| Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by AntiChristian: 1:03pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
By Austin ClineChristians point to Jesus’ resurrection as one of the things which distinguish Christianity from all other religions. After all, the founders of other religions (like Muhammad salallahu 'alayhi wa salam and Buddha) are all dead; Jesus conquered death. Or did he? For something so important and central to the message, theology, and very nature of Christianity, it’s curious that the gospel authors would all have such radically different stories about what happened. Jesus’ First Resurrection Appearance The resurrection of someone dead is an important event, but the Gospels don’t seem to know where and when Jesus first appeared.
Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus appears to Mary Magdalena, but it’s not clear where (in older endings of Mark, he didn’t appear at all) Matthew 28:8-9 - Jesus first appears near his tomb Luke 24:13-15 - Jesus first appears near Emmaus, several miles from Jerusalem John 20:13-14 - Jesus first appears at his tomb Who Sees Jesus First? Mark - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena then later to “the eleven” Matthew - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena, then to the other Mary, and finally to ”the eleven” Luke - Jesus appears first to “two,” then to Simon, then to “the eleven” John - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena, then the disciples without Thomas, then the disciples with Thomas Women’s Reactions to the Empty Tomb The gospels agree that the empty tomb was found by women (though not which women), but what did the women do?
Mark 16:8 - The women were amazed and afraid, so they kept quiet Matthew 28:6-8 - The women ran away “with great joy.” Luke 24:9-12 - The women left the tomb and told the disciples John 20:1-2 - Mary told the disciples that the body had been stolen Jesus’ Behavior After His Resurrection If someone rises from the dead, his actions should be significant, but the gospels don’t agree on how Jesus first behaved
Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus commissions “the eleven” to preach the gospel Matthew 28:9 - Jesus lets Mary Magdalene and another Mary hold his feet John 20:17 - Jesus forbids Mary to touch him because he hasn’t ascended to heaven yet, but a week later he lets Thomas touch him anyway Doubting Jesus’ Resurrection If Jesus rose from the dead, how did his disciples take the news?Mark 16:11, Luke 24:11 - Everyone doubts and is scared or both at first, but eventually they go along with it Matthew 28:16 - Some doubt, but most believe John 20:24-28 - Everyone believes but Thomas, whose doubts are eliminated when he gets physical proof Jesus Ascends to Heaven It wasn’t enough that Jesus rises from the dead; he also had to ascend to heaven. But where, when, and how did this happen?
Mark 16:14-19 - Jesus ascends while he and his disciples are seated at a table in or near Jerusalem Matthew 28:16-20 - Jesus’ ascension isn’t mentioned at all, but Matthew ends at a mountain in Galilee Luke 24:50-51- Jesus ascends outside, after dinner, and at Bethany and on the same day as the resurrection John - Nothing about Jesus’ ascension is mentioned Acts 1:9-12 - Jesus ascends at least 40 days after his resurrection, at Mt. Olivet. https://www.learnreligions.com/jesus-resurrection-and-ascension-contradictions-250145Codetemplar, Sagenaija Strictly Biblical! |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by delkuf(m): 1:14pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
Thank God you could testify that the Lord Jesus Christ appeared. They are different people that gave different account of what they saw. 5 Likes |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by olaric(m): 1:22pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
Now, it's obvious that you are a Muslim from your post. The point is if a Christian should write these falsehoods about your religion, you would start chanting blasphemy. 4 Likes |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by Dtruthspeaker: 1:30pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
AntiChristian:
By Austin Cline
Christians point to Jesus’ resurrection as one of the things which distinguish Christianity from all other religions. After all, the founders of other religions (like Muhammad salallahu 'alayhi wa salam and Buddha) are all dead; Jesus conquered death. Or did he? For something so important and central to the message, theology, and very nature of Christianity, it’s curious that the gospel authors would all have such radically different stories about what happened.
Jesus’ First Resurrection Appearance
The resurrection of someone dead is an important event, but the Gospels don’t seem to know where and when Jesus first appeared.
Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus appears to Mary Magdalena, but it’s not clear where (in older endings of Mark, he didn’t appear at all)
Matthew 28:8-9 - Jesus first appears near his tomb
Luke 24:13-15 - Jesus first appears near Emmaus, several miles from Jerusalem
John 20:13-14 - Jesus first appears at his tomb
Who Sees Jesus First?
Mark - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena then later to “the eleven”
Matthew - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena, then to the other Mary, and finally to ”the eleven”
Luke - Jesus appears first to “two,” then to Simon, then to “the eleven”
John - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena, then the disciples without Thomas, then the disciples with Thomas
Women’s Reactions to the Empty Tomb
The gospels agree that the empty tomb was found by women (though not which women), but what did the women do?
Mark 16:8 - The women were amazed and afraid, so they kept quiet
Matthew 28:6-8 - The women ran away “with great joy.”
