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In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by GRAILMESSAGE: 8:28am On Oct 25, 2020 |
Above all, if they could but once critically observe themselves with a view to the position of power bestowed upon them, so as to recognize how senselessly they squander this power in petty and transitory things, how they raise trifles to a contemptible position of importance, and how they feel themselves great in things in which they must appear very small in comparison with their real purpose as human beings in Creation. Man of today is like one to whom a kingdom is given, but who prefers to idle away his time with the most simple of children's toys! It is only natural, and not to be expected otherwise, that the mighty powers which have been given to man must crush him if he is not able to guide them. It is high time to finally wake up! Man should make full use of the time and the grace accorded to him with each earth-life. He has no idea yet of how urgent this is already. At the moment when he once more frees his un-free will, everything that now so often seems to be against him will then serve him. Even the radiations of the stars, feared by so many, are only there to serve him and to help him. No matter what their nature. And everyone is able to accomplish this regardless of how heavily karma weighs upon him. Even when the radiations of the stars appear to be predominantly unfavorable. The effect of all this is unfavorable only when the will is not free. But even then it only appears that way, for in reality it is only for his benefit when he is at a loss to help himself. It forces him to defend himself, to awaken and to be on the alert. Fear of the radiations of the stars is quite out of place, however, because the reactions they call forth are always and only linked up with the threads of karma attached to the person concerned. The radiations of the stars are merely channels into which is drawn all the karma hanging about a person at that time, in so far as the karma is homogeneous to the existing radiations. If the radiations of the stars are unfavorable, then only a person’s impending unfavorable karma will fit itself into these channels, exactly as it corresponds to the nature of the radiations, and nothing else. It is the same with favorable radiations. Channeled in such a more concentrated way karma can have a much more perceptible effect on an individual. However, where there is no bad karma outstanding, even unfavorable radiations of the stars cannot have bad effects. One cannot be separated from the other. Here again the great Love of the Creator is recognized. The stars control or direct the effects of karma. Therefore bad karma cannot manifest without interruptions or without allowing for breathing space in between, because the stars send out their radiations alternately, for evil karma cannot take effect at times of favorable radiations! It must then cease and wait until unfavorable radiations again set in; therefore it cannot easily oppress a man completely. If, apart from the evil karma, a man has no good karma which could manifest when the radiations of the stars are favorable, then at least the favorable radiations would give him some respite from his suffering during the time they are active. So, here too, one wheel of the events gears into the other. In strict consistency one follows the other along, simultaneously controlling it, so that there can be no irregularities. And so it continues, as in a gigantic mechanism. On every side the teeth of the wheels gear sharply and exactly into each other, moving everything onward, driving it forward in its development. In the midst of all this stands man, with the immeasurable power entrusted to him to direct this mighty mechanism through his volition. But always only for himself! It can lead him upward or downward. The direction he sets alone is decisive for the outcome. But the machinery of Creation does not consist of rigid substance, but is entirely composed of living forms and beings that through cooperation create a much greater impression. The whole wonderful weaving, however, has the sole purpose of helping man, of serving him, so long as he does not obstruct it by childishly squandering and misusing the power given to him. It is time man adapted himself in a different way in order to become what he should be! In reality obedience means nothing more than to understand. To serve is to help. And to help means to rule. Within a short period every man can make his will free, as it should be. In so doing, everything will change for him, because he himself has first changed inwardly. But for thousands, for hundreds of thousands, indeed for millions, it will be too late because they do not wish it otherwise. It is only natural that the misdirected power must destroy the machine which it would otherwise have served in the performance of its highly beneficial work. And when everything breaks down all those who hesitated will suddenly remember prayer, but they will be unable to find the right way to pray, which alone can bring them help. When they recognize their failure they will, in desperation, quickly turn to cursing and will claim accusingly that there can be no God if He permits such things to happen. They will neither believe in inexorable justice, nor in the fact that they