Igbo democracy is fine at the local level. But is not suitable for a modern nation state.

Akhenaten:

There is no such thing as half Igbo in traditional Igbo culture. You are either Igbo or you are not. And the only way you can be considered Igbo is if your father is Igbo.

This is my culture and I will stand by that view.

Now stop making my topic personal and learn to listen.

you should learn to me

i am telling u i am half igbo and u are telling me crap,,,,,, yes ikwerre is not igbo nor ika but u start shouting they are igbo is there father igbo

eku_bear:

Igbo democracy is fine at the local level. But is not suitable for a modern nation state.

why is that Although, i agree with you but i want to know YOUR  reasons

eku_bear:

Igbo democracy is fine at the local level. But is not suitable for a modern nation state.

Igbo democracy is perfect for the local level. And once you get from the local level, people can elect officials who represent them nationally. We do not have this sort of participatory democracy in Nigeria.

That is my problem with the system of government that we have currently set up.

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poster

we the igbos always know that!! gbam

just do not give in to the nuisance and kolos in here

the tribalists dey here

some will even argue like a kolo-mental being u know

just like in my town; a meeting was held to raise money to build a mulit-complex hall; even women raise their share to build things

how many of them can say the same of their village

even in the past a yoruba commentary once wrote only the igbos in uk will get togerther to discuss the issue about back home but the same cant be said about the yoruba

call on them so long as it isnt owambe to see how many that shows up

here they are dey run mouth like they dnt know

the truth must live im afraid


we should be looking for something that define us to copying all white-made

jason, no vex o.  Just wanted to make Akhenaten a little more comfortable in this section.

Pan Africanists seem to have strong views on certaon issues, so wld like to encourage postings/contributions fron him in the politics section.

Akhenaten:

Igbo democracy is perfect for the local level[b]. And once you get from the local level, people can elect officials who represent them nationally. We do not have this sort of participatory democracy in Nigeria.[/b]

That is my problem with the system of government that we have currently set up.

Why not? is it not the local politics that would determine YOUR national politics?

ikeyman00:

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poster

we the igbos always know that!! gbam

just do not give in to the nuisance and kolos in here

the tribalists dey here

some will even argue like a kolo-mental being u know

just like in my town; a meeting was held to raise money to build a mulit-complex hall; even women raise their share to build things

how many of them can say the same of their village

even in the past a yoruba commentary once wrote only the igbos in uk will get togerther to discuss the issue about back home but the same cant be said about the yoruba

call on them so long as it isnt owambe to see how many that shows up

here they are dey run mouth like they dnt know

the truth must live im afraid


we should be looking for something that define us to copying all white-made

ikeyman00:

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poster

we the igbos always know that!! gbam

just do not give in to the nuisance and kolos in here

the tribalists dey here

some will even argue like a kolo-mental being u know

just like in my town; a meeting was held to raise money to build a mulit-complex hall; even women raise their share to build things

how many of them can say the same of their village

even in the past a yoruba commentary once wrote only the igbos in uk will get togerther to discuss the issue about back home but the same cant be said about the yoruba

call on them so long as it isnt owambe to see how many that shows up

here they are dey run mouth like they dnt know

the truth must live im afraid


we should be looking for something that define us to copying all white-made

mumu i am igbo and i do not follow ur views,,, to make your point , u do not have to insult other groups

jason123:

Why not? is it not the local politics that would determine YOUR national politics?

Local politics in Nigeria never go beyond the state level in Nigeria. Nigeria is not even a practicing democracy. It can't even be considered a Republic, because it doesn't represent the views of the people. Does the Nigerian gov't represent your views?

ikeymann, an ill mannered ethnic bigot has landed.

Am out!

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the oracle has spoken im afraid

aboki u heard me right there

jason123:

why is that Although, i agree with you but i want to know YOUR  reasons

Defense, economic policy, and many other national issues need a centralized authority to make decisions. You cannot really "direct democracy" certain things that a nation needs.

Also, direct democracy is a bit dangerous. People sometimes are interested in what is only convenient for right now, even though it is harmful in the longterm.

Igbo democracy is useful for a town or small political unit. But for governing an entire state, much less an entire nation. . . doesn't seem quite appropriate to me.

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haaaaaaahha these fools dnt know what they are doing

the poster only just registered in nl

we ve been here long enough so we know u all quite well

tribalsit bigots as it get

and as the poster moves along he will know what yall like

soon they tell us becomrich makes sense

listen let me tell yall this is 2011; quit plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

ikeyman00:

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the oracle has spoken im afraid

aboki u heard me right there

u dey craze, who be aboki   i am not your friend i love every group in nigeria and i try to respect them in every suitiation but your brother Akhenaten hypocrite can no tell u off after u posted trash,, and that is why igbos on NL will keep thinking the whole world is against them, smh

i have igbo origin, and i will speak the truth when it is deserved

eku_bear:

Defense, economic policy, and many other national issues need a centralized authority to make decisions. You cannot really "direct democracy" certain things that a nation needs.

Also, direct democracy is a bit dangerous. People sometimes are interested in what is only convenient for right now, even though it is harmful in the longterm.

Igbo democracy is useful for a town or small political unit. But for governing an entire state, much less an entire nation. . . doesn't seem quite appropriate to me.

i think this a bad side of the 'traditional democracy'.

eku_bear:

Defense, economic policy, and many other national issues need a centralized authority to make decisions. You cannot really "direct democracy" certain things that a nation needs.

