Chapter 1 part 2 section 8-2

An Act of the National Assembly for the purpose of boundary adjustment of any existing State shall only be passed if- 

(a) a request for the boundary adjustment, supported by two-thirds majority of members (representing the area demanding and the area affected by the boundary adjustment) in each of the following, namely- 

(i) the Senate and the House of Representatives, 

(ii) the House of Assembly in respect of the area, and 

(iii) the local government councils in respect of the area. is received by the National Assembly; and 

(b) a proposal for the boundary adjustment is approved by - 

(i) a simple majority of members of each House of the National Assembly, and 

(ii) a simple majority of members of the House of Assembly in respect of the area concerned

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River Niger has naturally divided this country.

Nothing Like South South and North central
Should be South East and South West.
And North East and North West.

Anyone that believes the state boundries are unfair should follow this process. The limiting factor is the state losing land population. It's easy to blame Gowon but the fact is nobody taken advantage of this opportunity for the past 2 decades.

Even more important than making such adjustments would be to remove the current incentives that strongly the creation of ever more states. If it were made a condition of statehood to meet a reasonable minimum viability threshold based on IGR (e.g. turning federal allocations into 1-to-1 matching grants), most of the currently existing states would be out of business in no time, and all the clamor for more states would stop immediately. This would also have the huge benefit of forcing Nigerians to pay much closer attention to how their state governments spend their revenues, since now it would be largely their own taxes on the line instead of "free manna" coming from Abuja.

Of course all of this would never happen, since it would mean the end of virtually every state in the former Northern Region. Even after 60 years of independence, the region is as far from being internally sustainable as it was when persistent fiscal deficits forced Lugard to merge it with Southern Nigeria.

Sammy07:
River Niger has naturally divided this country.

Nothing Like South South and North central
Should be South East and South West.
And North East and North West.

And if the area calling itself "South South" doesn't want to be part of your "natural" South East nko? Na by force?

omohayek:
Even more important than making such adjustments would be to remove the current incentives that strongly the creation of ever more states. If it were made a condition of statehood to meet a reasonable minimum viability threshold based on IGR (e.g. turning federal allocations into 1-to-1 matching grants), most of the currently existing states would be out of business in no time, and all the clamor for more states would stop immediately. This would also have the huge benefit of forcing Nigerians to pay much closer attention to how their state governments spend their revenues, since now it would be largely their own taxes on the line instead of "free manna" coming from Abuja.

Of course all of this would never happen, since it would mean the end of virtually every state in the former Northern Region. Even after 60 years of independence, the region is as far from being internally sustainable as it was when persistent fiscal deficits forced Lugard to merge it with Southern Nigeria.

Well there's not going to be any new states for two reasons being electoral politics and revenue sharing. The requirements for new state creation require alot consensus. Bedides it would probably come up in any debate about adding a new state.

Blue3k:

Well there's not going to be any new states for two reasons being electoral politics and revenue sharing. The requirements for new state creation require alot consensus. Bedides it would probably come up in any debate about adding a new state.

As elegant as this line of reasoning is, it flies in the face of the reality that Nigeria has gone from 12 states under Gowon, to 19 states under Murtala, to first 21 and then 30 under Babangida, and then to 36 under Abacha. It's true that all of these new states were created under military rulers, but even with the limits on accountability during military rule, the resistance against sharing revenue with new states would still have been a factor, and yet they were created all the same. It's not as if civilian rule has been that much less autocratic and dictatorial since 1999, or we wouldn't still be seeing the arbitrary jailings we've witnessed over the last few years under Buhari.

1 spot Im interested in as a thought experiment is southern Kaduna. They seem to be mostly Christian and culturally different from the rest of the state. They could opt to join another state thst shares their ethno religious demography. Assuming they did I dont know if it help reduce crime though.

omohayek:

And if the area calling itself "South South" doesn't want to be part of your "natural" South East nko? Na by force?

and your brain told you he is from south east...some people are very daft...

Fantasticcc:
I am very daft...

Sorry about your mental handicap.

omohayek:

Sorry about my mental handicap.

is a normal thing in your region

Fantasticcc:
I am a deranged tribalist

FTFY.

It's pretty interesting how people make a huge fuss online make a big fuss about state boundries. A good example is Ondo taking Ijaw oil but you never hear said people complain. Igbo land carved out into ss states but they not trying to reunite. I think the reason for both is they're satisfied with government they live under.

