MetaPhysical:


In fact, Thornton published a book to put forward a claim that Oba of Benin was subject of a King of Nupe/Igala.

Whichever direction you take Benin is accounted as a lesser King to a much greater King ....a foreigner that lives elsewhere.

You can counter Yoruba claim but you cannot escape from the fact that Oba derived authority from another ethnic. This is your burden for eternity!

cc
TAO11

Sir we are trying to find our history i would love if you help and dont fight us, yes you can bring point to justify ogene was ife it is stands reasonable we will accept with same or anyway
You can also help us disprove the fact its not nupe or igala it is probably ijaw if it is traceable we all will accept but putting bigotry in it because you are yoruba and you want the story to be told to your own is bigotry and thats what we are fighting you for, atleast if you are not helping us in this but continue to bring point tracing benin to
Ife if it makes sense we will accept thats what scholars do, but in you doing be truthful to yourself and to the answers we give you.. And dont be bigoted minded because of tribe it is funny it was the whitemen who reexamine the history of ife and benin relationship for us but it does not guarantee its validity of truthfulness
But i choozs to carryout more research on it to ascertain the truth

So help us and dont fight us

I believe on humanity before anything

samuk:


More on Benin/Igala relationship told by the Igalas themselves. There is also a nollywood movie by Mercy Johnson.

You can find the history and her statue on the internet.

The Legend of Igala Kingdom- Princess In
Princess Inikpi of Kogi

According to historical records, It all started with a war between Benin & the Igala people which caused the land to be unsafe, farmlands were taken over by the enemies and stream been poisoned so that anyone that drank from them would die. Nowhere was safe at all.

The Igalas feared imminent death from starvation and lack of water. When the Atta (King) consulted the oracle, it proclaimed that a reversal of their misfortune and victory in the war could only come when the princess, the only daughter of the king is buried alive. — Princess Inikpi.

Surely, the king was distraught heartbroken and shaded tears. For days, he didn’t eat or drink and he wished for an alternative solution. Of cos, no father would just agree for any of his children to be buried alive not to talk about the only child of the Atta (King).

The princess noticed the worries of her father and asked to know the reason for his sadness. Instead of opening up, he held off telling her the reason for seven days, but on the eighth, he relented and told her the words of the Oracle.

The Princess loved his father and her people as much as they loved her, could not bear the thought of holding off on the solution that would save Igala land. Princess Inikpi did not object, she did not fight. Therefore, she agreed to be sacrificed and set off voluntarily to the bank of River Niger at Idah (some say market square), where she was buried along with 9 slaves who would help her in the journey to the afterlife.



It was a sad resolution but the Igala people hailed her for her heroism. after the sacrifice, the story went on that as the Bini armies advanced to swoop, they saw the whole town in FLAMES and retreated feeling that there was no need taking the war to a place already on fire; but it was the blood of Inikpi that deceived them. However, it was the influence of the sacrifice.

Observance of the role the Princess played in averting disaster in Igala land still represents an important historical event in the life of the igala people. Today, so many people in Idah bear the name Inikpi in honour of the princess.

The sacrifice was a costly one, very expensive indeed, it, however, made peace reign again in Igala land.

Till today, the late Princess Inikpi who was sacrificed so that the Igalas might live remains the unifying factor in Igala land.

For this, the Igala people are forever deeply grateful to Princess Inikpi for her sacrifice and act of heroism. A statue of the princess stands at “Ega” in Idah, which is considered the Igala traditional headquarters. Several plays have also been produced to celebrate her story

Yea i know this history

gregyboy:



Yea i know this history

Metaphysical is probably not aware of it, he wouldn't have been speculating that Oba of Benin was answerable to Atta of Igala at any time in history.

MetaPhysical:


In fact, Thornton published a book to put forward a claim that Oba of Benin was subject of a King of Nupe/Igala.

Whichever direction you take Benin is accounted as a lesser King to a much greater King ....a foreigner that lives elsewhere.

