CAMA is here to stay,no one can do anything about it

Is This Man Not The Founder Of YEWA CENTRAL COLLEGE OF EDUCATION, Prof. Bamgbose

Can we all see how Magu was able to HIDE OVER 600 M in a PASTOR'S ACCOUNT....No accountability whatsoever! Mind you , I am a very hard core Christian but I am tired of How these Clerics use sentiments to protect their stealing for years while Dumb populace always talk that " touch not my anointed" stuff.

Well, the Christian Leaders like Oyedepo were too busy when the NASS was passingthe Law.
The Christians in the NASS were alos too busy chasing Contracts and Constituency allowance, to bother about those things.

But the real issue that should concern Nigerians is not the Regulation of Churches or any Religious Organisation, not minding the bias of this current Buhari regime against Christians, as we see in his appointments, the Terrorists Fulani Hedsmen issue and the Southern Kaduna Crisis...

The problem, which no one should accept is the Clause in that CAMA which states that a Minister appointed by the President, can just UNILATERALLY REMOVE the Trustees of a Religious Body, based on a Petition from anybody..WITHOUT RECOURSE TO A COURT OF LAW and replace the Trustees with one chosen by the Minister!

This is just a dictatorship, abuse of Power in the making.
No one individual should be able to wield such Powers, without a Court Order.

The CAMA needs to be amended to read that if there is a Petition against a Religious body, the matter should be taken to Court and let a Judge rule on whether that Church or Religious body's Trustee needs to be suspended and/or replaced with an independent one.
Giving such Power too the whims and Caprice of a Minister (Most of whom are Muslims), will not augur well for the Christian faith.
Imagine giving one of these Jihadists Ministers in Buhari's Govt, the Power to remove G.O's like Bakara, Oyedepo, Adeboye and replace them with anyone of their choosing?

It will be used as another excuse to detroy and break-up Churches, that is why it is the Churches that are raking while the Mosques seem unperturbed.

zangaozanga:
CAMA is here to stay,no one can do anything about it

Illiterate, CAMA has always been around since God knows when, it is the new amaendment introduced that people are worried over.

Illiterate, he didn't say it has not been around

One4me:


Illiterate, CAMA has always been around since God knows when, it is the new amaendment introduced that people are worried over.

KfashionHubb:
The cama is to checkmate the activities of thieveing pastors and their fraudulent spiritual cartels and mafia.

I am a Christian and I support CAMA

Are you aware of the new amendment CLAUSE in the CAMA that says that a Minister can remove the Trustee of a Church (for example) and replace it with anyone he choses, based on a pettition from someone,all by himself (the Minister)?
Would you want a Christian Minister to wield such Power over your Mosque or would you want an Islamic Minister to wield such Power over your church, without a fair hearing in a Court of law?

Always READ something and be sure you UNDERSTAND it properly, before you jump into support.
Most of you supporting this new amandments in the CAMA, have not read nor actually understand what it is saying, apart from the financial reporting aspect of it

Passing bulk Bamgbose, where were you when it was getting cooked. U r liable too. But it is for Buhari& APC to shoot itself in the legs... They are gone for this.

FatherOfJesus:
Illiterate, he didn't say it has not been around

You are another illiterate with comprehension problems!

When he said "Here to stay", l am sure you cant decipher that he is thinking the Christian agitators are asking for the repeal of CAMA as a whole, hence his "Here to Stay" Comment.
That is why l explained to him that it is just a particular clause in the CAMA that the Christian/Religious leaders are against...and rightly so.

Honestly, l wish Nigerian Yoots in general, will develop the capacity to address issues intellectully, that jumping to write foolish comments.

CAN and some of its members should get sound legal counsel and interpretation of CAMA 2020.

The phrase "here to stay" doesn't give the information to whether it has been around for a while or not. The purpose of the phrase suggests that something will last long irrespective of whether it recently came or not.

It's hard to be ignorant and proud like you. That's a decent product of a defunct Nigerian educational system

One4me:


You are another illiterate with comprehension problems!

When he said "Here to stay", l am sure you cant decipher that he is thinking the Christian agitators are asking for the repeal of CAMA as a whole, hence his "Here to Stay" Comment.
That is why l explained to him that it is just a particular clause in the CAMA that the Christian/Religious leaders are against...and rightly so.