“ To ensure fairness and uphold human rights for minority nationalities who have been separated by artificial boundaries from their kith and kin , a referendum shall be conducted .
“ This will enable such nationalities to choose which local government area , state and region to join as long as their present location is contiguous to the LGA , state or region they want to join .
“ The Okun people of Kogi State reaffirm their Yoruba origin. It is incontrovertible that their culture and values are the same as those of Yoruba in the South-West of Nigeria with whom we share territorial contiguity and economic relations.
“ We therefore, put forward as our core demand, the readjustment or relocation of Okun people ’s political and land boundary from the North- Central zone to the South -West .

“ In joining the South-West , we demand that Okunland be incorporated as a state (Okun State) , since we have all it takes to be a viable one. ’’

It's seems we might have a serious candidate to put this process to the test. If Ekiti and Ondo are smart they should capitalize on this opportunity. The group probably wont get a state but joining one the two doable in my opinion.

Blue3k:
It's pretty interesting how people make a huge fuss online make a big fuss about state boundries. A good example is Ondo taking Ijaw oil but you never hear said people complain. Igbo land carved out into ss states but they not trying to reunite. I think the reason for both is they're satisfied with government they live under.

Point of correction, the oil in Ondo state belongs to the Ilaje people who are Yorubas.

I think the recent developments will be interesting. We'll see alot ethnic groups reunify if they're secessfull. The only issue is mlst of these groups are disorganized and dont read constitution. The only big issue will be the states debts being reorganized. They state that annexs the other will naturally take on their debt.

myobjective:


Point of correction, the oil in Ondo state belongs to the Ilaje people who are Yorubas.

I repeated what people say. In reality all land and mineral resources belong to government which why nigerian dont get royalty checks despit being the "owners". If people understood this they would anend constitution to correct this.

Notwithstanding the foregoing provisions of this section, the entire property in and control of all minerals, mineral oils and natural gas in under or upon any land in Nigeria or in, under or upon the territorial waters and the Exclusive Economic Zone of Nigeria shall vest in the Government of the Federation and shall be managed in such manner as may be prescribed by the National Assembly

Compare and contrast USA and Nigeria. US countries in Oregon are voting to decide to join Idaho. The process seems to pretty similar to Nigeria.

This is enlightening

Obigbo for example has no business in Rivers State

megacity:
This is enlightening

Obigbo for example has no business in Rivers State

I'd like to see this process playout at some point. They should clamour to join another state instead of trying to create a new state. The latter is more difficult since it requires more consensus approve. Nass will not care since the politicking only changes slightly compared to America where house seats are apportioned by population.

I predict after the first sucessful attempt at this we probably would see more ethno majority states forms based on culture, religion and partisan politics later. It will make governors more interested in developing areas overall knowing certain tax cows will choose different place to be yoked.

Blue3k:


I'd like to see this process playout at some point. They should clamour to join another state instead of trying to create a new state. The latter is more difficult since it requires more consensus approve. Nass will not care since the politicking only changes slightly compared to America where house seats are apportioned by population.

I predict after the first sucessful attempt at this we probably would see more ethno majority states forms based on culture, religion and partisan politics later. It will make governors more interested in developing areas overall knowing certain tax cows will choose different place to be yoked.

It may be too late to redraw any map at this point. We may have to redraw the nation and grant ethnic nationalities their independence. Nigeria is going nowhere has it's currently structured.

myobjective:


It may be too late to redraw any map at this point. We may have to redraw the nation and grant ethnic nationalities their independence. Nigeria is going nowhere has it's currently structured.

Why is too it too late? I haven't seen anyone try the procress before. If you want secession do your thing.

Its been like 6 months since Okun people have made their noise and we've seen no big developments. In that time we've seen Yoruba speaking people of Kwara wanting to rejoin the Southwest. I never see stories about them petitioning state and local governments just Federal. The national assembly should refer them to this section to the constitution when they come complaining. If they followed all the steps they Government has no option of saying no legally.