You can counter Yoruba claim but you cannot escape from the fact that Oba derived authority from another ethnic. This is your burden for eternity!

cc
TAO11

Why do u keep promoting and celebrating baseless claims and unproven hearsay.. the only proven fact and documented hundreds of years ago is that Benin conquered and ruled over vast territories of Yorubaland. Yoruba kings were subjects to the Benin king and were often beheaded for disobedience.
The burden of that fact is urs to carry and live with.

Which ever direction u look, the impact of benin is still felt today as a super power and that is why u are having this discussion.
I think Benin probably beheaded your king.

gregyboy:



Sir we are trying to find our history i would love if you help and dont fight us, yes you can bring point to justify ogene was ife it is stands reasonable we will accept with same or anyway
You can also help us disprove the fact its not nupe or igala it is probably ijaw if it is traceable we all will accept but putting bigotry in it because you are yoruba and you want the story to be told to your own is bigotry and thats what we are fighting you for, atleast if you are not helping us in this but continue to bring point tracing benin to
Ife if it makes sense we will accept thats what scholars do, but in you doing be truthful to yourself and to the answers we give you.. And dont be bigoted minded because of tribe it is funny it was the whitemen who reexamine the history of ife and benin relationship for us but it does not guarantee its validity of truthfulness
But i choozs to carryout more research on it to ascertain the truth

So help us and dont fight us

I believe on humanity before anything

If it was true that the Oba of Benin at anytime in the past sort for validity from any source, the source according to Benin history could have been a deity.

The deity was so held in high reverence that it's often said in Benin that it was because people often give birth to children that will be greater than them, that was the reason God created/gave birth to this deity, meaning that this deity was seen in the past as either on the same level or greater than God. It wasn't human.

The European could have mistaken the high priest of this deity to be a king.

There is still a village close to Benin that is the headquarters of this shrine and deity, they are the only people till date that celebrate the Igue festival before the Oba.

After they celebrate Igue, the Oba, the princes/princess, followed by the rest of Edo people.

You would have probably know the village I am referring to by now.

I don't want to say much before the Yorubas claim it as theirs.

This shrine was similar to the ancient Greek shrine of Delphi.

The ancient Greeks considered the centre of the world to be in Delphi.

It was were everyone including kings in the classical world went to consult the oracle of Appolo.

"Apollo spoke through his oracle. She had to be an older woman of blameless life chosen from among the peasants of the area. Alone in an enclosed inner sanctum (Ancient Greek adyton - "do not enter" she sat on a tripod seat over an opening in the earth (the "chasm"."

The practice is very similar to the source Metaphysical quoted in the other thread.

1486 João de Barros: Pre-Protuguese Christian influence in Benin - Ibid., 126-7

MetaPhysical:


Everywhere we look, Benin, Edo took origin at Ife. Whether told by African or European, whether in folklore, myth, oral or written history there is consensus that Ife is the origin.

Slaves will always try to rebel and usurp noble positions out of their reach.

Thanks TAO!

The only renowned slaves are the Yorubas, so what are you talking about?

davidnazee:


The only renowned slaves are the Yorubas, so what are you talking about?

He forget that former Yoruba slaves could still be found in Brazil and other Latin America countries.

What does Delphi have to do with this discussion?

samuk:


If it was true that the Oba of Benin at anytime in the past sort for validity from any source, the source according to Benin history could have been a deity.

The deity was so held in high reverence that it's often said in Benin that it was because people often give birth to children that will be greater than them, that was the reason God created/gave birth to this deity, meaning that this deity was seen in the past as either on the same level or greater than God. It wasn't human.

The European could have mistaken the high priest of this deity to be a king.

There is still a village close to Benin that is the headquarters of this shrine and deity, they are the only people till date that celebrate the Igue festival before the Oba.

After they celebrate Igue, the Oba, the princes/princess, followed by the rest of Edo people.

You would have probably know the village I am referring to by now.

I don't want to say much before the Yorubas claim it as theirs.