Luke 24:9-12 - The women left the tomb and told the disciples
John 20:1-2 - Mary told the disciples that the body had been stolen
Jesus’ Behavior After His Resurrection
If someone rises from the dead, his actions should be significant, but the gospels don’t agree on how Jesus first behaved
Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus commissions “the eleven” to preach the gospel
Matthew 28:9 - Jesus lets Mary Magdalene and another Mary hold his feet
John 20:17 - Jesus forbids Mary to touch him because he hasn’t ascended to heaven yet, but a week later he lets Thomas touch him anyway
Doubting Jesus’ Resurrection
If Jesus rose from the dead, how did his disciples take the news?
Mark 16:11, Luke 24:11 - Everyone doubts and is scared or both at first, but eventually they go along with it
Matthew 28:16 - Some doubt, but most believe
John 20:24-28 - Everyone believes but Thomas, whose doubts are eliminated when he gets physical proof
Jesus Ascends to Heaven
It wasn’t enough that Jesus rises from the dead; he also had to ascend to heaven. But where, when, and how did this happen?
Mark 16:14-19 - Jesus ascends while he and his disciples are seated at a table in or near Jerusalem
Matthew 28:16-20 - Jesus’ ascension isn’t mentioned at all, but Matthew ends at a mountain in Galilee
Luke 24:50-51- Jesus ascends outside, after dinner, and at Bethany and on the same day as the resurrection
John - Nothing about Jesus’ ascension is mentioned
Acts 1:9-12 - Jesus ascends at least 40 days after his resurrection, at Mt. Olivet.
https://www.learnreligions.com/jesus-resurrection-and-ascension-contradictions-250145
Codetemplar, Sagenaija
Strictly Biblical! Surely, this guy is an escapee from Uselu! Otherwise he would have known that the Reports is Transactional, like a Burst of Pictures, reported independently! 3 Likes |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by AntiChristian: 1:49pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
delkuf:
Thank God you could testify that the Lord Jesus Christ appeared. They different people that gave different account of what they saw. Different account means some lied and some are truthful! How can we distinguish? 1 Like |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by AntiChristian: 1:51pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker:
Surely, this guy is an escapee from Uselu! Otherwise he would have known that the Reports is Transactional, like a Burst of Pictures, reported independently!
Should one's salvation be based on Transactional reports, like a Burst of Pictures, reported independently like this?
2 Likes |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by AntiChristian: 1:51pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
olaric:
Now, it's obvious that you are a Muslim from your post. The point is if a Christian should write these falsehoods about your religion, you would start chanting blasphemy. Those people I tagged after the post are doing worse! |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by kingxsamz(m): 1:57pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
Lol, what do you expect from a 2000 year old book that has been edited, re-edited and re-re-re-re-re- edited? And they claim it was inspired by some white bearded sky man. Clowns.  4 Likes |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by Nobody: 2:19pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
AntiChristian:
By Austin Cline
Christians point to Jesus’ resurrection as one of the things which distinguish Christianity from all other religions. After all, the founders of other religions (like Muhammad salallahu 'alayhi wa salam and Buddha) are all dead; Jesus conquered death. Or did he? For something so important and central to the message, theology, and very nature of Christianity, it’s curious that the gospel authors would all have such radically different stories about what happened.
Jesus’ First Resurrection Appearance
The resurrection of someone dead is an important event, but the Gospels don’t seem to know where and when Jesus first appeared.
Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus appears to Mary Magdalena, but it’s not clear where (in older endings of Mark, he didn’t appear at all)
Matthew 28:8-9 - Jesus first appears near his tomb
Luke 24:13-15 - Jesus first appears near Emmaus, several miles from Jerusalem
John 20:13-14 - Jesus first appears at his tomb
Who Sees Jesus First?
Mark - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena then later to “the eleven”
Matthew - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena, then to the other Mary, and finally to ”the eleven”
Luke - Jesus appears first to “two,” then to Simon, then to “the eleven”
John - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena, then the disciples without Thomas, then the disciples with Thomas
Women’s Reactions to the Empty Tomb
The gospels agree that the empty tomb was found by women (though not which women), but what did the women do?
Mark 16:8 - The women were amazed and afraid, so they kept quiet
Matthew 28:6-8 - The women ran away “with great joy.”
Luke 24:9-12 - The women left the tomb and told the disciples
John 20:1-2 - Mary told the disciples that the body had been stolen
Jesus’ Behavior After His Resurrection
If someone rises from the dead, his actions should be significant, but the gospels don’t agree on how Jesus first behaved
Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus commissions “the eleven” to preach the gospel
Matthew 28:9 - Jesus lets Mary Magdalene and another Mary hold his feet
John 20:17 - Jesus forbids Mary to touch him because he hasn’t ascended to heaven yet, but a week later he lets Thomas touch him anyway
Doubting Jesus’ Resurrection
If Jesus rose from the dead, how did his disciples take the news?
Mark 16:11, Luke 24:11 - Everyone doubts and is scared or both at first, but eventually they go along with it
Matthew 28:16 - Some doubt, but most believe
John 20:24-28 - Everyone believes but Thomas, whose doubts are eliminated when he gets physical proof
Jesus Ascends to Heaven
It wasn’t enough that Jesus rises from the dead; he also had to ascend to heaven. But where, when, and how did this happen?