were given the power to change everything in time. And that they were told of this often enough. With childish obstinacy they demand for themselves a loving God as they want Him to be, a God Who forgives everything. It is the only way in which they are willing to recognize His greatness! How, according to their idea, should this God deal with those who have always sought Him seriously, but were, precisely on account of their seeking, stepped on, scorned and persecuted by those who now expect forgiveness? Fools who in their continual deliberate blindness and deafness rush headlong into their destruction, who diligently create their own doom. Let them be abandoned to the darkness, towards which they stubbornly strive in their know-it-all attitude. Only through their own experiences can they still come to their senses. Therefore the Darkness will be their best school. But there will come a day and an hour when this way will also be too late, because there will not be time enough left, after they have finally come to a recognition through their experiences, to tear themselves from darkness and ascend. For this reason it is high time to seriously concern yourself with the Truth. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by ublight: 11:01am On Oct 25, 2020 |
i remember those days one cross bearer was teaching me on some of your doctrines. I felt he was saying the truth untill the day i stumbled upon the original translation of matt 6. I then realized that the grail message had built a false doctrine by misquoting Jesus. The bible can never mean something else aprt from what the writer meant. Today I am glad I met the grail message cos it made me become a Bible scholar, and i found the truth in Christ. Becos of that i always engage every grail adherent cos i want to help them come out of error. Sadly, a lot of them back away when i present profound doctrine against their believes. May God help you guys. |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by GRAILMESSAGE: 4:22pm On Oct 25, 2020 |
ublight:can you elaborate more sir? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by ublight: 5:09pm On Oct 25, 2020 |
GRAILMESSAGE: there is a teaching from u guys on the Lord's prayer. That teaching is faulty cos the original manuscript says something different from what u guys taught. My point is, the Bible is an ancient book. No one reads the Bible vaguely and jumps into conclusion just d way u guys did. Some words have evolved over time and need proper translation. For example when paul said WE KNOW IN PART... He did not imply what u guys implying. The bible must be read contextually. A lot of doctrines u guys pulled out from the bible is greatly error bound. Maybe u guys should stick with mohamed and ghandi and other sages. |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by ublight: 5:13pm On Oct 25, 2020 |
your doctrine is only thriving cos a lot of pentecostal churches shouting all over are also peddling error. I must confess, if i never came in contact with that cross bearer, i probably will still be in that popular pentecostal church where i used to be. It was that cross bearer that introduced me to doctrine. I almost joined you guys untill i met the real light. |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by ublight: 5:16pm On Oct 25, 2020 |
I remember then, that cross bearer asked me some intelligent questions i could not answer. Today, the tables have turned. He can hardly answer my questions and he avoids me now. I remember the day i had to shut him up concerning re incarnation. He saw how foolish he was trying to quote Jesus to support that foolish theory. |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by ublight: 5:19pm On Oct 25, 2020 |
Jesus was murdered, he did not die for any mans sin. That was one of the first things he said to me. Months later, when i had stumbled upon Chris Onayinka's teachings on livingwordmedia, he could not defend that statement again. Hence d reason why he started avoiding me. |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by Nobody: 10:50am On Nov 05, 2020 |
GRAILMESSAGE:Grail message-another sect of Christian religion. My message to you guys---christianity is not one of the many religions that leads to God. Believe only in the grace message of Christ and spare your souls of damnation! |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by King2019(m): 5:03pm On Nov 05, 2020 |
tytachile: It is not a sect of any religion 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by King2019(m): 5:06pm On Nov 05, 2020 |
ublight: I beg to disagree with you I think you value the teaching of known men more than what your objective thinking could have taught you And also in your bid to find the right way you went astray making you even more blindsided to the truth 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by ublight: 5:10pm On Nov 05, 2020 |
King2019: u are free to disagree sha. But u cannot quote the Bible to support your teachings. So stop making the bible say what it never said. Keep your truth. When u reincarnate again, take it and eat it. |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by King2019(m): 5:17pm On Nov 05, 2020 |
ublight: And about Jesus death It was murder Gen 9 vs 6 states God's position clearly, God will not change his position about that Good evening 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by ublight: 5:24pm On Nov 05, 2020 |
