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dasarge:

@ omotodun! God bless you for your comment on this issue. Nigerians are naturally proud people in Nature who love to show off! The very reason why most people like to donate in Church so people will respect them even though they dont have a clean heart! I cannot remember Jesus saying anything about giving your tithes, neither did i see in the bible that people got cursed for not giving first fruit, tithes nor offerings. The last time i went to Christ embass was when my pastor in London practically cursed those of us that dont give our "first fruit" imagine a whole January salary; in london! after all the expenses of december, he said the whole january salary was for the pastor or what befell ananias will nefall us! Well, i stopped from that day and that never stopped me from rising to become a manager in my postition, because I give to the poor, i help people who cannot afford food and basic needs, i refuse to finance any pastor wanting to buy private jet to take God's message to Canada, UK, USA, Germany, France etc, when there are countries like Mali, Niger republic etc without the Gospel. In my village, there are only two churches; one is catholic and the other is Jehovah's witnesses and these are people who dont curse you for not giving your money, time and personal belongings as seed!

If i should continue here tonight, I could write a whole book on the crime taking place in our country. How can God answer our prayers with all these thieveing going on in places of worship?

One more thing, as an accountant, i know that churches are classified as Charity, but once a church(aka a charity) involves itself in any going concern like owning a school(Redeemed et al), a Bank(Christ embassy) or property and stock business(KICC) that charity becomes taxable! Nobody talks about this, and Jesus said "Give unto ceasar, what is ceasar's(Tax) and unto God what is God's(Offerings).

How can Nigeria grown when armed robbers are the people sitting in the front rows of churches because they give the largest offerings and tithes? how how how?

Thank u for your thruthful and wise comments. Enough of this thievery in the name of God. Religion has been the instrument of oppression, pillage and control; the europeans and the Arabs used it to steal all our wealth and created all the problems we have today.

All these pastors na crazy dey worry them.

Please, my people help the poor around you, it is very important.
I always give to the poor, and local churches in the villages. I refused to
use my money to buy private Jets for pastors in all these mega-churches.

Christ told his people to sell their things and give it the poor and he never told them to  
give it to churches.

Blessings from a poor person will go a long way than that of a pastor

Decide for yourself what you are going to be giving God for all His goodness to you regularly. Either weekly, monthly or bimonthly but make sure you give. Forget the priests and pastors, it's going to be between you and God. stick to your decision.

It's cos all des confussion and missinterpretations dat Catholics originally did not want to release de Bible to all and sundry. Eh, look wat King James has done to mankind in his folly to aquire anoda wife/marriage.

When I first started attending pentecostal churches I used to be moved by those sermons/cajoling to give more but I have grown a tough skin and no lengthy sermons filled with blessings and curses can move me to give more than I have planned to give.  Sometimes we hear some pastors tell us to empty our pockets for God and I wonder how those will board commercial vehicles home will be able to pay their transport fare.
I suggest like some have rightly said that one should pray and agree with God, self and pocket on how much to give as offering and stick to it despite the pastors lovely sermons.  I have since learnt how to stay put on my seat even when other members on my row go our to give offering.

when you give to the poor, you lend to God.

hbabe:

When I first started attending pentecostal churches I used to be moved by those sermons/cajoling to give more but I have grown a tough skin and no lengthy sermons filled with blessings and curses can move me to give more than I have planned to give.  Sometimes we hear some pastors tell us to empty our pockets for God and I wonder how those will board commercial vehicles home will be able to pay their transport fare.
I suggest like some have rightly said that one should pray and agree with God, self and pocket on how much to give as offering and stick to it despite the pastors lovely sermons.  I have since learnt how to stay put on my seat even when other members on my row go our to give offering.  

No pastor can curse anyone who did not give or who did not give enough.God himself has already curse the fellow.If your pastor is reading this part of the bible why blaming him,go directly and blame GOD who is author of the bible.Read this part of the bible MALAKAI where God himself pronounce the curse.How can we even give to God or his servant.

choice is yours, what i know is that givers never lack not to talk of giving to the Almighty God.
For me o, i will continue to pay my tithes and offerings regardless any complaint or encouragement by any pastor.

Dats why I no longer go to church. Imagine!

idiagbon:

Dats why I no longer go to church. Imagine!

GBAM!

if i want to hear the word of God I will turn to the KICC channel on my sky!
even better go to the nearest catholic church for mass! nothing beats it!
I only go to church when i want to socialise nowadays!

@poster,
What curse exactly did your pastor place ? What did he say ?

queensmith:
Dats why I no longer go to church. Imagine!

