Bkayyy:

What do you mean by igodomigodo idu?

Sorry, look for my other thread and join

Indigenous people of Igodomigodo

Etinosa1234:


Ahhh...but u were confident that Benin were less than 500,000

Show me the census that gave u that data...

I've done my part

The truth is that there is no official data showing the population of minority ethnicities (correct me with proof if I am wrong). With population of Edo state estimated to be 5 million in 2014 and the state consisting of five major ethnic groups and Nigerian biased numbers put in consideration , in reality bini cannot be up to 800,000

Atigba:


I mentioned Nnadi Kanu in the article not the author.

Yes those names are Igodomigodo Idu names.

Nnamdi*

Etinosa1234:


When Britannica stated the population of Bini as 3.8million they didn't mean only in Edo state...
Are Benin found only in Edo state

Ohk... Lemme ask

Do the whole 40million igbos reside in southeast?

There lies ur answer

IGBO-SPEAKERS are found in both the SE and SW.

Name other states where there are BINI-SPEAKERS, and their population in those states.

Atigba:
The Origin of Arochukwu, Ohofia, Abam, Ututu etc. - by Prof. J. Akuma-Kalu Njoku.

Around 16 century, the southern part of Igboland was originately inhabited by Oru people before some Igbos in the Northern part migrated to join Oru due to population pressure and depletion of quality of farmland.
*Note the Oru people who were the aborigines of The land stem from Igodomigodo.*

In addition to southward migration, another group of migrants, the Mben - Owan group, migrated from Igodomigodo/Edo State eastward across the Niger River and passed through Oru moving further eastward until they came to a place they called Be Ndi (Bende) Igbo, meaning Igbo territory. Some of the names of these immigrants who migrated from Igodomigodo and populated Bende were; Alayi, Igbere, Nkalu Itu, Abam, Ohofia, Ututu and Arochukwu.

These Igodomigodo immigrants aggressively displaced the original Anang and ibibio inhabitants of the area and claimed their forest and lands. The case of of Abam, Ohofia and Ututu was particularly poignant because of the brutal way they went about forest and land acquisitions. They faughtand virtually wiped out or displaced the aborigines. Thus, whereas the Igbo to Oru migration and settlement pattern were marked by pacts of mutual coexistence with the aborigines of Oru, the Mben - Owan trail to Bende was marked with incidences of displacement and subjugation.

J. Akuma-Kalu is an Associate professor of Folklore and Ethnomusicology in the Department of Folklore Studies and Anthopology at Western Kentucky University.

Source: Establishing Igbo Community Tradition in the United States: Lessons from Folkloristic.

*Nnadi Kanu is from Afara Ohofia and his ancestors are from Igodomigodo, present day Edo State. He should stop deceiving uneducated Igbos about Jewish ancestry.

There's no Afara in Ohafia. The only Afara village in Igboland can be found in Ibeku, Umuahia.

Nnamdi Kanu is from Afara, Ibeku - Umuahia.

Kamanuozuzu:


Nnamdi*

Go and ask your father question if you are from those town I mentioned above

Bkayyy:

The truth is that there is no official data showing the population of minority ethnicities (correct me with proof if I am wrong). With population of Edo state estimated to be 5 million in 2014 and the state consisting of five major ethnic groups, bini cannot be up to 800,000

But u were Making claims confidently that Benin were not up to 800,000
Bro ...always make ur findings ... Benin consist of 57% of the Edo state population So now ..show me where u found out that Benin is 800,000 since u are so sure than a well known site that did theirs
The Britannica site made their research and got findings of up to 3.8million Benin and more than 1.4m residing in Edo state

Kamanuozuzu:


There's no Afara in Ohafia. The only Afara village in Igboland can be found in Ibeku, Umuahia.

Nnamdi Kanu is from Afara, Ibeku - Umuahia.

It doesn't change anything

Idu children populate Abia State

OfoIgbo:


IGBO-SPEAKERS are found in both the SE and SW.

Name other states where there are BINI-SPEAKERS, and their population in those states.