Also, direct democracy is a bit dangerous. People sometimes are interested in what is only convenient for right now, even though it is harmful in the longterm.

Igbo democracy is useful for a town or small political unit. But for governing an entire state, much less an entire nation. . . doesn't seem quite appropriate to me.

Exactly! I used the "too many mouths talking" anology earlier. We are saying the same thing.

Akhenaten:

Local politics in Nigeria never go beyond the state level in Nigeria. Nigeria is not even a practicing democracy. It can't even be considered a Republic, because it doesn't represent the views of the people. Does the Nigerian gov't represent your views?

Nationally, NO. Regionally or locally, yes since we are the ones electing them

edited: nationally no because my ideas might not be your ideas.

Quote from: eku_bear on Today at 09:51:24 PM

Defense, economic policy, and many other national issues need a centralized authority to make decisions. You cannot really "direct democracy" certain things that a nation needs.

Also, direct democracy is a bit dangerous. People sometimes are interested in what is only convenient for right now, even though it is harmful in the longterm.

Igbo democracy is useful for a town or small political unit. But for governing an entire state, much less an entire nation. . . doesn't seem quite appropriate to me.

what has that got to do with issues here

im afraid this is nonesens and i think its inconclusive to say the least

we arent talking about stock-market u know

ikeyman00:

Quote from: eku_bear on Today at 09:51:24 PM
what has that got to do with issues here

im afraid this is nonesens and i think its inconclusive to say the least

we arent talking about stock-market u know

What is your contribution to this thread? You just ruined an interesting argument

alj harem:

mumu i am igbo and i do not follow your views,,, to make your point , u do not have to insult other groups

Pls stop claiming what you're not. Even you live Igbos so much just marry an Igbo wife if she'll agree.

afam4eva:

Pls stop claiming what you're not. Even you live Igbos so much just marry an Igbo wife if she'll agree.

and can you stop claiming that i am not something that clearly am

if it was an ikwerri man that says he is igbo would u not accept him,,,why me that even have an igbo origin, u all will say i am not

eku_bear:

Defense, economic policy, and many other national issues need a centralized authority to make decisions. You cannot really "direct democracy" certain things that a nation needs.

Also, direct democracy is a bit dangerous. People sometimes are interested in what is only convenient for right now, even though it is harmful in the longterm.

Igbo democracy is useful for a town or small political unit. But for governing an entire state, much less an entire nation. . . doesn't seem quite appropriate to me.

This, we can learn from the yoruba or benin system of government.

It is amazing how ethnic bias could blur intellectual capacity of certain folks to grasp the existence of basic and culturally induced democracy in Igbo land even when they have sort of fundamental links in Igbo land.

alj harem1:

and can you stop claiming that i am not something that clearly am

Clearly am? Is it your Aboki username or the fact that you're always anti-Igbo that clearly shows that you're Igbo. By the way which village is your mother from.

Dede1:

It is amazing how ethnic bias could blur intellectual capacity of certain folks to grasp the existence of basic and culturally induced democracy in Igbo land even when they have sort of fundamental links in Igbo land.

i see no ethnic blur here, the only ethnic blur was from ikeyman00

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afam4eva:

Clearly am? Is it your Aboki username or the fact that you're always anti-Igbo that clearly shows that you're Igbo. By the way which village is your mother from.

so me with a northern username make me an aboki ??

afam can you please tell me how i am anti-igbo,,, please show me which thrend i have posted hate against my igbo people

i really really want to know how anti-igbo i am

if it's because i speak the true then u have to watch my post closly because i do the samr to the yorubas and northerners

Dede1:

It is amazing how ethnic bias could blur intellectual capacity of certain folks to grasp the existence of basic and culturally induced democracy in Igbo land even when they have sort of fundamental links in Igbo land.

I am confused. No one said that democracy cannot be learnt from the igbos. All they are saying is it can only work in the local level. Nationally, it would not work because your country does not only consist of igbos but yorubas, hausas and over 250 other groups. What might work for the Ndigbo community might not work for the benins and vis-versa. Btw, why don't we learn from the yorubas and binis? I still prefer their type of democracy where the cheifs talk to a central ruler before a decision is made. That way, power would not be centralised.mo.

~Bluetooth:

This, we can learn from the yoruba or benin system of government.

It is an arrant nonsense to suggest we learn defense or economic policy from Yoruba or Benin system of government when both capitulated at sight of British soldiers. It must be recall Ndigbo clandestinely resisted British influence till the time of amalgamation of the Protectorates.

Dede1:

It is amazing how ethnic bias could blur intellectual capacity of certain folks to grasp the existence of basic and culturally induced democracy in Igbo land even when they have sort of fundamental links in Igbo land.

and who has doubted the egalitarian nature of ibo here ?

jason123:

I am confused. No one said that democracy cannot be learnt from the igbos. All they are saying is it can only work in the local level. Nationally, it would not work because your country does not only consist of igbos but yorubas, hausas and over 250 other groups. What might work for the Ndigbo community might not work for the benins and vis-versa. Btw, why don't we learn from the yorubas and binis? I still prefer their type of democracy where the cheifs talk to a central ruler before a decision is made. That way, power would not be centralised.mo.

i hope you know that their power is more centralized in their type of government more than the igbos.

asha 80:

i hope you know that their power is more centralized in their type of government more than the igbos.

Yes I know. I also know that it is less centralised than the hausa's type of feudal government. This one of the reasons why I prefer it. It can be a meeting point for the two opposite types of government ( igbos and hausa).