Honestly, l wish Nigerian Yoots in general, will develop the capacity to address issues intellectully, that jumping to write foolish comments.

ethicallyright:
Former CAN PRESIDENT, Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor was caught in South Africa with almost 10 million dollars in his private Jet not up to a decade ago. Though he claimed the money was meant for the purchase of arms for the Nigerian State, it is enough evidence that millions of dollars which are unrelated to the duties of churches and mosques ,as stipulated in their articles of assoiciation and constitutions, are dumped with these religious leaders for businesses they would have no duty with in an organized country.

Let's leave the issue of Churches since there are evidence of their money laundering schemes for public officials. The United States of America which leads the global fight against terrorism have opined that for a successful resistance against Islamic extremism and terrorism to be achieved, regimes in every continent of this planet must monitor finances and prevent terrorism sponsorship. To fight a monster, it is pertinent to target its head not tail. When there are no funds to propagate the terrorist ideology to the most rural enclaves or pay fighters to cause havoc, the enemies of this country will be subdued.

The board of the Corporate Affairs Commission are well represented both on tribal and religious lines. This law does not in anyway specify churches. It literally states "NGOs and Religious bodies."

This means if IRAN sends funds to Shite Muslims in Nigeria for any purpose but officially says it is for building of Mosques , roads construction or building of a world class hospital, the Government of Nigeria will ensure that the funds are used for those purposes and no money is channeled for arms purchase. If SAUDI ARABIA sends funds to an Islamic Humanitarian Organization in Yobe or Zamfara, this bill will give the Corporate Affairs Commission authority to demand annual bank statements of these Organizations and trace the expenditure of their funds.

Remember, it's a legislation and will remain same even when a Christian PRESIDENT is elected. Similar legislations have been enacted in most developed nations. Only those who negate the concept of accountability will be irritated by this relevant amendment.

so much sense in this..

Kizito Iwuoha wrote.

For those of you who don't know what CAMA means, in concise terms this is what it entails �
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When you register your business or organization as a charity or NGO, it means that whatever funds that comes in and goes is for the public and NOT for your personal use. You are accountable to the public. In exchange the government exempts you from paying tax. That is how it works
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Also, the government has the power to monitor and regulate such tax exempt organisations to make sure that the funds raised are for the public as stipulated and not misappropriated or diverted for personal use.
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This is how it works globally, including the UK, US etc.
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Religious organizations and their businesses worldwide also register as charities and NGOs and that is why no church, mosque etc or any of their establishments pays tax.
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Now it is the duty of the government to regulate these bodies who don't pay tax by making sure that the funds they generate rightly goes back to the public and not for personal gain.
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This is the reason why CAMA was created
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Now the question is why are only the Pentecostal pastors shouting? Why is the Catholic Church not complaining? Why are the rest Orthodox and Presbyterian churches not complaining? Because I don't get it, these same pastors shouting here all have branches abroad and they dutifully obey the laws there like lambs but when they come to Nigeria they want to be lawless.
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These same pastors rejecting CAMA now have all been involved in fraud due to misappropriation of funds in the UK.
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Ashimolowo was sanctioned by the UK government over fraud. CAMA was what gave him out!
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Oyedepo is banned from entering the UK because of fraud and diversion of church funds. CAMA was what gave him out!
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Pastor Chris Oyakhilome also...
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These people know that once you implement CAMA here as is obtainable in the UK and the rest, they are finished and that's why they are fighting and kicking. This is why rather than fight the law through the right channels using legal means, they employed the best way they know how– religious sentiments! It works on their members like charm! They claim it's an attack against the church as if the lawmakers who signed the bill into law after the 1st, 2nd and 3rd reading are all pagans. Nonsense
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Well, I've got news for these folks and their compatriots... CAMA is here to stay and asides wailing your lungs out, there's absolutely nothing you can do. If you don't like it go and create your own country! �

sonnie10:
This new CAMA rule is what Yorubas call Oju kokoro and also known as Anya Ukwu in Igbo. When Christians in Nigeria were busy building mega churches with affiliate schools and hospitals, the Muslims were busy squandering their own money in eating rams and cattle and marrying wives.. At most, they were sponsoring their foot soldiers in the North East.
Now they are waking up to reap where they did not sow. Imagine making a law that would allow one ambitionless Imam or Alhaji to take over the board of trusty of a church, another man's sweat. What else is Islamization if I may ask?
This law is totally wrong and has very glaring hidden agenda.
God will never allow the gate of hell to prevail over his church.