Mark 16:14-19 - Jesus ascends while he and his disciples are seated at a table in or near Jerusalem
Matthew 28:16-20 - Jesus’ ascension isn’t mentioned at all, but Matthew ends at a mountain in Galilee
Luke 24:50-51- Jesus ascends outside, after dinner, and at Bethany and on the same day as the resurrection
John - Nothing about Jesus’ ascension is mentioned
Acts 1:9-12 - Jesus ascends at least 40 days after his resurrection, at Mt. Olivet.
https://www.learnreligions.com/jesus-resurrection-and-ascension-contradictions-250145
Codetemplar, Sagenaija
Strictly Biblical! they are different accounts. This itself gives the bible credibility as an inspired book. 8 Likes |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by AntiChristian: 2:22pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
solite3:
they are different accounts. This itself gives the bible credibility as an inspired book. What? Who is inspired? And should the holy spirit inspire different things to different persons?  It's OK. Just switch off the Mic. As I no get holy Spirit! 1 Like |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by DappaD: 2:46pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
AntiChristian:
By Austin Cline
Christians point to Jesus’ resurrection as one of the things which distinguish Christianity from all other religions. After all, the founders of other religions (like Muhammad salallahu 'alayhi wa salam and Buddha) are all dead; Jesus conquered death. Or did he? For something so important and central to the message, theology, and very nature of Christianity, it’s curious that the gospel authors would all have such radically different stories about what happened.
Jesus’ First Resurrection Appearance
The resurrection of someone dead is an important event, but the Gospels don’t seem to know where and when Jesus first appeared.
Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus appears to Mary Magdalena, but it’s not clear where (in older endings of Mark, he didn’t appear at all)
Matthew 28:8-9 - Jesus first appears near his tomb
Luke 24:13-15 - Jesus first appears near Emmaus, several miles from Jerusalem
John 20:13-14 - Jesus first appears at his tomb
Who Sees Jesus First?
Mark - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena then later to “the eleven”
Matthew - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena, then to the other Mary, and finally to ”the eleven”
Luke - Jesus appears first to “two,” then to Simon, then to “the eleven”
John - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena, then the disciples without Thomas, then the disciples with Thomas
Women’s Reactions to the Empty Tomb
The gospels agree that the empty tomb was found by women (though not which women), but what did the women do?
Mark 16:8 - The women were amazed and afraid, so they kept quiet
Matthew 28:6-8 - The women ran away “with great joy.”
Luke 24:9-12 - The women left the tomb and told the disciples
John 20:1-2 - Mary told the disciples that the body had been stolen
Jesus’ Behavior After His Resurrection
If someone rises from the dead, his actions should be significant, but the gospels don’t agree on how Jesus first behaved
Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus commissions “the eleven” to preach the gospel
Matthew 28:9 - Jesus lets Mary Magdalene and another Mary hold his feet
John 20:17 - Jesus forbids Mary to touch him because he hasn’t ascended to heaven yet, but a week later he lets Thomas touch him anyway
Doubting Jesus’ Resurrection
If Jesus rose from the dead, how did his disciples take the news?
Mark 16:11, Luke 24:11 - Everyone doubts and is scared or both at first, but eventually they go along with it
Matthew 28:16 - Some doubt, but most believe
John 20:24-28 - Everyone believes but Thomas, whose doubts are eliminated when he gets physical proof
Jesus Ascends to Heaven
It wasn’t enough that Jesus rises from the dead; he also had to ascend to heaven. But where, when, and how did this happen?
Mark 16:14-19 - Jesus ascends while he and his disciples are seated at a table in or near Jerusalem
Matthew 28:16-20 - Jesus’ ascension isn’t mentioned at all, but Matthew ends at a mountain in Galilee
Luke 24:50-51- Jesus ascends outside, after dinner, and at Bethany and on the same day as the resurrection
John - Nothing about Jesus’ ascension is mentioned
Acts 1:9-12 - Jesus ascends at least 40 days after his resurrection, at Mt. Olivet.
https://www.learnreligions.com/jesus-resurrection-and-ascension-contradictions-250145
Codetemplar, Sagenaija
Strictly Biblical! Hmm First of, Mark 16:9-20 does not exist in any reliable Bible translation. Secondly, if you know nothing about the chronology of Christ's resurrection and ascension, why not keep shut and get all the details before hammering out your ignorance? I think you're the confused one here. Jesus appeared to a group of women and his disciples okay. But which one is this ‘Jesus first appeared’ phrase you're using? 6 Likes |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by sagenaija: 8:43pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
AntiChristian:
By Austin Cline
Christians point to Jesus’ resurrection as
Codetemplar, Sagenaija
Strictly Biblical! The different Resurrection accounts are not contradictory but rather complementary. Note that 4 different individual's testimonies of the same event are what have been recorded, and therefore you would not expect that the writers would record the same event EXACTLY in the same way. Because a reporter gives his report in a precise form and another in a more detailed form does not mean that they are contradictory just because some detail was omitted by one. Witnesses to an event can complement each other, even when you would not expect them to describe the same incidents in PRECISELY the same way. For example, two men in a car can be stopped a checkpoint with three policemen. One of the policemen approaches the one driving to ask for his papers. Later on in reporting the incident the one driving can say "A policeman asked me for my papers at the checkpoint". The other can say "We were stopped by three policemen at the checkpoint". Will either of them be wrong? You have picked someone else's (an atheist) writing and pasted it here. It would be necessary for you to let us know where actually you have difficulty. Hopefully if we use his position against Islam on you it should be willingly accepted by you. ALL the gospels agree that the grave was empty, therefore the resurrection has taken place. I am sure you're not quarrelling with that. Your problem is on why some details in one narrative are not in another. How that is a contradiction you have not made clear. 4 Likes |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by Nobody: 9:53pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
AntiChristian:
What? Who is inspired? And should the holy spirit inspire different things to different persons?
