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Who Is God's Firstborn In Hebrews 12:23? by anioko1: 7:26pm On Nov 11, 2020
Paul wrote “To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,”

Who is God's firstborn son? Is there any significance to know about his firstborn son? Is Jesus his firstborn son? No

My view is understanding who God's firstborn son is critical for us to understand why Paul wrote what he wrote in Hebrews 12:23 and we will know more about the will of God and the patterns of God.

The more we know God's patterns the more we will unlearn some of the things we have learned and we can come to a unity in the knowledge as expected of us.

Do you agree with the identity of his firstborn son as written here https://antireligiousdogma./2020/11/10/understanding-gods-first-son/
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn In Hebrews 12:23? by NeoWanZaeed(m): 7:46pm On Nov 11, 2020
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Re: Who Is God's Firstborn In Hebrews 12:23? by Kobojunkiee: 7:59pm On Nov 11, 2020
anioko1:
Paul wrote “To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,”
Who is God's firstborn son? Is there any significance to know about his firstborn son? Is Jesus his firstborn son? No
My view is understanding who God's firstborn son is critical for us to understand why Paul wrote what he wrote in Hebrews 12:23 and we will know more about the will of God and the patterns of God.
The more we know God's patterns the more we will unlearn some of the things we have learned and we can come to a unity in the knowledge as expected of us.
Do you agree with the identity of his firstborn son as written here https://antireligiousdogma./2020/11/10/understanding-gods-first-son/


Hebrews 12 vs 18-24
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18. You have not come to a place that can be seen and touched, like the mountain the people of Israel saw, which was burning with fire and covered with darkness, gloom, and storms.
19. There is no sound of a trumpet or a voice speaking words like those they heard. When they heard the voice, they begged never to hear another word.
20. They did not want to hear the command: “If anything, even an animal, touches the mountain, it must be killed with stones.”[a]
21. What they saw was so terrible that Moses said, “I am shaking with fear.”[c]

[b] 22.
But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem.[d] You have come to a place where thousands of angels have gathered to celebrate.
23. You have come to the meeting of God’s firstborn[e] children. Their names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all people. And you have come to the spirits of good people who have been made perfect.
24. You have come to Jesus—the one who brought the new agreement from God to his people. You have come to the sprinkled blood[f] that tells us about better things than the blood of Abel.

The title "Children of God" is never really applied to the person of Jesus Christ in the gospels. He is called "Son of God" or "Son of Man" but never "child of God".

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Re: Who Is God's Firstborn In Hebrews 12:23? by anioko1: 8:51pm On Nov 11, 2020
Yes you are correct because the concept of being a Son of God/Son of Man in the Hebrew context meant nature/image and not limited to child father relationship as we know today.

In fact Son of God meant God in the flesh. Ezekiel was also called Son of Man which is image or nature of man.

These are things many don't know and without knowing them, they may not be able to connect the dots when reading the Bible.

This is why we need critical analysis to understand the Bible and the Bible wasn't written in English but was translated into English from Hebrew and Greek.
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn In Hebrews 12:23? by Janosky: 11:03pm On Nov 11, 2020
anioko1:
Yes you are correct because the concept of being a Son of God/Son of Man in the Hebrew context meant nature/image and not limited to child father relationship as we know today.

In fact Son of God meant God in the flesh. Ezekiel was also called Son of Man which is image or nature of man.

These are things many don't know and without knowing them, they may not be able to connect the dots when reading the Bible.

This is why we need critical analysis to understand the Bible and the Bible wasn't written in English but was translated into English from Hebrew and Greek.

@ the bolded, Man made FRAUD.

Where did the Hebrew or the Greek tell you that "son of God meant God in the flesh"?
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn In Hebrews 12:23? by Janosky: 11:08pm On Nov 11, 2020
Kobojunkiee:




The title "Children of God" is never really applied to the person of Jesus Christ in the gospels. He is called "Son of God" or "Son of Man" but never "child of God".
Who dey feed Una this JUNK ?
How can "Son" be plural ?

Children , plural.
Child /Son, singular.
Jesus Christ is how many persons ?
Receive SENSE

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Re: Who Is God's Firstborn In Hebrews 12:23? by anioko1: 12:02am On Nov 12, 2020
Janosky:


@ the bolded, Man made FRAUD.

Where did the Hebrew or the Greek tell you that "son of God meant God in the flesh"?


Do you have proof of fraud? I am actually reading Josephus who has been verified by other writers. Can you quote extra-biblical sources that are credible? I would actually love to read it. On a serious note.
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn In Hebrews 12:23? by anioko1: 12:11am On Nov 12, 2020
Janosky:

Who dey feed Una this JUNK ?
How can "Son" be plural ?

Children , plural.
Child /Son, singular.
Jesus Christ is how many persons ?
Receive SENSE

cheesy grin

Who is him in "A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation." https://biblehub.com/kjv/psalms/22.htm see the count of 14 Generations to Jesus https://www.gotquestions.org/14-generations.html

All these were to enable those people identify Jesus. However, the issue was about firstborn. Who is God's firstborn son?

Since this is a Biblical discussion, the answer is found written plainly in the Bible. Did I get you right or?

The scripture interprets itself, this is one of the principles of biblical interpretation
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn In Hebrews 12:23? by Kobojunkiee: 1:15am On Nov 12, 2020
anioko1:
Yes you are correct because the concept of being a Son of God/Son of Man in the Hebrew context meant nature/image and not limited to child father relationship as we know today.
In fact Son of God meant God in the flesh. Ezekiel was also called Son of Man which is image or nature of man.
These are things many don't know and without knowing them, they may not be able to connect the dots when reading the Bible.
This is why we need critical analysis to understand the Bible and the Bible wasn't written in English but was translated into English from Hebrew and Greek.
Hebrew, Greek, English, French... they are all human languages which evolve over time. What is required is at least basic language comprehension skills.
While I don't believe Paul was referring to Jesus Christ at all - it is through submission and obedience to Jesus Christ that we are given the right to become children of God- instead, I think he, Paul, was speaking of the first group of born again(Children of God) ever since a generation had not passed at the time between the death and ascension of Jesus Christ and the time of Paul's writing.
Re: Who Is God's Firstborn In Hebrews 12:23? by Janosky: 1:46am On Nov 12, 2020
anioko1:


Who is him in "A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation." https://biblehub.com/kjv/psalms/22.htm see the count of 14 Generations to Jesus https://www.gotquestions.org/14-generations.html

All these were to enable those people identify Jesus. However, the issue was about firstborn. Who is God's firstborn son?

Since this is a Biblical discussion, the answer is found written plainly in the Bible. Did I get you right or?

The scripture interprets itself, this is one of the principles of biblical interpretation



Psalms 22:22-30 is a reference to Yahweh, NOT Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is a seed from Yahweh
Does Yahweh have brethrens ?

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