King2019: seriously? U are trying to prove a point with the Bible? U are pathetic. Have u read from genesis to revelation before? The Bible is a contextual piece of literature. Not reading it properly is the reason y abd ru shin started that grail cult. The guy was a lunatic. For your info Everything in the Bible is truly stated, but not everything is a statement of truth. That place you quoted has a context. Do not show your madness in public |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by King2019(m): 5:29pm On Nov 05, 2020 |
ublight: Peace |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by Kobojunkiee: 6:22pm On Nov 05, 2020 |
tytachile:What is this "grace message" you speak of? In running away from one cult, be careful that you do not end up in another cult yourself, abeg! ![]() |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by Kobojunkiee: 6:22pm On Nov 05, 2020 |
King2019:So what is it? A religion of its own? ![]() |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by Kobojunkiee: 6:24pm On Nov 05, 2020 |
King2019:Interesting! Care to elaborate on that claim in bold? ![]() |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by Kobojunkiee: 6:37pm On Nov 05, 2020 |
King2019:I am sorry, what? ![]() What has Genesis 9 vs 6(above) to do with Jesus Christ's death? Going by what was written there, who is the man you believe responsible for shedding the blood of Jesus Christ on the cross? ![]() |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by King2019(m): 7:21pm On Nov 05, 2020 |
Kobojunkiee:Thou shalt not murder is a law that God clearly mentioned I just used that verse since he must be conversant with the Bible |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by Kobojunkie: 7:52pm On Nov 05, 2020 |
King2019:How does that particular law apply to the death of Jesus Christ on the cross? A man murdering another man is one thing, but a Government putting to death a man is another. Clearly, Jesus Christ was not killed by a man but by a government. So again I ask, how does that verse apply to your logic on the death of Jesus Christ? |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by King2019(m): 8:02pm On Nov 05, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: I really don't want to go down this lane Everyone agrees that thou shall not murder but when it got to Christ the law was made to accommodate his death that it was to cleanse the people from their sin( claims made by a pharisee who is not worthy to lace even Christ boots) But somehow it became a norm for people to actually think they are free once they accept Christ It is written clearly in the Bible "the sin against the holy spirit cannot be forgiven" which means to own up to whatever you do and not expect christ to take away sins you committed when you have not even paid the price Paul has an example he put people in prison that was the same treatment given to him he paid for what he did even though he accepted Christ and spread the gospel Good evening 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by Kobojunkie: 8:53pm On Nov 05, 2020 |
King2019:God's Covenants are everlasting, so yes, to this day "Thou shalt not kill" remains a law to all mankind. That said, what law was made to "accomodate" the death of Jesus Christ? King2019:I am sorry what? :0 Are you certain you have ever read the biblical entries on Jesus Christ's commandment as far as the sin of blasphemy is concerned? ![]() How can the unforgivable sin, as defined by Jesus Christ Himself, be said to mean what you claim there? I mean the same Jesus Christ forgave the sins of many even while He was on earth, so how do you work that into the logic you have there about unforgivable sins? Here's another record of Jesus Christ speaking of the unforgivable sin according to His New Covenant law, a covenant different from the Old Covenant law in many ways than one. And on the cross, the same Jesus Christ forgave the sin of a thief who was crucified next to Him and even promised Him paradise to boot, so how does that work into the meaning you have carved there for the "unforgivable" sin? King2019: ![]() 1. How many people did the apostle John put in Prison for him to end up on the island of Patmos, a prisoner for the rest of his days? 2. How many people did Peter run kill for him to end up killed in the end? 3. How many people did Andrew run through with the spear for him to have supposedly been run through with the spear, according to historians? 4. How many people did Stephen stone to death for him to have ended up stoned for blasphemy by the Jews, according to the Old Covenant Laws? 5. How many people did James kill for him to end up murdered in Jerusalem? 6. How many people did John the Baptism behead, to end up beheaded by Herod as recorded? |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by King2019(m): 9:17pm On Nov 05, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: Whatever you choose to believe please go on Arguments is totally unnecessary we can go on and on I have read the Bible but you have not read the Grail Message Follow what you believe Thanks 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by Kobojunkie: 9:26pm On Nov 05, 2020 |
King2019:Wait for a second... that book is written in human language, by human hands and translated from one human language to another. So it is key to employ your basic human language comprehension skills when studying what is written. Another thing, context is king when you review any of what is written. |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by IMOHS(m): 6:52am On Nov 06, 2020 |
King2019:Mr King u don't have to bother yourself with some people,let Everyman walk his path, I hope u have not forgotten the admonition in the Bible that warns against casting pearls before swines, the Grail message is too precious to be bantered with. Let Everyman go his way and fight for his salvation, that is counts. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by Kobojunkie: 7:32am On Nov 06, 2020 |
IMOHS:There is no fight for Salvation. Didn't you know? All you have to do is believe and accept Jesus Christ and you are saved from the condemnation of sin which is death and the grave. Yes, believe in Jesus Christ and you win eternal life for your mind, body and soul. The real work comes afterwards when you need to determine where to spend your eternity. Either you do the works as stipulated by Jesus Christ or you can always refuse and spend eternity in Hell. Now here's the kicker. Those who do not believe in Him at all, simply perish in their graves. |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by King2019(m): 9:01am On Nov 06, 2020 |
IMOHS: I understand that thank you very much God bless |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by IMOHS(m): 1:03pm On Nov 06, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:the same mindset u have ,is the same mindset which every Muslim, Buddhist, and other religious practitioners have, that only their religion leads to salvation. But let me ask you, don't you think it will be injustice on the part of the Almighty Father to allow humans to be born into other religions where they are predisposed from childhood to be taught this other religions which according to you does not lead to 'salvation'. The same way you happen to find yourself in a Christian background, is the same way every other person found themselves in their various religions. In matt 7:21 Jesus said ' Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. The almighty father who I believe in is not a partial God, He is a God of Justice and love. So what is required to attain salvation is to do the will of the almighty father irrespective of whatever religion you belong to. Purity alone guarantees admittance into the kingdom of God. PEACE 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by Kobojunkie: 6:33pm On Nov 06, 2020 |
IMOHS:Oh, they do not have the same mindset since we mold our minds to the God we each worship. So the Muslim, and the Buddhist likely have different stories and mindsets as far as their deity is concerned. IMOHS:No, I don't think it is injustice. You could say I myself was born into a religion myself, but through it all, the questions kept mounting and rather than cast them aside, I made the decision to tell myself the truth, and I am glad I did that every single time, even when it meant facing rejection from others each and every time. IMOHS:There is no same way for me and everyone else. I didn't find myself in a "Christian background", and I certainly did find myself worshipping God the same way the majority out there did. Even now, I am still somewhat of a lone ranger on this journey of mine because I am not what you would call a Christian, even though I worship the Bible God. So don't assume to have us all figured out. IMOHS:If you had bothered to read the surrounding verses, you would also note that entering the Kingdom of Heaven is not a game of chance either. Jesus Christ did in fact state who would enter and who would not. That Jesus Christ stated that some will not, does not mean that He did not tell those who desire to, exactly what they must do to enter. IMOHS:What is required to attain Salvation is as stipulated by Jesus Christ Himself... the New Covenant/Agreement that God put in place for all men. According to Jesus Christ, all you need to be saved(Salvation) is to believe and accept Him. Once you do that, you are saved(Salvation) from the condemnations of sin that is death( return to dust from where you were made) and you are gifted with Eternal life. But wait, Salvation does not come with the guarantee of Heaven. No, it does not. So what next? Next is you decide where you will be spending that gift of eternity you have received. A good read through the gospel of John beginning from Chapter 3 - 6 will surely give you a good background on this. Now, according to the same Jesus Christ, those who do not obey Him cannot be Born again, and only those who are born of the Spirit, those who become like children even in their thinking, can enter into the Kingdom of God. Only those who submit to the lead of the Spirit of God and do the works - of righteousness - commanded of them will indeed enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. A good read through the gospel of Matthew will give you a good background on the Commandments of the New Covenant and the commands the works which all those who have plans for Heaven have to work on. |
Re: In The Light Of Truth: Man And His Freewill (conclusion). by IMOHS(m): 10:20pm On Nov 06, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:It is well bro! |
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