all their history books and discredits all their historical sources and historians. As it stands, the Benin version of Oduduwa is the most plausible. The other versions are laughable because nobody will believe Oduduwa climbed down from the sky and no record of him being in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. Hope you get the gist now. You can relax and begin to pursue your girlfriend. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by SilverSniper: 8:39am On Apr 11, 2020 |
The first modern historian to mention some sort of connection between Benin and Nupe was Jacob Egharevba, the Obakhavbaye of Benin. He first mentions that there were some waves of migration from Nupe into Benin during Benin's prehistory or very earliest period in his work Bini Titles (1956), and later refers again to waves of migration from Nupe (among other places) into early Benin in the 4th edition (1968) of his book A Short History of Benin, whereas he does not mention these supposed waves of Nupe migrations in earlier editions of that book or in his earliest works in general. Of course it is well known to historians by now that there were multiple changes - some minor and unimportant, some significant - in his accounts of Benin history over time. I am not sure what he based this idea on, but since Egharevba's first mention of waves of migration from Nupe into Benin during its earliest period, when the Benin area was first being settled, is from nearly a decade before Ryder published his article "A Reconsideration of the Ife-Benin Relationship" (1965) - an article in which Ryder proposes the idea of there being some kind of deeper connection between Benin and the Nupe-Igala area than previously supposed - it is clear that Egharevba's notion about some sort of connection with Nupe does not derive from Ryder's theory or research. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 11:34am On Apr 11, 2020 |
samuk: She won't be able to swallow the fact that the ife and benin beef was a myth she wont let go never she will keep sitting egharevba tales and keep getting wet on it I think benin is not winning this one not when nigeria is still together the yorubas will always back the ooni of ife against the Oduduwa myth Benin happend to be the newset stranger among the myth Benin side of ife story was a clap down, it was the best but trabalism from the yorubas prevailed over it Lets just tell the real stories behind all this shit So there will be no need for the upcomings arguing on some made up shit |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 12:14pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
gregyboy: Most people propagating this stories know the truth. Did you read Silversniper post above, even Egharevba knew about the Nupe/Igala/Benin relationship but it was suppressed/not mentioned in the earlier edition of his book. The Palace benefits from the Benin/Ife narrative because it put them in a very good position anyway you look at it. There is nothing new research is going to find today that the palace is not already aware of. Don't forget that Egharevba was also a palace chief. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 12:48pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
samuk: Hmm the common man is fed with scrap of the elite if only we can remove this ife-benin relationship aside we can really find our true history as benin I got to find out that even The ekaladeran and ogiso story was a myth in ancient benin told to explain the emerge of the benin monarchy The ogiso and ekaladeran stories are myth in benin to explain the benin history The benin should do proper research on the benin migration from the Niger river The benue people also eat pounde yam as thier delicacy more research should be done on this area i believe thats were the Oghene came from The artwork that had the tribal mark was probably from around the niger area |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 3:09pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
gregyboy: Now you know, but the palace doesn't want to hear about it. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 4:01pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
samuk: This thread has gone silent Were is TAO11 i bet should will never forgive herself the truth came out i just so pity her now who will she argue all this myth of a research she has done, I always told her not just to post links or references but she should analyze the info on the references before pasting it here, but she wouldn't listen |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 5:18pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
gregyboy: I noticed the same too, they have all run away. They probably realised the politics surrounding the myths and that the arguments and evidences are no longer in their favour. They can now see the myths for themselves. They have to first determine if Oduduwa was real or myth, then answer the question of his origin before even attempting the Benin/Ife history. Without Oduduwa, there is no Benin/Ife relationship. Too much evidence to show that Benin/Ife connection is a lie. Ooni and Alaafin have their own versions of Oduduwa. The Benin have their own version too. Nobody can agree on who is right. These are all too much for them to process. This is the result you get when you expand the arguments. Don't allow them to box you into the corner of Benin/Yoruba superiority. Whilst they are shouting superiority, you will be examining the evidences and pointing out the errors. I told you they are not very smart and clever. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 5:37pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
samuk: True talk bro. Long live the Edo nation/people. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by Nobody: 5:42pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
davidnazee:Edo nation? Name Edo nations? |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 5:50pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
MelesZenawi: What do you want to know? |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by Nobody: 5:52pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
davidnazee:Everything particularly the make up of Edo nation/people |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 6:20pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
samuk: No, the accounts that are not supported by widespread independent evidences are discounted by every sane people. It's not about who records an account, but about what the merit/demerit of each account at every point in time. Your nemesis is back from ban. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 6:22pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
samuk: Sources claiming Benin artwork You're high again on kerosene!! Did you by any chance visit Abia state?? |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 6:31pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
samuk: Not only Oduduwa who was regarded by Oghene by the Edos. Everyone who ruled as king in Ife was regarded by the Edo as Oghene. Evidence?? See below again!! From Omo N'Oba Eweka II, from Omo N'Oba Erediauwa I, From Horton et al. (a) In his "May 2004 The Benin-Ife Comnection", Omo N'Oba Erediauwa II noted emphatically that Oduduwa (who was the Ooni of Ife during his days) was known by the Benin people as Oghene n'Uhe. Refer to the link below for "Oghene n'Uhe" in Oba Erediauwa II's May 2004 work: https://www.edo-nation.net/erediauwa1.htm (b) Citing different instances of Ife's political influence as exercised through the Ifa cult, Robin Horton alludes to a Benin tradition in his 1979 "Ancient Ife: A Reassessment" as follows: "Yet another tradition, this time from Benin, tells how the oracle of the Oghene of Uhe ("Oni of Ife" ) forewarned the Oba of Benin of impending calamity a few years before the disastrous encounter with the British." Reference: Robin Horton, "Ancient Ife: A Reassessment", Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol 9. No. 4 (June 1979), p.124. Regarding OgboAto's comment, it's a pity that your thinking is too base-level and skull too thick to see that he simply agreed with me that you Edos and your Oba Erediauwa I are not very smart people who couldn't see that Oduduwa was a full-blooded Ife-Yoruba man. I think I need to call on him, OgboAto, to drill your skull further deeper. |
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