dem_people:

And that's what money can solve nowadays. The only reason why GEJ won the primaries was due to the massive out-bribery of the delegates than Atiku's bribery attempts. Everyone's after their own pocket now in 9ja. Even in the north, the political unity and cohesion that they're known for, has disappeared. If the power of incumbency which is GEJ, decide on an Igbo presido in 2015 then, it'll happen by, . . . . you guessed it right, the POWERS OF RIGGING.

If it is all about money, I can bet you that an igbo man will be president already. It's more than that.

Yes Joeboy was lucky. If Yarasick had not die and him becoming a sitting president and having the power of incumbency, he wouldn't have been able to smell the presidency in 100yrs. But there are many other SS hopeful that can, besides, any SS candidate has the advantage of coming from the region that produce about 80% of the federal income, so the rest of the nation will have to deal with them carefully, but this cannot be said about an Ndigbo.

A 100M race where one of the participants is required to start from the 200M mark for whatever reason. Hmmm, interesting.

Kobojunkie:

Actually, I saw exactly what I have seen for the past 20 years at least, and that what I stated there. If you think it is not the case, simply state your point and move on.

Unfortunately for people who think as you do in this, the more you run, the more you find out that you are better off running away from your own selves than trying to run away from people like me.

Again, if you have a reasonable rebuttal, put it forth or shove it already!

Before I let you shove it where you know best, I must congratulate you on the self-acclaimed expertise on Ndigbo. You can not even appraise your worth or see beyond your nose talk less Ndigbo. It will amount to silly endeavor for me to indulge in an empty and childish drivel such as this thread. You have to be met with solemn disappointment if you honestly expect me to deduce a reasonable rebuttal to a subject devoid of any intellectual pedigree.   

It did not occur to me that the position of presidency of Nigeria is the yardstick to measure the caliber of individuals from certain ethnic stocks in the country. Well, what a calibrated prism you have snagged for yourself. I say keep it up. By the way, any person of Igbo stock who hungered for the presidency of the cesspit called Nigeria is a bloody fool.

dem_people:

[b]And that's what money can solve nowadays. [/b]The only reason why GEJ won the primaries was due to the massive out-bribery of the delegates than Atiku's bribery attempts. Everyone's after their own pocket now in 9ja. Even in the north, the political unity and cohesion that they're known for, has disappeared. If the power of incumbency which is GEJ, decide on an Igbo presido in 2015 then, it'll happen by, . . . . you guessed it right, the POWERS OF RIGGING.

I have to agree with @OAMJ. This problem has NOTHING to do with money. Even Orji with all his thievery, will find it hard to BUY his way into that seat, even if he actually stole 10 times what Abacha stole from the Nation as a Whole. You are only able to buy your way when you get up there and you are faced with the real competition. Then money becomes more a solution than anything else. We saw this work in Jonathan's case. He didn't get to Aso Rock because he had more money or could rig his own way. The man rode the corrupt escalator to power, and only now can we say that he probably paid his way into victory at the past primaries.

South East politicians have not made much effort to move themselves from simply being regional forces to national forces. This, in my opinion, has been obvious for decades, and not much has been done to change the situation. This was true back in 2007 when I first made this known, and it is still true today.

odein ajumogobia is not igbo.people need to learn about other ethniicities in this country.

hausas and yorubas are majority in terms od ruling nigeria and what a good job they have dine so far.congrats.

asha 80:

odein ajumogobia is not igbo.people need to learn about other ethniicities in this country.

[b]hausas and yorubas are majority in terms od ruling nigeria and what a good job they have dine so far.co[/b]ngrats.

When you typed that, I feel quite ashamed . . .

jason123:

When you typed that, I feel quite ashamed . . .

Edited

I feel ashamed that our leaders have failed us not ashamed of you. I just wanted to clarify that.

asha 80:

odein ajumogobia is not igbo.people need to learn about other ethniicities in this country.

hausas and yorubas are majority in terms od ruling nigeria and what a good job they have dine so far.congrats.

So where is he from

The guy's resume is impressive.

asha 80:

odein ajumogobia is not igbo.people need to learn about other ethniicities in this country.

hausas and yorubas are majority in terms od ruling nigeria and what a good job they have dine so far.congrats.

I think it is no secret how most of the current Yoruba/Hausa politicians we have in the national scene were able to make it there. And it took many of them at least a decade to get to where they are with their corrupt selves.

