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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 5:23pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic:because it's like we are starting all over again,i don't want people to insult me anymore.One has taken it upon himself to insult me day and night because of my post |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by mrsteel: 5:26pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Rozz:People insult u because u are a hypocrite! You claim to be a preacher, but always take photos of your breast and nyansh? Are u in any way trying to mock God? 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 5:28pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic:Please what exactly is your point? Jesus sent his followers to go preaching and teaching from house to house {Matthew 10:3-15} so are you saying people can just wake up on their bed and begin thinking about Jesus without being preached to shey? Romans 10:14 My friend, this one pass your level abeg! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 5:29pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
mrsteel:Be gone |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by mrsteel: 5:32pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Rozz:If u can't practice what u preach, pls stop! So people can listen to true preachers like us when we talk. U make preachers look bad! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 5:35pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
mrsteel:lol are you a preacher? |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by mrsteel: 5:41pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Rozz:Just kidding |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DrLiveLogic(m): 5:48pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Rozz: Mat 10:32-33 KJV 32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. This answer even makes you more suspicious. Whoever you're avoiding has an even greater reason to doubt you now. And no true believer in Jesus is ever ashamed to acknowledge Him before men. If you are really interested in learning here, you should state your stance and where your confusion lies so you can be helped. Is it that you don't believe that Jesus is the only true God? Is it that you know Jesus is the only true God but you don't know how the trinity works? Otherwise, it's left for us to conclude you didn't really come to clear your doubts and learn anything but to drive a message for JW just like your topic looks. 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DrLiveLogic(m): 5:50pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Maximus69:You have no regard for the scriptures. Isn't the same Jesus you say sent out messengers that appeared to Paul. If you say Jesus cannot reveal Himself to people without human agents, you disregard scriptures. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:01pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Rozz: I've told you that most people have the mentality of judging who you are by what they see. That's why you need to be mindful of how you dress before them! Now you're asking questions like the Samaritan woman at Jacob's well {John 4:7-8} Jesus taught her so many things due to her inquisitive attitude but how did her people? John 4:9-24 Well they judge her based on what they're seeing while Jesus based his own judgement on her heart. She's the most blessed of all those Jesus spoke to during his ministry. How do i mean? It's to this lady that Jesus first declared his IDENTIFY! John 4:25-26 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:10pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic:My friend, Jesus openly called Paul due to Paul's heart condition as a Jew! This man was zealous for what his teachers taught him but Jesus noticed that Paul was doing everything out of a misdirected zeal. As for what Paul need to do Jesus still direct him to his organized followers to learn from them {Act 9:6} so there is no confusion in God's arrangement. You must be preached to, learn what God requires of his worshipers and follow those taking the lead in God's organization! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DrLiveLogic(m): 6:42pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Maximus69: With all due respect, the person that taught you the scriptures didn't study properly. This is why it's safer to learn directly from Jesus Himself than men. Let me show you your blunder. Acts 9:6 you quoted does not make your point. Paul was directed by Jesus to wait for further direction which came as the disciple Ananias baptizing him in the Holy Spirit. Paul didn't go to learn from any man. Hear from him. Gal 1:11-12 KJV But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Gal 1:17 KJV Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Gal 2:14 KJV But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? Do you see now that Paul was taught by God directly and even went on to correct the leader of the church, Peter in his erroneous practice. Look again and learn, friend. 1Co 11:23-26 KJV 23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Do you see again that the same thing the apostles learnt from Jesus directly, Paul also learnt from Jesus by revelation and not from the disciples. Accept the simple fact. Jesus teaches men directly by revelation. Any one who is afraid to let you learn directly from God but only wants you to learn from him is leading you to a sect. Where is the Rozz guy sef. I hope he's not running away? Cc: Omokoginimi 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:57pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: You only need to take a step after another Sir! ![]() Paul was a Jewish Scholar who knew the law so we'll through intensive training by a Jewish Rabbi 'Gamaliel' {Act 5:34, 22:3} So Paul had elementary learning and higher degree as a Jewish Scholar before Jesus called him to use him as the Apostle for the Gentiles {Act 9:15 compare to 1Timothy 2:7} yet Paul must learn from the Apostles the right application of God's word as Christ taught them! Act 15:2, 16:3-4 That's why people must preach to people otherwise there won't be any need for anyone to preach again! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DrLiveLogic(m): 7:25pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Maximus69: Can you see why I said you disregard the scriptures and the person who taught you is misleading you. Paul didn't go to learn the gospel from any man. Hear from him and stop disregarding the horse's mouth. Gal 1:11-12 KJV But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Gal 1:17 KJV Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Again you are quoting scriptures upandan without studying. Acts 15:2 and 16:3-4 showed they went to Jerusalem to settle the matter. But Gal2:14 shows what happened there that Paul was already in the know and even corrected Peter's misconduct. Read and learn. Gal 2:14 KJV But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? As for what Paul did with all his learning from Gamaliel and the Pharisees, he threw it all in the dustbin(Phil3:5-8 ). It was all that learning that misled him to persecute Jesus' followers. He repented of it. Friend, you need to sit down and study. Except you disregard scriptures, accept it that Paul learnt the gospel from no man. Are you arguing with the man? Looking for where Paul learnt the gospel from men is like looking for snow in Kano. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:46pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic:you want to come and argue with a jw,let read than to comment.Im still a learner.Hope you are well equipped,dont come and fumble here ooo, my two cents |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:52pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Paul learnt God's word from someone's feet Sir! Act 22:3 compare to Act 5:34 ![]() DrLiveLogic: |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DrLiveLogic(m): 8:09pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Rozz:What kind of a person are you? You are here clearly avoiding my questions again and again and claiming you came here to learn? Or do you think I easily lose focus. I'm yet to take you seriously. You still seem like a mole to the best of my knowledge. If you missed it, here is my last quote to you.
Answer directly cause I'm not losing track of it or else just confess your real motive. 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 8:15pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: DrLiveLogic: Except you disregard scriptures, accept it that Paul learnt the gospel from no man. Are you arguing with the man? Looking for where Paul learnt the gospel from men is like looking for snow in Kano Achorladey: He will readily argue with Jesus Christ himself that hand pick Paul than Paul himself. We never can tell maybe Galatians 1:20 is Maximus69 1:20 Galatians 1: 20 I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie. He will eventually make PAUL a lie ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DrLiveLogic(m): 8:20pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Maximus69:So Rozz just told me you're a JW. No wonder. I was already suspecting it. You've shown utter disregard for the Bible from the onset. You're just recycling what I've already trashed well in our convo cause you're now empty and don't know what to say. Here's another test for you Rozz, since you think so highly of the JW. Read our exchange and tell me what you think about our positions and then I will know further if you are a mole. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 8:21pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Rozz: The image below is the reason Johnw47 call you a LIAR. From the above you say someone is INSULTING you day and night, which is what you draw upon YOURSELF by supporting another man's INSULT by 101% ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DrLiveLogic(m): 8:22pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
achorladey:As in eh. Even imagine Rozz asking if I'm ready for these JW people with shallow learning who know neither the scriptures nor the power of God LMAO. I'm already beginning to think he's a JW mole and if he doesn't answer all my questions. I'll call him out soon. Btw, bro you can use the[quote]...[ /quote] button to make your presentation easier. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 8:25pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: Thanks! will try my hands on it |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:27pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: There are two segments of the scriptures that one must study to have full knowledge of God's word, the OT and the NT! Paul and all those we read about in the Bible had knowledge of the OT so it was the NT that needed to be thoroughly explained to anyone so that they can know how to apply the prophecies about Christ correctly. Paul was educated in accordance with the tenets of the OT so all what he needed is who is the Christ that those prophecies are referring to? For Jesus to have spoken directly with Paul from the sky has given Paul enough evidence that the promised Messiah is Jesus. That's why he said the revelation of Jesus he got directly without anyone teaching him, but there are certain things he must learn from the Apostles because he never worked with Jesus one on one! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 8:32pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: DrLiveLogic: DrLiveLogic wey know Scriptures well well, your Jesus is God. Bros, in your Matthew 10:32-33, who is Jesus "Father in heaven" ? In other words, since your Jesus is God ,who is the Father of God in heaven ? |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:34pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: You sabi too much joh! Jesus asked his followers to go preaching and teaching {Matthew 28:19-20} abeg who are they to preach and teach if nobody will teach you before you become a Christian? Romans 10:14 ![]() Bible plenty for everywhere yet Pastors still dey teach people, even dey collect money (tithes) for teaching members the word of God, abeg why not tell your Pastors that they are doing what Jesus supposed to do himself? ![]() Walahi Talahi sorry is your name! ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:43pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Janosky: He just kept arguing blindly and praising himself over his pigheadedness! He wants to argue that people aren't supposed to be preached to before accepting the gospel. Abeg why Jesus come send out him followers nah? Wetin Musa no go see for gate? ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 8:50pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: ![]() ![]() Acts 9:5-6, What did Jesus instruct Paul to do ? Acts 9:19 , Paul spent some days with Jesus disciples learning how to play Chess ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Romans 10:13-15 "For everyone who will call the name of THE LORD JEHOVAH shall be saved." * 14Therefore, how would they call to This One unless they believed in him, or how would they believe him unless they heard him, or how would they hear without a preacher? 15Or how will they preach, unless they will be sent, as it is written: "How beautiful are the feet of The Messengers of peace and of The Messengers of good things!" The Apostle you carry him matter for head like Gala is already RUBBISHING your claims ![]() ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 8:53pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
TATIME: TATIME: That's why he said the revelation of Jesus he got directly without anyone teaching him, but there are certain things he must learn from the Apostles because he never worked with Jesus one on one! Achorladey: that your but na ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 8:58pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Janosky: How did Paul become a Christian? That was the QUESTION asked as a result of your brother Maximus69 saying.....So to become a Christian, someone must come to preach to you You go DIVERT the whole thing now 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:59pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Janosky: I've told Rozz that There are many so many rivers to cross! The dude is already demonized but he may not know of it. In the actual fact, the boy is saying there is no need to work for Jesus in the preaching and teaching assignment, let Jesus do it all by himself" Luke 10:1 ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:10pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
achorladey: My but is all about what Jesus taught his followers directly. There were three ways Jesus taught his followers, through words, thought and actions. Paul must learn these three things from the disciples who worked with Jesus in the ministry. Jesus' direct appearance to Paul was to help him beyond reasonable doubt that Jesus is the expected Messiah. So all what Paul needed is to start applying everything the Hebrew scriptures (OT) says about the Messiah to Jesus! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by DrLiveLogic(m): 9:10pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Janosky: What's this? An all out attack from JWs? LMAO, 20 goats will still scamper before one lion. LMAO. I hope Rozz is seated with popcorn and soda. Hahahaha. The problem with you JWs is that you don't know God. Y'all think God is like a man or an angel who can't be in two places at the same time and you wonder how God can be on earth and heaven at the same time. Joh 3:13 KJV And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is (Greek: being) in heaven. I bet y'all never knew Jesus said he was in two places at the same time. Earth and heaven at the same time. I hear you ask what sense this makes? Sit down you carnal minds and learn basic knowledge. God's destiny for man is to make him in the image of God i.e. to be exactly as God is. How can a creature who cannot conceive what the Creator is like become like the Creator except the Creator first turns Himself into a Creature and shows as a fellow creature, what the creature must do to become as the Creator. Is this not the simple gospel? God became a man so that he can show man how to become God. Read and learn, Mr. Phi 2:6-7 6 Who, being in nature, God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: Do you see clearly the mystery. Jesus was God because it is only God that is equal with God, no angel or creature is equal with God. But when God wanted to manifest as a creature, he gave up his divine reputation and took the form of flesh and blood to show men that only through the cross can men become God. (Let this mind be in you, Philippians 2:5) What you call trinity is not theee persons but one person who takes three stages to reveal Himself fully. 3 Likes |
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