gregyboy:

gomojam:
Have you now seen what we've been pointing out? The impostor is trying to sow a seed of discord among us. I have always wondered why they like choosing Ijebu for such agenda. What's your opinion.

tollyboy5:

Lol this is why true ijebu will always be ijebu. I've seen the very difference from us and the rest of the Yoruba race. Our achievement and way of life.

I don't need you to tell me more about myself. You may be vast in what you know but you can't tell me who I am.
I know your type of people. You won't hesitate to bend history if it don't favor you.
I just said some serious issues and you're here talking joke.
Its just like the way some yeye people call me ipob because of I don't support tinubu. These set of people are delusional thinking they're are fighting for the Yoruba cause.
In real life many ijebu will be quick to let you know that their ijebus.
Immediately people will start tagging them ijebu man. Its common for Yorubas to tagged ijebus with negative stuff.
I use to avoid making myself known as ijebu in the past and prefer someone calling me omo-epe
Not until I noticed we've been the most influential Yoruba ethnic group in present day Nigeria.
Many ijebus only know their history as yorubas thanks to the awujale and other ijebus that decide to dig deep to know our history. I will let you and your remaining historian that decide to turn blind eye to facts continue with your agenda.
If you like call me whatever you like.
That doesn't change the fact that I'm from awujale lineage.
You people should be compiling history and add little lies to it . we will do our own research and publish our own findings.
Ijebu history is already in the internet for you to see.
I remember my sister told me they thought her in lasu in history and international relation dept that epe people were descendant of aworis.
Since then I knew historians can't know more than the natives in actual sense.

My family history is told by word but more accurate than what some historians might want to compile.
End of thread!

tollyboy5:

Yeah I saw that also. The most reasonable one to me. Is the Sudan migration legend. I believe we came father from sudan.
Until I finally establish who the jebus of ancient Jerusalem was then I'll know what to believe.
Only Palestine claim descendant of jebus.
Palestine should be Philistine and ijebu the jebus. Some legend say Edo might be Edomite of old but I'm not from Edo make I face my business

TAO11:
To give a quick background on the historical connection between Lagos and Benin:

Except among historians, what the average person [Yoruba or non-Yoruba] knows about the Benin-Lagos relationship is that an Edo/Bini prince is the progenitor of present-day Lagos [Lagos Island] kings.

This narrative has become so popular and widespread that it has become accepted even by many Yorubas as if it is the historical reality.

What is actually very shocking to find, however, is that historians have named this particular narrative as: the Benin account.

But why did historians give it such a name? Isn’t this narrative the correct and factual historical position?

Well, historians have so named this narrative because, unlike the general public, they (the historians) are aware of the fact that this narrative is simply one narrative which had actually originally emerged from the Binis.

In other words, there is another narrative which is known unfortunately (almost) only by historians, and which differs from the Benin’s narrative in very important respects.

This other narrative is known by historians as: the Lagos account. Yes, it is unfortunately not as widespread as the Benin account.

The Benin account became so popular that it has found acceptance by non-experts or non-historians who are completely oblivious of the fact that there is something as a Lagos account.

In fact, its popularity [courtesy of the successes of the writings of Chief Egharevba] has made the Benin account find its way even into local family stories — especially as the lay person is oblivious to the Lagos account.

Yes, I can imagine what you may be thinking: That perhaps the Lagos account is a latter-day account which simply came up in reaction to the Benin account.

Guess what! The reverse is actually the case.

The Benin account [which claims, among other things, that the Binis settled in Lagos via a military conquest; and that the present-day monarchy of Lagos Island was begun by an Edo/Bini prince] first surfaced from Benin in a publication of Chief Egharevba in the year 1953.

On the other hand, the Lagos account have long been published by Rev J. B. Wood in 1878; by Rev. J. B. Losi in 1914; and also by the then Governor of Nigeria, Sir Alan Burns in 1929.

[The attachment below shows a relevant page from Sir Alan Burns’ publication, viz. “History of Nigeria”, 1929].

In other words, decades before the Benin account ever surfaced for the first time, the Lagos account had already been published.

It thus becomes clear, at this point, which account was in fact a reaction to the other.

The Lagos account states clearly that although the Binis desired to settle in Lagos [like many other groups], the Binis continued to attempt it the wrong way until they finally got the message.

They had been attempting for some time to settle in via force so as to take control of the booming European coastal trade, etc.

They were, however, so repelled by the Aworis that they eventually got the memo and then resorted to seek permission to settle in peacefully just like others were doing.

The Binis were thus granted permission to settle on Lagos island and occupy a designated area — the permission was granted by the Awori islanders whose king (who controlled the Iddo island and Lagos island, et al.) was the then Olofin of Iddo.

Moreover, the Lagos accounts also states clearly that the progenitor of the present ruling dynasty of Lagos Island is a Yoruba man by the name Ashipa.

Ashipa (according to the Lagos account) is an Awori man and one of the Isheri chiefs of Ife royal descent — he is a member of the Olofin of Isheri’s family.

Ashipa is said in the Lagos account to have initiated a patron-protegé pact with the powerful king of Benin thus gaining his support during the succession tussle (among the eligible Awori princes) on the island, after the demise of the Olofin of Iddo.