That being said, if an Ibo politician wants to follow the same pattern, then he or she should be willing to pay his/her dues in much the same way OR work instead on building his/her resume especially with people outside of his/her region. It is no secret that many Ibo politicians still have a hard time getting the Ijaw vote and vice versa.

This fstranger's sexuality is in doubt. I suspect a hermaphrodite

Mobinga:

This fstranger's sexuality is in doubt. I suspect a hermaphrodite

Why?

fstranger1:


So where is he from

The guy's resume is impressive.

His name sounds Kalabari so he could be from Port Harcourt. The man is an Ijaw.

Odein is still majorly a nobody to most of Nigeria, even the SE.

That why he will be a better candidate to represent the Igbos, he has an acceptable face and i'm sure someone in his family is from igbo or has an Igbo middlename like azikwe 

Lets be honest without rotating the presidency or 'fairness and equity' i don't see this happening so soon

they don't like anybody- if out three candidates Yoruba, Hausa and Igbo even in a fair and free election

Most of these posters were born after the Civil War and they continue to hate the Ndigbo. You said time heals everything. No. There is real anger amongst Igbo youth. Everyday we are hearing our people are being targeted in the North. I thought we were Nigerians?

Everyday, we have to suffer the ridicule, the slaps in our face and the disrespect of our people. Enough is enough. There will come a day when the Igbo rise up, and you better hope that day is not not near. Because the way things are looking in the world, Nigeria could implode at any moment.

Yea, amongst those online

sometimes one will think the only people in the house of assembly, pdp ministers are Hausas and Yorubas

Dis Guy:

That why he will be a better candidate to represent the Igbos, he has an acceptable face and i'm sure someone in his family is from igbo or has an Igbo middlename like azikwe

Lets be honest without rotating the presidency or 'fairness and equity' i don't see this happening so soon

they don't like anybody- if you out three candidates Yoruba, Hausa and Igbo even in a fair and free election

When you say represent the Igbos, the person has to be Igbo to represent the Igbos. We have numerous qualified people to do a better job than we've seen so far in Nigeria which you'll agree with me have been a very poor job so far.

When you say represent the East, then any Easterner can do the job.

Dis Guy:

That why he will be a better candidate to represent the Igbos, he has an acceptable face and i'm sure someone in his family is from igbo or has an Igbo middlename like azikwe

hmm . . . people will vote for his face? ** shudders** I hope that is not true oo. lol

Dis Guy:

Lets be honest without rotating the presidency or 'fairness and equity' i don't see this happening so soon

Unfortunately, you are probably right!

Obiagu1:

[b]When you say represent the Igbos, the person has to be Igbo to represent the Igbos. [/b]We have numerous qualified people to do a better job than we've seen so far in Nigeria which you'll agree with me have been a very poor job so far.

When you say represent the East, then any Easterner can do the job.

And that is the number one reason why Ibo politicians are having a hard time crossing over to National politics. Most of those whom you deem qualified only seem to be qualified on a regional(ibo) basis, and not qualified enough to lead outside of their region.

If a person is qualified enough to represent only Ibos, then how do you expect that person to also lead Ijaws? Yorubas? Hausas? Fulanis?

Kobojunkie:

And that is the number one reason why Ibo politicians are having a hard time crossing over to National politics. Most of those whom you deem qualified only seem to be qualified on a regional(ibo) basis, and not qualified enough to lead outside of their region.

If a person is qualified enough to represent only Ibos, then how do you expect that person to also lead Ijaws? Yorubas? Hausas? Fulanis?

Who amongst our 3 last elected leaders is more qualified than Soludo? Is it OBJ, Yar'dua or GEJ?
No, a qualified Igbo has to be christ himself to be qualified enough to lead Nigeria.

Obiagu1:

When you say represent the Igbos, the person has to be Igbo to represent the Igbos. We have numerous qualified people to do a better job than we've seen so far in Nigeria which you'll agree with me have been a very poor job so far.

When you say represent the East, then any Easterner can do the job.

Absolutely!! there are a 1000 and one, even plenty of them that shone in the past 11 years since democracy, crossing the fence of 'naija' politics is another thing, chances are they will be against others that can work with other tribes without trying too much

Dis Guy:

Absolutely!! there are a 1000 and one, even plenty of them that shone in the past 11 years since democracy, crossing the fence of 'naija' politics is another thing, chances are they will be against others that can work with other tribes without trying too much

I don't understand the bolded.

