buzugee:

frosbel thinks he deserves to earn higher than the company owner because the company is in his country  dat nicca deserves the pulitzer price for the most 'obtuse reasoning' in the history of mankind  happy new year frosbel 

Mr buzz, have you ever heard of the word, Brian Dead ?  Appears to suit you quite well.


Happy new year too

frosbel:


Mr buzz, have you ever heard of the word, Brian Dead ?  Appears to suit you quite well.


Happy new year too

brian dead ? wow what killed him ?

^

Now I remember, Brain dead was the word.


You should know better, thanks for the correction

frosbel:

^

Now I remember, Brain dead was the word.


You should know better, thanks for the correction

your welcome bruh. happy new year

una people worry oh!

lonewolf:

It's not difficult to see why your got deported. With a penchant for unprompted ramblings, it was always inevitable. Projecting your insanity onto others clearly makes you feel better. Read your posts, see what you are rambling about and kill yourself. You are angry at life. You are angry at your parents. You are angry because you are a failure. Lmao. But as I have said, it's clear that you are struggling with a brain power that's fatally limited and an IQ that hovers slightly over minus 0.0000674.

E-whoopings unlimited bruv.

You know when those boys in jail worked you over did they damage your back passage  Is that why you are so filled with rage?

Have you discovered that you are now incapable of having children due to the extensive damage sustained during that terrible ordeal?

I ask this because your responses are so full of rage and despair i get the feeling that you are really really on the verge of suicide, only a person whose life is so devoid of any iota of happiness would vomit the bile that you have been vomiting since yesterday - just a thought!!

@ buzugee

I have no qualms with turning to foreigners for technological advancement - that is required no matter where you are in the world. What I am firmly against is giving an undeserved edge to foreigners simply because they are foreign and not because they are better able to get the job done.

Any advantage given to a foreigner because of technology should not be a permanent one, it should involve a gradual transfer to the indigenous population. We can't continue to rely on foreigners in droves indefinitely.

Besides, the loud mouthed Brits or Americans you mention do exist, but there remains a core of fiercely loyal and determined folk making those nations great - that is what we need, not people who just want their share of the 'national cake' as it were.

debosky:

@ buzugee

I have no qualms with turning to foreigners for technological advancement - that is required no matter where you are in the world. What I am firmly against is giving an undeserved edge to foreigners simply because they are foreign and not because they are better able to get the job done.

Any advantage given to a foreigner because of technology should not be a permanent one, it should involve a gradual transfer to the indigenous population. We can't continue to rely on foreigners in droves indefinitely.

Besides, the loud mouthed Brits or Americans you mention do exist, but there remains a core of fiercely loyal and determined folk making those nations great - that is what we need, not people who just want their share of the 'national cake' as it were.

I guess if every nation in the world adopts the bolded part of the statement you made, the 30 million of us nigerian 'foreigners' in diaspora are in hot soup 

buzugee:

I guess if every nation in the world adopts the bolded part of the statement you made, the 30 million of us nigerian 'foreigners' in diaspora are in hot soup 

I don't think so - unless you're implying that the Nigerians have brought in foreign technology from Nigeria into those foreign countries.

There are numerous examples I can point out - take Toyota for example. Despite their clearly Japanese origins, they can now point to significant domesticated manufacturing in the US that they can boldly tout themselves as 'Made in the USA' to a large extent.

I'm not saying kick foreigners out, but it should not be a case of foreigners dominating the whole economy to the detriment of those indigenous to that country.

debosky:

I don't think so - unless you're implying that the Nigerians have brought in foreign technology from Nigeria into those foreign countries.

There are numerous examples I can point out - take Toyota for example. Despite their clearly Japanese origins, they can now point to significant domesticated manufacturing in the US that they can boldly tout themselves as 'Made in the USA' to a large extent.