Bini speakers are also in Southwest... But they are a minority

So are u confidently saying that Benin are only found in Edo state and no other states in Nigeria or Even in the whole world
Is that what u are saying

Atigba:


Sorry, look for my other thread and join

Indigenous people of Igodomigodo

I just glanced through it and it looks somehow.
From what I can grab you were saying that:
1.) igodomigodo is like a distinct ethnicity
2.)The Benin people we know of in Edo State are not the owners of the land but igodomigodo
3.) after igodomigodo fell to the oduduwa Yoruba, Benin was created
4.) after the fall of igodomigodo, some of its citizens decided to travel to igbo land and were peacefully accepted
5.)igodomigodo has no distinct language because the resultant states don't speak related languages as the igbo counterparts speak Niger Congo and the western Niger benue, and their phenotype says otherwise
I can't help the laughter lol

Etinosa1234:


Bini speakers are also in Southwest... But they are a minority

So are u confidently saying that Benin are only found in Edo state and no other states in Nigeria or Even in the whole world
Is that what u are saying

Of course bini language is only heard in some parts of Bini (not all o) because the last time I was there I only heard pidgin.
New bini na pidgin and hausa them dey speak there, Oba market pidgin, bini, Igbo, Yoruba, mission road pidgin, Igbo, bini

Etinosa1234:


Bini speakers are also in Southwest... But they are a minority

So are u confidently saying that Benin are only found in Edo state and no other states in Nigeria or Even in the whole world
Is that what u are saying

Of course bini language is only heard in some parts of Bini (not all o) because the last time I was there I only heard pidgin.
New bini na pidgin, Igbo and hausa them dey speak there, Oba market pidgin, bini, Igbo, Yoruba, mission road pidgin, Igbo, bini
And the bini is only heard from the elderly. You guys seriously need to work on that

Bkayyy:

I just glanced through it and it looks somehow.
From what I can grab you were saying that:
1.) igodomigodo is like a distinct ethnicity
2.)The Benin people we know of in Edo State are not the owners of the land but igodomigodo
3.) after igodomigodo fell to the oduduwa Yoruba, Benin was created
4.) after the fall of igodomigodo, some of its citizens decided to travel to igbo land and were peacefully accepted
5.)igodomigodo has no distinct language because the resultant states don't speak related languages as the igbo counterparts speak Niger Congo and the western Niger benue, and their phenotype says otherwise
I can't help the laughter lol

Na my brother in the lord u dey talk to like dat

Bkayyy:

Of course bini language is only heard in some parts of Bini (not all o) because the last time I was there I only heard pidgin.
New bini na pidgin, Igbo and hausa them dey speak there, Oba market pidgin, bini, Igbo, Yoruba, mission road pidgin, Igbo, bini

True Sha... I'll accept that...

Even me .I can't fluently speak my language...

There are a lot of household speaking Benin but when dey get outside..they prefer to speak Pidgin atimes

Maybe due to the fact that we are a minority and the people coming May not be benin

Etinosa1234:


True Sha... I'll accept that...

Even me .I can't fluently speak my language...

There are a lot of household speaking Benin but when dey get outside..they prefer to speak Pidgin atimes

Maybe due to the fact that we are a minority and the people coming May not be benin

I admire your honesty

Bkayyy:

Of course bini language is only heard in some parts of Bini (not all o) because the last time I was there I only heard pidgin.
New bini na pidgin, Igbo and hausa them dey speak there, Oba market pidgin, bini, Igbo, Yoruba, mission road pidgin, Igbo, bini
And the bini is only heard from the elderly. You guys seriously need to work on that

Wa lare...
E don do

We are talking abt population not language

Don't make me cry here

Bkayyy:

I just glanced through it and it looks somehow.
From what I can grab you were saying that:
1.) igodomigodo is like a distinct ethnicity
2.)The Benin people we know of in Edo State are not the owners of the land but igodomigodo
3.) after igodomigodo fell to the oduduwa Yoruba, Benin was created
4.) after the fall of igodomigodo, some of its citizens decided to travel to igbo land and were peacefully accepted
5.)igodomigodo has no distinct language because the resultant states don't speak related languages as the igbo counterparts speak Niger Congo and the western Niger benue, and their phenotype says otherwise
I can't help the laughter lol

Why are you laughing

It is the truth

Etinosa1234:


Bini speakers are also in Southwest... But they are a minority

So are u confidently saying that Benin are only found in Edo state and no other states in Nigeria or Even in the whole world
Is that what u are saying

I just know that BINI-speakers outside Edo state will not be up to 300,000. Maybe even not up to 100,000. They have to be very few. So even if you add the BINI-speakers outside Edo state to the ones in Edo state. It will only bring up the number to around 2 million and nothing more.