This shrine was similar to the ancient Greek shrine of Delphi.

The ancient Greeks considered the centre of the world to be in Delphi.

It was were everyone including kings in the classical world went to consult the oracle of Appolo.

"Apollo spoke through his oracle. She had to be an older woman of blameless life chosen from among the peasants of the area. Alone in an enclosed inner sanctum (Ancient Greek adyton - "do not enter" she sat on a tripod seat over an opening in the earth (the "chasm"."

The practice is very similar to the source Metaphysical quoted.

Even the early European kings sort approval of their crown from the pope, and they all revered the pope and regarded him as their spiritual leader. Does that mean the pope or Vatican was greater than these European kings or kingdoms?

many of those writers these Yorubas are citing now always noted that Ife was a spiritual place just like the Vatican was to Europe. They never said Ife was an empire or greater than Benin.

davidnazee:


The only renowned slaves are the Yorubas, so what are you talking about?

Benin did not sell slaves because your Oba reserved you as a sacrifice stock to Yoruba gods.

davidnazee:


Even the early European kings sort approval of their crown from the pope, and they all revered the pope and regarded him as their spiritual leader. Does that mean the pope or Vatican was greater than these European kings or kingdoms?

many of those writers these Yorubas are citing now always noted that Ife was a spiritual place just like the Vatican was to Europe. They never said Ife was an empire or greater than Benin.

The early writers themselves never actually mentioned Ife per say, even Benin never mentioned Ife but Uhe.

The place that was mentioned by early European writers was either a place referred to as Ogane or Uhe.

It was the later day Yoruba influenced historians that stated equating Ogane or Uhe to mean Ife.

You will not find Ife written anywhere in most of the early written accounts of Benin history by Europeans.

MetaPhysical:


Benin did not sell slaves because your Oba reserved you as a sacrifice stock to Yoruba gods.

So we are not slaves but sacrificial stocks?? lol. So you agree you guys are the slaves.

samuk:


The early writers themselves never actually mentioned Ife per say, even Benin never mentioned Ife but Uhe.

The place that was mentioned by early European writers was either a place referred to as Ogane or Uhe.

It was the later day Yoruba influenced historians that stated equating Ogane or Uhe to mean Ife.

You will not find Ife written anywhere in most of the early written accounts of Benin history by Europeans.

This your comment just brought a question to my mind to as the Yorubas.

The early Europeans never mentioned the name Ife in their writings and binis never mentioned Ife but uhe.
So please Yoruba people, what was the early name of Ife?? If it has always been called Ife then the place mentioned by the early writers and bini was not Ife because they couldn’t have mistaken the name for another name.

davidnazee:


This your comment just brought a question to my mind to as the Yorubas.

The early Europeans never mentioned the name Ife in their writings and binis never mentioned Ife but uhe.
So please Yoruba people, what was the early name of Ife?? If it has always been called Ife then the place mentioned by the early writers and bini was not Ife because they couldn’t have mistaken the name for another name.

Now you begin to see yourself lets give honour to ghostwon who had always maintained the truth that Oduduwa and ife story were made up

Lets give honour to also afc Ryder works on the relationship btw ife and benin written 1968
And so many foreign writers who had pointed fact out to disapproved the ife and benin connections

I hope TAO11 would come and challenge this fact again he really pushed me to read articles i wouldn't had read or come acriss with to find the truth, unfortunately he is an hater of the truth he is scared soon they will be no debate for him and the its ife people again

*Orun oba ado has finally been disproven
*Ife benin connection was a liar
*The Oduduwa stories only belinged to the ife and not originally the entire yoruba
*Benin early historian originally mentioned uhe a nickname for ughoton, but our historian egharevba in a bid to get his doctorate degree at ibadan he falsefully connected both stories

Please were ever you go even in the Benin palace prove it there was never a bini ife history

A page would come up from me in my spare time on this topic addressing in fully
Samuk