I'm not saying kick foreigners out, but it should not be a case of foreigners dominating the whole economy to the detriment of those indigenous to that country.

i think you need to step away from this possessive mindset. the world is a global village now. if you are the best for the job, you will get it, if not, you would not. stop complicating the whole thing with nationalism and possessiveness.  there is a reason why a nigerian trained SAP specialist or CISCO specialist can walk into america today and get a job over the millions of indigenes who have been in the country all their lives.

buzugee:

i think you need to step away from this possessive mindset. the world is a global village now. if you are the best for the job, you will get it, if not, you would not. stop complicating the whole thing with nationalism and possessiveness.  there is a reason why a nigerian trained SAP specialist or CISCO specialist can walk into america today and get a job over the millions of indigenes who have been in the country all their lives.

There is a difference between an individual competing for a job and companies owned by foreign nationals dominating the local economy to the detriment of the indigenous counterparts in that country, especially when government contracts are involved.

No self respecting nation will let itself to remain reliant on foreign labour and technology without developing its own resources.

This is where cap28 has a strong point than many of you fail to see - the overly individualistic outlook of Nigerians (i.e. get paid, who cares about the other Nigerians) will not transform our homeland. There needs to be a collective focus on development and not just on getting enough money for a few individuals to live a comfortable life.

I am all for individual outstanding skills - and Nigeria is not really lacking in that. We have just failed to transform that into any collective force for good.

debosky:

There is a difference between an individual competing for a job and companies owned by foreign nationals dominating the local economy to the detriment of the indigenous counterparts in that country, especially when government contracts are involved.

No self respecting nation will let itself to remain reliant on foreign labour and technology without developing its own resources.

This is where cap28 has a strong point than many of you fail to see - the overly individualistic outlook of Nigerians (i.e. get paid, who cares about the other Nigerians) will not transform our homeland. There needs to be a collective focus on development and not just on getting enough money for a few individuals to live a comfortable life.

I am all for individual outstanding skills - and Nigeria is not really lacking in that. We have just failed to transform that into any collective force for good.

you are exhibiting 'possessiveness' again. 'no self respecting nation will let itself be reliant on foreign labor and technology' ? this is what you said ? how do you think the USA continues to be the best country in the world ? they poach for foreign talent. in america today, most of the technical and high powered jobs are done by foreigners who are poached from other countries. go into any tech outfit in america, its filled with indians and chinese with a few sprinkled africans. thats how you get to be the best. the american workers are mostly in govt work and retail. nationalism stifles growth. if i remember correctly, when nigeria was a fiercely nationalistic country the place was an incompetent and unbearable place to live. when nepa strikes, all we had was lantern and candles. and the rich amongst us had those giant sized generators the size of houses. then we brought in all the chinese talent and now you have inverters, tiny generators, sophisticated lamps, and all kinds of stuff that we never had before that makes life easier. bruv ? you get to be the best by inviting the best from the world.

Buzugee, Debosky is not talking about individual foreign talent. He is referring to businesses that set up shop in Nigeria owned by foreign nationals and dominate the local economy.

Take China for example, you cannot go and set up a national company there without some control of the business from the Chinese government that makes sure the business favour's the local chinese population.

Debosky has a very valid point and if you dont agree, fair enough.

silentc:

Buzugee, Debosky is not talking about individual foreign talent. He is referring to businesses that set up shop in Nigeria owned by foreign nationals and dominate the local economy.

Take China for example, you cannot go and set up a national company there without some control of the business from the Chinese government that makes sure the business favour's the local chinese population.

Debosky has a very valid point and if you dont agree, fair enough.

you are seriously comparing nigeria to china ? bruv ? china can afford to be insular. the place is a hotbed of technological geniuses. can you ?

I compare them because they both have something valuable as a country. As you said, China is a hotbed of technological geniuses. Nigeria is a growing economy that is very very profitable for businesses.

silentc:

I compare them because they both have something valuable as a country. As you said, China is a hotbed of technological geniuses. Nigeria is a growing economy that is very very profitable for businesses.

nigeria needs foreign companys to reach its full potential. china does not. china has all the manpower and technological know-how it needs. so based on what you said earlier when trying to defend debosky, that makes your point mute. nigeria needs foreign companys. heck we dont even know how to extract and refine petroleum products from the ground. so it is inevitable that foreign companys will take over and dominate our country. there is no getting around that unless you want to be plunged into the dark ages if nigeria tries to go insular.