This is exactly what Satan wants to achieve with threads like this. As a Christian try make postings that will lead to salvation and not destruction of potential seekers of God.

Giving to God is very important. Its part of worship. Jesus received, likewise Paul. You cant be worshiping God empty handed . But No body is forced into giving in church. Giving to God is out of love for God. You are connected to Gods blessing through giving. And if you refuse to give , it is you that lose the benefit and grace that is connected to giving.

^^^^^^^^^^^^
What a load of of crap

^^ agreed!

2 corinth 9:7. . . Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give,not reluctantly or under compulsion,FOR GOD LOVES A CHEERFUL GIVER.
Then when you read verse 8,u go see your reward, . .D problem i see hear is dat
.1. Many posts here are from people who dont read their bibles
2. Broke people who cant give to God.i bet all of the people writing thrash here have never given more than a 100naira offering.(even if its given,na wit pain)
3.if you dont want to give, shut up and dont give,leave those dat want to give.
4.if your pastor said give,its for your own good,not his.so if you have N500 and as usual,you all have made your small minds as 2corinth 9:7 says,to give N20,give it like dat,but however d case,God knows your heart.
5.dont insult nor judge men of God(both the called ones or not),whether they are good or bad,you would only bring trouble to your self.shut up and leave them to God.
6.because a man is a pastor,he should wear pant and singlet and eat rubbish and ride a bike,before you guys would be satisfied?even at dat,una go still talk, come to think of it,how much have you given to think you are helping d pastor to feed?
. . . Please please,if you insult any man of God,its like you insult God's personality. . . No wonder you dont make progress. Leave God to do his judge work.dont do it 4 him.

Joagbaje:

@poster,
What curse exactly did your pastor place ? What did he say ?  

This is exactly what Satan wants to achieve with threads like this. As a Christian try make postings that will lead to salvation and not destruction of potential seekers of God.

Giving to God is very important. Its part of worship. Jesus received, likewise Paul. You cant be worshiping God empty handed . But No body is forced into giving in church. Giving to God is out of love for God. You are connected to Gods blessing through giving. And if you refuse to give , it is you that lose the benefit and grace that is connected to giving.

Pastor JoAgbaje,


Why don't you just say Pastors who are actually serving the little master are leading folks away from Salvation and ought to be held accountable. If these Pastors were real, how come Nigeria is still the way it is? With the "unification of business leaders, politicians, pastors and other kinds of OLES, little wonder God doesn't hear their prayers!

Salvation is a personal experience and journey as the Holy Bible clearly told Christians that each one of us would have to " work his/her own Salvation with fear and trembling"

Leave men alone and worship God only.

Gombs:

2 corinth 9:7. . . Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give,not reluctantly or under compulsion,FOR GOD LOVES A CHEERFUL GIVER.
Then when you read verse 8,u go see your reward, . .D problem i see hear is dat
.1. Many posts here are from people who dont read their bibles
2. Broke people who cant give to God.i bet all of the people writing thrash here have never given more than a 100naira offering.(even if its given,na wit pain)
3.if you dont want to give, shut up and dont give,leave those dat want to give.
4.if your pastor said give,its for your own good,not his.so if you have N500 and as usual,you all have made your small minds as 2corinth 9:7 says,to give N20,give it like dat,but however d case,God knows your heart.
5.dont insult nor judge men of God(both the called ones or not),whether they are good or bad,you would only bring trouble to your self.shut up and leave them to God.
6.because a man is a pastor,he should wear pant and singlet and eat rubbish and ride a bike,before you guys would be satisfied?even at dat,una go still talk, come to think of it,how much have you given to think you are helping d pastor to feed?
. . . Please please,if you insult any man of God,its like you insult God's personality. . . No wonder you dont make progress. Leave God to do his judge work.dont do it 4 him.

Double digiter Combs, Maybe you should study your Bible instead of "reading" it and you will get a more profound understanding so you don't get pimped by these business men in suits.

Shalom.

Gombs:

2 corinth 9:7. . . Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give,not reluctantly or under compulsion,FOR GOD LOVES A CHEERFUL GIVER.
Then when you read verse 8,u go see your reward,  . .D problem i see hear is dat
.1. Many posts here are from people who dont read their bibles
2. Broke people who cant give to God.i bet all of the people writing thrash here have never given more than a 100naira offering.(even if its given,na wit pain)
3.if you dont want to give, shut up and dont give,leave those dat want to give.
4.if your pastor said give,its for your own good,not his.so if you have N500 and as usual,you all have made your small minds as 2corinth 9:7 says,to give N20,give it like dat,but however d case,God knows your heart.
5.dont insult nor judge men of God(both the called ones or not),whether they are good or bad,you would only bring trouble to your self.shut up and leave them to God.
6.because a man is a pastor,he should wear pant and singlet  and eat rubbish and ride a bike,before you guys would be satisfied?even at dat,una go still talk, come to think of it,how much have you given to think you are helping d pastor to feed?
. . . Please please,if you insult any man of God,its like you insult God's personality. . . No wonder you dont make progress.  Leave God to do his judge work.dont do it 4 him.

