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Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by usewisdom: 12:43am On May 26, 2011 |
@ lucabrasi, Yes yes yes, you got my poin now. This is exactly what I've been pointing out as: Irrespective of the parent's immigration status as long as the child/children are either british,irish or holds a passport of any of the EU countries living in the EU member state then the law applies to them |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by usewisdom: 12:50am On May 26, 2011 |
This is exactly what I've been saying. If the child does not have any European passport but born in the EU, the zambarano does not apply. But if the child does have any European passport while his/her parents is illegal, then the law applies, and the parent have right to live with the child. I think I'm absolute right ![]() |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by Busybody2(f): 7:43am On May 26, 2011 |
I responded to someone's comment, you barged in like a cow wey no get rope for neck calling me a liar, i ignored this and told you to stop acting like a plank (mind you i didn't call you one, was just advising you not to act like one), you responded calling me a fool, an olodo and a proffesional liar . . .so why is your hypocritical yansh now crying like "oku ti won gba asho lorun e", (a disrobed ghost) oni rada rada oshi, o ti dabi awon keke baje ko shey to, yen ![]() ![]() Lol @ him calling Justdunce on me, ha ha ha, dogedelu'na ati dadandidi, twedledum and tweedledee, I see your problem. . . in the land of the blind. . . ![]() Why is it always those who should only converse in English with a cloth covering their face - due to shame that their comprehension/listening/writing is wack - that is always trying to call other people's English out ![]() ![]() ![]() By the way, answer my first questions to you, then we can proceed, they are already in minute phrases or do you need me to number them so you can clearly comprehend ![]() ![]() Anyway, off to take my pikin to jeleosimi, would be back shortly, but if I am late because your ignorance/stupidity that's got me ROFLMAO since, na ayilala i go send after you ![]() @ Lucabrasi Did you see the arindin moves he just conjured up ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() inspired_m: I usually don't do this since I have retired, but because it is you, £14k pere, jale jale, last price ![]() Tell your friend not to raise his hopes too high though, because even if the Court grants him sole custody (they rarely grant Dads because Mums raises them better and usually allow Dad one visit a month on average), he should be prepared for the woman to run rings around him and frustrate him and not play ball just to use the child to get back at him, knowing he would have to go to Court everytime he needs her to comply ![]() I love UK Family Courts for being naturally skewed in favour of women thereby screwing men up, i tell ya ![]() UNSOLICITED ADVISE (THOUGH THIS ALONE IS WORTH £14K, I WILL DASH YOU FREE) - if the guy is sure his sperm's still sure, he should move on and go and sow his seed elsewhere, and if e nor sure for am, God giveth, God taketh, it is not a must to get married as not eneryone can due to men shortage, neither is it a must to have children, WHY IS HE WASTING HIS ENERGY ON JUST ONE CHILD ALONE ![]() ![]() |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by Busybody2(f): 7:51am On May 26, 2011 |
lucabrasi: THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, GOD BLESS YOU, MAY YOUR FOUNTAIN OF KNOWLEDGE NEVER RUN DRY, I have to marry you by hook or by crook, you are the only man I can leave my e-harem consisting of 67 men for, in the blink of an eye, just say the word, don't keep this lady waiting too long though ![]() ![]() lucabrasi: The OP posted just two links pere yet usewisdom could not understand this, you are now recommending further websites and books for him, you wan scatter hin brain and turn it to mush or jelly ![]() ![]() ![]() Ha ha, see the way he just did that u-turn ![]() |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by Busybody2(f): 7:59am On May 26, 2011 |
usewisdom: Sorry for bombarding your small brain with information that can never get through it in a million years, but why would the ECJ spend millions of money and manpower just to say citizens can stay with their parents ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by usewisdom: 10:55am On May 26, 2011 |
@ lucabrasi, you did not advice her now O! You did not say anything now O! All because she is a woman. If I start my own again, u will say something about it. @ busy_body, just be alert, I'm on my way cooking your food!!! So get ready your plate, your spoon and your useless worthless brain. Coming soonnnnnnnn!. STILL ON THE MATTER |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by Busybody2(f): 11:31am On May 26, 2011 |