So what is your own view of how China got to where it is now based on your last post?

silentc:

So what is your own view of how China got to where it is now based on your last post?

prioritizing. allocate money to research. develop technological schools, invest in our kids minds. EDUCATION (The right kind). not MBA and all dat ol crap. get kids as young as 10 to design oil rigs and get them to build models of it when they are young. that kinda education.

While i agree with your last post above, I still believe that we need to promote Nigerian businesses and make sure foreign companies do not dominate the market.

There needs to be a balance between protectionism (in certain industries) and free trade (in others) in my opinion.

silentc:

While i agree with your last post above, I still believe that we need to promote Nigerian businesses and make sure foreign companies do not dominate the market.

There needs to be a balance between protectionism (in certain industries) and free trade (in others) in my opinion.

believe it or not, the govt does not regulate who opens up businesses in nigeria same as the govt does not have planning permission for whoever builds what anywhere. whoever steps up to the plate can open any kinda business in nigeria. it just so happens that foreigners are who are stepping up to the plate. so the govt is not cock-blocking nigerian businesses. nigerian businesses just aint stepping up. believe it or not i know someone who went to the govt for license to issue cable tv in nigeria. they issued it right there for $60,000. dude is a nigerian. my point being, whoever steps up to the plate gets to hit the ball.

@ Poster,

The Indians and Lebanese are already taking over your country, you are asking whether to return.

They virtually own most of the large shopping malls in Lagos.

debosky:

There is a difference between an individual competing for a job and companies owned by foreign nationals dominating the local economy to the detriment of the indigenous counterparts in that country, especially when government contracts are involved.

No self respecting nation will let itself to remain reliant on foreign labour and technology without developing its own resources.

This is where cap28 has a strong point than many of you fail to see - the overly individualistic outlook of Nigerians (i.e. get paid, who cares about the other Nigerians) will not transform our homeland. There needs to be a collective focus on development and not just on getting enough money for a few individuals to live a comfortable life.

I am all for individual outstanding skills - and Nigeria is not really lacking in that. We have just failed to transform that into any collective force for good.

Very valid points.
No one is saying no to foreign labour/investment.
What we are looking for is a relationship that puts us in a better position, a win- win situation and not the sort of ones that leaves us in constant poverty.

The op is just winding us up.

buzugee:

prioritizing. allocate money to research. develop technological schools, invest in our kids minds. EDUCATION (The right kind). not MBA and all dat ol crap. get kids as young as 10 to design oil rigs and get them to build models of it when they are young. that kinda education.

Why are you arguing with them? Let them continue to lament. We are incaple of managing ourselves. And our resources.
Develop brains? In Nigeria? A country that denies its best brains uni admission because 'they don't know people'? A country where everybody loots with reckless abadon.
Refine crude oil? Do we know how to make nails not to talk of exploration of oil. Yet, we are all engineer this, engineer that.
Yeye

I say tip of the iceberg.

They say "Arabs are cheating us, Indians too. The US is enslaving us. What about the Brits and the French. Ahh . . . . ahh, the Chinese are pillaging us. They are not here for altruistic reasons".

Always full of conspiracy theories. The fact that we are incapable of managing ourselves is noticeable.


Let's change our mentality and value system. Even if this approach negates our culture. And, tell your dads and uncles to STOP looting the country.

buzugee:

believe it or not, the govt does not regulate who opens up businesses in nigeria same as the govt does not have planning permission for whoever builds what anywhere. whoever steps up to the plate can open any kinda business in nigeria. it just so happens that foreigners are who are stepping up to the plate. so the govt is not cock-blocking nigerian businesses. nigerian businesses just aint stepping up. believe it or not i know someone who went to the govt for license to issue cable tv in nigeria. they issued it right there for $60,000. dude is a nigerian. my point being, whoever steps up to the plate gets to hit the ball.