It's OK. Just switch off the Mic.
As I no get holy Spirit! Mallam I nawuni ..... Allahu Akbar. Alhamdulillah When a man is drunk he sees what's not there...such is it with Christianity |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by Dtruthspeaker: 3:55am On Aug 08, 2020 |
AntiChristian:
Should one's salvation be based on Transactional reports, like a Burst of Pictures, reported independently like this?
If you were in a burning house, would you care how you were saved but the fact that you have been saved and thereafter, with thankfulness (if you are not like the isrealites) you can ask He who saved you how He did it? Whichever way you answer, it is your choosing but I am content to know exactly what He who desires Live, shall do! 1 Like |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by AntiChristian: 9:06am On Aug 08, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker:
If you were in a burning house, would you care how you were saved but the fact that you have been saved and thereafter, with thankfulness (if you are not like the isrealites) you can ask He who saved you how He did it?
Whichever way you answer, it is your choosing but I am content to know exactly what He who desires Live, shall do! What's all this rigmarole? Please if you have nothing tangible to offer in defense of the OP stop my mentions! 1 Like |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by AntiChristian: 10:15am On Aug 08, 2020 |
sagenaija:
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The different Resurrection accounts are not contradictory but rather complementary. It can be contradictory! sagenaija:
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Note that 4 different individual's testimonies of the same event are what have been recorded, and therefore you would not expect that the writers would record the same event EXACTLY in the same way. Yeah I agree. But when the reports are irreconcilable then one of the reporters will be a liar! Can you mention the three people who questioned Peter till he denied Jesus three times from the four Gospels? The contradiction is evident there cos you can't use your synonymous description theory! sagenaija:
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Because a reporter gives his report in a precise form and another in a more detailed form does not mean that they are contradictory just because some detail was omitted by one. Doesn't work all the time! sagenaija:
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Witnesses to an event can complement each other, even when you would not expect them to describe the same incidents in PRECISELY the same way. I agree sometimes... sagenaija:
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For example, two men in a car can be stopped a checkpoint with three policemen. One of the policemen approaches the one driving to ask for his papers. Later on in reporting the incident the one driving can say "A policeman asked me for my papers at the checkpoint". The other can say "We were stopped by three policemen at the checkpoint". Will either of them be wrong? All of them may be right in this case. But if someone gives you three fruits and another says you were given an orange and a Mango! The third said it was two grapes and one water melon! This can't be true! sagenaija:
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You have picked someone else's (an atheist) writing and pasted it here. It would be necessary for you to let us know where actually you have difficulty. Hopefully if we use his position against Islam on you it should be willingly accepted by you. The one's you and your brothers have being throwing on us nko? sagenaija:
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ALL the gospels agree that the grave was empty, therefore the resurrection has taken place.
I am sure you're not quarrelling with that. Anything could have happened! This doesn't confirm anything! We should throw away the contradiction and accept the common happening right? sagenaija:
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Your problem is on why some details in one narrative are not in another. How that is a contradiction you have not made clear. No! My main problem is why does the Holy spirit guide the reporters to deviate from one another! AssignmentIn Mark, Peter is accused of being one of Jesus’s followers by a slave girl, then the same girl again, and then a crowd of people (Mark 14:66–71). In Matthew, it’s a slave girl, another slave girl, and then a crowd of people (Matthew 26:69–73). In Luke, it’s a slave girl, a man, and then another man (Luke 22:54–60). In John, it’s a girl at the door, several anonymous persons, and one of the high priest’s servants (John 18:15–17, 25–27) We can try out a popular Christian tactic and try to resolve contradictory accounts by claiming that they’re both true. For example, there were wise men (Matthew) and shepherds (Luke) at the birth of Jesus, there was one angel (Matthew and Mark) and a second angel (Luke and John) at the empty tomb, and Mary Magdalene (John) and other women (the other gospels) went to the tomb. Allowing for synonymous descriptions (Mark’s slave girl could’ve been John’s girl at the door, for example) and squashing these confrontations together, we have Peter denying Jesus to a slave girl, another slave girl, a crowd, a man, another man, and perhaps more. That’s a lot more than Jesus’s promised three. God's inspired word does not contradict itself! 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by Image123(m): 10:35am On Aug 08, 2020 |
AntiChristian:
By Austin Cline
Christians point to Jesus’ resurrection as one of the things which distinguish Christianity from all other religions. After all, the founders of other religions (like Muhammad salallahu 'alayhi wa salam and Buddha) are all dead; Jesus conquered death. Or did he? For something so important and central to the message, theology, and very nature of Christianity, it’s curious that the gospel authors would all have such radically different stories about what happened . Ehyah, another muslin mourns. Lemme ease you out of your pain and misery a little. Jesus’ First Resurrection Appearance
The resurrection of someone dead is an important event, but the Gospels don’t seem to know where and when Jesus first appeared.
Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus appears to Mary Magdalena, but it’s not clear where (in older endings of Mark, he didn’t appear at all)
Matthew 28:8-9 - Jesus first appears near his tomb
Luke 24:13-15 - Jesus first appears near Emmaus, several miles from Jerusalem
John 20:13-14 - Jesus first appears at his tomb
Mar 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. You quoted a wrong text, are you drunk or you do not verify things before swallowing them hook, line and sinker? Luke did not say anything about Jesus appearing FIRST near Emmaus, you are a cheap liar. The gospels of John and Mark corroborate the fact that Jesus FIRST appeared to Mary Magdalene. You don't have to lie to convince people that the Bible is lying, duh. Who Sees Jesus First?
Mark - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena then later to “the eleven”
Matthew - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena, then to the other Mary, and finally to ”the eleven”
Luke - Jesus appears first to “two,” then to Simon, then to “the eleven”
John - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena, then the disciples without Thomas, then the disciples with Thomas Here you are forgetting to lie that the Bible did not say that Jesus appeared first to Mary. You see kid, you need to lie more to cover up a lie. You seem new to this art. We repented of it long ago, thanks to Jesus. Remember to quote where Luke recorded that Jesus appeared FIRST to two. Everybody has a Bible, only you have what you are smoking so you need to show some more proof. Women’s Reactions to the Empty Tomb
The gospels agree that the empty tomb was found by women (though not which women), but what did the women do?
Mark 16:8 - The women were amazed and afraid, so they kept quiet
Matthew 28:6-8 - The women ran away “with great joy.”
Luke 24:9-12 - The women left the tomb and told the disciples
John 20:1-2 - Mary told the disciples that the body had been stolen Mat 28:8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. No contradiction whatsoever. You deliberately misinformed people about Matthew's account again. Jesus’ Behavior After His Resurrection
If someone rises from the dead, his actions should be significant, but the gospels don’t agree on how Jesus first behaved
Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus commissions “the eleven” to preach the gospel
Matthew 28:9 - Jesus lets Mary Magdalene and another Mary hold his feet
John 20:17 - Jesus forbids Mary to touch him because he hasn’t ascended to heaven yet, but a week later he lets Thomas touch him anyway
Nothing about FIRST mentioned there. They did not say that Jesus FIRST did this or that. He did many things. Jesus had not yet reported/ascended to the Father as at the time He met Mary Magdalene. Do you think He was hanging in space or in the house of the High Priest until the Ascension of Acts 1? Doubting Jesus’ Resurrection
If Jesus rose from the dead, how did his disciples take the news?
Mark 16:11, Luke 24:11 - Everyone doubts and is scared or both at first, but eventually they go along with it
Matthew 28:16 - Some doubt, but most believe
John 20:24-28 - Everyone believes but Thomas, whose doubts are eliminated when he gets physical proof Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. Another wrong text quoted again, but i had to help you out. When they saw Him. WHEN they saw Him. If that does not explain anything to you, no one can help you. Jesus Ascends to Heaven
It wasn’t enough that Jesus rises from the dead; he also had to ascend to heaven. But where, when, and how did this happen?
Mark 16:14-19 - Jesus ascends while he and his disciples are seated at a table in or near Jerusalem
Matthew 28:16-20 - Jesus’ ascension isn’t mentioned at all, but Matthew ends at a mountain in Galilee
Luke 24:50-51- Jesus ascends outside, after dinner, and at Bethany and on the same day as the resurrection
John - Nothing about Jesus’ ascension is mentioned
Acts 1:9-12 - Jesus ascends at least 40 days after his resurrection, at Mt. Olivet.
Codetemplar, Sagenaija
Strictly Biblical! Luke does not say "the same day". There is no way i can help you if you keep lying and trying to mislead. 5 Likes |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by sagenaija: 11:01am On Aug 08, 2020 |
AntiChristian:
It can be contradictory!
Yeah I agree. But when the reports are irreconcilable then one of the reporters will be a liar!
Can you mention the three people who questioned Peter till he denied Jesus three times from the four Gospels?
The contradiction is evident there cos you can't use your synonymous description theory!
Doesn't work all the time!
I agree sometimes...
All of them may be right in this case. But if someone gives you three fruits and another says you were given an orange and a Mango! The third said it was two grapes and one water melon! This can't be true!
The one's you and your brothers have being throwing on us nko?
Anything could have happened! This doesn't confirm anything! We should throw away the contradiction and accept the common happening right?