usewisdom: Dem dey look for better meat for cooking pot, ponmo too dey show face, na ya type ![]() ![]() ![]() Please if you are not ready to answer the question I posed to you earlier, save your breath and stop disgracing yourself ![]() Why did the Independent press in Dublin carry the story, seen in OP's link, if it does not affect them ![]() Why were they even saying they have to go and bring back some of the parents who were deported ![]() Why were those people deported ![]() Why are they contemplating on bringing them back ![]() Empty barrels make the loudest noise like i said earlier, o bo lowo e ![]() ![]() ![]() @ Lucabrasi And please Lucabrasi, I know you have the patience and wherewithal to remain composed no matter the situation, i have seen it loads of time, its a gift incase you don't know, please break it down to him gently that he needs to stop getting egg on his face and go crawl somewhere to hide his face ![]() |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by usewisdom: 3:28pm On May 26, 2011 |
I'm still coocking your food. You just relax, but let me just give u a red-light. It's very simple and easy! Go and pack all your family from the village together with old ones, assign each of them to illegal immigrant and with their visit visa, let them give birth there and help them apply for European Citizen. Is that not what u claim ![]() |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by lucabrasi(m): 8:03pm On May 26, 2011 |
BUSY_BODY OYA E DON DO OR YOU WILL BE ON TIME OUT O ![]() MR USEWISDOM ITS ENOUGH, ITS 50/50 NOW GAME OVER , LETS CONTINUE WITH OUR IMMIGRATION DISCUSSION people are learning from the pair of you |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by usewisdom: 9:09pm On May 26, 2011 |
I rest my case. Thanks God bless. |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by Busybody2(f): 7:21pm On May 27, 2011 |
usewisdom: Olodo rabata, is that the back of your heels I am seeing ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() So better fa eti e and come back here nau nau before me and you enter one knicker today today ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by Busybody2(f): 7:44pm On May 27, 2011 |
inspired_m: I hate Family Law Courts, what happened to the love ehn that people now have to employ Attorneys and Barrister as a go-between because they can not be civil to one another and come to a non-acrimonous decision to separate amicably ![]() ![]() ![]() Right, seriously; How old is the child? Where are the Dad and Mum currently based? Does Dad have parental responsibility i.e. is Dad's name on the birth certificate? ( ![]() Where do they plan to live with the child? Are they separated or divorced? Has either of them remarried? The best interest of the child is the most paramount here, so why does Dad feel he is the best to offer this? Is there any mitigating circumstances he can rely on or is he just being bitter and twisted? Have they considered counselling or mediation to reach an informal decision? Are they both mentally prepared that such highly contested case is gonna likely resolve in one party having to go without, since Dad has expressed he wants sole custody? Drop the answers when you can, or send it to my inbox if you wanna keep things private, a lil summary of the whole imbrogglio too would not go amiss. Busy weekend this week, so might not have time to respond soon ![]() |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by usewisdom: 8:09pm On May 27, 2011 |
MNa u sabi. I no get time for u, I get tram to meet up. Yeye fellow ! |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by lucabrasi(m): 8:29pm On May 27, 2011 |
@inspired m tell your friend to find some tricks to draw the woman and child back to nigeria then let the full might of the nigeria family law descend upon her lol its a shame but in the order of hierachy in this country 1.the woman is the boss and top honcho 2.the children is next in the pecking order 3.the dog or cat is next in order of seniority 4.the husband is the last also tell your friend to check out these father's rights sites,there are many but fathers for justice are one of the most popular http://www.fathers-4-justice.org/ usewisdom:tram in uk? |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by Busybody2(f): 9:53pm On May 27, 2011 |
usewisdom: You don overplay your hand, you mean, Olodo upon 30 ![]() lucabrasi: I know Hell has no fury as a woman scorned, but those groups are just crazy attention seekers o jare, always looking for a way to screw the woman over. I love UK for their sound women's right, God bless Great Britain ![]() lucabrasi: Yeah he is now free to use the tram in Dublin as it is nighttime, usually he has to ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by usewisdom: 10:55pm On May 27, 2011 |
Wahala tie ma de niyen O! |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by Busybody2(f): 11:07pm On May 27, 2011 |
