MuttleyLaff:
Thank you for reinforcing my point, that JW is not immune to the spirit of paedophilia and that the spirit of paedophilia reigns amongst the rank and file, even leadership of the organisation.[b][/b]

I simply, was letting you know, to thoughtfully meditate before readily jumping on, to start painting a sanctimonious, holier-than-the-rest Jehovah Witnesses picture here because by your very own admission, the JW organisation does fart and it, does smell, because it isn't a deodorised farts nor does it smell, like a bed of roses

MuttleyLaff:
Matthew 12:34, says:
"You brood of vipers! How can you speak good things, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks"

Maximus69, coma see one your "Only Jehovah's Witnesses have the Holy Spirit working in their midst ..." brethren. Smh. His ignorance knows no bounds.


MuttleyLaff:


The word "homosexuality" never got into the original text, whether Aramaic or Greek. The word was invented in the 18 century by a German. Fyi, it is promiscuity of any shape, form and/or guise, that the scripture frowns on.

Sex is created for procreation and pleasure

Do you know the context surrounding how and what 1 Corinthians 6:9 was written and why?


In my heterosexual relationship, sometimes my missus takes on the role of male and vice versa. We just complement each other.

Bros, stop exposing your hypocrisy and misquotation of the holy scriptures


"Muttleylaff Spirit filled" born again wey see nothing wrong in homosexuality is forming sanctimonious over a question arising from his own "spirit filled" revelation .

Tueh !!!!!!

Dtruthspeaker:
Truthfully I can not see past The Laws and that that statement "it is an abomination" just makes it even worse.

Dtruthspeaker:
In my view it is like Adultery is Bad but Homosexuality is Worse based on How God called it "abominable" Twice,

Dtruthspeaker:
I fear the Laws so much so that I do not wish to enquire why a Worse Law is worse!

Dtruthspeaker:
To me it is like going to NEPA Power Station to enquire how and why the Power Station is dangerous while for me I am satisfied with just knowing the road to the Power Station so that I avoid them both.

Janosky:
Nothing like that. Very spurious, sensational claim by Muttleylaff.
Who made the "Touch my anointed pre*eq and do my profits no harm" mantra popular?

The spirit of pedophilia & licentious debauchery is a hydra -headed monster in Christendom.

The nauseous fart of Christendom and the nauseous stench there from is not comparable to anything JWs were accused of.

I challenge you to name any daily newspaper you go open every week wey no get reports of your gods of men ('spirit filled' ,whatever that means ) pedophilia?

Janosky:
Bros, stop exposing your hypocrisy and misquotation of the holy scriptures

"Muttleylaff Spirit filled" born again wey see nothing wrong in homosexuality is forming sanctimonious over a question arising from his own "spirit filled" revelation .

Tueh !!!!!!

elated177:
No one is born a homosexual, bisexual or whatever sexuality apart from the natural, God-approved sexual relationship between a man and woman as sanctioned and sanctified in holy matrimony.

elated177:
Let's say, hypothetically of course, that a particular man or woman came out of his or her mother's womb craving another man's body or woman's body for sexual relationship, it does not change the fact that such craving is unnatural and abominable.

elated177:
Humans are designed by the Maker to have two legs and two hands. Naturally, humans come out of the womb with two legs and two hands. In some abnormal and very rare circumstances, some individuals come out of the womb with three or four legs. Do such cases make having four legs natural in humans?

elated177:
Humans come out of the womb as one individual, two as in twin, three as in triplets, four as in quadruplets, etc. Whatever the number, they all naturally come out one after the other. Each one as a separate individual with his or her physical human attributes and features.-- In some rare and abnormal circumstances, two individuals come out of the womb joined at the head, the stomach, the hip, etc. Does the existence of such an anomaly make it natural?

Co-joined twins recognize the difference between them and other humans. They recognize that simply because they are twin does not mean that they should be co-joined at any part of their part bodies. Other twins are proof to this fact. If they can, they will embrace the means of separating themselves in order to exist separately. The same goes for those with four legs or four hands.

Simply because a man or woman came out of his or her mother's womb, hypothetically, of course, craving sexual relationship with a person of the same sex, does not mean he or she should accept such an anomalous, unnatural and abnormal cravings. Such a man or a woman must realize that what he or she craves is unnatural, abnormal and, unlike in the cases of co-joined twins and four-legged or four-handed individuals, abominable and detestable.

MuttleyLaff:

Adultery is about infidelity, and it happens in heterosexual and homosexual relationships, so why is this particular form of homosexuals mentioned in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 worse, hmm?