So you see why I still am sure that BINI-speakers are not up to 3.8 million, according to the Britannica page. I still say that the Wikipedia page has more realistic figures

Atigba:


Why are you laughing

It is the truth

It is funny. Do you know that the major determinant of ethnicity is phenotype before language.
Now tell me, is there any difference in the phenotype of igbos across igbo land including the now "anioma" and "ikwerre"?
Is there any similarity in your acclaimed igodomigodo igbos phenotype and contemporary Benin and ijaws?

Bkayyy:

It is funny. Do you know that the major determinant of ethnicity is phenotype before language.
Now tell me, is there any difference in the phenotype of igbos across igbo land including the now "anioma" and "ikwerre"?
Is there any similarity in your acclaimed igodomigodo igbos phenotype and contemporary Benin and ijaws?

All the ethnic nationalities you mentioned are clans in Igodomigodo.

Ikwerres is a clan in Igodomigodo

The people know as Igbo today stem from Ika,Igbanke,Owa in Igodomigodo

Anioma is an offshoot of Igodomigodo, our children founded those communities.

OfoIgbo:


Paved roads mean nothing if it is not backed up by real innovation in other areas.
Even animals pave their roads to their favourite watering holes.

Every compound in any traditional society has paved paths that lead to it. You have to show us archeological findings that prove Ife is more ancient than Nri. So far, Nri has shown something created in the 9AD which totally outclasses and predates the Ife findings.
Also, I have already written about the Benin people telling the neutral Portuguese about a kingdom to the east of Benin, which was the PRE-EMINENT within the Benin vicinity (which obviously includes Ife Kingdom).
Nri got a big cultural d*ck to wield. Y'all should hide Benin and Ife cultural p*ssies in the presence of this huge cultural d*ck from the east

Why don't you show me the pavement in you imaginary Nri kingdom since every kingdom has it and i dare u to show a well backed research that claims Nri is older than Ife not some wiki trash.

Atigba:
The Origin of Arochukwu, Ohofia, Abam, Ututu etc. - by Prof. J. Akuma-Kalu Njoku.

Around 16 century, the southern part of Igboland was originately inhabited by Oru people before some Igbos in the Northern part migrated to join Oru due to population pressure and depletion of quality of farmland.
*Note the Oru people who were the aborigines of The land stem from Igodomigodo.*

In addition to southward migration, another group of migrants, the Mben - Owan group, migrated from Igodomigodo/Edo State eastward across the Niger River and passed through Oru moving further eastward until they came to a place they called Be Ndi (Bende) Igbo, meaning Igbo territory. Some of the names of these immigrants who migrated from Igodomigodo and populated Bende were; Alayi, Igbere, Nkalu Itu, Abam, Ohofia, Ututu and Arochukwu.

These Igodomigodo immigrants aggressively displaced the original Anang and ibibio inhabitants of the area and claimed their forest and lands. The case of of Abam, Ohofia and Ututu was particularly poignant because of the brutal way they went about forest and land acquisitions. They faughtand virtually wiped out or displaced the aborigines. Thus, whereas the Igbo to Oru migration and settlement pattern were marked by pacts of mutual coexistence with the aborigines of Oru, the Mben - Owan trail to Bende was marked with incidences of displacement and subjugation.

J. Akuma-Kalu is an Associate professor of Folklore and Ethnomusicology in the Department of Folklore Studies and Anthopology at Western Kentucky University.

Source: Establishing Igbo Community Tradition in the United States: Lessons from Folkloristic.

*Nnadi Kanu is from Afara Ohofia and his ancestors are from Igodomigodo, present day Edo State. He should stop deceiving uneducated Igbos about Jewish ancestry.

The bolded is propagation of falsehood. Afara is in Umuahia. Not in Ohafia.

