Usorohtheman:
oduduwa's story is a myth but Jesus' story is not.

Getsmart2:
Where did he mention Jesus ? What does the oduduwa myth have to do with Jesus ? People like you amaze me with how you reason.

gregyboy:
Am not going to be using date to explain this
I just want to give the summary of the game of politics we all fell for......



Back in the 60s when our traditionalist were been elevated especially in the western region it breeded conflict among the traditional rulers in the then western region
They all made up a story of the non existed Oduduwa, some yorubas believed he had existed, some say it was just a myth created by the yoruba people, but each mornachs in the western region had thier own stories of Oduduwa that fit thier narrative. It was mostly centred around the three popular kings in the western region the alafin of oyo, the ooni of ife and the oba of benin
The ooni of ife and the oba of benin had the major support, the ooni is believed to be the true son of Oduduwa by the yoruba people, the oba of benin on the otherhand, use to have sovereignty over a large part of yorubas who the monarchs still regard him as thier superior king, the alafin oyo didnt really gain much support than these two, on both tales told by the oba of benin and the ooni of ife alafin remained third, from the oba of benin angle on the tales(myth) of Oduduwa he remained first same for the ooni vise-versa
The alafin had is own support for the oba of benin, egharevba the first benin historian had wrote his story to fit the oba narrative but he was intercepted by the only printing press in ibadan, (ibadan printing press)
Knowing egharevba motives he was asked to go back to rewrite his story to feature ife as the head which he complied to inother to move in his acedemical studies, the oba plan later didn't succeed he wasn't having enough political power to back him his plans, awolowo had taken side with the ooni , although he was in the western region the oba benin was not recognized as a yoruba man this allowed tribalism play-in against the oba of benin. The olu of itsekiri was later elevated as the olu of warri because of the yoruba ancestory which prompted riot in the then
Western region, the oba failed plot was associated with the edos been marginalized by the yoruba people, the yoruba knowing the oba of benin was alien to ancestory of Oduduwa proomted the constant marginalization, Oduduwa ancestory was unique to the yorubas alone the oba of benin happened to join in for his political gain, if he had succeeded he would have been the topmost ruler of the western region


Both the oba of benin and the ooni of ife conspiracy traces Oduduwa to earlier as the 10c i.e 900yrs ago from the benin dating.....
But if Oduduwa was really the progenitor of the yoruba people he should have existed beyond thousands of years ago to give the population of the entire yoruba people

Usorohtheman:


coming from a Christian

Usorohtheman:
oduduwa's story is a myth but Jesus' story is not.

Edeyoung:


Young man are you feeling insecure about your religion

Usorohtheman:


It's more than that.

Edeyoung:


Tell me.....

Usorohtheman:


It's just making me to think widely.

Edeyoung:


Lol,


You go soon loose faith for your religion my hand nor dey ooh,

I believe in every story there is a truth underneath

Edeyoung:


Lol,


You go soon loose faith for your religion my hand nor dey ooh,

I believe in every story there is a truth underneath

gregyboy:
Am not going to be using date to explain this
I just want to give the summary of the game of politics we all fell for......



Back in the 60s when our traditionalist were been elevated especially in the western region it breeded conflict among the traditional rulers in the then western region
They all made up a story of the non existed Oduduwa, some yorubas believed he had existed, some say it was just a myth created by the yoruba people, but each mornachs in the western region had thier own stories of Oduduwa that fit thier narrative. It was mostly centred around the three popular kings in the western region the alafin of oyo, the ooni of ife and the oba of benin
The ooni of ife and the oba of benin had the major support, the ooni is believed to be the true son of Oduduwa by the yoruba people, the oba of benin on the otherhand, use to have sovereignty over a large part of yorubas who the monarchs still regard him as thier superior king, the alafin oyo didnt really gain much support than these two, on both tales told by the oba of benin and the ooni of ife alafin remained third, from the oba of benin angle on the tales(myth) of Oduduwa he remained first same for the ooni vise-versa
The alafin had is own support for the oba of benin, egharevba the first benin historian had wrote his story to fit the oba narrative but he was intercepted by the only printing press in ibadan, (ibadan printing press)
Knowing egharevba motives he was asked to go back to rewrite his story to feature ife as the head which he complied to inother to move in his acedemical studies, the oba plan later didn't succeed he wasn't having enough political power to back him his plans, awolowo had taken side with the ooni , although he was in the western region the oba benin was not recognized as a yoruba man this allowed tribalism play-in against the oba of benin. The olu of itsekiri was later elevated as the olu of warri because of the yoruba ancestory which prompted riot in the then
Western region, the oba failed plot was associated with the edos been marginalized by the yoruba people, the yoruba knowing the oba of benin was alien to ancestory of Oduduwa proomted the constant marginalization, Oduduwa ancestory was unique to the yorubas alone the oba of benin happened to join in for his political gain, if he had succeeded he would have been the topmost ruler of the western region