usewisdom: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Oya if you nor wan answer me, answer inspired's post na, abi you nor see say he don address am to you ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() On second thoughts, Inspired better take his query to the family section so the likes of Sagamite, Harakiri, Pro01 and the rest of those dudes batting for the other side but just don't know it yet can support his friend in his mission ![]() |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by lucabrasi(m): 3:13pm On May 31, 2011 |
Busy_body:iros o @bolded my own is that both the man and the woman should be given equal rights on the child if you check the ECJ zambrano case we are talkn about sef it makes the right of the child paramount so how is the childs right protected if mummy wants to punish daddy for the break up by blocking him from seeing the child? besides i though we are in the era of equality so who says the woman has exclusive monopoly on childcare skills? anything a woman can do a man can do as equally even better have you not seen the man that gave birth in america,he is even planning the second pregnancy or house husband,or male nanny oya defend those ones mr use wisdom i need support o ![]() |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by Busybody2(f): 11:28pm On Jun 05, 2011 |
lucabrasi: Equal right ko. My advise here would be for the woman to frustrate the man to steal the child ![]() If he still wants access or custody, he would have to go to Court, but he would not be able to take the child out of the Country again, meaning unless he is ready to start living permanently in the UK, he would have no choice than to surrender the child back to Mum solely, which the Court could use to deem him unserious in the first place. Saying this though, the law can swing both ways and it might be the Dad that gets custody under the Hague Convention if he was the one who has been raising the child and Mum thief the pickin, this means Mum would have to relocate to Naija at the expense of Dad, and Dad would be legally responsible for Mum's upkeep and child maintenance. Kinda like a win win situation for Mum, nice one ![]() ![]() ![]() lucabrasi: We are talking Nigerian man here, wetin consain a typical self-absorbed, vain, feckless, philandering naija man and i speak for 97% of all Nigerian men here with pickin. I believe the dude is only after the child to punish the Mum or wants to use the child for money ritual ![]() ![]() ![]() The man that gave birth in Dublin usewisdom was an exception to the rule i.e. an ebora ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by lucabrasi(m): 7:40pm On Jun 06, 2011 |
Busy_body:en hen so you r saying there are no wicked mothers abi?besides the fact that they are using lenght of time to make such a determinant means there is already inequality before the law o after you gys will be touting your ISMS and talking about glass ceiling Busy_body:ok wait,as a woman if the child would have a better and more stable life with the dad in nigeria living in luxury while mum is nt stable financially or even psychologically in uk where would you rather the child be? look at the boy that was used for ritual,or that climbie girl that was torturedto death remember the girl that was kidnapped by her mum near me in liverpool or the yeye american woman that murdered 3 children in cold blood because of custody Busy_body:olopa ewon tepe ![]() ![]() i remember one time during undergrad in uni when we were in seminar,the lecturer asked us what we thought of women's liberation,you know oyinbo girls they v quicklyjumped up and started defending,the mumu guys there same thing,the only comment i made was that if women wanted equality then they shouldnt expect men to pull ut the chair for them to sit,or pull the door open n stuffs you need to see the way the lecturer burst out laughing the girls cheeks turn red straight lol Busy_body:lol you don chase mr usewisdom comot for nairaland o ![]() |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by usewisdom: 10:52pm On Jun 06, 2011 |
Any man wey get ur time don enter hole. Wait 4me till another 6month u see me here. Epele O Madam home office/minister. |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by martinosi: 1:47pm On Jun 09, 2011 |
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Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by Busybody2(f): 12:00am On Jul 13, 2011 |
For "your" need to know/for future reference ![]() ![]() .: |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by Busybody2(f): 12:59am On Jul 13, 2011 |
usewisdom: Wetin 6 months take do for matter, oh i geddit, eh ehn, you see, and when I was confirming to Lucabrasi that you were the pregnant man in Dublin, he didn't believe my innocent self and actually thought I was abusing you ![]() Pele, how body, not long to go before you born belle innit, make sure you are taking your folic acid oh and eat ginger to relieve your morning sickness my dear, wa bi were oh, asokale anfani o, a gbo ohun baba a gbo ti omo oh ![]() |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by fabienjoe: 12:45am On Aug 23, 2011 |
@sandysuzie, I don't think yours is a ban. You can't be practically banned of course with your husband and children being British. Accessing free NHS treatment while not even being a UK resident is bad for your case. However, the bigger problem is the fact that your husband is not living in the UK. Before you will be admitted back to the UK, there has to be assurances that you will not access public funds as you are not entitled to benefit until you have been resident for 3 years. That assurance will only be obtained by your husband living in the UK and producing bank statements or payslips proving availability of funds for your upkeep. If you are refused, the courts will override it. You have a riht to family life but at the expense of the British taxpayer. I'm not very positive about any application you make while all of you are residing in Nigeria. Your husband may provide statements in Nigeria claiming availablity of funds to look after all of you in the UK but it weakens the claim of right to family life, since he won't be living with you. It may not have mattered ordinarily because you will be looking after British citizens (your kids) anyway but it has assumed a huge significance given your history. I must add however that this is not a professional advice; I'm not a lawyer. Just writing out of my experience in immigration matters. |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by fabienjoe: 12:56am On Aug 23, 2011 |
Pardon me, I meant to say you have a right to family life but not at the expense of the British taxpayer. At least not before you qualify for benefit. |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by aquariver1: 10:26pm On Oct 04, 2011 |
i want to find out if the Zambrano law will give me the right to work in the UK. I have been grated leave to remain in the UK under the CHEN ruling as the parent of an EU child. My child has an EU passport and on that basis i was given the right to reside but not the right to work so can you tell me if this new law can vary my leave to remain so i can work Thank you> |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by fabienjoe: 11:08pm On Oct 04, 2011 |
Tough one, this! You obviously do not have an EU passport so no automatic right to work in the UK. It would've been more straight-forward if you are married to your son's EU citizen mother, or go and marry her now if possible. That will fast-track your own EU passport. But if you can't you can go to court and demand right to work in the EU (which includes UK)since the basis of your leave to remain is to look after your son who is an EU citizen. The fact that you are the custodian of the child makes your case strong. |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by juzme: 11:30pm On Oct 04, 2011 |
aquariver1: Unfortunately the answer to your question is No. Under zambrano you are entitle to work only in the home country of your child. And under Chen ruling, you are not allowed to work since your residency was granted on the basis of self sufficient. |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by dalebutt1: 11:45am On Oct 05, 2011 |
@ Juzme , It could well be successfully argued at the tribunal and if the judges arent sure it could be referred to the ECJ, if you were given permission to reside in that you should look after and EU citizen, how would you take care of financial responsibility if you wont get to work and support your EU citizen child. I am not saying its a legitimate right or not, so far my understanding of the TFEU and Directive 2004/38/EC I have not seen where its been promised in the Directives but the ECJ and the advocate general would take a cautious look at this as they have a good knowledge and have a better interpretation of the treaties. if it ever gets to the ECJ maybe 60% chance who knows. I would advice you seek legal advise from a lawyer who knows EU law in depth not some shallow minded ones whose aim are just money money |
Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union by jules123(m): 11:50am On Sep 29, 2018 |
Thanks for this post. Please, I need your advice on this issue. I have a Nigeria woman with two kids born in Ireland, both children have there Ireland citizenship passport and the mother had a stay but had expired due to her overstay here in Nigeria with the children. The children citizenship passport were just renewed, but the mother doesn’t know how to go about her own, since she is bent on traveling back to Ireland with the kids and the stay given to her while in Ireland had expired here in Nigeria. Please, your advice will be highly appreciated. Thanks. |
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