Balogunodua:
Why don't you show me the pavement in you imaginary Nri kingdom since every kingdom has it and i dare u to show a well backed research that claims Nri is older than Ife not some wiki trash.

Nri artifact dates back to the 9th century AD, while Ife bronze sculptures are centuries behind the Nri art works, and yet Nri art works are far more complicated and finer and more artistic. This is not a wikipedia fact

Portuguese explorers in the 1400s got information from Bini people about the pre-eminence of a kingdom to the east of Benin over the neighbouring kingdoms (which obviously included Ife). Again, this is not a wikipedia fact. Thank God Portugues explorers documented these facts.

Conclusion. Nri kingdom is older, and far more significant, in the scheme of things. Yet Nri achieved all these, without using an army, as other kingdoms and empires did.

Igbos are highly intelligent. Give it to us. Every year WAEC records prove it.
In the U.S Igbos have proved to be the most academically intelligent ethnic group in the US, even outshining Chinese and other immigrant groups.

This helps to shed some light on the Nri achievements in the dark ages. Ife and Benin had no chance. NRI JI OFO. NRI BU ISI IGBO

thesolutions:

The bolded is propagation of falsehood. Afara is in Umuahia. Not in Ohafia.

Is umuahia Israel?

Balogunodua:
SlayerForever


The oldest Igbo Ukwu bronze dated back to 840AD so it does not predates Ijebu Eredo Sungbo stop lying the nok culture is by far the oldest dating back to 200BCE.

You're talking rubbish bro.

OfoIgbo:


Nri people held sway in Igodomigodo. Historical books allude to that. Nri people were also the cultural/religious guardians of Benin empire.
Nri kingdom started perhaps up to a thousand years before the 9th century AD being ascribed to Nri's origin. That date only truly denotes the dating of the Igbo-Ukwu excavations which were attributed to the Nris, through Oraeri, an Nri offshoot. But it has been erroneously passed on, as the period that Nri civilisation started.

Benin people still use the 4 market days instituted by the Nris. They cannot deny that fact, as it is one of the very few cultural elements of Nri, that survives till present day.

I know for sure there's no way the Igbo origin starts at the height of Nri civilization at 9A.D. Various archeological findings disprove this.

OfoIgbo:


Nri predates Ife by possibly more than a thousand years. Ife's achievements is only provable from 12th -14th century AD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If%E1%BA%B9

Tomorrow, you will tell us Ife invented coal-tar.
And the Portuguese that were in Benin in the 1400s claimed that the papal figure to the east of Benin, was the greatest of such figure in the whole vicinity.
Now I know Ife is probably closer to Benin, that any of the core umu Nri towns, yet the Benin people made such a statement to the Portuguese. What this clearly shows is that Nri was far greater than Ife. To put it in another way. Igbos (Nri) are greater than Yorubas (Ife)

He's just jumping around. Nri is way too old to use and compare Ife. I think an Igbo civilization even predating the Nri kingdom was already holding sway probably alongside the Nok to the North. I'd say Ife and her people immigrated much much later.

OfoIgbo

You still haven't prove your claim and stop beating around the bush na you said Nri is more artistic than Ife is this a joke? Ife Olokun head still remains the most realistics bronze head that came out of Africa The Igbo Ukwu art you are talking about can't stand Ife art anyday anytime the Ife arts are been compared to lost Atlantis civilization around not some unknown Igbo Ukwu art bring the academic research that claims Nri predates Ife not wiki kingdom.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/objects/Z1CgMudYJWzpTi-TW1IAA

SlayerForever:


You're talking rubbish bro.

Counter my claim na

Etinosa1234:


True Sha... I'll accept that...

Even me .I can't fluently speak my language...

There are a lot of household speaking Benin but when dey get outside..they prefer to speak Pidgin atimes

Maybe due to the fact that we are a minority and the people coming May not be benin

exactly
I know a boy who grew in Benin, schooled in ekpoma but can't speak benin...

I kukuma teach am Igbo.....i no try....are we not one people again..

Etinosa1234:


Bini speakers are also in Southwest... But they are a minority

So are u confidently saying that Benin are only found in Edo state and no other states in Nigeria or Even in the whole world
Is that what u are saying

the argument is getting stretched.


just accept binis are yorubas...case closed.


haba