You fear only God, and not law(s). God has not given believers the spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind for understanding. You havent understood the law concerning Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, this has made you develop the fear of the unknown

MuttleyLaff:

You fear only God, and not law(s). God has not given believers the spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind for understanding

Dtruthspeaker:
"this particular form of homosexuals" Are there types of homosexuality? It is unknown to me.

I only know homosex to be sex between the male and the male or between the female and the female without variation and they are both Prohibited.

Heterosex is the permissible sex subject to Another Set of Laws.

You shall attempting to amend God's Laws by addition, which you do not have the power to do in violation of the Commandment which provides

"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you"-(The Literal Rule of Interpretation of the Commandments)

Then by the Literal Interpretation of the Commandments, it is clear that sex of any kind that is not between the male and the female Is Expressly Forbidden.

Respectfully, you would be wrongly using Miischief Rule which is already Clearly Prohibited by the The Law Giver in interpreting the clear provisions of the Commandments, to input what is not there.

I also do not think you have averted your mind to another Law covering the same subject matter to wit

1) Consecrate yourselves and be Clean: Ye are a Holy People of A Holy God. The central theme being Holy which Always Means Pure.

And what is the Pure state of the Man According to the Lord God, the Creator of man? The Answer is
2) "He made them male and female" not male and male or female and female, but "male and female made He them".

Thus, nothing can be rightfully deduced from Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, which Clearly, Directly and Expressly Forbids and Prohibits homosexuality without exception.

Dtruthspeaker:
I Do Fear God and Everything That is God's including His Laws!
After these, I fear Nothing!

MuttleyLaff:
Until you do a 2 Timothy 2:15 on Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, all the above that you've typed is unnecessary and irrelevant. You can see how your lack of depth and full knowledge of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 is betraying you to the extent of you being confused.

Let me ask you this. Are there types of heterosexualism, hmm? If your answer is no, then why asking about types of homosexuality then, erhn?

When people start to employ all sorts of accusations, like "... attempting to amend God's Laws" or typing "respectfully, you would be wrongly using Miischief Rule which is already Clearly Prohibited by the The Law Giver in interpreting the clear provisions of the Commandments, to input what is not there" it is because the light of the truth can be harsh to the eyes of them that for so long, have been in the dark.

It is your choice, to wallow in ignorance and not know what and why Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 clearly, directly, expressly forbids and prohibits man lying with man as with a woman. Notice that, unlike you, I had no need nor want, to add or change, what Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 says.

MuttleyLaff:
Will you please stop all these your eisegesis

OK, give me one scripture that explicitly commands that you fear God's law and/or commandment.

Dtruthspeaker:
Good it is settled then that there is only one type of homosexuality which is banned, therefore, is your question why is it Prohibited?

Dtruthspeaker:
Then my answer shall be, it is Prohibited because
1) God, The Law Giver, says it is Prohibited!

Dtruthspeaker:
2) it is a derogation from the Natural Law Established by God from the beginning which is man with woman.

Dtruthspeaker:
3) it is a Departure from the Principles and Tenets of Holiness, Purity and Rightness which the Lord, God Commands.

Dtruthspeaker:
"Man shall live (or die) by every Word (Commandment) which Proceedeth from the Mouth of the Lord, doth man Live (or die) Deuteronomy 8:3

MuttleyLaff:
Has it, out of desperation, now come to you doing this ni, hmm? Do you really have to resort to deceit and proof-texting, erhn?

I'll repeat the question again, so that you dont miss the opportunity to correctly answer it. Give me one scripture that explicitly commands that you FEAR God's law and/or commandment.

Dtruthspeaker:
There is nothing to be agitated about so I am not desperate neither do I deceive you!

Dtruthspeaker:
All My answers from the first is to the effect that When you Fear the Lord, You Must Surely Fear His Word for the Lord is not without His Word and the Word is not without His Lord.

The Lord and His Word are One.

The Fear of the Lord as it is Written is the Fear of the Word of the Lord!

Modified!
On that explicitly commands that you FEAR God's law and/or commandment

Proverbs 20
"A king that sitteth in the throne of judgment scattereth away all evil with his eyes."- Even the Look of the Lord is Fear-Full
(or would you say that the Lord is not king?)

Jeremiah 23:29
Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
(Abi you no dey fear fire or Hammer?)

MuttleyLaff:
Sigh and smh, you still havent got a clue, and this is why you are getting hung up on "... only one type of homosexuality ..."