Utter nonsense. What impudence. This sort of desperate garbage can only be uttered by an individual whose source of daily bread has been severely threatened. As such, one is forced to come to the conclusion that you are either a hungry pastor, a hungry aspiring pastor, a hungry offspring of a hungry pastor, or a hungry beneficiary of a pastor's filthy lucre.

>>>>>> In the unlikely event that you aren't in any of these categories, then that means you've been fatally brain-washed beyond redemption. In either case you can only be pitied.

Kenny888, your opinion about giving is seriously flawed, i.e. judging from a biblical point of view. You can only serve God in truth and faith. Gos is not looking for your money. If you decide not to give, God will raise up stones. Either or not you give, the body of Christ will still grow. Remember, if you do this to the least of my brothers, you do it to me. If you give to the house of God, you give to God, and God blesses you in return.

On the flip side, you also have not quoted what your preacher/pastor said. Whatsoever he may/may not have said, the amount you give is not important, its the cheerfulness in your giving.

If you give your last penny and expect in faith, you will definitely get the reward back.

god told Abraham to sacrifice his only son he waited over a hundred years old to get. You know the story, and of course you saw the results.

Please, learn to follow the word of God accordingly.

^^^ Nonsense!

Giving with the expectation os a reward is unscriptural, you should give because it is the right thing to do not because of what you will get out of it. You might as well put your money in the stock market if the reason for your giving anywhere is motivated by "many fold" return as is erroneously preached in most of these so called Churches.

ogajim:

Double digiter Combs, Maybe you should study your Bible instead of "reading" it and you will get a more profound understanding so you don't get pimped by these business men in suits.

Shalom.

pro01:

Utter nonsense. What impudence. This sort of desperate garbage can only be uttered by an individual whose source of daily bread has been severely threatened. As such, one is forced to come to the conclusion that you are either a hungry pastor, a hungry aspiring pastor, a hungry offspring of a hungry pastor, or a hungry beneficiary of a pastor's filthy lucre.

>>>>>> In the unlikely event that you aren't in any of these categories, then that means you've been fatally brain-washed beyond redemption. In either case you can only be pitied.

Those that are giving are not complaining,except those that think they are giving, leave those that want to give,dont give anymore. . , When you study your bible,it says "give and it shall be given unto you. . . ". . . It didnt say "critisize and complain,and it shall be given unto you". . .Bottom line,without you,people would still give,because they love God and reference their pastor. . .

Giving should be joyful and not forceful. God loves a cheerful giver. He looks at the quality of your giving and not the quantity.
Giving is a personal thing with God.The Bible urges us to give because it is really for our own good.
Giving shows that we recognise the authority of God in our lives
Giving is an act of gratitude to God

The Bible says that the person that sows sparingly will reap sparingly and the one that sows bountifully will reap bountfully.

No true pastor will force anyone to give. A pastor can encourage one to give for the individual's good. Every true pastor will not rely on the offerings from man for his sustenance 'cos He knows that he who keeps Israel neither sleeps nor slumbers. David, said in all his life, he has never seen the righteous forsaken or his seed begging for bread.

If anyone cannot acknowledge God with the things God has given him/her, then surely God too will not acknowledge that person. God cannot be blessing someone who cannot come back and say thank you Lord with his gifts.
Lets remember that our little offerings can never buy God as such, cos the Bible says that all the cattle on a thousand hills are His. God doesnt need your money.

churches should thread careful

I like to ask this questions that has always bothered me,
1) People that pay tithe , are they d most succesfull people on earth
2) Have any of the followers really taken time to read about the true meaning of tithing and how it is practised, e. the bible reffered to the 3rd year of tithing were the proceeds are brought out and openly shared among strangers widows and poor.
3) Are we living under the law or grace, why do our posters only bring out tithing out of many other laws in the old testament )please correct me if i am wrong, i thought the bible says he who is guilty of one is guilty of all

jpworld men i feel you, you were spot on categorizing the Jewish people, that is a food for thought for me

@ogajim

ogajim:

Why don't you just say Pastors who are actually serving the little master are leading folks away from Salvation and ought to be held accountable.[color]

That's left for God to judge dude. 