No! My main problem is why does the Holy spirit guide the reporters to deviate from one another!
Assignment
In Mark, Peter is accused of being one of Jesus’s followers by a slave girl, then the same girl again, and then a crowd of people (Mark 14:66–71).
In Matthew, it’s a slave girl, another slave girl, and then a crowd of people (Matthew 26:69–73).
In Luke, it’s a slave girl, a man, and then another man (Luke 22:54–60).
In John, it’s a girl at the door, several anonymous persons, and one of the high priest’s servants (John 18:15–17, 25–27)
We can try out a popular Christian tactic and try to resolve contradictory accounts by claiming that they’re both true. For example,
there were wise men (Matthew) and shepherds (Luke) at the birth of Jesus, there was one angel (Matthew and Mark) and a second angel (Luke and John) at the empty tomb, and
Mary Magdalene (John) and other women (the other gospels) went to the tomb.
Allowing for synonymous descriptions (Mark’s slave girl could’ve been John’s girl at the door, for example) and squashing these confrontations together, we have Peter denying Jesus to a slave girl, another slave girl, a crowd, a man, another man, and perhaps more. That’s a lot more than Jesus’s promised three.
God's inspired word does not contradict itself!
I hope others can see your problem right here even if you don't. Your intention is not to understand. All you want to do is to throw spanner in the works. We yet to clear the blur in your mind on the resurrection issue and you have suddenly ran to Peter's denial of Christ. Tell us, if you understand, who is giving "an orange and a Mango" and which is the third who "said it was two grapes and one water melon"? Tell us so that we can see the contradiction. But please first check out the meaning of CONTRADICTION. |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by AntiChristian: 11:13am On Aug 08, 2020 |
sagenaija:
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I hope others can see your problem right here even if you don't.
Your intention is not to understand. All you want to do is to throw spanner in the works.
We yet to clear the blur in your mind on the resurrection issue and you have suddenly ran to Peter's denial of Christ.
Tell us, if you understand, who is giving "an orange and a Mango" and which is the third who "said it was two grapes and one water melon"?
Tell us so that we can see the contradiction. But please first check out the meaning of CONTRADICTION. Pick each part and debunk it. It's simple. |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by Dtruthspeaker: 11:17am On Aug 08, 2020 |
AntiChristian:
What's all this rigmarole? Please if you have nothing tangible to offer in defense of the OP stop my mentions! I have already offered the explanation and you got it. The accounts are based on the personal view the writer held at the material time exactly as when witnesses to an accident Never give the same story to that same accident. Their story is always based on their personal preferences on the view of the accident. |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by sagenaija: 11:28am On Aug 08, 2020 |
AntiChristian:
Pick each part and debunk it. It's simple. You're so quick to respond. I guess you didn't even bother to check the meaning of contradiction. You posted the matter. Not me. Who is giving "an orange and a Mango" and which is the third who "said it was two grapes and one water melon"?If you have no direct answer it simply means that you just posted another man's article without even understanding it. You're the one claiming contradictions. Show us how. Instead you're asking for it to be debunked. Have you even bothered to read the posts responding to the claims? You made the above highlighted statement. Show us what you mean, but you can't. Instead you now want to run for cover. |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by Dtruthspeaker: 11:39am On Aug 08, 2020 |
sagenaija:
You're so quick to respond.
I guess you didn't even bother to check the meaning of contradiction.
You posted the matter. Not me.
Who is giving "an orange and a Mango" and which is the third who "said it was two grapes and one water melon"?
If you have no direct answer it simply means that you just posted another man's article without even understanding it.
You're the one claiming contradictions. Show us how. Instead you're asking for it to be debunked. Have you even bothered to read the posts responding to the claims?
You made the above highlighted statement. Show us what you mean, but you can't. Instead you now want to run for cover. I think this guy is living up to his Monika which is to be Antichrist by stirring up what he Imagines are flaws in the Bible. 1 Like |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by AntiChristian: 1:26pm On Aug 08, 2020 |
DappaD:
Hmm
First of, Mark 16:9-20 does not exist in any reliable Bible translation.
Secondly, if you know nothing about the chronology of Christ's resurrection and ascension, why not keep shut and get all the details before hammering out your ignorance?
I think you're the confused one here. Jesus appeared to a group of women and his disciples okay. But which one is this ‘Jesus first appeared’ phrase you're using?
Na you sabi o! Mark 16:9-20 exist in some versions of the Bible. Whether it is reliable or not na you sabi! Can you explain the chronology as it happened? |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by AntiChristian: 1:35pm On Aug 08, 2020 |
sagenaija:
You're so quick to respond.
I guess you didn't even bother to check the meaning of contradiction.
You posted the matter. Not me.
Who is giving "an orange and a Mango" and which is the third who "said it was two grapes and one water melon"?
If you have no direct answer it simply means that you just posted another man's article without even understanding it.
You're the one claiming contradictions. Show us how. Instead you're asking for it to be debunked. Have you even bothered to read the posts responding to the claims?