Fashola Vs Soludo Vs El Rufai or some random Alhaji


many people will connect more with the populace than others

^^^

I understand now, it's still the civil war hangover.

Obiagu1:

Who amongst our 3 last elected leaders is more qualified than Soludo? Is it OBJ, Yar'dua or GEJ?
No, a qualified Igbo has to be christ himself to be qualified enough to lead Nigeria.

Thanks to obj that saw something good in him, otherwise i doubt anyone will be talking about him. Agreed the guy is good, but the Ndigbos see nothing much in him. Though I still have some respect for the guys's intelligence.

If the Ndigbos think he is not good enough to be governor of a state, why would the rest Nigerians accept him for any bigger role?

Charity they say should start at home. Nidigbo must 1st learn to appreciate their own, then others will follow. Others cant love you more than you love yourselves. Think about that!

Kobojunkie:

I think it is no secret how most of the current Yoruba/Hausa politicians we have in the national scene were able to make it there. And it took many of them at least a decade to get to where they are with their corrupt selves.

That being said, if an Ibo politician wants to follow the same pattern, then he or she should be willing to pay his/her dues in much the same way OR work instead on building his/her resume especially with people outside of his/her region. It is no secret that many Ibo politicians still have a hard time getting the Ijaw vote and vice versa.

They were able to make it there through ganging and thuggery abi?. It is a pity that the Igbo paranoia continues to haunt many people in Nigeria. The North will rather collude with the SW to win the SE and the SW will rather collude with the North to win the SE until June 12 1993.  If you look at the formation, it will be 2/3 all the time. Isn't Obasanjo the only elected president from the whole Southern Nigeria post Biafra? and isn't he supposed to be a Northern surrogate designed to make Yorubas feel satisfied and drop the June 12 agenda?.

Which politician in Nigeria was able to cut across Northern and Southern lines apart from Abiola?. Obasanjo flunked in the South West, won part of the North and was rigged into victory in the SE.

Obiagu1:

Who amongst our 3 last elected leaders is more qualified than Soludo? Is it OBJ, Yar'dua or GEJ?
No, a qualified Igbo has to be christ himself to be qualified enough to lead Nigeria.

You are still IGNORING THE POINT.

Obasanjo spent decades of his life working himself Up the ladder to get to be the president when he did. He made deals to get himself there. Yar adua, like goodluck were simply lucky bastards in all this. These two men did not need to work their way up but simply aligned themselves as closely as they could with Obasanjo, who used his power, as many claim, to get them into Aso Rock.

From that, one can easily deduce that it is possible to get to Aso Rock. What one has to do is closely align one'self with those currently in the inner circle (corrupt), no serious qualifications necessary( Yar adua proved himself incompetent from the go but he still got the nomination. Jonathan did not need to lift a finger at all and he still was able to get to Aso Rock).

Now, if you want to make it to Aso Rock on qualification, you have to ask what those qualifications are, and how they translate beyond your ethnic boundary. From the current terrain, it seems majority of Ibo politicians still align themselves with Ibo politics -- Not Ijaw, or hausa, or even Yoruba. They mostly do not work on their acceptance outside of the ibo circle, and I particularly find it amusing how shocked they are, when they eventually go out there and are rejected. This has little or nothing to do with the civil war but more to do with the fact that people have not been exposed to a lot of the Ibo leaders.

I don't think Soludo as President will make sense, in much the same way I don't believe Soyinka as president or even Iweala as president makes sense. Not everyone is cut out to be a politician or has leadership skills necessary for such a position.

aloy/emeka:

They were able to make it there through ganging and thuggery abi?. It is a pity that the Igbo paranoia continues to haunt many people in Nigeria. The North will rather collude with the SW to win the SE and the SW will rather collude with the North to win the SE until June 12 1993.  If you look at the formation, it will be 2/3 all the time. Isn't Obasanjo the only elected president from the whole Southern Nigeria post Biafra? and isn't he supposed to be a Northern surrogate designed to make Yorubas feel satisfied and drop the June 12 agenda?.

Which politician in Nigeria was able to cut across Northern and Southern lines apart from Abiola?. Obasanjo flunked in the South West, won part of the North and was rigged into victory in the SE.

You can always rest on that belief "that all of Nigeria is paranoid of Ibos" or you can try another approach to solving the problem.