Both the oba of benin and the ooni of ife conspiracy traces Oduduwa to earlier as the 10c i.e 900yrs ago from the benin dating.....
But if Oduduwa was really the progenitor of the yoruba people he should have existed beyond thousands of years ago to give the population of the entire yoruba people

MetaPhysical:
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Ancient thrones of dynastic roots are mythical. The reason is beacuse they all originated from a Priestly beginning and were thus shrouded in mythical lores.

The currrent European monarchies all took root out of German, which was the bridge between modernity and ancient Romans and Greeks.

If you go to Asia, their monarchies all have mythical beginnings.

If you go to South America, all their monarchies were outcrops of mythical beginnings.

Even Judaism had mythical beginnings in the story of baby Moses.

Jesus had mythical beginnings in the birth.

Muhammed had mythical beginnings in the transformation of his city and kinship.


There is no original monarchy in ancient history that was not birthed out of myths.

If Benin did not have a mythical beginning it will be because it was birthed out of Ife.....and was not an organic Priesthood.

gregyboy:



Lol.... If only there was a connection

Put your evidence were your mouth lie


We can never have anything to do with the yorubas may god punish awolowo

MetaPhysical:


I said Benin is not an organic priesthood you said I should put forth evidence. On what Priestdom is your monarch authorised (Ase) to wear a crown?

Speak ...

babtoundey:
Once a clown...
Haven't we had enough comedies from you that you are bent on adding another one to the ones on ground.

Ogene came from Zimbabwe, Birnin-Kebbi, Ife, Igala, Nupe, Australia, Japan, Yugoslavia (Just one Oghene o)
Benin got her name from Ishekiri
The title of Benin Paramount ruler has always been "Oba"
There was never Oranmiyan or Ekelardahan
There was Ekalardahan, he came from...
Eweka was brought into Benin from Ughotan
The newest joke- Oduduwa never lived; Oduduwa existence is a conspiracy ploy of Yoruba and Benin Obas to deceive the illustrious sons of Edo.
All the above jokes are facts because thier originator's intuition tells him they are

But how can someone that is ignorant of his own identity, that is confused and indecisive about his own history; that doesn't know how his ancestors came by the name "Benin", that is ignorant of how his people payed homage and prayed to foreign gods like ogun, olokun, ayelala, that doesn't know how his ancestors ignored ogiso dynasty for oba system, that is clueless on how Benin, his Homeland, got the name Benin, that can't provide a convincing and accurate meaning of "Benin" and "oba" in his native language understand, define or shape other people's history and identity?

As usual and expected someone demands how? He demands evidence? Evidence that Oduduwa exist? That we have many people both within and outside Southwest Nigeria that align themselves with Oduduwa and consider themselves as children of Oduduwa is not enough evidence of his existence? That Gregboy, who is neither Yoruba nor their fan of heard of Oduduwa and thinks of denying the existence of Oduduwa existence is not enough evidence that Oduduwa exist; whether in reality, perception or belief?

I guess (to him) his writeup that is vaguely filled with "I think" "I believe" "I observe" and bereft of any sound and logical evidence is good enough to convince the world, including individuals who, all their lives, have studied observed and believe the existence and trtraces of Oduduwa.

Once again, Gregboy, how do you expect us to take you serious? Stop presenting your postulations and baseless claims you scheme in your head as the catholic truth. No sane mind will take you serious.

gregyboy:


You type out of necessity and hatred


You never one day doubted the history your people told you instead you swallowed it because it feels your narrative to support your ego

Am simply separating the truth from the myth

The yorubas know we were never related thats why they kept marginalizing we binis in the western region

gregyboy:


You type out of necessity and hatred


You never one day doubted the history your people told you instead you swallowed it because it feels your narrative to support your ego

Am simply separating the truth from the myth

The yorubas know we were never related thats why they kept marginalizing we binis in the western region

babtoundey:


You just spit out the cause of your man-made Yoruba/Benin history- the suposed marginalisation of your people in the old Western region. Why don't you let it go? You weren't even born then. You are in a new Nigeria, you now have Edo state ruled by the Edos for the Edos. Channel the strength you are using to bastaedise history towards making life better for your kinsmen. This path you are threading will only earn you the title of a bittered and confused Nairaland historian who called his ancestors liars, backstabbers, inconsiderate and greedy lots (judging by this your "our obas conspired with the Yorubas to sell us cheap to and curry favor from the Yorubas)


You never one day doubted the history your people told you instead you swallowed it because it feels your narrative to support your ego

You that doubted the history your people told you what alternative have your provided? Is "my father said his father said..." a the alternative you want to replace the actual history with?

