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Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Nobody: 2:57am On Sep 12, 2020 |
stanliwise: I stated that it's also complex because of the complicated data structures and algorithms, bro read well before you quote me o. I can't comman be explaining myself. |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by stanliwise(m): 2:59am On Sep 12, 2020 |
DanTheGeek:Even at that they are not the hardest to build. Chess Engine today is very hard to build to a notable level. The way computer scientist can advance is unknown due to because it is NP-hard. This means there is not shortcut tomorrow for the solution. Coming soon PS5 Polygon games engine is very mad, thousand and thousand research where made for the rendering alone. Not to talk of the complex analysis. Please read about it. Cloud computing Operating systems. Linux tools and distribution are exceedingly difficult to build. Window operating system is neck bending to code with more than 50 million lines of pure logic. And heavy chains of tools everywhere. |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Nobody: 3:00am On Sep 12, 2020 |
stanliwise: I suspected you don't really know what an API is from this statement. It's a shame. Just delete your posts before somebody hiring sees it. |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by stanliwise(m): 3:02am On Sep 12, 2020 |
DanTheGeek:you nor go school, read it clearly nah You said communicate with a programming language. And I said it is between two applications. |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by stanliwise(m): 3:05am On Sep 12, 2020 |
DanTheGeek:Please Goan learn what API Means Application programming interface. If I write an app and I want other app to communicate to my app. I write an api, set of functions. Api are between apps not languages |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Nobody: 3:09am On Sep 12, 2020 |
stanliwise: Baba, it's just large not difficult. If you know what you're doing you can build anything but somethings require a large team because of the level of research implementation that needs to be done. The 50 million lines of logic repeatedly call methods from the underlying programming language's API and if it's through a library it still ends up calling an inbuilt method. My recent project I posted here on NL has closet to 50k LOC and it's just a web app with no complex algorithms yet. Simply calling a method multiple times for multiple scenarios can make the application complicated but doesn't take away the fact that all credits are due to the programming language itself, for without the years of hard works of men like Brendan Eich and co, we wouldn't be able to build meaningful software. |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Nobody: 3:12am On Sep 12, 2020 |
stanliwise: Yes you can communicate with a programming language via its API nah... By "between two applications" I'm assuming you mean two web/mobile/desktop apps talking to each other. |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by stanliwise(m): 3:15am On Sep 12, 2020 |
DanTheGeek:You practically don’t know what you are saying it is clear. So if cement was used to build a bridge. You mean people who created the cement did a better job than people who created the bridge? And please stop saying language API, say Compiler API, language does not have api. Language is just a language. Have you ever heard of anything like Java API or C++ API? You only hear C++ compiler API, JAVA compiler API. No dey fall your hand. |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Nobody: 3:16am On Sep 12, 2020 |
stanliwise: I guess you should just try building one then. You're comparing something that takes years to get right to something that can be implented in months at most. |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by stanliwise(m): 3:18am On Sep 12, 2020 |
DanTheGeek:Dont make me laugh you please. I don’t want to. I follow Lc0 and stock fish engine back to back everyday. They have been finding all manner of research through neck and teeth to improve it and you talk a month. I am developing my chess engine though, I know it will be slow but I can do it in a month but I won’t say I have an engine. |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Nobody: 3:20am On Sep 12, 2020 |
stanliwise: Somebody just shoot me already. You should've googled Java API before posting nah. O wrong nau. You're just emphasizing on your ignorance. Btw, is it only cement that's used to build a bridge who have you seen building bridges with just cement. The context is quite different. For software the only major dependency is the programming language. |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by stanliwise(m): 3:24am On Sep 12, 2020 |
DanTheGeek:You are still stabbing yourself boy. There is nothing like language api. We only have application API. When next you hear Java API. They mean the compiler not the language. Goan quote me anywhere |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by stanliwise(m): 3:37am On Sep 12, 2020 |