I am glad you picked the only two examples of people actually elected to leadership in that country. Obasanjo, after spending years working himself into the main circle, had to make DEALS with those outside of his ethnic group in order to get himself elected. Abiola, spent decades cleaning up his image, both in the North, as well as in the South, so yes, we can say the man did the work necessary. But in both cases, both men had to work on their image BEYOND their Ethnic wall. Ibo Politicians need to learn to do the same -- not wait until 3 months/days to election to show up in Ondo, or Kwara,Kano, and then wonder why the people did not vote you at all.  Yes, there will be those who vote along ethnic lines but there are equally those out there who may be from the same ethnic group as the candidate but have no clue why they should vote someone who they have really heard of.

OAM4J:

Thanks to obj that saw something good in him, otherwise i doubt anyone will be talking about him. Agreed the guy is good, but the Ndigbos see nothing much in him. Though I still have some respect for the guys's intelligence.

If the Ndigbos think he is not good enough to be governor of a state, why would the rest Nigerians accept him for any bigger role?

Charity they say should start at home. Nidigbo must 1st learn to appreciate their own, then others will follow. Others cant love you more than you love yourselves. Think about that!

I'm I non-Igbo? So how come did you say we don't see much in him?
I'm from Anambra by the way and my family voted for Peter Obi because we still want to keep PDP state level at arms length; they've ruined us.

Let Soludo join APGA and you'll witness the greatest landslide in the history of Anambra.

Thanks to OBJ by the way. No one can just enter the national level without someone given him a chance.

Kobojunkie:

You are still IGNORING THE POINT.

Obasanjo spent decades of his life working himself Up the ladder to get to be the president when he did. He made deals to get himself there. Yar adua, like goodluck were simply lucky bastards in all this. These two men did not need to work their way up but simply aligned themselves as closely as they could with Obasanjo, who used his power, as many claim, to get them into Aso Rock.



I don't think Soludo as President will make sense, in much the same way I don't believe Soyinka as president or even Iweala as president makes sense. Not everyone is cut out to be a politician or has leadership skills necessary for such a position.

Stop being fooolish please. Obasanjo was  a member of the military junta who usurped power and destroyed  Nigeria. If you claim that he worked himself up there then the likes of IBB and Abacha should be extolled too. When people like you make comments like this, it makes the likes of Tunji Braithwaithe, KO Mbadiwe, etc look like dummies. Obasanjo was a member of the crooked caucus who made sure Nigeria never woke from slumber. Others are TY Danjuma, IBB, Jeremiah Useni, Gwarzo, etc. May their generation suffer for their sins amen. Tell me any of them who is Igbo?. Or is it now a thing of honor to conquer people through thuggery and looting?. Instead of you to extol the Igbos who refuse to allow their home grown criminals like Arthur Nzeribe to thrive, you are telling them that they need to produce people who have mastered the art of rigging and looting public funds. Shame on you.

aloy/emeka:

Stop being fooolish please. Obasanjo was  a member of the military junta who usurped power and destroyed  Nigeria. If you claim that he worked himself up there then the likes of IBB and Abacha should be extolled too. When people like you make comments like this, it makes the likes of Tunji Braithwaithe, KO Mbadiwe, etc look like dummies. Obasanjo was a member of the crooked caucus who made sure Nigeria never woke from slumber. Others are TY Danjuma, IBB, Jeremiah Useni, Gwarzo, etc. May their generation suffer for their sins amen. Tell me any of them who is Igbo?. Or is it now a thing of honor to conquer people through thuggery and looting?. Instead of you to extol the Igbos who refuse to allow their home grown criminals like Arthur Nzeribe to thrive, you are telling them that they need to produce people who have mastered the art of rigging and looting public funds. Shame on you.

Stop being foolish yourself, and stick to responding with rational rebuttals, not silly ramblings that matter little to the discussion.

Kobojunkie:

You can always rest on that belief "that all of Nigeria is paranoid of Ibos" or you can try another approach to solving the problem.

I am glad you picked the only two examples of people actually elected to leadership in that country. Obasanjo, after spending years working himself into the main circle, had to make DEALS with those outside of his ethnic group in order to get himself elected. Abiola, spent decades cleaning up his image, both in the North, as well as in the South, so yes, we can say the man did the work necessary. But in both cases, both men had to work on their image BEYOND their Ethnic wall. Ibo Politicians need to learn to do the same -- not wait until 3 days to election to show up in Ondo and then wonder why the people did not vote you at all. 