To our yoruba brothers you are free to debate on this and we will prove you all wrong

gomojam
DonCandido
Amujale
macof
Sewgon79
lx3as
Opiletool
nisai
2fine2fast
Aphrygian
Olu317
Obalufon
geosegun

gregyboy:



Now you begin to see yourself lets give honour to ghostwon who had always maintained the truth that Oduduwa and ife story were made up

Lets give honour to also afc Ryder works on the relationship btw ife and benin written 1968
And so many foreign writers who had pointed fact out to disapproved the ife and benin connections

I hope TAO11 would come and challenge this fact again he really pushed me to read articles i wouldn't had read or come acriss with to find the truth, unfortunately he is an hater of the truth he is scared soon they will be no debate for him and the its ife people again

*Orun oba ado has finally been disproven
*Ife benin connection was a liar
*The Oduduwa stories only belinged to the ife and not originally the entire yoruba
*Benin early historian originally mentioned uhe a nickname for ughoton, but our historian egharevba in a bid to get his doctorate degree at ibadan he falsefully connected both stories

Please were ever you go even in the Benin palace prove it there was never a bini ife history

A page would come up from me in my spare time on this topic addressing in fully
Samuk

To our yoruba brothers you are free to debate on this and we will prove you all wrong

gomojam
DonCandido
Amujale
macof
Sewgon79
lx3as
Opiletool
nisai
2fine2fast
Aphrygian
Olu317
Obalufon
geosegun

then oba of Benin must be part of that delusion cuz when he came to ife he acknowledged oduduwa and oranmiyan as his ancestors

Moneywomen17:
then oba of Benin must be part of that delusion cuz when he came to ife he acknowledged oduduwa and oranmiyan as his ancestors

Yea definitely am sorry to say but its the truth he is part of it during his grandfather reign akenzua they mainted the original story of ekaladeran escaping to ughoton even my grandparents told the storie to me they never mentioned ife or anything relating to oromiyan coming coming to benin, but overtime the myth egharevba created even Bagan to sink in the palace its funny but its truth....logically things are not adding up in the ife and benin story the Portuguese never even experienced it or even heard of it
The gap left in the story are always feed with more lies to cover up the leakage orun oba ado was one of the lies created by the yorubas, they also wanted to use the oghane to also cover the lies but they were busted because the Portuguese wrote on it....

Its better the palace start correcting themselves

The yorubas should provide the family of oduduwa because we all know that the ooni is not related to him

gregyboy:



Yea definitely am sorry to say but its the truth he is part of it during his grandfather reign akenzua they mainted the original story of ekaladeran escaping to ughoton even my grandparents told the storie to me they never mentioned ife or anything relating to oromiyan coming coming to benin, but overtime the myth egharevba created even Bagan to sink in the palace its funny but its truth....logically things are not adding up in the ife and benin story the Portuguese never even experienced it or even heard of it
The gap left in the story are always feed with more lies to cover up the leakage orun oba ado was one of the lies created by the yorubas, they also wanted to use the oghane to also cover the lies but they were busted because the Portuguese wrote on it....

Its better the palace start correcting themselves

lol so the truth is that Benin story have been changing from generations to generation. Well am not surprised that’s what happens with oral history. With that said u said the original story that Elkhadaren or whoever he was escaped to ughoton and there is no correlation to ife or any oduduwa. So ife and oduduwa seperate from Benin and elkhadaren. I want u to acknowledge this before I move on to my next point.

Hi MetaPhysical:

I am very pleased to be back on here since about this time yesterday.

The reason I've been away is as seen in the attachment below.

The Benin liars must be shiting their pants now that I am back.

They understand that the sl@yer of their lies is back.

I am not sent to Nairaland except to deal with lying Bini Nairalanders.

All their lies will be busted one after the other, as I have already done on other threads from where they eacaped down here.

The specific reason why they are coming up with their one-week old revision of no Ife-Benin connection is simply as follows:

I have demolished their Izoduwa/Ekaladerhan joke beyond any repair.