DanTheGeek: DanTheGeek:I was simple trying to correct your wrong statement “The API is the only reason an application can communicate with the programming language” If you cannot prove the above by today then kindly and peacefully apologize to this group for misleading them and apologize to me for stressing me. Because how can an application be communicating with a language You can only communicate with a compiler or an application or a software not a Language. You have been mislead by hearing Phython API or JavaScript API, not knowing they mean python compiler API and JavaScript compiler(NodeJS) API and you have refuse to take correction. Let’s draw the line. 1 Like
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Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Nobody: 3:55am On Sep 12, 2020 |
ReactGA: Thanks, I'm always happy to learn more from those ahead of me and yes, I'm an upcoming game dev. |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by OGWILLS123: 4:15am On Sep 12, 2020 |
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Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Nobody: 4:23am On Sep 12, 2020 |
OGWILLS123:ABI?? |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by OGWILLS123: 4:28am On Sep 12, 2020 |
Talk24:I swear if you want see mortal kombat for this section just ask if maths is very important in programming or if self though programmer's are better than uni C.S student you go fight 1 Like |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Nobody: 4:36am On Sep 12, 2020 |
OGWILLS123: Funny you |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Najdorf: 7:23am On Sep 12, 2020 |
tensazangetsu20:International Olympiad in Informatics? In Nigeria we usually send teams for it every year. The question is whether they're prepared. Most school here aren't interested in the National Olympiad in Informatics (the gateway to the international stage) cause they know they lack the teachers and resources capable of preparing students for it. I don't know if a black person has ever gotten a medal but I know Nigeria is still yet to win one. You don't start preparing students for these things in SS1 and expect them to go and dominate on the world stage the next year. |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Nobody: 7:36am On Sep 12, 2020 |
stanliwise: Isn't that what software development is about. I'm talking about an MVP. We can all agree that development never ends, it's a continuous thing. but if you're talking about time to market, programming languages take more time. Only complex 3d games can match the delivery time of programming languages of 1 year and even that depends on your team given that an indie developer will spend more time building than a fully dedicated team. |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Nobody: 7:48am On Sep 12, 2020 |
stanliwise: This right here is why I say you're kinda wrong. Partially correct but API scope goes beyond REST/Soap and even if it means compiler/interpreter methods it still means the same thing. At least you get the picture I'm painting when I say programming language API and by "an application communicating" with it I mean, your web/desktop/mobile app calling the inbuilt methods of the programming language to make the app more meaningful. If you're not gonna communicate with the compiler or interpreter how else are you gonna build your God damn application? If the API covers the IDK, classes etc... That's pretty much the accessible part of the language to the developer. Without an API you can freaking use the language.
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Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by tensazangetsu20(m): 7:59am On Sep 12, 2020 |
Najdorf:I doubt Nigerians can compete. Have you see the American team. Look at super coders like Gennady. I don't think there's anybody in Nigeria with ability matching there's men. |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Nobody: 7:59am On Sep 12, 2020 |
stanliwise:You already know nah? OS development is the worst of them all. |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Nobody: 8:18am On Sep 12, 2020 |
DanTheGeek:ehn, bros I've written a lexical analyser without regex, I can even show you the source code on github, lexical analysers are not too hard (parsers are harder) , but I don't think you've gone deep into OS Dev, do you know hard it is too manipulate pages of memory, to create a good algorithm that can swap pages when page faults occur, do you know hard it is to program all those chips and all, do you know how hard it is to build a GUI from scratch, do you know how hard it is to handle and allocate memory appropriately. No just call compiler development for here, game engine development and some others are far harder, by the way interpreters/compilers cannot interact with hardware they must go through the OS through the kernel because compilers are user applications therefore they operate in a higher ring level than the kernel which operates on the lowest, there is a library you have to create and even at that you can't completely interact with hardware straight up, you must use system calls for example read, write, fork, exec, open, close, socket (these are system calls on POSIX compliant systems) . And lastly I forgot to mention, when writing an OS you don't have access to system calls, libraries and frameworks, you are on your own, and worst of all you have to code I a lot of assembly. |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by cixak95211: 8:24am On Sep 12, 2020 |