BabaRamota1980:



He is lying about marginalization in Western region.

There used to be a meeting of Council of Obas in Western Region, which included everything from Ife to Asaba and downward. Western Ibos, Ijaws, Ogoni and many other non-Yoruba allied groups resented that the meeting was observed in line with Yoruba culture and Yoruba deities were invoked exclusively. Which makes sense.
So those ethnic groups were excused. Benin, Itsekiri continued to participate. At the head of the meeting were usually Ooni, Alaafin, Omo n'Oba, Alake, Awujale, Deji. Other kings in the Council were in attendance as floor members. Omo n'Oba had always enjoyed privilege as the paramount king over that part of Western Region which later became MidWest. That is, Benin to Anioma.

After their successful semi-independence from underneath Western cultural influence, the Aniomas (Western Ibo) began an agitation to also separate from Western political influence. They plotted to do so by challenging Omo n'Oba's authority over them. Their take was Benin was acting as a proxy to force Yoruba culture down their throat. Azikiwe lend support and began a campaign of Onitsha and Anioma coming out of Benin. Okpara put pressure on the Aniomans and they in turn put pressure on Benin to searate itself from West. There was an economic advantage in their goal also. This scheme was positioned as an ethnic economic disadvantage. In other words, West was accused of dominating the economic fortunes of non-Yoruba groups in the region. When the pressure mounted, Awolowo had agreed that a minority region be created each from West, East and North as a response to cries of minorities against domination from their majority controlled regions.

Midwest would carve out of West
COR would carve outof East
Middlebelt woyld carve out of North.

Aniomans submitted a call for referendum. Bini agreed. Azikiwe used government power to force it to parliament.

The referendum was passed overwhelmingly with high support from Anioma. It was not unanimous. Opposition to it came from Benin and Warri provinces. Thus began Midwest.

Zik and Bello reneged and never allowed COR and Middlebelt to go to referendum. So only Midwest was created.

That ended the political alignment of Omo n'Oba with his brothers in West. It did not end the cultural tie. The cultural tie was challenged by Omo n'Oba Erediauwa, father of present king. They have been taught following in the footsteps of Aniomans that if they can challenge and win a political grievance, with pressure they can also win a cultural grievance and separate ties of origin to West. So everything you have so far witnessed on internet with Benin questioning their origin in Ife was taught them by Ibos. Prior to 1963 no monarchy or cultural institution in Benin ever denied its origin in Ife.

Soon after Midwest was created Aniomans hijacked the region from Bini and sought to become the mainstream political elite. They succeeded partially. The full success was activated during Biafran war. Biafra sacked the non-Ibo governor of Midwest, replaced him with an Anioman, rigged its flag and renamed the region. They went on propaganda radio and broadcasted that Ibo language will replace Edo language and the citizens of the new republic must start out learning Ibo.

If Biafra had not been dislodged, thanks to Yorubas, gregyboy will today be speaking in kedu odinma and his name will be chinonso.

So all these Edo witches here in Nairaland are following in footsteps of their master, the Aniomans. They are trying to do with culture what they did with politics. Unfortunately for them there is no room for referendum in culture to sever them from their Ife origin. This greatly upsets them. They come online and put their frustration on display, as we have witnessed with this fly-by-night broom rider called gregyboy, MelesZenawi

Dont buy into his story of marginalization under Western region. He is echoing the sounds his Anioma master taught them in the 60s and their Omo n'Oba naively accepted.

gregyboy:
Untill yorubas bring an archeological evidence or a written document of European account showing benin and ife had an ecounter at one point, but until i reserve my comments


I will wait them till they rant with tears


If Europeans could record all yorubas we encountered then ife shouldnt be the one to miss out particularly when our oba heads were buried in ife........

MelesZenawi you are igbo you should be a goid mediators for this topic you can helo me appeal to our yoruba brothers for proves of all this

TAO11: