freeborn02:


I knew you would respond like that. The beautiful thing about your own level of stupidity is that you are an easily predictable dumb idiot.

My evidence is the Holy Bible. You even declared that the Bible is 2000+ years old. This means it must have been written around when the event took place.

So, you that claim to be wise and reasonable, produce your own evidence to prove that part of the Bible wrong.

Don't just talk like a fool. Produce evidence to counter the claim of the Bible.

Wait. So your evidence is that because the Bible is old, therefore it is true? I'm asking this because if we are to follow your logic, then therefore the religious books that are older than the Bible are also true.

Also one does not prove a negative.

freeborn02:


You may be an old idiot close to your grave, it's none of my business. My evidence is a book that was written around the time the event took place. I was not alive then and those who were alive wrote that those events took place.

Now, you old fool that will soon be consumed by the grave, prove that my evidence is not true or shut up.

There's no point arguing with you.
Go and read more, and learn how to fill your sentences with valuable points rather than insults. You obviously don't know much asides what's in the bible. Also read on "the burden of proof". You'll be fine.

SniperAssassin:


Wait. So your evidence is that because the Bible is old, therefore it is true? I'm asking this because if we are to follow your logic, then therefore the religious books that are older than the Bible are also true.

Also one does not prove a negative.

Thank you.

DeusXmachina:

The flood myth is one of such examples.
This is the flood story according to the epic of Gilgamesh. The Babylonian/Mesopotamian story that is, the Sumerian one is slightly different, but the table is heavily fragmented.
This is based on the nearly completed tables found.

Ea leaks the secret plan
Utnapishtim tells Gilgamesh a secret story that begins in the old city of Shuruppak on the banks of the Euphrates River.
The "great gods" Anu, Enlil, Ninurta, Ennugi, and Ea were sworn to secrecy about their plan to cause the flood.
But the god Ea (Sumerian god Enki) repeated the plan to Utnapishtim through a reed wall in a reed house.
Ea commanded Utnapishtim to demolish his house and build a boat, regardless of the cost, to keep living beings alive.
The boat must have equal dimensions with corresponding width and length and be covered over like Apsu boats.
Utnapishtim promised to do what Ea commanded.
He asked Ea what he should say to the city elders and the population.
Ea tells him to say that Enlil has rejected him and he can no longer reside in the city or set foot in Enlil's territory.
He should also say that he will go down to the Apsu "to live with my lord Ea".
Note: 'Apsu' can refer to a fresh water marsh near the temple of Ea/Enki at the city of Eridu.

Building and launching the boat
Carpenters, reed workers, and other people assembled one morning.
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Five days later, Utnapishtim laid out the exterior walls of the boat of 120 cubits.
The sides of the superstructure had equal lengths of 120 cubits. He also made a drawing of the interior structure.
The boat had six decks divided into seven and nine compartments.
Water plugs were driven into the middle part.
Punting poles and other necessary things were laid in.
Three times 3,600 units of raw bitumen were melted in a kiln and three times 3,600 units of oil were used in addition to two times 3,600 units of oil that were stored in the boat.
Oxen and sheep were slaughtered and ale, beer, oil, and wine were distributed to the workmen, like at a new year's festival.
When the boat was finished, the launch was very difficult. A runway of poles was used to slide the boat into the water.
Two-thirds of the boat was in the water.
Utnapishtim loaded his silver and gold into the boat.
He loaded "all the living beings that I had."
His relatives and craftsmen, and "all the beasts and animals of the field" boarded the boat.
The time arrived, as stated by the god Shamash, to seal the entry door.

The storm
Early in the morning at dawn a black cloud arose from the horizon.
The weather was frightful.
Utnapishtim boarded the boat and entrusted the boat and its contents to his boatmaster Puzurammurri who sealed the entry.
The thunder god Adad rumbled in the cloud and storm gods Shullar and Hanish went over mountains and land.
Erragal pulled out the mooring poles and the dikes overflowed.
The Annunnaki gods lit up the land with their lightning.
There was stunned shock at Adad's deeds which turned everything to blackness. The land was shattered like a pot.
All day long the south wind blew rapidly and the water overwhelmed the people like an attack.
No one could see his fellows. They could not recognize each other in the torrent.
The gods were frightened by the flood, and retreated up to the Anu heaven. They cowered like dogs lying by the outer wall.
Ishtar shrieked like a woman in childbirth.
The Mistress of the gods wailed that the old days had turned to clay because "I said evil things in the Assembly of the Gods, ordering a catastrophe to destroy my people who fill the sea like fish."
The other gods were weeping with her and sat sobbing with grief, their lips burning, parched with thirst.
The flood and wind lasted six days and six nights, flattening the land.
On the seventh day, the storm was pounding [intermittently?] like a woman in labor.

Calm after the storm
The sea calmed and the whirlwind and flood stopped. All day long there was quiet. All humans had turned to clay.
The terrain was as flat as a roof top. Utnapishtim opened a window and felt fresh air on his face.
He fell to his knees and sat weeping, tears streaming down his face. He looked for coastlines at the horizon and saw a region of land.
The boat lodged firmly on mount Nimush which held the boat for several days, allowing no swaying.
On the seventh day he released a dove that flew away, but came back to him. He released a swallow, but it also came back to him.
He released a raven which was able to eat and scratch, and did not circle back to the boat.
He then sent his livestock out in various directions.

The sacrifice

He sacrificed a sheep and offered incense at a mountainous ziggurat where he placed 14 sacrificial vessels and poured reeds, cedar, and myrtle into the fire.
The gods smelled the sweet odor of the sacrificial animal and gathered like flies over the sacrifice.
Then the great goddess arrived, lifted up her flies (beads), and said
"Ye gods, as surely as I shall not forget this lapis lazuli [amulet] around my neck, I shall be mindful of these days and never forget them! The gods may come to the sacrificial offering. But Enlil may not come, because he brought about the flood and annihilated my people without considering [the consequences]."
When Enlil arrived, he saw the boat and became furious at the Igigi gods. He said "Where did a living being escape? No man was to survive the annihilation!"
Ninurta spoke to Enlil saying "Who else but Ea could do such a thing? It is Ea who knew all of our plans."
Ea spoke to Enlil saying "It was you, the Sage of the Gods. How could you bring about a flood without consideration?"
Ea then accuses Enlil of sending a disproportionate punishment, and reminds him of the need for compassion.
Ea denies leaking the god's secret plan to Atrahasis (= Utnapishtim), admitting only sending him a dream and deflecting Enlil's attention to the flood hero.

The flood hero and his wife are granted
immortality and transported far away

Enlil then boards a boat and grasping Utnapishtim's hand, helps him and his wife aboard where they kneel. Standing between Utnapishtim and his wife, he touches their foreheads and blesses them. "Formerly Utnapishtim was a human being, but now he and his wife have become gods like us. Let Utnapishtim reside far away, at the mouth of the rivers."
Utnapishtim and his wife are transported and settled at the "mouth of the rivers".

And lo and behold, the first Hebrew was a Sumerian or descended from Sumerian = Abraham

kingxsamz:


There's no point arguing with you.
Go and read more, and learn how to fill your sentences with valuable points rather than insults. You obviously don't know much asides what's in the bible. Also read on "the burden of proof". You'll be fine.

You that know something more than what's in the Bible, bring forth what you know that showed those events in the Holy Bible did not take place.

I've shown you my proof. So the onus is on you to prove that my proof is not true. You claim to have sense; you should at least be se sensible enough to prove me wrong with evidences that those events in the did not take place


Or are you as stupid as I think you are?

SniperAssassin:


Wait. So your evidence is that because the Bible is old, therefore it is true? I'm asking this because if we are to follow your logic, then therefore the religious books that are older than the Bible are also true.

Also one does not prove a negative.

What religion books are older than the Bible? Kindly mention them.

Image123:


It is just things like this that make you believe that Caesar, Aristotle and co existed. But here you are almost having an epileptic fit because a Bible name is mentioned.smh

Take it easy bruh

freeborn02:



You that know something more than what's in the Bible, bring forth what you know that showed those events in the Holy Bible did not take place.

I've shown you my proof. So the onus is on you to prove that my proof is not true. You claim to have sense; you should at least be se sensible enough to prove me wrong with evidences that those events in the did not take place


Or are you as stupid as I think you are?

Lol, I can tell you're already crying. Don't worry, you'll be fine.
Read up the burden of proof. And tell me if a book which makes a claim can validate itself.
But anyways, since you're too slow to follow up, show me an external verifiable source that proves a man died and resurrected 3 days later.
By 'external verifiable source', I mean, a valid source outside of the bible which can back up your claim. Until you do that, we can continue this convo. Good day.

CAPSLOCKED:
WE ALL KNOW THE BIBLE IS A COMPILATION OF TALES FROM VARIOUS CIVILIZATIONS.
IT'S JUST LIKE CHINUA MENTIONING ORLU AND AWKA IN HIS BOOKS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE AMADIOHA REAL.

That's right, Jewish folktales mostly.

freeborn02:


What religion books are older than the Bible? Kindly mention them.

Pyramid Texts(Ancient Egyptian). The oldest of which is dated to 2400-2300 B.C.

Epic of Gilgamesh(Sumerian):2100B.C.

Vedic Texts(Hindu), the oldest of which where composed between 1500-1200 B.C.

Coffin Texts(Ancient Egyptian), which were written beginning in the First Intermediate Period(2181-2055 B.C.)

As opposed to the oldest books in the Old Testament, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the 12 minor prophets, which were written between the 8th and 6th century B.C.

You can check this up on Google or Wikipedia

SniperAssassin:


Pyramid Texts(Ancient Egyptian). The oldest of which is dated to 2400-2300 B.C.

Epic of Gilgamesh(Sumerian):2100B.C.

Vedic Texts(Hindu), the oldest of which where composed between 1500-1200 B.C.

Coffin Texts(Ancient Egyptian), which were written beginning in the

I've never read the contents of those books before, but I know those ancient civilizations are real.

kingxsamz:


Lol, I can tell you're already crying. Don't worry, you'll be fine.
Read up the burden of proof. And tell me if a book which makes a claim can validate itself.
But anyways, since you're too slow to follow up, show me an external verifiable source that proves a man died and resurrected 3 days later.
By 'external verifiable source', I mean, a valid source outside of the bible which can back up your claim. Until you do that, we can continue this convo. Good day.

Crying? For what exactly? Why will I cry because I'm arguing with an idiot that thinks he is clever? Your dumbness doesn't stop my salary nah.

ENIGMATIC2023:



See a psychiatrist asap

The same way they told copernicus to see a psychiatrist in his time when he told the Christian leaders the earth goes round the sun and not the other way round. Oh sorry, they tried to kill for refuting their ignorance.

demmie1:


The same way they told copernicus to see a psychiatrist in his time when he told the Christian leaders the earth goes round the sun and not the other way round. Oh sorry, they tried to kill for refuting their ignorance.

Just leave the guy. I don't understand how a person needs psychiatric attention because he refuses to believe in something like a talking donkey.
The last I checked, it is people who believe such, than are put in institutions.

freeborn02:



You that know something more than what's in the Bible, bring forth what you know that showed those events in the Holy Bible did not take place.

I've shown you my proof. So the onus is on you to prove that my proof is not true. You claim to have sense; you should at least be se sensible enough to prove me wrong with evidences that those events in the did not take place


Or are you as stupid as I think you are?

You really need to read up on the burden of proof. I suggest you check out Russell's Teapot as an example.

SniperAssassin:


You really need to read up on the burden of proof. I suggest you check out Russell's Teapot as an example.

I've given my proof. You should disprove it. Simple

kingxsamz:
It's not rocket science.
Certain stories/names in the bible were adapted from somewhere or events that actually happened. Same way the Spider-Man movie is based in a real location, (New York) but we can't conclude that a man who shoots spider webs and flies in the air exists.
But I don't expect much from folks who won't read the article but jump into conclusions that a donkey once talked simply because an inscription which contained a name was found.
It's only a brain dead mofo that'll believe a snake and donkey talked simply because a 2000 year old book said so.
But you'll call these same archeologists liars when they show you 'alleged' bone fossils of Dinosaurs. Who is fooling who?

the problem with your likes is their inability to realize that, denying God's existence alone is a prove of his existence..I blame God sometimes for not creating some of you as trees so that you won't have the intelligence and ability to type trash on nairaland

Image123:


Good to see you get my point, hope you don't forget it yet again. BTW, I don't think such a book exists.

Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me:
And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay.

yea.... If you ask me, this excerpt from the verse sounds more like gay porn to me. We see you King James

TheSourcerer:
think , do animals have vocal chords , specific ones to make them speak? Not just speak or make sounds but think before constructing words , funny think of the riders response in the wake of his donkey talking, he spoke to his donkey casually ... Think

Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me:

And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay.



yea.... Is it only me or this excerpt from the verse sounds more like gay porn? We see you King James

freeborn02:


What religion books are older than the Bible? Kindly mention them.

The Rig Veda a scripture of Hinduism.
Kesh Temple Hymn a Sumerian text.
As well as the epic of Gilgamesh.

Openbusiness:
how you interpret my statement is left for you. And you are 100% correct, I am not God and I can never be God and do not claim to be God. And hope you know it is the same God which you say i am not that will cast the Atheists and Naysayers into Hell Fire, not me. I'm just letting them know about it. If letting them know about it for you means condemning, that's your view and it is a wrong view. Because I'm not the judge in this equation, I'm not the prosecutor and I'm not the plaintiff. If you feel that saying Atheists are going to hell fire = condemnation, then God is the one condemning, not me. And if you think that is hate, then you are saying God is hateful, not me. I said it then, and I will say it again, Atheists are going to Hell Fire, the very Hell Fire they say doesn't exist and they will burn forever. It just might sound unpleasant no doubt, but it's the truth, it's a fact. I really don't know why you are so critical about it. I mean, fortunately for the Atheists, i'm wrong, aren't I? My claim and theory is just some cooked up rubbish and the Bible is a book of fake fables and absolute nonsense written by delirious drunkards. That's very good, isn't it? Because it means I'm totally wrong; and Atheists say I am wrong, that what I'm saying is a lie. Ok, very good. Since it is a lie, then they have nothing to worry about. So there's no need for you to be critical since what I said is 100% false

You are not a Christian.

Go and read the Bible to understand it.

Saul a non-believer was used by God and even wrote a book in the Holy Bible.

You are just one of those overzelous religious folks who throw their righteousness around and think they have a one ticket to heaven.

E go shock.

Dont reply me again. I am tired. Believe what you want to believe. In my mind, you are just three steps away from boko haram guys.

iamyemiakins:
When will any Nigeria archaeological record be discovered, at least let's know where the root of Nigeria's problem generated from, to know how we would start to find the square root.

I have been asking myself this same question, how come nothing has been discovered? Nigeria is relatively close to Egypt :where even scientists can't determine how pyramids was built or how some discoveries can't be explained by scientists because of the finesse, quality of things they discovered

This week I literally spent 20 gig watching archeological finds science can't explain

Watch, round bricks, smooth and heavy bricks gold crafts that today's machines can't replicate etc

Didnt this part of Africa exist during those times or people just didn't migrate, travel around this parts?

kingxsamz:


You're probably a kid, if you think 'likes' on Nairaland reflects or has anything to do with reality.

... all shades of losers' logic.

CAPSLOCKED:


YOU GET SENSE SO?

I guess that struck you point-foremost on your SATAN-LOCKED forehead.

Nathan2016:


You are not a Christian.

Go and read the Bible to understand it.

Saul a non-believer was used by God and even wrote a book in the Holy Bible.

You are just one of those overzelous religious folks who throw their righteousness around and think they have a one ticket to heaven.

E go shock.

Dont reply me again. I am tired. Believe what you want to believe. In my mind, you are just three steps away from boko haram guys.

Hypocrisy is a very bad thing. When Atheists say all sorts of things here to ridicule and attack the existence of God and mock and insult people who say they believe God exists, you don't view that as condemnation, you don't get critical about it, you don't call it hate. But when you hear someone say Atheists are going to hell fire (something they say they don't believe exists with absolute authority, confidence, assurance and "evidence" ) you are suddenly having sleepless nights. And FYI, Saul was a Jew or Jewish person who practiced Judaism, so Saul was NEVER an Atheist. He believed in the existence of God even before he had that encounter that converted him to Christianity, so don't even try to twist things. You say I'm not a Christian, ok, that's your opinion, I don't have a problem with that. You say I'm overzealous, lol, that's your opinion too, another wrong one, and it's a non issue for me. You are entitled to your opinion, as I am, and everyone else. And I don't have any Righteousness of my own to throw around. I'm a man of many mistakes and sins. It's God Righteousness that is my ticket to Heaven, and yes, I have that ticket and I like to flaunt it in the faces of Atheists to pepper dem well . Just so you know, in case you didn't get the message very well before, Atheists are going to Hell Fire and they will burn forever and it is the same God they said doesn't exist and mock and ridicule and deride that created the Hell Fire and will throw them inside after they die. If I'm lying, no problem, when they die they will find out. Period! I just hope you are not an Atheist

freeborn02:


I've given my proof. You should disprove it. Simple

I have already shown you how your so-called proof does not hold water. Your argument is basically that the Bible is true because it is old, but yet there are other religious texts that tell stories that are entirely different from what you see in the Bible. Are you saying that those texts are true?

For example, DeusExMachina above me has already given a rundown on The Epic of Gilgamesh(Sumerian flood myth). It is far older than the Bible.(In fact the expert opinion is that the Bible's version was based on it. But yet do you believe the version of events that you read there?

SniperAssassin:


I have already shown you how your so-called proof does not hold water. Your argument is basically that the Bible is true because it is old, but yet there are other religious texts that tell stories that are entirely different from what you see in the Bible. Are you saying that those texts are true?

No need arguing with that clown, he doesn't know much.
I have asked him to provide external source of the resurrection of Jesus, no answer.

kingxsamz:


So If I don't know anything about a Roman Empire or someone named Ceasar, that automatically makes my opinion invalid on topics which are clearly not related to Ceasar? And I'm pretty sure there's a handful of people here who don't even know anything about Ceasar.
So if I ask you "How were the heavy elements from iron to uranium made?" , and you respond with "I don't know". Does that mean you don't know anything or you don't know more than others?

And you're too blind to notice where I said it's not rocket science that certain stories in the bible are based off real people or real events. You failed to notice that I wasn't arguing the existence of some "Balaam". My comment was actually directed at those who believe that a Donkey and Snake talked and engaged in a conversation like a human, and not actually discrediting this research.
And you brought up Ceasar and Roman empire like I mentioned it or as if it had anything to do with my write up or the Op's. That's what happens when you read to comment but don't read to understand.

How could you believe in the existence of 'some' Balaam and deny the events that brought the name to fore? If you're not discrediting the research of his existence, why frown at other things that happened to him simply because those things were mentioned in the Bible?

Where else have you ever seen the name Balaam mentioned aside the Bible? It's just like believing in the existence of Michael Faraday and his discovery, but not believing in some of the stories of his life, e.g, the fact that he never attended college, simply because you don't like the book or the author.

What do you think about that?

Arkmanbuddy:



How could you believe in the existence of 'some' Balaam and deny the events that brought the name to fore? If you're not discrediting the research of his existence, why frown at other things that happened to him simply because those things were mentioned in the Bible?

Where else have you ever seen the name Balaam mentioned aside the Bible? It's just like believing in the existence of Michael Faraday and his discovery, but not believing in some of the stories of his life, e.g, the fact that he never attended college, simply because you don't like the book or the author.

What do you think about that?

Common sense would tell you that the story was based on someone who actually existed. But the other claim that this someone's Donkey talked like a human is what the research has failed to prove.
Or are we really arguing that Animals can talk like humans?
So if someone writes a book about how Hitler had super powers, with no witness whatsoever to support the claim, it automatically proves that Hitler had super powers?
Make una dey reason sometimes.

Arkmanbuddy:



How could you believe in the existence of 'some' Balaam and deny the events that brought the name to fore? If you're not discrediting the research of his existence, why frown at other things that happened to him simply because those things were mentioned in the Bible?

Where else have you ever seen the name Balaam mentioned aside the Bible? It's just like believing in the existence of Michael Faraday and his discovery, but not believing in some of the stories of his life, e.g, the fact that he never attended college, simply because you don't like the book or the author.

What do you think about that?

And besides, several stories in the bible can also be found in other religions.

An inscription was found containing a name, nothing else.
No where did it state a talking donkey.

Arkmanbuddy:


Where else have you ever seen the name Balaam mentioned aside the Bible? It's just like believing in the existence of Michael Faraday and his discovery, but not believing in some of the stories of his life, e.g, the fact that he never attended college, simply because you don't like the book or the author.

What do you think about that?

Do these stories of Michael Faraday include Talking animals, men walking on water and ascending into the sky?

he has a passion for winning souls.. if something is important to you, you'll create time for it.. it doesn't mean he's jobless..

you may not appreciate his posts but other people do .

kingxsamz:


That's his business.
Like I said, it's only a jobless person that hustles to be the first to comment on almost every thread, 24-7.