stanliwise: You were kinda right before, then you took a swift turn . . . APIs go far more than a frontend calling a backend service. That would be classified under 3rd party APIs There are Language APIs which are constructs built on the core layer to help the language interact with stuffs, for example, in Javascript: there is a browser API . . that allows Javascript communicate with the browser. Under browser API for example, there is a Device API , this api contains a Vibrate API which makes your device vibrate . . There is a Storage API, localstorage, cookie and indexed db comes to mind . . Audio and Video API . . the list is very long . What Dan was trying to tell you that these interfaces are not for you to learn, cos that's how the language communicates with the environment. They are sub-levels, Your own job is the high-level part of it, the 3rd party API part . . . Truly, APIs goes way beyond /GET /PUT /PATCH /POST and /DELETE request to a server sitting somewhere. This right here is one of the problems with being "self-taught". While its a good thing, it comes with a whole lot of limitations. Cos 99.99% of the tutorials on what have you, like Youtube, all refer to building 3rd party APIs. And if yo follow these videos rigorously, you think life ends there, when in fact, it just begun. |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Nobody: 8:48am On Sep 12, 2020 |
SegFault: I didn't build the OS from scratch, it doesn't make sense to. I used a barebones linux distro (Arch Linux) with Python to get up and running taking care of the most complicated parts of the development. Is OS development even possible without a programming language? Maybe (if you build the machine code (without assembly) required to run it which is damn difficult and not recommended) even though it's most likely assembly programming you'd be doing. I agree that OS development is also difficult (complex) but we gotta give credit to programming languages for without them we'd have to write machine code directly. So have you built an OS completely from scratch? I'd love to hear about it. |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Nobody: 8:50am On Sep 12, 2020 |
cixak95211: Finally somebody that understands me damn. I tried so hard to explain to no avail. 2 Likes |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Xperienx(m): 9:51am On Sep 12, 2020 |
This is arguably the most valuable post I have ever seen on nairaland... Let me sum this arguments all from my point of view and years of experience. Stanliwise, DanTheGeek, SegFault and Cixak. You all are good but if I am to rank the points you made haven followed this discussion from start up to this point. From the scale of 1 - 10 Stanliwise scored - 8 points DanTheGeek scored - 6 points While SegFault didn't participated in the Argument, he made some more sense along the line. Finally Cixak comment was inline with DanTheGeeks whose got 2 point less that Stanliwise so.... Now don't prosecute me... The analysis I have given is just from my point of view following the points you made meanwhile, developing a programming language is not the hardest thing to whom ever mentioned or supported this Case closed! |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Regex: 9:57am On Sep 12, 2020 |
SegFault: Did someone call me? 1 Like |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by stanliwise(m): 10:08am On Sep 12, 2020 |
cixak95211:API are not beyond applications, whatever the end result maybe, no machine respond without API. We know the first kind of software in a machine are Logic gates and circuit, they also have their own API. Language do not communicate, that particular statement is wrong, Instead you communicate with a Language compiler. API are advance form of the language that abstract communication. It is what we used to construct communication and then sometimes compile to bitcode. C compiler has it own way of building you app to communicate with machine, so also so Java VM. What ever library code you call depends on how your application are constructed. That is what API means You can communicate with virtually anything, any software or sub software has it own API, machine could have it own API but such API are interpreted by a particular Application kernel in it 10010101011... form. It just depends on which API you call DanGeek made a terrible mistake by saying “An applications communicate with a language using Api” I then told him it is not so JAVA API means java compiler API. It doesn’t mean Java Language API. Different is small but important. Moreso I am not self taught, I went to school to learn computing science and I know what I am talking about |
Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Xperienx(m): 10:31am On Sep 12, 2020 |
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Re: Don't Joke With These Math Topics If You Want To Be A Successful Game Dev by Nobody: 10:39am On Sep 12, 2020 |
stanliwise: All you're just trying to do is to divert our attention from your statement that APIs are REST/SOAP only... You didn't even mention soap, you said they are restful when they can actually also be restless but this only applies to integration of third party apps. This your new post is just buttressing my point and creating more confusion on where you stand. 1 Like |
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