This is like how HRH Oluwo of Iwo, says to Olori Chanel Chi: "You're part of the enemy" then when she asks "who's the enemy" he replies "them" and when Olori asks "who's them" HRH restates "the enemy," leaving no one any the wiser, of knowing the identity of "the enemy"

I'll give you another opportunity, to now, state clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion, doubt or repeating "it is prohibited", why did God, The Law Giver, says it is prohibited?

You just felt that derogation is a big grammatical word you could use, that even has no correlation or connection to what transpired in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.

Your obstinate problem makes you incapable of properly investigating, probing and examining Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, closely and thoroughly, so that, with the help of the Spirit of Truth aka the Holy Spirit, you by now, could have already rightly divided, the word of God, with sound judgement, as regards what exactly, under the hood or bonnet, is going on, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 and then on top, get to know, for sure, why and how this particular act, behaviour, practice is "abominable" or "it is a detestable sin" or "it is an abomination" or "it is a detestable act" or "that is detestable" or "It is disgusting" or "God hates that" et cetera.

You are just doing a poor attempt of beating around the bush and without exactly telling us what the specific problem is in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.

You havent done your best, you havent studied to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. All what you've been doing is guesstimates and waffling.

MuttleyLaff:
You're deceiving yourself, not me. You are incapable of deceiving me. It is fascinating watching you wriggling all over the place.

Let me reel you back in position. I corrected you that you are only asked to fear God and not fear commands or laws of God, and this you clearly have problems accepting, so I then asked you, to provide bible verse(s) that explicitly commands that you FEAR God's law and/or commandment, but you've woefully failed at presenting any, only resorting to clutching at straws and continued with your proof-texting bible verses exercise.

Dtruthspeaker:
goading and coaxing at one time and being indignant at another will not move me.

I have presented the Laws as Written and I will Never Put What is not there to it or Remove therefrom!

Dtruthspeaker:
I have asked you, who sees, what you see, to present that which you claim to see and you have not done so.

Are you ever going to do so?

Dtruthspeaker:
And I have supplied the Verses that Impliedly Command you to Fear not Only the Lord Himself but His Words Also and His Look too!

MuttleyLaff:
Sigh and smh, you seem to be throwing caution to the wind and allowing your "id" reign over your "ego" and "super-ego"

MuttleyLaff:



Science, because of new discoveries, keeps moving and shifting the goal post,

MuttleyLaff:



but your lack of humility, if not checked, is going to lead you to your Waterloo

MuttleyLaff:


Plastics are unnatural materials. African women straightening their hair is unnatural. Plastic surgery is unnatural. Driving adapted vehicles, steering the hand wheel with the foot, is unnatural, so please we live in a world of many unnatural

MuttleyLaff:





In the beginning was not so, but since after eating the fruit of the TKGE, the Pandora box whole spectrum of what is good, beautiful and dandy, what is bad ugly and trashy was opened to spill out its content, be it natural or unnatural.

MuttleyLaff:



[img]https://s7/images/SiameseTwins.jpg[/img]
You first brought up the issue of hypothetical, well lets speculate with the above fictitious story about the two Siamese twins, Ronnie and Donnie Galyon, who, as of July 4, 2020, aged 68, are now both late and with the reality of Matthew 19:12, that say, some were so born from their mother's womb to have same sex attraction, and imagine if one of the Siamese twins was straight and the other gay
.

MuttleyLaff:
Just admit you are out of your depth Dtruthspeaker

Stop lying, you did put what was not there, you did remove and replace with what wasn't originally there

MuttleyLaff:

I have left the door wide open and ajar, it is up to you with your own very eyes to see whats inside. I have shed light into Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, it is up to you, to strain your eyes so to clearly see. You're a big grown son and moG, I am not going to spoon feed you.

MuttleyLaff:

You have strong strapping arms, use them to lift up the bonnet and dive in to look under Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. Stop forwarding superficial on the surface discoveries

MuttleyLaff:

The bible, in Proverbs 25:2, states that:
"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings" or "It is God’s privilege to conceal things and the king’s privilege to discover them" Roll up your sleeves, pull out your fingers and get to work. "Ise logun ise" loosely translated means "Work or study, cancels out knowledge poverty" You are not, at this point, in a position of getting anything from me, on a platter of gold. As soon as you earn that I privilege, of course, I'll ever oblige you doing so and more

MuttleyLaff:

That is not how it works José. You know that I requested for was, explicit command, and not implicit command, so quit playing games.

You merely are adding to what the bible hasn't explicitly said, trying to make it say what it didnt say, in short you are busy trying so hard to make fetch happen, proof-texting with bible verses.