Despite all the explanations, even above you, you still decided to be ignorant. What brought insult on imams and Alhaji in this? Is the law only for Christians?
BE REASONABLE PLEASE

ethicallyright:
Former CAN PRESIDENT, Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor was caught in South Africa with almost 10 million dollars in his private Jet not up to a decade ago. Though he claimed the money was meant for the purchase of arms for the Nigerian State, it is enough evidence that millions of dollars which are unrelated to the duties of churches and mosques ,as stipulated in their articles of assoiciation and constitutions, are dumped with these religious leaders for businesses they would have no duty with in an organized country.

Let's leave the issue of Churches since there are evidence of their money laundering schemes for public officials. The United States of America which leads the global fight against terrorism have opined that for a successful resistance against Islamic extremism and terrorism to be achieved, regimes in every continent of this planet must monitor finances and prevent terrorism sponsorship. To fight a monster, it is pertinent to target its head not tail. When there are no funds to propagate the terrorist ideology to the most rural enclaves or pay fighters to cause havoc, the enemies of this country will be subdued.

The board of the Corporate Affairs Commission are well represented both on tribal and religious lines. This law does not in anyway specify churches. It literally states "NGOs and Religious bodies."

This means if IRAN sends funds to Shite Muslims in Nigeria for any purpose but officially says it is for building of Mosques , roads construction or building of a world class hospital, the Government of Nigeria will ensure that the funds are used for those purposes and no money is channeled for arms purchase. If SAUDI ARABIA sends funds to an Islamic Humanitarian Organization in Yobe or Zamfara, this bill will give the Corporate Affairs Commission authority to demand annual bank statements of these Organizations and trace the expenditure of their funds.

Remember, it's a legislation and will remain same even when a Christian PRESIDENT is elected. Similar legislations have been enacted in most developed nations. Only those who negate the concept of accountability will be irritated by this relevant amendment.

Very well said, ethicallyright; your head is correct.

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Besides the muslim agenda, I dont see anything wrong if they will subject themselves to auditing and probity in the UK and US, why not the same in Nigeria?

Besides the muslim agenda, I dont see anything wrong. If they will subject themselves to auditing and probity in the UK and US, why not the same in Nigeria?

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ThatFairGuy:

Despite all the explanations, even above you, you still decided to be ignorant. What brought insult on imams and Alhaji in this? Is the law only for Christians?
BE REASONABLE PLEASE

Go reason and reflect. As far as Nigeria is concerned, Muslims has nothing of value that any Christian would want to take in terms of physical assets. You guys just want to control everything, even churches. Tomorrow, one Mallam from Borno would be made the Chairman Board of Trusty of Winners Chapel. God forbid!

There are other anti fraud policies and NGO regulations in CAMA that could be implemented or rectified.

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sonnie10:


Go reason and reflect. As far as Nigeria is concerned, Muslims has nothing of value that any Christian would want to take in terms of physical assets. You guys just want to control everything, even churches. Tomorrow, one Mallam from Borno would be made the Chairman Board of Trusty of Winners Chapel. God forbid!

There are other anti fraud policies and NGO regulations in CAMA that could be implemented or rectified.

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Gibberish! If they can obey the law outside Nigeria, why the fuss in Nigeria? Why?

yanabasee1:
Is Mosque also included on the CAMA?

Mosque no get money now.

kingxsamz:
These pastors only have mouth when it involves Nigeria.
But they'll gladly and sheepishly accept whatever is being thrown at them in other foreign countries.

You are so dumb. Are those foreign countries their own?

ThatFairGuy:
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Gibberish! If they can obey the law outside Nigeria, why the fuss in Nigeria? Why?

What law outside Nigeria are you talking about? What is the probability that an Imam would be made a member or head of the board of trusty of a church in a country like US? Keep deceiving yourself.

ethicallyright:
Former CAN PRESIDENT, Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor was caught in South Africa with almost 10 million dollars in his private Jet not up to a decade ago. Though he claimed the money was meant for the purchase of arms for the Nigerian State, it is enough evidence that millions of dollars which are unrelated to the duties of churches and mosques ,as stipulated in their articles of assoiciation and constitutions, are dumped with these religious leaders for businesses they would have no duty with in an organized country.