It was as a result of this patron-protege pact with the Benin king that Ashipa emerged as the people’s favorite prince [not without the support of both his people and the immigrant groups].

As a result of this success, the Benin king and people earned Ashipa’s unwavering loyality — hence his remittances to the King of Benin which then continued into a custom among other customs consequent to the success of the pact.

The attached screenshot below shows the Lagos account as contained in page 35 of Sir Alan Burns’ “History of Nigeria”, 1929.

Now that you know better @tollyboy5, please do not join them in popularizing Egharevba’s propaganda which was simply a reaction to this much earlier account.

In sum, the Benin account which claims that Ashipa [spelt as “Esikpa” by Egharevba] is a Bini man, and that the Binis settled on the island via military conquest is in fact the latter-day account which as has been shown is in stark conflict with what the Lagos account had stated decades earlier in clear and unequivocal terms.

Cheers!
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davidnazee:


It's only a Yoruba that will write this rubbish..
Edo didn't migrate from anywhere.. We have been on the same soil from the beginning of time..

davidnazee:


dumb dumb you have started again with all these your long and stupid essays..
The Benin account you claimed was told or written by historians from which century and which century was the Lagos account written?
Yorubas have been trying since 1930s to change thousand years history..

valirex:


Lol you sef notice am, very senseless epistle just to paint lies into truth

Etinosa1234:
So Tao11 don marry sef

gomojam:
Have you now seen what we've been pointing out? The impostor is trying to sow a seed of discord among us. I have always wondered why they like choosing Ijebu for such agenda. What's your opinion.

TAO11:
Probably because they think there aren’t so many people of Ijebu heritage around — thus causing them to conclude that they will get a free pass with such lies.

Some of their weirdest ignorance is that when the word “Ijebu” is mentioned they simply think “Ijebu-Ode”.

Another ignorance from them is that the same ignoramuses always contend that Awolowo elevated Ife, Oduduwa, et. al. above all else recently.

And I’d be like: If you must lie, can you at least name an Ife indigene. Awolowo is an Ijebu man — the wrongest example for their propaganda.

gomojam:
I wish I knew you in person!

May your brain stay intact!

gomojam:
Wetin happen? So u dey eye her b4

TAO11:
More readings of excerpts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz71KS2dZpA&t=82s

Barbilius:
is there a free pdf version of this book?

gomojam:
I wish I knew you in person!

May your brain stay intact!

davidnazee:


hahahahahahahahaha!!!
this your prayer is like telling a short man; "may your height stay intact"..
you Yorubas funny die..

Balogunodua:

Trolling her won't change anything from the damage she did to you and your Edo miscreants....

tollyboy5:

Instead of people to go after fact people are going after self exaltation and supremacy battle. Distorting history.
Both yorubas and benin are guilty of this. I see some recent claim of lordship by Benin with no concrete evidence. Though I won't disagree they controlled the old Lagos but expanding their territory to other part is what I won't accept.
Now the aspect of Yoruba historians trying to force everyone to ife origin is what I won't buy also. I read some history on Egyptian conquest and Arabian invasion. I'll be coming from that angle when I start doing my research.
Till then b4 ill create new thread

gregyboy:



Good, so u believe every yoruba coming from is a lie too

Nice one

tollyboy5:

Instead of people to go after fact people are going after self exaltation and supremacy battle. Distorting history.
Both yorubas and benin are guilty of this. I see some recent claim of lordship by Benin with no concrete evidence. Though I won't disagree they controlled the old Lagos but expanding their territory to other part is what I won't accept.
Now the aspect of Yoruba historians trying to force everyone to ife origin is what I won't buy also. I read some history on Egyptian conquest and Arabian invasion. I'll be coming from that angle when I start doing my research.
Till then b4 ill create new thread

tollyboy5:

The Benin are also liars , when they started expanding the Benin empire to where it did not reach. Calling oduduwa a banish prince

Nobody is ready to use their sense. I'll do my own findings

Balogunodua:


Nobody is forcing Ile-Ife origin on anyone..and not all Yorubas are from Ife but Ife unites us and I don't see any Yoruba complaining.. me myself an Okun guy don't see anything wrong with it.

And as for the Benin boys they should provide evidence that the word Oba is of Benin origin and it meaning with prove just like TOA did..

gregyboy:



You heard my brother saying the bini conquest to epe didnt happen

And calling oduduwa a banish prince that infact is a big lie from benin, benin and ife came to have connection during the late 1800,the Oduduwa fairytales never happened but mads up

tollyboy5:

You just aired my view. Ife unite us and we are one Yoruba. But tao chose the part of we all coming from ife.
I've read some Yoruba history in the past. Those history where mostly about Oyo empire. So I don't really accept history touching ijebu while capitalizing on Oyo .
I'll watch the videos she shared on this thread later. I'm not after Benin vs Yoruba supremacy struggle here. I'm after the migration from middle east. I looking for a better history covering roman conquest and Arabian conquest forcing people out of their land.

Balogunodua:

When did she claim the entire ijebu are from Ife?

Balogunodua:

When did she claim the entire ijebu are from Ife?