People of Kwara South senatorial district, through the Kwara South Consultative Forum (KSCF), has submitted a memorandum to the ninth National Assembly’s Committee on Review of the Nigerian Constitution. The people are demanding for the merging of the Yoruba of Kwara and Kogi states with their kith and kin in the southwest region through boundary adjustment. Read more: https://www.legit.ng/1369519-kwara-state-yoruba-demands-merger-southwest-region.html

The forum’s national president, Sir Joseph Adeniyi Aderibigbe lamented that the Yoruba of Kwara south occupying seven out of the 16 local government areas in the state and their counterparts in Kogi state was not given any way to determine where they wanted to be and who they wanted to live with. Read more: https://www.legit.ng/1369519-kwara-state-yoruba-demands-merger-southwest-region.html

The communique reads, “The conditions that led to the demand for the creation of a separate region for ethnic nationalities within the Middle Belt Region at the Willinks Commission in 1948 are still with us,

Again if they were smart they would carve out places like South Kaduna then merge other existing states. Then their aim is pretty funny when you consider the minorities already in the majority in the north central. Alot of the issues they experience are just a result of failed policies.

gidgiddy:

They took Obigbo out of Imo state in 1976, put it in Rivers state, and renamed it one stupid name called "Oyigbo"

Lol when does Oyigbo plan on splitting from Rivers.

omohayek:

As elegant as this line of reasoning is, it flies in the face of the reality that Nigeria has gone from 12 states under Gowon, to 19 states under Murtala, to first 21 and then 30 under Babangida, and then to 36 under Abacha. It's true that all of these new states were created under military rulers, but even with the limits on accountability during military rule, the resistance against sharing revenue with new states would still have been a factor, and yet they were created all the same. It's not as if civilian rule has been that much less autocratic and dictatorial since 1999, or we wouldn't still be seeing the arbitrary jailings we've witnessed over the last few years under Buhari.

It seems we might who's correct on this issue with Southern Kaduna being the first case study.

Seems this thread is more pertinent now. Unproductive states have a way out by simply merging with better run states. Merging does entail you take on more responsibilities like the states debt.

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Blue3k:
Seems this thread is more pertinent now. Unproductive states have a way out by simply merging with better run states. Merging does entail you take on more responsibilities like the states debt.

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Which effectively run state will like to take the liability from poorly run state? If they do will their own share of monthly allocations from the LGA/ state they're coming from be added to that of their new state? If no where would they get the extra resources to cater for the new comers from? What about political considerations will the number of the lga, hor/ senatorial zones and ministerial slot of the receiving state be increase? Will the quoter of employment into federal civil service of the incoming people be added to that receiving state? They are so many consideration to make before that could happen.

fregeneh:


Which effectively run state will like to take the liability from poorly run state? If they do will their own share of monthly allocations from the LGA/ state they're coming from be added to that of their new state? If no where would they get the extra resources to cater for the new comers from? What about political considerations will the number of the lga, hor/ senatorial zones and ministerial slot of the receiving state be increase? Will the quoter of employment into federal civil service of the incoming people be added to that receiving state? They are so many consideration to make before that could happen.

A state will annex a state if they feel they can administer better because you take on the liability but you also gain bigger tax base and potential resources. They should already have infrastructure in place to take advantage of these potentials or at least have a plan in mind. Also I believe state mergers will happen on based on ethnicity, culture, religion and partisan politics later.

Yes the state will gain more allocation because allocation is partly based on multiple factors such as land mass and population.

The political considerations goes as follows, the state in question gains more house seats and lgas. Each state is limited to two senators. It doesn't effect the much unless the states completely merged.

The quota should of federal employment would be added Naturally. I assume it's based on proportion already. It would be opposite if a new state was created the pie splits instead logically.

Ps: All interesting questions. Hopefully the answers were sufficient.

Blue3k:
Compare and contrast USA and Nigeria. US countries in Oregon are voting to decide to join Idaho. The process seems to pretty similar to Nigeria.

Recent news going on in Oregon shows its still picking up traction with 8th county deciding to join Idaho. It's going to make uts way to the ballot and we'll see if it actually passes. It's unknown if Idaho wants them or if Oregon is will to part with these rural Republican counties. The petitioners pretty much want all of east Oregon to join Idaho.

In Nigeria this process would test the resolve of people who really care about secession or even state creation. Lol it's always supported somewhere else not when the people want their political divorce from you. Getting local government on board should be easy, then they'll invite state reps and federal ones will join in when enough noise is made.


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Lol you can even find an Example of this going on Maryland. 3 of their countries want to join West Virginia. Lol West Virginia is more than happy to annex them if Maryland except their request.