If these Pastors were real, how come Nigeria is still the way it is?

What a childish question? You should have rather  said "If God is really a God how come the world is like this?"

It takes blindness not to see the great works ministers are doing.

[ With the "unification of business leaders, politicians, pastors and other kinds of OLES, little wonder God doesn't hear their prayers!

It's their prayers and that of every saint that is keeping the world till now. Prayers of the church is restraining evil. And once the church is ruptured , evil will be unleashed on the earth. Read your bible.

Salvation is a personal experience and journey as the Holy Bible clearly told Christians that each one of us would have to " work his/her own Salvation with fear and trembling"

And what are you doing about  personal salvation ? You ought to be more concerned about that. Are you born again now?
Because if you are there is a love and reverence you ought to have for all saints and Gods minister.  You need the personal salvation experience .

Joagbaje:

And what are you doing about  personal salvation ? You ought to be more concerned about that. Are you born again now?
Because if you are there is a love and reverence you ought to have for all saints and Gods minister.  You need the personal salvation experience .

You keep confirming to us that you are not a follower of christ but that of men who present their words as if it was the word of God. Jesus clearly told us not to have any undue reverence for so called God's ministers becos we are all equal before God.

[AMP]
Matthew 23:6-10:
6And they take pleasure in and [thus] love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues,
    7And to be greeted with honor in the marketplaces and to have people call them rabbi.

    8But you are not to be called rabbi (teacher), for you have one Teacher and you are all brothers.

    9And do not call anyone [in the church] on earth father, for you have one Father, Who is in heaven.

    10And you must not be called masters (leaders), for you have one Master (Leader), the Christ.


Jesus also warned of people of your ilk and Oyaks who preach their hallucinations as if it were the word of God.

Matthew 15:8-9:

    8 ‘These people honor me with their lips,
      but their hearts are far from me.
    9 Their worship is a farce,
      for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.’

@poster
the last service i had yesterday the pastor said anyone that refuses to pay his tithe,things will be tight with him and if you dont give offering,you shall never progresses. i stoped and looked at that pastor,i was so anoyed that i refused to give anything.after much enquiry,i discovered that this pastor is a charterd accountant that left his job to become a full time pastor.if that job was rossy would he have left that for a brain washing job?

New testament believers are not bound by the law of tithing,just as they are not bound by the law of circumcision. But today we have too many Christians who are trying to live by the Mosaic laws, and they would never be able to meet up because once you break one of the laws it doesn't matter how many you got right you have broken all.

If you meet a believer in Christ he/she would definitely give, not because of what he can get from God but out of love. He/she would give not just on Sunday mornings or church meetings but all the time. He/She lives by Jesus' admonition " Love your neighbour as yourself" May be those who have been deceived or being deceived as the case may be should look at how Jesus described the judgement and what matters to Him in Matthew 25: 31 - 46 and Matthew 7: 21 - 23. this was a good submissiom

Hmm! Pastors! Ok, a scenario. I am not a christian and I ALWAYS give to the needy, less privileged and charity. Does it mean God would withold his blessings from me cuz I am not a christian? Does it mean I am doomed? In the case of Gani fawehinmi of blessed memory. He was known to have greatly helped the poor, are we saying because he didn't contribute or pay tithe to pastor he's now in hell burning? Wole soyinka is known world over and infact, he's one of the greatest man alive, does it mean because he's not a christian and doesn't pay his tithe to pastors, can now be said that he is doomed?

We as christians should not be gullible. We should apply our quality of education and exposure to our religion. We don't have to be daft and our pastors CANNOT replace GOD. Pastors are not god talkless of being ur God.

If u must give in church, give according to ur heart. Don't be enslaved and hypnotised by your pastork's gimmick.

Shine ya eyes. God bless. Cheers

lets be real,christ belittled himself just to give us salvation(the ultimate sacrifice).early missionaries abandoned their families and good life,came with their boxes,thought us,slept on bare floors and died of malaria(imagine that).today,our own brothers want to live in the most expensive homes,drive the best cars,marry the most finest of girls,use the best of everything including private jets,hundreds of security agents:all these at the expence of the congregation.in nigeria today,church is the fastest growing venture,cos there is no job.everybody wants to become a pastor/reverend cos of the enormous benefits attached.i believe that offering/thanksgiving or whatevever name it is given is strictly spiritual and private,a thing of humility not pride.as these churches increase,crime and immorality increases,therefore,let us wake up and face reality.people like waifs,orphans,widows,your neighbour in need can be helped not only pastors.dont let them decieve you anylonger,be wise.happy new year