So, they urgently convened a WhatsApp group meeting (I have evidence) to resolve that:

Since their only hope --- which is the Izoduwa/Ekaladerhan joke --- has been destroyed by this wicked TAO11, then they will kuku hide their shame by saying there is no connection at all sef.

Their agreement is that they will repeat this lie numerous times with the hope that everyone will agree.

Well, repeating a lie even a billion times will not eventually turn it into a truth.


I am here for them. Taking the issues one after the other. And it's only 4:51PM where I live.


Thanks!

MetaPhysical:

In case I get banned again, please reach me on TAO.11@yahoo.com. Please drop me your email as well.

Now, I will be taking the issue from the
Ife-Benin Connection, then I will move to Orun Oba Ado, and then to
the Ogané (whom d'Aveiros noted to be to the "east" of Benin) who is none other than the Ooni of Ife..

I have dealt with these three issues on the other threads where they went absolutely quiet.

They've only escaped down here to deceive those who didn't witness the exchange all because I was away.

God don catch them Im back.

TAO11:
MetaPhysical:

In case I get banned again, please reach me on TAO.11@yahoo.com. Please drop me your email as well.

Now, I will be taking the issue from the
Ife-Benin Connection, then I will move to Orun Oba Ado, and then to
the Ogané (whom d'Aveiros noted to be to the "east" of Benin) who is none other than the Ooni of Ife..

I have dealt with these three issues on the other threads where they went absolutely quiet.

They've only escaped down here to deceive those who didn't witness the exchange all because I was away.

God don catch them Im back.

Welcome back jare.

All their portuguese partners and Dutch partners and even British conquerors have told them their Oba is a lesser king to a Superior one in a foreign land.

If they like they should reject Ife. That does not save them from the fact that they are subordinate to another superior power here in the South, whether East o, North o, West o, South o. They remain a subordinate that must obtain authority of another monarch before they can coronate.

This is a fact!

Whether na Yoruba, Igala, Ibo...or even Nupe, all we know is Oba of Benin is a subordinate king.

In fact the group picture Prince Charles tool with traditional rulers gave hint.

Moneywomen17:
lol so the truth is that Benin story have been changing from generations to generation. Well am not surprised that’s what happens with oral history. With that said u said the original story that Elkhadaren or whoever he was escaped to ughoton and there is no correlation to ife or any oduduwa. So ife and oduduwa seperate from Benin and elkhadaren. I want u to acknowledge this before I move on to my next point.

Isn’t the Ife story as narrated by Yoruba oral history too? All oral and myth with no evidence to back it up. Even your oral account are all short sentences and speculations..

(1) Starting with the Ife-Benin Connection of which the Ooni is suzerain over Benin Kingdom:

Unlike the Benin liars, I won't be imagining jokes and passing them off as historical facts.

No, what I will be doing instead is to submit the contemporary unanimous conclusions of historians (by citing academic sources --- and not some my-uncle-told-me stories) in respect of my argument.

Now, is their any shred of historical information dating to the early centuries, which supports the superior connection of Ife to Benin??

Yes! There is more than historical information. There is, in fact, hard archaeological evidence dating to at least the early 1300

Only one example only is enough though.

The first attachment below shows a copper allow figure dated to the early 1300, depicting the then Ooni of Ife in full ceremonial robe.

This identification is according to the unanimous conclusion of experts.

The shocker
-----------------------
This early 1300 figure was EXCAVATED from the palace of Benin Kingdom. And it is kept in the Benin Museum even as I type.

Reference:
S. P. Blier, (2012), p.77.


See also the video link below from time-stamp 49:20


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI

See also 2nd attachment below for evidence of the existence of early European writtings from the 1500s and the 1600s which document the Ife - Benin relationship.

The relevant statement reads: "Historically, ethnographic sources and European writings of the early and mid-sixteenth century [i.e. the early and mid-1500s] ("based on relations from Benin of the late fifteenth century" ) and of the early seventeenth century, also testify to the Second Benin Dynasty's links with Ife."