MuttleyLaff:




I agree with you that, in the beginning, homosexual behaviour has not been the main choice, but ever since we started to live in a fallen world, homosexuality, just as like every other thing, when used correctly, serves an evolutionary purpose. Now the fact remains that what was practised in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is homosexual behaviour misused, abused and confused.

MuttleyLaff:



Now, I am going to share a video here for any to watch so for them to see how something might indeed have "gone right" in the development of homosexuality instead of something "gone wrong"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Khn_z9FPmU

The above video has a passionate talk from Dr. James O'Keefe MD, giving a deeply personal and fascinating insight into why homosexuality is indeed a necessary and extraordinarily useful cog in nature's wheel of perfection.

James H O'Keefe MD, is a Board Certified Cardiologist and Director of both the Charles & Barbara Duboc Cardio Health & Wellness Center and the Preventive Cardiology service at Saint Luke’s Mid America Heart Institute. He is also Professor of Medicine at the University of Missouri-Kansas City. His postgraduate training included a cardiology fellowship at Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota. Dr O’Keefe is board-certified in Cardiology, Internal Medicine, Nuclear Cardiology, and Cardiac CT Imaging. He is consistently ranked among the ‘Top Doctor’ lists regionally and nationally as one of America’s Top Rated Physicians in Cardiology. He has been named as one of USA Today’s Most Influential Doctors. Dr O’Keefe has contributed more than 300 articles to the medical literature and has authored best-selling cardiovascular books for health professionals including: The Complete Guide to ECGs (which is used for Cardiology Board Certification), Dyslipidemia Essentials, and Diabetes Essential.

MuttleyLaff:
You have a false sense of security that your soul is rooted in your Maker, Yahveh of Hosts, who easily can and/or will pull a surprise Matthew 7:23, Luke 13:25 and Luke 13:27 on you, for you not making every effort to enter through the narrow door.

MuttleyLaff:


This is soft work and grace for me, it is not expending so much energy at all. I have in no way defended what is abominable or disagreeable to God. God does not find agape love between two consenting adults as something that's abominable or disagreeable to Him. It is you who because of your shallowness, lack of depth, ignorance, cluelessness and your sheer ineptitude of contextually understanding isolated bible verse, that pathologically and unashamedly is twisting the Scriptures without a genuine legitimate single solitary care in the world

MuttleyLaff:


I had already answered the question. If you hadn't noticed, I am the first to comment on the thread with answers

Dtruthspeaker:
Would you miss an opportunity to Tell the Whole World that I Lie, if I Lie, when I Lie? Never!

Dtruthspeaker:
So, there you have it, there is No Lie!

Dtruthspeaker:
Because there is Nothing there for if there was, you would not wait to disclose it, most especially being the Big Show Off that you are, You would never miss an opportunity to Show Off.

Dtruthspeaker:
And since you failed to show off, there is Nothing to Show Off.

Dtruthspeaker:
I wasn't at war with you, for I am not your Creator, Neither did I make the Laws Prohibiting Homosexuality and nor have I been appointed a judge over a homosexual.

Dtruthspeaker:
I was only simply Presenting my Own Views on Homosexuality to which I simply laid down the Laws Covering the subject (as you requested), Which You failed to shoot down.

Dtruthspeaker:
Rather you were calling on me to assist you and aid you to establish your Non-Existent defence of Homosexuality or (is it defence of a certain type of Homosexuality? I do not care for the answer), attempting to plead with much coaxings and cajolings and prodding so that there might be an exception in the Law Prohibiting Certain Types of Homosexuality, which is also Non-Existent.

Dtruthspeaker:
Thus, you failed in getting me to establish your case for homosexuality.

Dtruthspeaker:
And you failed yet again to so establish it.

Dtruthspeaker:
Therefore, the validity of homosexuality only exists in your own mind, which is of no use to anyone.

Dtruthspeaker:
Because you have Nothing to give.

Dtruthspeaker:
Sorry sweetheart, you demanded for the Lawful Basis of My Belief in The Fear of the Word of the Lord, which could either be Expressly Stated or Impliedly Provided, so long as I am able to show any Written Statement or Commandment to That Effect as Provided in the Bible!

Dtruthspeaker:
Now I expect your guns gonna go blazing!

MuttleyLaff:
I am pleased you aren't making any attempt to refute the paedophilia charge et cetera cover ups within the JW organisation

Look at soot, looking for a kettle or pot to call a companion black

Janosky:
The so called cover up exists in the figment of your imagination, born again spirit filled female role player (whatever that means).

The closet can no longer hide you.

I'm not your "companion" by any figment of your imagination.

Shuooo