You made the above highlighted statement. Show us what you mean, but you can't. Instead you now want to run for cover. Have you forgotten how you stopped me from refering you to the Bible in the other thread on Slavery? Don't refer me to any Islamic Books! This thread is wholly Biblical. In Mark, Peter is accused of being one of Jesus’s followers by a slave girl, then the same girl again, and then a crowd of people (Mark 14:66–71). In Matthew,it’s a slave girl, another slave girl, and then a crowd of people (Matthew 26:69–73). In Luke, it’s a slave girl, a man, and then another man (Luke 22:54–60). In John, it’s a girl at the door, several anonymous persons, and one of the high priest’s servants (John 18:15–17, 25–27) We can try out a popular Christian tactic and try to resolve contradictory accounts by claiming that they’re both true. For example, there were wise men (Matthew) and shepherds (Luke) at the birth of Jesus, there was one angel (Matthew and Mark) and a second angel (Luke and John) at the empty tomb, and Mary Magdalene (John) and other women (the other gospels) went to the tomb. Allowing for synonymous descriptions (Mark’s slave girl could’ve been John’s girl at the door, for example) and squashing these confrontations together, we have Peter denying Jesus to a slave girl, another slave girl, a crowd, a man, another man, and perhaps more. That’s a lot more than Jesus’s promised three. God's inspired word does not contradict itself! |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by sagenaija: 2:42pm On Aug 08, 2020 |
AntiChristian:
Have you forgotten how you stopped me from refering you to the Bible in the other thread on Slavery? Don't refer me to any Islamic Books!
This thread is wholly Biblical.
In Mark, Peter is accused of being one of Jesus’s followers by a slave girl, then the same girl again, and then a crowd of people (Mark 14:66–71).
In Matthew,it’s a slave girl, another slave girl, and then a crowd of people (Matthew 26:69–73).
In Luke, it’s a slave girl, a man, and then another man (Luke 22:54–60).
In John, it’s a girl at the door, several anonymous persons, and one of the high priest’s servants (John 18:15–17, 25–27)
We can try out a popular Christian tactic and try to resolve contradictory accounts by claiming that they’re both true. For example,
there were wise men (Matthew) and shepherds (Luke) at the birth of Jesus, there was one angel (Matthew and Mark) and a second angel (Luke and John) at the empty tomb, and
Mary Magdalene (John) and other women (the other gospels) went to the tomb.
Allowing for synonymous descriptions (Mark’s slave girl could’ve been John’s girl at the door, for example) and squashing these confrontations together, we have Peter denying Jesus to a slave girl, another slave girl, a crowd, a man, another man, and perhaps more. That’s a lot more than Jesus’s promised three.
God's inspired word does not contradict itself!
Look at the topic of this thread again and ask yourself if what you wrote there is related in any way to it. What is happening to your brain? Did you drink camel urine? |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by Nobody: 1:25pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
AntiChristian:
What? Who is inspired? And should the holy spirit inspire different things to different persons?
It's OK. Just switch off the Mic.
As I no get holy Spirit! Agreed there are variations here and there, and some things that might have been misrepresented, but you should learn to differentiate between "inspiration" and "dictation" before criticizing. Its basic english, you do not need a special annointing to understand that. A work done by inspiration may not give every exact detail but focuses on the most important aspects, on the contrary one given by dictation should be precise and exact...can we now examine your "glorious" quran given by "dictation"  |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by Originakalokalo(m): 5:13pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
AntiChristian:
By Austin Cline
Christians point to Jesus’ resurrection as one of the things which distinguish Christianity from all other religions. After all, the founders of other religions (like Muhammad salallahu 'alayhi wa salam and Buddha) are all dead; Jesus conquered death. Or did he? For something so important and central to the message, theology, and very nature of Christianity, it’s curious that the gospel authors would all have such radically different stories about what happened.
Jesus’ First Resurrection Appearance
The resurrection of someone dead is an important event, but the Gospels don’t seem to know where and when Jesus first appeared.
Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus appears to Mary Magdalena, but it’s not clear where (in older endings of Mark, he didn’t appear at all)
Matthew 28:8-9 - Jesus first appears near his tomb
Luke 24:13-15 - Jesus first appears near Emmaus, several miles from Jerusalem
John 20:13-14 - Jesus first appears at his tomb
Who Sees Jesus First?
Mark - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena then later to “the eleven”
Matthew - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena, then to the other Mary, and finally to ”the eleven”
Luke - Jesus appears first to “two,” then to Simon, then to “the eleven”
John - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena, then the disciples without Thomas, then the disciples with Thomas
Women’s Reactions to the Empty Tomb
The gospels agree that the empty tomb was found by women (though not which women), but what did the women do?
Mark 16:8 - The women were amazed and afraid, so they kept quiet
Matthew 28:6-8 - The women ran away “with great joy.”
Luke 24:9-12 - The women left the tomb and told the disciples
John 20:1-2 - Mary told the disciples that the body had been stolen
Jesus’ Behavior After His Resurrection
If someone rises from the dead, his actions should be significant, but the gospels don’t agree on how Jesus first behaved
Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus commissions “the eleven” to preach the gospel
Matthew 28:9 - Jesus lets Mary Magdalene and another Mary hold his feet
John 20:17 - Jesus forbids Mary to touch him because he hasn’t ascended to heaven yet, but a week later he lets Thomas touch him anyway
Doubting Jesus’ Resurrection
If Jesus rose from the dead, how did his disciples take the news?