Let's leave the issue of Churches since there are evidence of their money laundering schemes for public officials. The United States of America which leads the global fight against terrorism have opined that for a successful resistance against Islamic extremism and terrorism to be achieved, regimes in every continent of this planet must monitor finances and prevent terrorism sponsorship. To fight a monster, it is pertinent to target its head not tail. When there are no funds to propagate the terrorist ideology to the most rural enclaves or pay fighters to cause havoc, the enemies of this country will be subdued.

The board of the Corporate Affairs Commission are well represented both on tribal and religious lines. This law does not in anyway specify churches. It literally states "NGOs and Religious bodies."

This means if IRAN sends funds to Shite Muslims in Nigeria for any purpose but officially says it is for building of Mosques , roads construction or building of a world class hospital, the Government of Nigeria will ensure that the funds are used for those purposes and no money is channeled for arms purchase. If SAUDI ARABIA sends funds to an Islamic Humanitarian Organization in Yobe or Zamfara, this bill will give the Corporate Affairs Commission authority to demand annual bank statements of these Organizations and trace the expenditure of their funds.

Remember, it's a legislation and will remain same even when a Christian PRESIDENT is elected. Similar legislations have been enacted in most developed nations. Only those who negate the concept of accountability will be irritated by this relevant amendment.

Try to be objective and of sound mind when writing for public consumption. Pa Ayo Oritsejafor was not caught in SA with almost $10 million. The Jet that conveyed the money and those that accompanied the money belonged to him. The Jet was leased by FG for security purpose because of Boko Haram problem.

How do the Boko Haram get financed? Are the Churches the financiers of Boko Haram and Bandits?

sonnie10:


What law outside Nigeria are you talking about? What is the probability that an Imam would be made a member or head of the board of trusty of a church in a country like US? Keep deceiving yourself.

Why are you making it as if this is only for Christians? Was it stated in the law that Imam or Alfa will assume such position? Should I also say a pastor will be use to replace Imam?
Why are you people like this

luluman:
You are so dumb. Are those foreign countries their own?

Thanks.
You just proved my point.

Seems like my comment really hurt you.
You'll be fine.

kingxsamz:
These pastors only have mouth when it involves Nigeria.
But they'll gladly and sheepishly accept whatever is being thrown at them in other foreign countries.

Why wouldn't they have mouth in their own country
If you suffer outside your country, it shouldn't be the same in your own country

At least you should have a home and country to come back to

ThatFairGuy:

Why are you making it as if this is only for Christians? Was it stated in the law that Imam or Alfa will assume such position? Should I also say a pastor will be use to replace Imam?
Why are you people like this

Given the kind of abuse of power embedded in a black man
All you wrote above is possible

bigfish3k:

Why wouldn't they have mouth in their own country

Well, it's too late to cry now.

babaolofin:


Try to be objective and of sound mind when writing for public consumption. Pa Ayo Oritsejafor was not caught in SA with almost $10 million. The Jet that conveyed the money and those that accompanied the money belonged to him. The Jet was leased by FG for security purpose because of Boko Haram problem.

Man, I got first hand information before the media reported that incidence.

There are many companies that have Jets to lease in Nigeria example Execujets , why didn't the Presidency hire one of those if it did not want to use one of the many Presidential jets wasting in the hangers?

The Pastor's jet was used for cover. It officially landed in South Africa for "missionary work."

They believed that by using a Jet identified as that of a pastor who is the head NIGERIA's Christianity, the jet would be free from search . The minister gave out his Jet for a covet mission. It's like Italy hiring the private jet of the pope to buy weapons The only reason for that is that no one would ordinarily want to search the Pope's plane.

luluman:
You are so dumb. Are those foreign countries their own?

You here are the dumber one! If you can obey the law of other , why can't you obey the law or YOUR OWN Country. Same way the so called wealthy here blow siren and disobey traffic laws going to the airport, skip the queue at the airport with their gra gra Mopols BUT when they get to the airport on the other side of the World,they start acting humble and obey all the laws. Why are you ppl defending these ThievesMagu was able to hide HALF A BILLION in his PASTOR'S account because there is no scrutiny with Church finance....WAKE UP FOOLS! And I am a Christian!

bigfish3k:
Given the kind of abuse of power embedded in a black man All you wrote above is possible

No, it isn't.

sonnie10:


What law outside Nigeria are you talking about? What is the probability that an Imam would be made a member or head of the board of trusty of a church in a country like US? Keep deceiving yourself.

Where did they say an Iman would be the head? Or you're just saying that to have something to cry over.