Reference:
Dmitri M. Bondarenko: "Advent of the Second (Oba) Dynasty: Another Assessment of a Benin History Key Point", History in Africa, Vol. 30, Cambridge University Press, (2003), p.71.

TAO11:
MetaPhysical:

In case I get banned again, please reach me on TAO.11@yahoo.com. Please drop me your email as well.

Now, I will be taking the issue from the
Ife-Benin Connection, then I will move to Orun Oba Ado, and then to
the Ogané (whom d'Aveiros noted to be to the "east" of Benin) who is none other than the Ooni of Ife..

I have dealt with these three issues on the other threads where they went absolutely quiet.

They've only escaped down here to deceive those who didn't witness the exchange all because I was away.

God don catch them Im back.

Is Ife east of Benin? Is your brain correct?
If D’avieros was talking about Ooni and Ife he would have written it correctly as Ooni and ife.

davidnazee:


Is Ife east of Benin? Is your brain correct?
If D’avieros was talking about Ooni and Ife he would have written it correctly as Ooni and ife.

You're in a hurry. You will soon run away like a fool as always.

Chill, why are you shaking already??

Moneywomen17:
lol so the truth is that Benin story have been changing from generations to generation. Well am not surprised that’s what happens with oral history. With that said u said the original story that Elkhadaren or whoever he was escaped to ughoton and there is no correlation to ife or any oduduwa. So ife and oduduwa seperate from Benin and elkhadaren. I want u to acknowledge this before I move on to my next point.

Yep

TAO11:


You're in a hurry. You will soon run away like a fool as always.

Chill, why are you shaking already??

Hey man were did you run to

TAO11:
(1) Starting with the Ife-Benin Connection of which the Ooni is suzerain over Benin Kingdom:

Unlike the Benin liars, I won't be imagining jokes and passing them off as historical facts.

No, what I will be doing instead is to submit the contemporary unanimous conclusions of historians (by citing academic sources --- and not some my-uncle-told-me-stories) in respect of my argument.

Now, is their any shred of historical information dating which supports the superior connection of Ife to Benin??

Yes! There is more than historical information. There is, in fact, hard archaeological evidence dating to at least the early 1300

Only one example only is enough.

The first attachment below shows a copper allow figure dated to the early 1300, depicting the then Ooni of Ife in full ceremonial robe --- according to the unanimous conclusion of experts.

The shocker --- This figure was EXCAVATED from the Palace of Benin Kingdom. And it is kept in the Benin Museum even as I type.

Reference:
S. P. Blier, (2012), p.77.

You are really shallow. A bronze figure from another tribe use as decoration in the Benin palace doesn’t tell any story. There are other sculptures from different tribes used as decoration in palaces.
Benin sculptures were also found in Ooni palace. They are all decorations.

You celebrating an art work found in Benin palace shows how deluded and desperate you are.

davidnazee:


[s]You are really shallow. A bronze figure from another tribe use as decoration in the Benin palace doesn’t tell any story. There are other sculptures from different tribes used as decoration in palaces.
Benin sculptures were also found in Ooni palace. They are all decorations.

You celebrating an art work found in Benin palace shows how deluded and desperate you are.[/s]

I have already warned that you are not allowed to just imagine stuffs. Bring your evidence just as I have been doing.

Moreover, no ancient Benin sculpture (let alone of its king) was ever found in Ife palace. Never! Produce your evidence and be like me.


The president doesn't keep the official portrait of a governor in his office. It's always the other way round.

Moreover, the figure was dated early 1300, and was EXCAVATED from Benin Palace. Very important points.

But even your imagination of "another tribe" (as laughable as it is) still supports connection betwen Ife and Benin.

You have therefore just demolished your brothers' latest damage control stunt of no connection. It's a pity you went against what you all agreed unknowingly.




I'm moving on to the next one (Orun ObA Ado ---- straight) while you all struggle for life on this one.

MetaPhysical

Orun Oba Ado --- Literally: The Heaven of ADO Kings.