Mark 16:11, Luke 24:11 - Everyone doubts and is scared or both at first, but eventually they go along with it
Matthew 28:16 - Some doubt, but most believe
John 20:24-28 - Everyone believes but Thomas, whose doubts are eliminated when he gets physical proof
Jesus Ascends to Heaven
It wasn’t enough that Jesus rises from the dead; he also had to ascend to heaven. But where, when, and how did this happen?
Mark 16:14-19 - Jesus ascends while he and his disciples are seated at a table in or near Jerusalem
Matthew 28:16-20 - Jesus’ ascension isn’t mentioned at all, but Matthew ends at a mountain in Galilee
Luke 24:50-51- Jesus ascends outside, after dinner, and at Bethany and on the same day as the resurrection
John - Nothing about Jesus’ ascension is mentioned
Acts 1:9-12 - Jesus ascends at least 40 days after his resurrection, at Mt. Olivet.
https://www.learnreligions.com/jesus-resurrection-and-ascension-contradictions-250145
Codetemplar, Sagenaija
Strictly Biblical! From all you wrote, I can give three conclusions... 1. All the books agreed that Jesus died. 2. All the books agreed that he ressurected. 3. All the books agreed that Jesus ascended to heaven. 4. ...and lastly,all the books agreed that he is the son of the most high God. These four points are the anchor on which a Christian belief is hinged. All the books were written by different people after Jesus had ascended to heaven. Jesus said that if you don't believe in him, you will die in your sins. Do you believe in Jesus? 1 Like |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by ANTIlSLAM(m): 6:32pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
AntiChristian You call it contradiction? Is allah contradicting himself for saying Jesus Christ is Alive and coming back again? Answer these questions |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by DappaD: 9:10pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
AntiChristian:
Na you sabi o! Mark 16:9-20 exist in some versions of the Bible. Whether it is reliable or not na you sabi!
Can you explain the chronology as it happened? And why would I do that when your sole aim is to ridicule? |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by XXXXTENTACION: 9:35pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
AntiChristian:
What's all this rigmarole? Please if you have nothing tangible to offer in defense of the OP stop my mentions! The bible is not a credible source of information. It was written thousands of years ago by a dozen authors some books were even removed from the bible while some were lost to history. lets call a spade a spade its literally imposible for a human being to die and ressurect again. i believe those are just stories meant to fuel christian beliefs 1 Like |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by advocatejare(m): 8:55am On Aug 11, 2020 |
AntiChristian:
God's inspired word does not contradict itself!
I like this question. Now come and answer yourself Does Allah forgive everything?Yes: Say: “O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. – Quran 39:53 No: Allah forgiveth not (The sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this: one who joins other gods with Allah, Hath strayed far, far away (from the right) – Quran 4:116 Did Noah's son survive the great flood?Yes: (Remember) Noah, when he cried (to Us) aforetime: We listened to his (prayer) and delivered him and his family from great distress. Quran 21:76 Yes And We made his offspring the survivors.Quran 37:77 No The son replied: "I will betake myself to some mountain: it will save me from the water." Noah said: "This day nothing can save, from the command of Allah, any but those on whom He hath mercy! "And the waves came between them, and the son was among those overwhelmed in the Flood.Quran 11:43 Was Allah confused about history and events of time? Yes. But how could Allah have made such a blunder if he was the All-Knowing?[/b
"The Lord of Moses and Aaron.” Said Pharaoh, “You believed in him before I gave you permission. Indeed, this is a conspiracy which you conspired in the city to expel therefrom its people. But you are going to know. I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides; [b]then I will surely crucify you all.” – Quran 7:122-124. Crucifixion came into existence in 400 BC, and the Pharaoh of Moses lived in 1447 BC, which is a difference of roughly 1000 years.But the dullard authors of the Quran mixed everything up. If Allah is actually the author, then Allah doesn't know history Does evil come from Allah?Yes: .... If some good befalls them, they say "This is from Allah". But if evil, they say "This is from thee" (O prophet). Say: "All things are from Allah.... Quran 4:78 No: Whatever good, (O man!) happens to thee, is from Allah. But whatever evil happens to thee, is from thyself. But what has come to these people. That they fail to understand a single fact Quran 4:79 2 Likes |
| Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by advocatejare(m): 9:06am On Aug 11, 2020 |
Antichristian still on the matter.
Does Allah speak directly with people?
No:
It is not fitting for a man that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration, or from behind a veil,
Quran 42:51
Yes, to Moses:
"Of some messengers We have already told thee the story; of others We have not;- and to Moses Allah spoke direct"
Quran 4:164
How long is Allah's day?
One thousand years:
"Yet they ask thee to hasten on the Punishment! But Allah will not fail in His Promise. Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning."
Quran 22:47
Fifty thousand years:
"The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years:"
Quran 70:4 |