@ buzugee, you are very correct. Nigerians are'nt even trying to give the indians a fight. All we know is to sit around and complain, setting up boring businesses that will only make the customers yawn. All we know is to ask for govt patronage for every small discovery we make. A Nigerian once developed a prototype of a car, all he did was to harass the govts through the media to give him a grant to start producing. It dint occur to him he could source for capital from fellow investors and other business men who has something to gain from the venture. Needless to say the idea died with the man.
We are too unfocused o think of serious business, the indians will continue to rule our business fields. Our diasporans are dreaming if they think they should walk into jobs here because their surnames are Nigerian.
Look at our exchange, only foreign companies are stable, other Nigerian companies listed there are too unseriousfor any comparison.

hello mr relocation, before i talk about your salary demand, i have a question for you.
do you have the necessary qualifications. first, your profession matters and secondly what is your highest degree as at now.

emma bowin:

hello mr relocation, before i talk about your salary demand, i have a question for you.
do you have the necessary qualifications. first, your profession matters and secondly what is your highest degree as at now.

First of all I have a Postgraduate degree in computing and a first degree with honours.

However all this degree stuff means absolutely nothing, what matters is experience and professional qualifications.

So many Nigerians have degrees, PHDs etc and yet the country is in a dilapidated state.

In the UK how many people have degrees ? And yet they are one million times more advanced technologically than the so called most educated country in Africa.

With all your degrees, tell me one tangible achievement your Nigeria has to show for it.

buzugee:

nigeria needs foreign companys to reach its full potential. china does not. china has all the manpower and technological know-how it needs. so based on what you said earlier when trying to defend debosky, that makes your point mute. nigeria needs foreign companys. heck we dont even know how to extract and refine petroleum products from the ground. so it is inevitable that foreign companys will take over and dominate our country. there is no getting around that unless you want to be plunged into the dark ages if nigeria tries to go insular.

100% correct but there is no need to join issues with the likes of Debosky and Frosbel who are quite incapable of seeing issues beyond their warped racist or sectarian prism.
In the grand scheme of things Nigeria has no choice really but to welcome investment by the Chinese the Lebanese and the Indians.

silentc:

Buzugee, Debosky is not talking about individual foreign talent. He is referring to businesses that set up shop in Nigeria owned by foreign nationals and dominate the local economy.

Take China for example, you cannot go and set up a national company there without some control of the business from the Chinese government that makes sure the business favour's the local chinese population.

Debosky has a very valid point and if you dont agree, fair enough.

Well what is the point of being in business? Is it not to grow and secure dominant market share.
So no you've not made any point at all  if you somehow imagine a return to the destructive protectionism of the 1970's would be beneficial to the Nigerian economy

emma bowin:

hello mr relocation, before i talk about your salary demand, i have a question for you.
do you have the necessary qualifications. first, your profession matters and secondly what is your highest degree as at now.

Maybe the guy is just trying to shake people up on this forum. In actual fact at that kind of management level and salary nobody really cares about your paper qualifications or educational background. It is mostly about your business experience and what added value in terms of revenue that you can bring to the company that would pay you such a high salary.
However such a person in Nigeria would already be thinking of going into consultancy rather than just looking for a salaried job.

notcorrupt:

First of all I have a Postgraduate degree in computing and a first degree with honours.
However all this degree stuff means absolutely nothing, what matters is experience and professional qualifications.
So many Nigerians have degrees, PHDs etc and yet the country is in a dilapidated state.
In the UK how many people have degrees ? And yet they are one million times more advanced technologically than the so called most educated country in Africa.
With all your degrees, tell me one tangible achievement your Nigeria has to show for it.

True that but you started this topic as if to say the mere possesion of a masters() is enough for you to get a 2 million naira job in Nigeria.
Yes there are people that earn multiple times that in Nigeria BUT they are not entry level personnel or maybe they are investors and entrepreneurs as opposed to mere salaried employees