This site in Ife is know in Ife tradition to be the burial site of the heads of Benin kings.

According to Channels TV who was present live during his visit, Oba Ewuare II himself paid homage at the site during his two-day visit to Osun state in 2018.

Refer to time-stamp 00:24 to 00:34 of the video below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZhU2AmpvJk

But why does the site's name say Ado?

Was it meant to say Edo?

No, it wasn't meant to say Edo.

It says what it says --- ADO!

Ado is an old name for Benin, used for Benin, by the Binis themselves in early times.

See following for evidence:

MetaPhysical

The name "Ado" in "Orun Oba Ado" is not a Yoruba mistake or misspelling/mispronunciation of "Edo".

In fact, it has nothing to do with the Yorubas, but everything to do with the Binis themselves.

Regarding the historical evidence to demonstrate this, I will turn to only two pieces of independent historical information:

(a) In the Volume 1, Part 3 of Dr. R. E. Bradbury's "The Benin Kingdom and the Edo-Speaking Peoples of South-Western Nigeria", he lists, on page 170, R. E. Dennett's 1903-4 classic amongst his linguistic bibliographies.

The title of R. E. Dennett's work shown under the bibliography helps to shed some interesting light on the name "Ado" for "Benin". The title of the work is as follows:

""Notes of the language of the Efa or Bini, commonly called UZE-ADO." African Affairs, III, ..."

It therefore becomes clear from the foregoing that not only is "Ado" another name for "Benin", it is in fact an endonym.


(b) Furthermore, "The Saturday Review of Politics, Literature, Science and Art", Volume 83, (1897), pp.81-82., reads the following under the sub-heading 'BENIN':

"Another little war is teaching the British taxpayer what there is to know about Benin. It is not much. ... : "The Bight of Benin! the Bight of Benin! From which few come out -- though many go in!" The town of Benin, or Ado, as it is called by its inhabitants, lies some sixty odd miles inland from the coast, ..."

The two foregoing historical information, therefore, show clearly --- without a shred of reasonable doubt --- that the name "Ado" for "Benin" as seen in Orun Oba Ado is in fact astonishingly accurate.

"Ado" as has just been demonstrated was a name for "Benin" by the Binis themselves. You should be grateful to Ife for preserving this quite lost piece of your history.

What about the historical information to support the burial?? See next comments:

MetaPhysical OgboAto

TAO11:


I have already warned that you are not allowed to just imagine stuffs. Bring your evidence just as I have been doing.

Moreover, no ancient Benin sculpture (let alone of its king) was ever found in Ife palace.

The president doesn't keep the official portrait of a governor in his office. Its always the other way round.

Moreover, the figure was dated early 1300, and was excavated.

But even your imagination of another tribe supports connection, therefore demolishing your brothers' latest damage control.


It's a pity you went against what you all agreed unknowingly.




Moving on to the next one (Orun ObA Ado straight) while you all struggle for life on this one.

MetaPhysical

Lets assume its an ooni sculpture bring a recent photo of ooni dressing like that atleast a photo in the contemporary nigeria if they match we will agree its was ooni

Dont mind him davidnazee he is not even aware owo did similar art as the Ife art only god know if its not owo that made the art for ife because even carbon dating records that it has the oldest palace amongst the yoruba people and it is suceeded by a benin stool, probably that artwork came from owo amongst the tribute paid to benin by owo people


The problem i have with you TAO11 you just share links that you feel suit your explanation without having a second thought on the details
That's how you post ryders work to peove a point and the moment i started using it to prove my point you start rejecting it and called it an old error work but you keep posting egharevba old error full works to prove your point


Here is a picture of owo art similar with ife art, we know ife art works are on naturalistic model, am so sure this artwork you claim is ooni of ife was made by benins in owo depicting an owo king and its regalia

Image showing owo art

Image two shows an owo artwork taking semblance with a benin artwork the benin had introduced thier artworks to owo

Samuk