Will you stop please because Obasanjo did not make deal with any Southerner. Not with yorubas, Igbos, Ijaw, etc. The Northerners used him as a surrogate to make Yorubas forget the June 12 robbery. Is charity not supposed to begin from home?. How did he successfully make these deals without any backing from Yorubas?. PDP singlehandedly rigged him into power and it is a pity that the same power he had then is waning. You can imagine his popularity now when Daniels who is another crook defeated him in his own state. Something you cannot hear about in Kwara even though Saraki is yet to taste the apex political power. If Obasanjo is that powerful in brokering deals, why couldn't he conquer Ogun state?.

Asiwaju Tinubu of today is more powerful politically than Obasanjo.

Obiagu1:

Who amongst our 3 last elected leaders is more qualified than Soludo? Is it OBJ, Yar'dua or GEJ?
No, a qualified Igbo has to be christ himself to be qualified enough to lead Nigeria.

You are still IGNORING THE POINT.

Obasanjo spent decades of his life working himself Up the ladder to get to be the president when he did. He made deals to get himself there. Yar adua, like goodluck were simply lucky bastards in all this. These two men did not need to work their way up but simply aligned themselves as closely as they could with Obasanjo, who used his power, as many claim, to get them into Aso Rock.

From that, one can easily deduce that it is possible to get to Aso Rock. What one has to do is closely align one'self with those currently in the inner circle (corrupt), no serious qualifications necessary( Yar adua proved himself incompetent from the go but he still got the nomination. Jonathan did not need to lift a finger at all and he still was able to get to Aso Rock).

Now, if you want to make it to Aso Rock on qualification, you have to ask what those qualifications are, and how they translate beyond your ethnic boundary. From the current terrain, it seems majority of Ibo politicians still align themselves with Ibo politics -- Not Ijaw, or hausa, or even Yoruba. They mostly do not work on their acceptance outside of the ibo circle, and I particularly find it amusing how shocked they are, when they eventually go out there and are rejected.  This has little or nothing to do with the civil war but more to do with the fact that people have not been exposed to a lot of the Ibo leaders.

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Even though I am not a fan of his tactic, we can see how Ribadu, has had to align himself with a group like the ACN, to help him get the Hausa and the Yoruba Vote. I don't see many Ibo politicians doing anything similar.

*****
On Soludo, I don't think Soludo as President will make sense, in much the same way I don't believe Soyinka as president or even Iweala as president makes sense. Not everyone is cut out to be a politician or has leadership skills necessary for such a position.

Kobojunkie:

You are still IGNORING THE POINT.

Obasanjo spent decades of his life working himself Up the ladder to get to be the president when he did. He made deals to get himself there. Yar adua, like goodluck were simply lucky bastards in all this. These two men did not need to work their way up but simply aligned themselves as closely as they could with Obasanjo, who used his power, as many claim, to get them into Aso Rock.

From that, one can easily deduce that it is possible to get to Aso Rock. What one has to do is closely align one'self with those currently in the inner circle (corrupt), no serious qualifications necessary( Yar adua proved himself incompetent from the go but he still got the nomination. Jonathan did not need to lift a finger at all and he still was able to get to Aso Rock).

Now, if you want to make it to Aso Rock on qualification, you have to ask what those qualifications are, and how they translate beyond your ethnic boundary. From the current terrain, it seems majority of Ibo politicians still align themselves with Ibo politics -- Not Ijaw, or hausa, or even Yoruba. They mostly do not work on their acceptance outside of the ibo circle, and I particularly find it amusing how shocked they are, when they eventually go out there and are rejected.  This has little or nothing to do with the civil war but more to do with the fact that people have not been exposed to a lot of the Ibo leaders.

I don't think Soludo as President will make sense, in much the same way I don't believe Soyinka as president or even Iweala as president makes sense. Not everyone is cut out to be a politician or has leadership skills necessary for such a position.

Ekwueme did not restrict himself to local level, did he? He only lost out because the military did not want him.

Soludo only dabbled into local politics recently, lost, and left it immediately. He has aligned himself with others, but unfortunately for him, Atiku lost. so it will take him some time. If Atiku had won and he was made the VP, then what else more can he do to win the Presidency?

So don't say we don't build ourselves up. Many did but the Biafra stigma is still hanging on our necks.

i can understand when people say abiola worked himself up to elected president but no one should tell me about Obj working up to anything.Someone the ex military junta used to appease the sw because of june 12? abeg free me